[02:01] <ScottK> BarkingFish: Different meeting.  This was a kubuntu-dev meeting.  The one you're after is ubuntu-qa
[02:02] <BarkingFish> ah, ok :)
[02:02] <BarkingFish> I saw it advertised in the topic and thought it was the one I was meant to be at :)
[11:12] <debfx> fregl: qt-creator fails to build with the qt 4.8 a11y changes. it can't find qdeclarativeitemchangelistener_p.h.
[11:12] <debfx> fregl: I think this patch should fix it: http://paste.kde.org/187736/
[11:13] <debfx> danimo: qt-creator still crashes with qt 4.8 :(
[11:14] <davmor2> Riddell: is there a reason why the qt/telepathy client isn't listed under clients on the telepathy site?
[11:19] <Riddell> davmor2: I don't know there's such a client as qt/telepathy and I don't maintain the telepathy site
[11:27] <Riddell> "/usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Memory exhausted" damn that's not good for qtwebkit on armhf
[11:28] <davmor2> Riddell: my bag KDE telepathy
[11:29] <davmor2> http://blogs.fsfe.org/drdanz/?p=632
[11:33] <Riddell> davmor2: well you're have to ask whoever maintains the telepathy site, the site could be badly maintained or it could be that kde telepathy has not had a stable release
[11:49] <danimo> debfx: same backtrace?
[11:50] <danimo> debfx: btw: we are about to document all there is to know about Qt creator packaging: http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_Creator/Building_Release_Packages
[11:53] <debfx> danimo: basically the same backtrace, yes
[11:58] <danimo> debfx: which Creator version?
[13:04] <debfx> danimo: 2.4.0
[13:23] <danimo> debfx: did you try building a stock Creator on a stock Qt?
[13:24] <Riddell> hmm calligra has main inclusion issues as well as ARM issues, never quick answers!
[13:25] <shadeslayer> So I have kdevelop documentation in list missing .. should I leave it or do I install with kdevelop-data ?
[13:31] <debfx> danimo: nope
[13:33] <danimo> debfx: please do
[13:37] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm afraid I don't have enough bandwidth to test 4.7.4 in -proposed until next week but it's on my todo list
[13:37] <debfx> danimo: will do tomorrow
[13:42] <shadeslayer> KDevelop up as well : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages
[13:42] <shadeslayer> I've left out the docs for now ....
[13:46] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Hopefully others will.
[13:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh cool
[13:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: not sure, but did we include kdevelop docs in our previous uploads?
[13:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't know, is it a separate tar?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> Nope, there are a bunch of docs that were not installed
[13:53] <shadeslayer> there is a new tar though, ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/kdevelop/4.2.81/src/kdevelop-custom-buildsystem-1.2.1.tar.bz2
[13:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh then you should work out if they are new or if there was a reason we didn't package tham
[13:54] <Riddell> and decide if they should go in the same binary package or a new one
[13:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you know what that new tar is?
[13:54] <shadeslayer> noepe
[13:54] <shadeslayer> *nope
[13:54] <shadeslayer> saw it about 20 minutes ago
[13:55] <shadeslayer> http://bugs.kde.org/279943
[13:55] <shadeslayer> New documentation, do I put it in a package of its own or put it in kdevelop-data?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://plus.google.com/photos/115138410189586016392/albums/5698600430175629041?authkey=CJvvqMv40YnSvAE :D
[14:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ooh your shiny book?
[14:03] <shadeslayer> Yus
[14:04] <Riddell> what are the chances of getting copies to fosdem feb 5th?
[14:04] <shadeslayer> We're going to launch it on 25th :D
[14:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: You can order them online now
[14:04] <Riddell> hmm but if I want a bunch to sell on the stall?
[14:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/kde-guide/18173477?productTrackingContext=search_results/search_shelf/center/1
[14:04] <Riddell> or give away?
[14:04] <shadeslayer> We only got 4 copies
[14:05] <shadeslayer> Or 3 I think
[14:05] <Riddell> "Only ships from North America" well counts out getting any to kde e.v. alas
[14:06] <shadeslayer> Get someone who is coming to FOSSDEM form the US to get them?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> I've got to go, will be back in an hour and a half or so
[14:06] <shadeslayer> cya
[14:13] <Riddell> fosdem isn't a transatlantic thing, nobody comes from the US really
[14:14] <Riddell> do lulu really only do the US?  lydia is going to use them as well I think but that's a shame to have books we can't get 
[14:16] <schnelle> huh... I found one more task manager bug. I can reproduce it on oneiric and on precise
[14:16] <schnelle> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfWe_CW0q8
[14:16] <schnelle> can anyone confirm this?
[14:31] <Riddell> I have no bandwidth for video alas
[14:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: should I look at kdevelop today or do you want to do docs/that new tar first?
[15:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I think they ship overseas, might cost Import duty or such
[15:17] <shadeslayer> I'll ask Adam
[15:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: as for KDevelop, I want to finish off the docs as well, the docs are just converted from userbase , so the question is, what's the benefit of having a handbook installed
[15:18] <shadeslayer> One can just export the docs from userbase in the form of a handbook
[15:19] <Riddell> well one could say that about all handbooks
[15:19] <Riddell> they're presumably only for people without internet
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Then how does one install kdevelop without internet ;)
[15:20] <Riddell> DVD is an option
[15:20] <Riddell> if they're large use a separate binary package, else in the existing one
[15:24] <shadeslayer> got it
[15:27] <shadeslayer> 7.6 Megs ... not alot, I'll just put it in the data package
[15:28] <Riddell> if it was for something on the CD that would certainly be considered a lot
[15:28] <Riddell> we might want to look if there are other handbooks can be moved off the CD
[15:28] <shadeslayer> rekonq has a handbook iirc
[15:28] <Riddell> but if you think it's find for someone on an indian connection to download then go for it :)
[15:29] <Riddell> 36M     /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/
[15:29] <shadeslayer> Uh, yeah, for someone installing KDevelop to contribute to KDE, it most certainly is not alot
[15:29] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:29] <Riddell> but dunno what I've installed on top of hte CD for that or what it compresses to on the CD
[15:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: good point :)
[15:30] <shadeslayer> rekonq docbook is 1.5 Megs
[15:30] <Riddell> ah but compressed figure is what we want
[15:30] <Riddell> and I don't think we're oversized worse than ubuntu desktop right now so not a top priority
[15:30] <shadeslayer> agreed
[15:31] <shadeslayer> 699M    /usr/share/doc/
[15:31] <shadeslayer> @_@
[15:31] <Riddell> that's all packages and people have looked at the before so much of it is symlinks now
[15:32] <Riddell> I expect docs compress a lot too
[15:32] <shadeslayer> 68M     /usr/share/doc/kde/ are KDE Docs
[15:32] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:32] <shadeslayer> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/fr/kubuntu/communication ... now why do I have french docs installed :P
[15:32] <Riddell> and you can't remove it entirely it contains essential things like licences and I expect more that is useful
[15:33] <Riddell> kubuntu-docs has all languages
[15:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: KDevelop with docs uploaded to https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages
[15:36] <Riddell> (which you could argue should also be split up)
[15:37] <shadeslayer> Yeah, but then again like you said, they're probably compressed alot, so won't make much of a difference
[15:56] <ScottK> After the next dbus-python upload gets out of binary New we ought to get some space back on the CD.  It was pulling in python-gobject which in turn pulled in a large stack of stuff.
[16:34] <Riddell> thanks for looking into that ScottK 
[16:34] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[16:37] <shadeslayer> KDevelop PHP seems to be broken
[16:37] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/187880/
[16:47] <shadeslayer> Apparently there's a new release of KDevelop pg Qt ...
[16:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ah well discoverred
[16:50] <shadeslayer> +               if (ch & 0x80)
[16:50] <shadeslayer> O_O
[16:51] <Riddell> ?
[16:51] <shadeslayer> who writes chars in hex
[16:53] <yofel> why not? ^^
[16:53] <shadeslayer> but ... why is it required to write chars in hex?
[16:53] <shadeslayer> I mean, isn't that the job of the compiler/assembler
[16:54]  * ScottK grumbles about the lazy youth of today.
[16:54] <KRF> shadeslayer: because binary format is even less readable
[16:55] <shadeslayer> haha
[16:55] <shadeslayer> ScottK: it's more about convention than laziness ... I've written in Assembly, it's just not the convention these days
[16:56] <shadeslayer> I mean, isn't that why compilers/assemblers were written
[16:58] <shadeslayer> No more crappy closed source javah in archives \o/
[16:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's that?
[16:59] <shadeslayer> "Java packages in Partner archive to be removed on 2012-02-16 "
[17:00] <shadeslayer> The announcement was made quite some while ago to remove those packages, they're removing them today
[17:00] <Riddell> ah Oracle fallout
[17:00] <micahg> shadeslayer: only because we can't update it, and they're being removed next month
[17:00] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:01] <shadeslayer> darn, I read that as 2012-0116
[17:01] <shadeslayer> micahg: Heh, omgubuntu had a really flamebait title for the announcement
[17:02] <micahg> did they do another one?
[17:02] <shadeslayer> nope, just the one
[17:02] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Unfortunately those java packages are still the only ones that work with some things.
[17:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yeah, but maybe this will push people who wrote those things to make them work with the openjdk libs
[17:03] <Riddell> hmm only if they care about ubuntu users
[17:04] <ScottK> My wife recently took an online course and they had some proprietary online/video tool she had to use.  The only way I got it working involved those java packages and the use of alien on the .rpms they provided.  It was not fun.
[17:04] <ScottK> (Interestingly enough the proprietary client also had an embedded copy of Qt 4.6.5)
[17:04] <Riddell> java and qt in the same programme?  weird
[17:04] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Yeah, I find Qt in quite alot of games now a days, like Crysis had Qt for networking and stuff
[17:05] <Riddell> it's taking over the world!
[17:05] <Riddell> we just have to hope nokia can make a decent business model of it :)
[17:05] <ScottK> Don't worry, Elops will screw it up.
[17:05] <shadeslayer> ^^
[17:05] <shadeslayer> Read the news that they sold 450 Patents?
[17:06] <Riddell> ach they have plans but they're not saying and nothing is certain
[17:06] <shadeslayer> Mostly on GSM tech ... they earned loads of royalty on those, but then went ahead and sold them for a lump sum to a patent troll
[17:06] <shadeslayer> kdev-pg-qt is up as well now
[17:08] <Riddell> request for cmake for those looking for things to package http://paste.kde.org/187898/
[17:08] <Riddell> name rings a bell he's probably important
[17:08] <yofel> shadeslayer: moment: openjdk-6 works with most things these days, it's mostly icedtea that fails
[17:09] <shadeslayer> icedtea is the java plugin for FF right?
[17:09] <yofel> the web plugin, right
[17:13] <shadeslayer> IIRC my GSM/CDMA/IP Networks lectures are served by Ericsson use a Java client as well
[17:22] <shadeslayer> aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[17:22] <shadeslayer> "Start in 10 hours"
[17:26] <shadeslayer> sigh, afiestas has still to send me his bluetooth app
[17:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: looking at cmake, although I doubt I'll be able to do much since it's something I've ever touched
[17:43] <shadeslayer> bah, tests failed
[17:45] <fregl> debfx: the patch looks harmless to me, might be that I messed up the merge somewhere
[18:08] <cnd> ScottK, Riddell: upstream xi refresh merge proposal: https://code.launchpad.net/~chasedouglas/kubuntu-packaging/qt-upstream-xi/+merge/88912
[18:23] <shadeslayer> this is weird, When building cmake via the pbuilder, it fails, but when I restart the build from within the shell, without any modifications, it builds fine
[18:24] <yofel> try building without parallal?
[18:24] <yofel> *parallel
[18:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: one of the tests times out, and I've added a patch to increase the time out period
[18:25] <yofel> ah
[18:26] <shadeslayer> Should I just upload to a PPA to see what happens?
[18:31] <yofel> try it, I've had cases like that in the past too
[18:32] <shadeslayer> Uploading to ninjas to see what happens
[18:47] <ScottK> cnd: I'm not technically competent to give it a correct reivew.  I'd ask fabo.
[18:47] <cnd> ok, fabo: can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~chasedouglas/kubuntu-packaging/qt-upstream-xi ?
[18:47] <cnd> tbh, not much has changed since the previous patch
[18:48] <cnd> I'd be happy to have a chat to run through the changes with whoever feels comfortable doing so
[19:13] <Riddell> cnd: what sort of review does it need?
[19:13] <cnd> Riddell, whatever review is needed to get it in the package :)
[19:13] <Riddell> calligra main only happy, now need to wait for arm to finish to know if it is arm happy
[19:13] <cnd> Riddell, it works on my machines
[19:14] <Riddell> cnd: normally I'd love to look over the code but I think my brain might not be up to it just now, I can build the package and check for binary incompatibility
[19:14] <cnd> Riddell, if that's all you need to approve and merge, then that's fine with me :)
[19:15] <cnd> I just don't have commit rights for kubuntu-packagers
[19:15] <Riddell> having you testing it on hardware is a good check too, I assume you've done that
[19:15] <cnd> oh wait, I'm an indirect member of the team because I'm a core-dev
[19:15] <cnd> Riddell, I've tested it on armel and amd64
[19:15] <shadeslayer> yay, CMake built
[19:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Is your Umbrello GSoC contributor still active?  It would be very nice if Umbrello would support sysml (see http://www.sysml.org/) so I can get out of the twisty, turny java/gtk2 maze I'm currently stuck in.
[19:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can  you upload cmake from ninjas?
[19:16] <cnd> Riddell, I guess I should ask if I need to have it reviewed, since I can merge it directly into the packaging branch myself?
[19:17] <Riddell> cnd: then go for it if you want, just check for binary compatibility
[19:17] <cnd> Riddell, here's what I propose:
[19:17] <Riddell> ScottK: sadly not although there's been a bit of activity on it recently so a wishlist bug might we worth the effort
[19:17] <cnd> 1. merge the change
[19:17] <cnd> 2. debcommit -r && dch -r
[19:17] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  I'll file it.
[19:17] <cnd> 3. upload to ppa:canonical-x/x-staging
[19:17] <cnd> is that ok?
[19:18] <Riddell> cnd: that's good yes
[19:18] <cnd> alright
[19:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: as in you already packaged it and tested it and it's all good so I should check and upload it?
[19:18] <cnd> we should have some binaries built in the next day or so
[19:18] <shadeslayer> Uhh ... did not test, one sec
[19:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: see if you can compile a kde app with it
[19:19] <shadeslayer> Yep
[19:19] <shadeslayer> Will do, one sec
[19:23] <ScottK> Riddell: Done.  KDE Bug 291803.
[19:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: everything seems to be fine
[19:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: cool, I'll look if over in a bit and upload
[19:37] <shadeslayer> sure
[19:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: or just apply for kubuntu-dev and do it :)
[19:38] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[19:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Will apply after the 25th
[19:38] <shadeslayer> last exam on 25th ... so gives me more time to work on my application 
[19:39] <Riddell> 25th?  you're planning a big burns night and want to wait until after that?  I didn't know you'd taken to these scottish traditions so enthusiastically
[19:39] <shadeslayer> hahah :D
[19:39] <Riddell> oh exams, no haggis there then
[19:39] <shadeslayer> sadly no :(
[19:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Since I'm a vegetarian, no haggis, ever
[19:41] <Riddell> oh you get vegetarian haggis
[19:41] <Riddell> it means they only feed grass to the haggises and no cows
[19:41] <shadeslayer> "Since the 1960s various Scottish shops and manufacturers have created vegetarian haggis for those who do not eat meat. These substitute various pulses and vegetables for the meat in the dish."
[19:41] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:42] <shadeslayer> Wikipedia says otherwise, but then wikipedia wouldn't know more than someone who actually lives there would it now, silly wikipedia :P
[19:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Might come to the UK in july'ish
[19:44] <yofel> what's in july?
[19:44] <shadeslayer> yofel: I get out of college
[19:44] <shadeslayer> :>
[19:44] <yofel> :D
[19:44] <shadeslayer> Planning a vacation after my last set of exams in mid july
[19:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I expect I'll still have a spare room then if you want to stay in one of the UK's classier countries
[19:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how far is scotland from london anyway? 6-8 hours ? more? less?
[19:46] <Riddell> 4.5 hour train
[19:46] <Riddell> london to edinburgh
[19:46] <maco> uk is tiny
[19:46] <maco> dang
[19:46] <shadeslayer> Awesome
[19:46] <shadeslayer> maco: that's what I thought as well
[19:46] <shadeslayer> Took me 3 hours from New Ark to Orlando when I went to UDS N
[19:46] <maco> 6-8h sounded reasonable to me! thats how far dc->pittsburgh is (well thats definitely 8, maybe more if delays)
[19:47] <maco> i was on the train 19h going to orlando
[19:47] <Riddell> maco: it may fit into a the small corner of the US but we like not spending 19hours on a train to go somewhere :)
[19:48] <yofel> 8h by train is what it'll take me worst case to get from here to berlin, and UK is smaller than that
[19:48] <shadeslayer> Pretty much the same here in India as well, 19 - 72 hour train to any of the metropolitan cities depending on the destination
[19:48] <maco> trains arent allowed to go as fast as cars in the US
[19:48] <yofel> ouch
[19:48] <Riddell> (talking about the UK when discussing land masses makes little sence since it covers two of them)
[19:49] <maco> 8h train ride = 4h car ride
[19:49] <maco> Riddell: fine, GB
[19:51] <Riddell> maco: "8h train ride = 4h car ride" that must be US measurements?
[19:51] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:51] <maco> like i said, trains arent allowed to go as fast as cars here
[19:52] <maco> from my place to my mum's is 8h by train, 4h by car, and 1h by plane
[19:52] <Riddell> aren't allowed?
[19:52] <maco> so they dont fall off the tracks
[19:52] <Riddell> gosh and we think our trains are bad :)
[19:52] <maco> not as though theyve been updated in the last 100 years
[19:53] <maco> max speed for most of the US is 55mph for trains, iirc
[19:53] <Riddell> wow
[19:53] <maco> max speed for cars in .. well at least in the states between here and mum's house... is 65mph
[19:53] <yofel> uhm... what's the point in not having high speed trains in such a huge country o.O?
[19:53] <maco> yofel: it would cost money to build them
[19:53] <yofel> ...
[19:53] <maco> money that COULD be going to tax breaks for the rich, building bigger highways, tax breaks for car manufacturers...
[19:54] <yofel> true
[19:54] <maco> ...bailing out banks
[19:54] <yofel> well, last is true for europe too ^^
[19:54] <yofel> don't you have a private rail company?
[19:55] <shadeslayer> I like how the US can just print a currency that is valued internationally 
[19:55] <maco> yofel: Amtrak is the ONLY passenger rail company in the country, afaik. they dont own their own rails
[19:55] <maco> they rent time on the rails from the freight companies
[19:55] <yofel> ah
[19:55] <yofel> then again, the actual tracks are government owned here too
[19:56] <Riddell> so the rails are private but the trains aren't?
[19:56] <maco> if a freighter needs to get through to make a delivery, the amtrak train is expected to pull off onto a side rail and let the freighter catch up and pass before continuing
[19:57] <maco> much more important that the cars being shipped by rail arrive on time to their destination than the people :)
[19:57] <maco> Riddell: the trains are private...
[19:57] <maco> i think...
[19:57] <maco> just a private monopoly
[19:58] <shadeslayer> Well when you let cars go faster than trains, that's what happens
[19:58] <Riddell> oh I thought amtrack was government owned
[19:58] <maco> there's a high speed rail line between dc & nyc, but that's it
[19:58] <maco> hmm lemme see...
[19:58] <maco> ah you're right, it is gov-owned
[19:58] <Riddell> for some definition of high speed, I've done that journey and it didn't seem very fast
[19:59] <shadeslayer> wendar: what are you doing with your Transformer? :P
[19:59] <maco> it goes up to 150mph in that part, though wikipedia says parts of that corridor are limited to 100mph
[20:00] <maco> Riddell: wikipedia says dc/nyc is 2h 48min. ... thats an hour less than by car
[20:06] <ScottK> Amtrak is not European high speed.