[00:49] <nigelb> hggdh: What! Where?
[00:57] <bkerensa> hggdh: What is special about PJ and Groklaw? Someone pointed out awhile back that they talked about me and I screenshoted the blurb but I have no idea why Groklaw is special
[00:57] <nigelb> They do some fun stuff around software lawsuits
[00:58] <nigelb> I always find their analysis interesting
[01:00] <bkerensa> nigelb: Groklaw - http://ubuntuone.com/1x8HWKSwWFfYDuxVjfHMuv
[01:01] <nigelb> heh
[01:25] <mhall119> bkerensa: groklaw had some of the best detailed coverage of the SCO linux lawsuit
[01:51] <bkerensa> ahh
[02:35] <marcoceppi> cprofitt: o/
[02:38] <cprofitt> hey marcoceppi
[02:38] <cprofitt> so... about the video
[02:39] <marcoceppi> yup
[02:39] <cprofitt> I have been struggling to make askubuntu.com work for local teams prior to making the video
[02:39] <cprofitt> and I have not been successful
[02:40] <cprofitt> here is the query I tried - http://data.stackexchange.com/ubuntu/query/53493/top-1000-users-near-me
[02:40] <marcoceppi> what are some of the obstacles you're seeing?
[02:40] <cprofitt> the issue there is shows people who may not really be active with AskUbuntu
[02:41] <marcoceppi> Ah, okay. So you're looking to find active people?
[02:41] <cprofitt> well... anyone who has actually used aksubuntu.com
[02:41] <cprofitt> vs. any of the other stack exchange sites
[02:42] <cprofitt> like this person comes up on the query
[02:42] <cprofitt> http://askubuntu.com/users/20692/mike-fisher?tab=accounts
[02:42] <cprofitt> but has not really done anything that I can see
[02:43] <cprofitt> the other issue is how do I then contact these folks?
[02:44] <marcoceppi> Well, the issue with Location is it does a relatively exact match. So Washington, DC doesn't match the DC Metro area, so it's a really finite match.
[02:45] <cprofitt> I can get a state match by putting in NY
[02:45] <marcoceppi> Ah, good point
[02:45] <cprofitt> but yes, it does an exact match...
[02:45] <cprofitt> I do not mind that... that can be worked around
[02:45] <marcoceppi> It might be a better idea, and I took a stab at this earlier, but building a map from all the users
[02:45] <marcoceppi> and I know that was discussed a bit at UDS
[02:45] <cprofitt> yes, it was
[02:46] <marcoceppi> So you can get a relative location of users
[02:46] <cprofitt> the real issue is to try to make it useful to a loco team
[02:46] <marcoceppi> As for getting in touch with users, in touch how? Like email users?
[02:46] <cprofitt> like how does a team use the data to connect to users
[02:46] <cprofitt> it could be email or something else...
[02:47] <cprofitt> even if askubuntu.com did something to link the person to the loco wiki it would be useful
[02:47] <marcoceppi> Well, there is not real way to abstract the email - however, what you could do is consume the feeds for these people identified as being around a Loco and follow their questions
[02:47] <cprofitt> the other way data could be useful is w/o user names, but show me the questions asked in my state -- then I could work those in to presentations or mailing list how to posts
[02:47] <marcoceppi> That way Loco stewards could leave comments like, "hey if you need further help, check out the loco!"
[02:48] <cprofitt> yeah, I have left a few - try your local groups comments based on the information I found
[02:48] <cprofitt> but it was difficult -- if I could get questions that were in my state w/o having to find and track people that would be good though
[02:49] <cprofitt> is there anyway to find questions based on the location of the question author?
[02:49] <marcoceppi> You'd have to build a query in the API for that
[02:50] <marcoceppi> I can try to mesh an example of how this would work if you'd like
[02:50] <cprofitt> is that different than the kinds of query I showed you?
[02:50] <cprofitt> marco that would help... my ultimate goal would be to make it easy for state members to search by their city or state
[02:51] <marcoceppi> Yeah, you'd need to use the API directly (not the query) to pull for instance, all the users, then perform post processing on it (determine each location of the user, find users within X miles from Loco center, generate a feed)
[02:51] <cprofitt> got it...
[02:52] <marcoceppi> I'd be happy to get a working example up this week for you, see if it's something you'd be interested in
[02:53] <cprofitt> it would be...
[02:53] <marcoceppi> I can see how it would be great to help expose users to the greater community
[02:53] <marcoceppi> and other support channels
[02:53] <cprofitt> if I can make it interesting to loco leaders then we can try to work on getting feedback, etc
[02:53] <marcoceppi> cool, cool
[03:00] <cprofitt> http://data.stackexchange.com/ubuntu/query/59470/questions-from-your-area
[03:00] <cprofitt> may have got something working
[03:01] <cprofitt> marcoceppi: that query works
[03:02] <marcoceppi> cprofitt: Aye, that'll get the questions. Will that work for your criteria?
[03:03] <cprofitt> I think working with the API might be better long term -- especially if the loco portal guys can build it in to their application
[03:03] <cprofitt> but for allowing loco leaders to see what topics are being asked it works
[03:07] <cprofitt> marcoceppi: slight modification
[03:07] <cprofitt> http://data.stackexchange.com/ubuntu/revision/59470/59976/questions-from-your-area
[03:08] <cprofitt> I will pass this by folks via my blog and they we can hook up and look at the API
[03:08] <cprofitt> appreciate you talking with me tonight
[03:09] <cprofitt> marcoceppi: mind if I include the fact that you are working on some stuff with me via the API?
[03:09] <marcoceppi> not at all
[03:09] <marcoceppi> here's a little more verbose query
[03:09] <marcoceppi> http://data.stackexchange.com/ubuntu/query/59471/questions-from-your-area?YourLocation=DC
[03:10] <marcoceppi> if you wanted to find "newer" users
[03:10] <cprofitt> that looks good... thanks
[03:12] <marcoceppi> np, I'll try to piece something together in the next few days, I'll ping ya if I've got anything
[03:12] <cprofitt> thanks. I look forward to it.
[03:12] <nigelb> g26
[03:34] <cprofitt> marcoceppi: http://ftbeowulf.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/askubuntu-com-and-loco-teams/
[03:34] <cprofitt> everything ok with that?
[04:18] <marcoceppi> cprofit Looks good!
[07:44] <dholbach> good morning
[07:53] <jokerdino> hi there
[07:58] <dholbach> hi jokerdino
[08:01] <bkerensa> dholbach: Can I pm for a second?
[08:02] <dholbach> sure
[08:11] <dpm> good morning everyone
[08:11] <dholbach> hola dpm
[08:12] <dpm> hey dholbach :)
[08:12] <dpm> and happy belated birthday :)
[08:15]  * dholbach curtseys
[08:15] <dholbach> thanks
[08:46] <bkerensa> hello dpm
[08:47] <dpm> hey, good morning bkerensa
[10:19] <s-fox> Hello :-)
[10:19] <jokerdino> hi there
[10:19] <s-fox> Hello jokerdino , how are you?
[10:19] <jokerdino> i am doing fine :)
[10:19] <s-fox> Good show.
[10:20] <jokerdino> how about you?
[10:20] <s-fox> Little nervous, got a job interview later...
[10:21] <jokerdino> oh good luck!
[13:25] <hggdh> nigelb: goto http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php and look for an entry called "A charming cartoon"
[13:28] <cprofitt> http://chaoslife.findchaos.com/comics/2012-01-16PirateSocks.png
[13:29] <hggdh> bkerensa: growlaw started a few months after SCO sued IBM and others (and got entangled with Novell). A lot of what happened/happens on these cases can be traced back to groklaw
[13:30] <cprofitt> http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/103/d/5/groklaw_pj_tribute_by_doctormo-d3dxm1h.png
[13:36] <AlanBell> hggdh: it started sometime before then
[13:37] <dholbach> mhall119, ping
[13:40] <hggdh> AlanBell: I do not remember anymore :-)
[13:43] <mhall119> dholbach: pong
[13:53] <dholbach> mhall119, jono wanted me to talk to to you about patch piloting - if you have a moment we could have a chat
[13:53] <mhall119> dholbach: give me 10 minutes?
[13:53] <dholbach> sure
[14:05] <scott-work> anyone know if REVU is suppossed to be up and used?  it doesn't seem to be
[14:06] <dholbach> scott-work, it might be worth pinging ajmitch, wgrant or sistpoty or siretart in #ubuntu-motu
[14:06] <dholbach> I think it's meant to go away at some stage, but I thought that was some time off still
[14:07] <scott-work> dholbach: thank you :)
[14:14] <mhall119> dholbach: back
[14:15] <dholbach> mhall119, great
[14:15] <dholbach> starting the hangout infrastructure
[14:25] <akgraner> is there anyway to read indd files in Ubuntu?
[14:26] <akgraner> or rather using one of the applications that come with Ubuntu
[14:47] <nigelb> jcastro_: ping?
[14:47] <nigelb> ohwait, its mhall119's job now.
[14:47] <nigelb> mhall119: for bug 759871, would you prefer we just gave a suggestion to use real name instead?
[14:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 759871 in summit "Force sponsorship applicant to use real name." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759871
[14:47] <nigelb> forcing it might be challenging.
[14:52] <mhall119> nigelb: I think making it requires is reasonable, since it will be used for arranging travel and booking rooms, etc
[14:53] <mhall119> things where we need that info for 3rd parties who won't accept pseudonyms
[14:53] <nigelb> mhall119: Well, I can make it requires, but not control what someone puts there.
[14:53] <nigelb> That's what I mean.
[14:54] <mhall119> nigelb: that's fine
[15:04] <bkerensa> Good Morning Folks :)
[15:05] <bkerensa> hggdh: Thats some pretty nice work... DoctorMo is good at art
[15:05] <mhall119> morning bkerensa
[15:08] <bkerensa> Apparently the good ol' Arctic circle decided to push some wicked cold weather and snow down to Portland :)
[15:08] <bkerensa> No penguins sighted yet though
[15:08] <mhall119> penguins are antarctic
[15:08] <mhall119> you'll just get polar bears
[15:10] <bkerensa> oh they dont sound so friendly :)
[15:11] <mhall119> bkerensa: they're very friendly: http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/images/qimo-shot.jpg
[15:14] <bkerensa> \o/
[15:22] <mhall119> dpm: ping
[15:22] <dpm> hey mhall119
[15:23] <mhall119> dpm: did you have a chance to look at http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/platform/api/ and the fact that it still references CouchDB as the Data API?
[15:24] <mhall119> since U1 has dropped it, is it still the recommended way of storing data for desktop apps?
[15:25] <dpm> mhall119, sorry, it's on my TODO ever since you sent that e-mail, but I haven't done it yet. Do you know if we recommend something already for the data api, or shall we remove it altogether?
[15:25] <mhall119> U1DB isn't ready yet, I think, so we'll probably just need to remove it
[15:26] <dpm> mhall119, ok. Let me put it in a "Deprecated" section for now, until we've got an alternative
[15:26] <mhall119> dpm: I'm trying to get a hold of aquarius too
[15:26] <mhall119> thanks
[15:26] <dpm> cool
[15:27] <dholbach> mhall119, dpm, jcastro_, balloons: I guess we won't have a team meeting in 33m?
[15:27] <dpm> dholbach, I assumed we were not going to have it. I think both jono and jcastro are away
[15:28]  * dholbach nods
[15:28] <dholbach> ok
[15:29] <dpm> mhall119, http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/platform/api/
[15:31] <mhall119> dpm: thanks
[15:31] <james_w> mhall119, http://askubuntu.com/questions/95956/creating-a-unity-lens-the-name-activation-does-not-exist-in-the-context-of-u
[15:33] <mhall119> james_w: thanks
[15:35] <mhall119> dpm: I have a bug report against the ubuntu one documentation that the dev portal links to for "Ubuntu One (Data)"
[15:36] <mhall119> what project on LP should I use to link that bug to the dev portal? developer-portal?
[15:36] <dpm> mhall119, ubuntudeveloperportal (developer-portal is, confusingly, only for the myapps webapp to submit applications)
[15:37] <mhall119> dpm: good thing I asked
[15:37] <dpm> mhall119, there is a link to "report a bug" on the footer of all d.u.c pages, although it's not very visible
[15:38] <dpm> you can click on that one and it should make things easier
[15:38] <mhall119> dpm: I already had a bug against ubuntuone-servers, just wanted to attach ubuntudeveloperportal to it so you get updates when they change their docs
[15:39] <dpm> mhall119, ok, cool, thanks!
[15:39] <mhall119> dpm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+bug/917694
[15:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 917694 in ubuntuone-servers "Developer documentation still suggests CouchDB" [Undecided,New]
[15:40] <mhall119> just incase they move that page and you need to update the links on the dev portal
[15:40] <dpm> good point
[15:41] <dpm> mhall119, since you've got way more web development experience than I do, we should probably discuss how to better publish API docs on d.u.c at some point (it's not urgent for now)
[15:42] <mhall119> ok
[16:09] <mhall119> dpm: ping again
[16:10] <mhall119> dpm: aquarius says that the "Ubuntu One (Data)" links on http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/platform/api/ should be moved to deprecated too, until they have the U1DB docs available
[16:11] <mhall119> dpm: also, what city are you in ? (needs to add your localtime to my clock)
[16:30] <dpm> mhall119, ok, let me do that in a few mins.
[16:31] <dpm> Valencia
[17:14] <balloons> dholbach, wanted to let you know I listened to one of your dubstep mixes.. pretty good actually
[17:16] <dholbach> balloons, drum'n'bass maybe? not sure if I posted a dubstep mix somewhere already - I thought they all were not good enough yet
[17:16] <balloons> hmm.. let me go check
[17:16] <dholbach> mhall119, but soon dpm is going to move to Berlin (still the same TZ), we'll open a bar there together
[17:17] <balloons> dpm moving to berlin?
[17:17] <dpm>  dholbach, don't tempt me!
[17:17] <balloons> lol
[17:17] <dholbach> dpm, go go go go go
[17:17] <balloons> dpm, tell dholbach the weather and sea are much nicer in Valencia
[17:17] <dpm> dholbach, have you already started spotting potential bar candidates? ;)
[17:17] <balloons> and it's Spain! flamenco guitar..
[17:18] <dholbach> dpm, once I'm back in Berlin I'll let you know
[17:18] <dholbach> balloons, I'm sure we can find a flamenco guitar for dpm in Berlin, but there's a good point about the climate :)
[17:18] <dpm> dholbach, great!
[17:19] <balloons> dholbach, ahh yes it was drumnbass
[17:19] <dpm> balloons, yeah, weather is a plus point in here
[17:19] <balloons> mixtape: cryptkeeper
[17:19] <dpm> although it's starting to get cold too
[17:19] <dholbach> ah yes, the "latest" one - I've become a bit lazy, I need to post something new again :)
[17:21] <balloons> dpm, yes, I like nice weather. I have the windows open and a nice warm breeze today.. It's around 24 c today
[17:21] <balloons> dholbach, no worries.. I've got all the old ones to listen to.. I'll keep on them
[17:21] <dpm> wow, definitely much nicer than in here :)
[17:22] <dholbach> dpm, "cold"? Valencia seems to have 16-18°C during the day, while Berlin has around 4°C
[17:22] <dholbach> if you keep going on with this conversation I might have to add you to my ignore list
[17:23] <dholbach> ;-)
[17:23] <balloons> you guys are too funny..
[17:27] <dpm> ;)
[17:30] <dpm> mhall119, Unity Utilities Lens has just landed in the Software Center :) - David Callé has been working with stgraber to sort out the packaging details and it should be all set now
[17:30] <jcastro_> mhall119: hi
[17:30] <dholbach> wow, the ARB seems to be on a roll now :)
[17:31] <jcastro> mhall119: I'm not working today but I thought I'd check in, see if you need anything
[17:31] <balloons> nice job guys! keep that software rolling
[17:31] <dholbach> mhall119, should "upstream tech overview" be "unity tech overview" instead? (not quite sure?)
[17:32] <balloons> btw, does anyone know who does the commercial apps in software center?
[17:32] <dholbach> balloons, these people: http://www.canonical.com/partners/isv :)
[17:37] <jcastro> I miss hanging out already
[17:38] <balloons> hey jcastro
[17:43] <dholbach> alright my friends - see you tomorrow
[17:44] <nigelb> g'nite dholbach
[17:49] <dpm> yeah, calling it a day here too...
[17:49] <dpm> good night everyone!
[17:49] <balloons> night dpm1
[18:19] <mhall119> hey jcastro
[18:19] <jcastro> yoyo
[18:23] <cprofitt> hey jcastro
[18:23] <cprofitt> did some work on the queries last night -- askubuntu and loco teams
[18:23] <jcastro> hey, is your arm still in that HUGE block of cheese?
[18:23] <cprofitt> no... that was for 1 week
[18:23] <cprofitt> I get the stitches out tomorrow
[18:24] <jcastro> the queries turning up anything interesting?
[18:26] <mhall119> heh, block of cheese
[18:26] <mhall119> it really did look like that
[18:28] <cprofitt> the nurses called it a sponge bob
[18:29] <cprofitt> jcastro: I got it to the point I could show questions from 'my area'
[18:29] <jcastro> heh
[18:29] <cprofitt> and marco tweaked it to order them by most recent questions
[18:30] <cprofitt> jcastro: http://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/59471/questions-from-your-area
[18:32] <jcastro> "the distribution that tends to set ambitious goals that get people excited, then breaks hearts when the harsh realities of real life"
[18:32] <jcastro> hah, awesome
[18:32] <jcastro> http://www.thevarguy.com/2012/01/17/aligning-linux-distributions-with-presidential-hopefuls
[18:34] <jcastro> cprofitt: the query takes a long time
[18:34] <jcastro> but seems to work
[18:35] <cprofitt> it does -- faster when limted to just askubuntu.com
[18:35] <cprofitt> I linked you, by accident, to the larger one
[18:36] <cprofitt> there are also issues with just searching for NY
[18:36] <cprofitt> because 'germaNY' contains NY
[18:37] <cprofitt> jcastro: askubuntu only - http://data.stackexchange.com/ubuntu/query/59471/questions-from-your-area
[18:37] <cprofitt> to search for NY you have to input , NY
[18:41] <cprofitt> whole lotta Jorge Castro when I search for , FL
[18:41] <cprofitt> jcastro: here is the most recent questions from someone in FL that appears to be new
[18:41] <cprofitt> http://askubuntu.com/questions/86148/windows-server-2008-remote-desktop-with-maximum-security
[18:42] <mhall119> jcastro: nice, and very spot-on for the most part
[18:42] <mhall119> cprofitt: 'Castro' is a popular name in South Florida ;)
[18:43] <cprofitt> mhall119: it Jorge though
[18:43] <cprofitt> not multiple people
[18:43] <cprofitt> :-)
[18:44] <mhall119> jcastro is multiple people
[18:44] <mhall119> well, multiple robots anyway
[18:45] <mhall119> see http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1900/is-jorge-castro-a-robot
[18:45] <balloons> jcastro, some easy listening for you. Metal I've bet you've never heard: http://www.myspace.com/becomingthearchetype/music/albums/terminate-damnation-10545141
[18:46] <mhall119> omg, a myspace url?
[18:46] <balloons> lol -- I had to laugh too
[18:46] <cprofitt> wow... I thought myspace was gone
[18:46] <balloons> I was trying to find a link to someplace you could listen
[18:46] <balloons> hmmm
[18:47] <balloons> should have done a grooveshark playlist
[18:47] <jcastro> cprofitt: ok so for this to work
[18:47] <jcastro> we tell people to put their state in?
[18:48] <jcastro> ot, I guess in the biography people can put their loco in
[18:56] <cprofitt> jcastro: you can also use Syracuse, NY
[18:56] <cprofitt> etc
[18:56] <cprofitt> it queries the owner of the question's location field
[18:59]  * jcastro nods
[19:04] <cprofitt> marco is still planning on doing something with the API that might be more useful
[19:04] <cprofitt> and could be intergrated with the loco portal
[19:05] <cprofitt> such as a feed of questions
[19:05] <jcastro> nod
[20:56] <technoviking> bodhi_zazen!~bodhi_zaz@fedora/bodhizazen Fedora! :)
[20:58] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo technoviking , long time no see
[20:59] <technoviking> bodhi_zazen: howdy sir, you get the note I posted to the trouble ticket last week
[21:00] <bodhi_zazen> About upgrading the forums and working out openid later ?
[21:00] <technoviking> yup
[21:00] <bodhi_zazen> sir, lol, why so formal
[21:00] <technoviking> just keeping the ducks in rows:)
[21:09]  * mhall119 broke down and installed advanced window list on irssi
[21:13] <doctormon> I've upgraded to Precise, first Alpha I've ever used on my main machine
[22:09] <akgraner> doctormon, :-) me too
[22:12] <doctormon> akgraner: Actually I'm quite glad i get to test software, but still sad the kernel is unfixed.
[22:12] <cprofitt> hey doctormon
[22:13] <doctormon> akgraner: I think in my frustrations I will end my freedom by kidnapping a kernel develop of the right sort and sit him bodily down in front of the blasted thing.
[22:13] <akgraner> doctormon, don't you know I am not allowed to even mention the word kernel :-P
[22:13] <doctormon> developer*
[22:13] <doctormon> Hey cprofitt
[22:14] <akgraner> doctormon, um yeah good luck with that. you are talking about *kernel* developers :-)
[22:14] <doctormon> akgraner: You mean I might have to lay siege to their encavement?
[22:15] <akgraner> :-)
[22:15] <doctormon> Seriously how can one f'in computer be broken from maverick to precise? It's an entire 2 year cycle of death.
[22:16] <akgraner> doctormon, I had one that was broken for 3 cycles
[22:17] <doctormon> 6 years or 1 and a half?
[22:17] <akgraner> the dell that kept over heating - 1.5
[22:17]  * jussi prods at akgraner - PM!
[22:18] <akgraner> jussi, sure
[22:21] <czajkowski> /c/c