[15:56] <lynxman> o/
[15:59] <Ursinha> meeting?
[16:00]  * jamespage waves 
[16:00] <jamespage> o/
[16:00] <Daviey> o/
[16:00] <Daviey> (on a call)
[16:00]  * arosales hello
[16:01] <adam_g> \o
[16:04] <jamespage> whos in the seat this week?
[16:04] <zul> hey
[16:04] <Daviey> Clint, but i think he is absent
[16:04] <Daviey> So... rooaksox! :)
[16:05] <Daviey> roaksoax: startmeeting :)
[16:06]  * robbiew lurks
[16:06] <roaksoax> #startmeeting
[16:06] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 17 16:06:05 2012 UTC.  The chair is roaksoax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[16:06] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:06] <roaksoax> rbasak to try precise on pandaboard
[16:07] <roaksoax> he's not in the channel so I guess we can move on
[16:07] <Daviey> I think he did try it last week
[16:07] <Daviey> so DONE
[16:07] <roaksoax> ok then
[16:07] <arosales> roaksoax: yes, Tobin from the ARM team had also confirmed that along with Robbie.
[16:08] <roaksoax> arosales: great! thanks for the update!
[16:08] <roaksoax> let's move on then
[16:08] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Precise Development
[16:08] <roaksoax> Daviey: the floor is yours
[16:08] <Daviey> Following the rally last week we have a clearer direction.
[16:08] <Daviey> Some things are being changed, and the blueprints will reflect this shortly.
[16:09] <Daviey> Lets burn through the todo list.
[16:09] <hallyn> will there be surprises for any of us?
[16:09] <robbiew> hooyah!
[16:09] <Daviey> http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[16:09] <robbiew> hallyn: yes...you now work on iscsi
[16:09] <Daviey> zul: bug 879853 ?
[16:09] <robbiew> lol
[16:09] <robbiew> (j/k)
[16:09] <zul> done..
[16:09] <hallyn> lol
[16:09] <Daviey> poor hallyn
[16:10] <Daviey> zul: update so?
[16:10] <Daviey> zul: bug 883988
[16:10] <zul> still havent beeen able to reproduce it
[16:10] <adam_g> Daviey: upstream is apparently tracking that
[16:10] <Daviey> adam_g: sweet!
[16:10] <adam_g> its easily reproduced, but needs upstream to figure out what they're doing with db migrations (kind of a mess ATM, IMHO)
[16:11] <Daviey> bug 893926 , mainerror ?  How is it looking
[16:11] <SpamapS> o/
[16:11] <Daviey> ok.. i'll track him down.
[16:11] <Daviey> bug 906163
[16:11] <Daviey> zul: ^^ ?
[16:12] <zul> fixed
[16:12]  * Daviey suggests fixed bugs contain the fixed released status :)
[16:12] <zul> makes send
[16:12] <Ursinha> :)
[16:12] <zul> makes sense
[16:12] <Daviey> bug 911812 , up for grabs, adam_g or roaksoax ?
[16:13] <Daviey> or anyone else... looks ike checking a patch and landing it.
[16:13] <roaksoax> I'll take it
[16:13] <Daviey> rocking
[16:13] <Daviey> bug 915971
[16:13] <Daviey> zul: ^^ ?
[16:14] <zul> still waiting for info
[16:14] <Daviey> adam_g: is bug 916992 also under investigation upstream?
[16:14] <adam_g> Daviey: yes, i have a patch but unforutnately am locked out of gerrit still, and the openstack QA team is on conference leave somewhere far
[16:14] <Daviey> adam_g: gah... :/
[16:14] <adam_g> Daviey: ive assigned myself to the ubuntu task for now
[16:14] <Daviey> bug 75262
[16:14] <zul> adam_g: i could do it for you
[16:15] <Daviey> err
[16:15] <Daviey> bug 875262
[16:15] <zul> geez feisty :)
[16:15] <Daviey> SpamapS: Were you working with koolhead17 on this? :)
[16:15] <SpamapS> I recall a question or two, but nothing recent
[16:15] <Daviey> SpamapS: would you be able to drive it to compleition?
[16:16] <Daviey> bug 891433 , utlemming ...
[16:16] <SpamapS> Yes, there's a merge pending for 5.3.9 anyway
[16:16] <Daviey> Seems utlemming isn't here.. will poke later.
[16:16] <Daviey> SpamapS: \o/
[16:16] <Daviey> bug 607039 , up for grabs
[16:17] <Daviey> All rush at once! :)
[16:17] <Daviey> smb: Ah, is that yours?
[16:17] <SpamapS> Its still "New", so is the first step to confirm it?
[16:18] <Daviey> SpamapS: right, the LP status doesn't reflect the real status.
[16:18] <Daviey> Not sure who is currently driving it.. is it you smb ?
[16:18] <smb> Daviey, It was... then someone wanted to help... was that zul or hallyn
[16:18] <hallyn> i've been involved before
[16:19] <hallyn> at this point we need someone familiar with module-init-tools to step in
[16:19] <Daviey> Do we know who that is?
[16:19] <hallyn> who babysits that?
[16:19] <smb> The thing is that I was lost a bit to where to add the additional alias
[16:19] <hallyn> right, bc the file where debian has it, we don't ship
[16:19] <smb> iow is nfs-common allowed to create a file in /etc/modprobe.d
[16:20] <Daviey> smb / hallyn: we'll continue this outside the meeting in #ubuntu-devel.
[16:20] <Daviey> bug 890362 : zul ?
[16:20] <smb> ack
[16:20] <zul> Daviey: umm..
[16:20] <zul> yeah
[16:20] <Daviey> ?
[16:21] <Daviey> zul: status?
[16:21] <zul> ill take another look
[16:22] <Daviey> cool
[16:22] <Daviey> roaksoax: bug 898840
[16:23] <roaksoax> Daviey: was waiting for the updates after the sprint
[16:23] <roaksoax> to work on that
[16:23] <Daviey> jamespage: Do you know how bug 904681 is looking ?
[16:23] <Daviey> roaksoax: cool, that bug is still valid currently.
[16:23] <jamespage> Daviey: still to big :-)
[16:24] <Daviey> as long as it's not too big, i'm happy. :)
[16:24] <Daviey> Okay, thanks
[16:24] <jamespage> 550MB
[16:24] <jamespage> ish
[16:24] <Daviey> jamespage: and the limit is?
[16:24] <jamespage> 500MB
[16:25] <jamespage> 10% oversized
[16:25] <Daviey> ok, thanks
[16:25] <Daviey> anyone want that one?
[16:25]  * Daviey snaps it up for himself.
[16:25] <Daviey> zul: bug 906654 ?
[16:26] <adam_g> Daviey: ill take that. im looking at that now, the middleware has changed again upstream
[16:26] <zul> Daviey: still waiting for MIR
[16:26] <Daviey> adam_g: rocking
[16:26] <Daviey> bug 906735 : adam_g is that one for you? :)
[16:26] <adam_g> Daviey: sure
[16:26] <Daviey> rocking
[16:27] <Daviey> zul: bug 907197 ?
[16:27] <Daviey> (wow, zul - lots of bugs :)
[16:27] <zul> fml
[16:27] <zul> ill look into it
[16:28] <Daviey> cool
[16:28] <Daviey> bug 913739 , looks not too bad
[16:28] <Daviey> patch supplied!
[16:28] <Daviey> bug 914257
[16:28] <zul> fixed last week need to update it
[16:28] <Daviey> zul: ^^
[16:28] <Daviey> lynxman: bug 916489 ?
[16:29] <Daviey> (needs new upstream snapshot)
[16:29] <smoser> o/ sorry to be late.
[16:29] <adam_g> zul: Daviey that local_settings.py one may be invalid or need to be renamed, since new packages do not install local_settings.py at all anymore
[16:29] <Daviey> smoser: I think your lateness just signed you up to bug 917471 :)
[16:29] <Daviey> adam_g: oh sweet, maybe you should own that one then?
[16:29] <adam_g> Daviey: gimme!
[16:29] <Daviey> zul: ^^ ?
[16:30] <smoser> Daviey, sure. i'll do that bacula upgrade
[16:30] <zul> Daviey: the bacula one?
[16:30] <Daviey> zul: no.. adam_g having that one
[16:30] <Daviey> smoser: rocking
[16:30] <zul> Daviey: ah k
[16:31] <Daviey> bug 833499
[16:31] <Daviey> *awesome* bug.
[16:31] <Daviey> is that a smoser one aswell?
[16:31] <Daviey> (i know you love that one)
[16:31] <smoser> i opened that bug.
[16:31] <zul> i have that on my list, its submitted upstream (the fix) but i need to redo it
[16:32] <smoser> the fix is submitted upstream?
[16:32] <smoser> really?
[16:32] <Daviey> zul: cool, can you assign yourself pls?
[16:32] <zul> yeah
[16:32] <zul> smoser: proposed, got a -1 so far
[16:32] <Daviey> bug 901881
[16:32] <smoser> could you link to it?
[16:32] <smoser> in the bug
[16:33] <Daviey> zul: capture that last one there ^^ in the next upload?
[16:33] <Daviey> rbasak: bug 889644 , is that one you were tracking?
[16:33] <rbasak> yes
[16:33] <zul> Daviey: still blocked on the keystone MIR
[16:33] <rbasak> last status is that it's in debian experimental but ftbfs on both debian and ubuntu on arm
[16:33] <Daviey> rbasak: does it just need a sync now?
[16:34] <rbasak> I haven't had a chance to look further
[16:34] <Daviey> ah crappers.
[16:34] <Daviey> rbasak: can you assign yourself?
[16:34] <rbasak> will do
[16:34] <Daviey> release blocking bug 907206 !
[16:34] <Daviey> anyone want to grab it?
[16:34] <zul> seriously?
[16:34] <zul> ill take it
[16:35] <Daviey> err, bitesize.
[16:35] <Daviey> bug 912716
[16:35] <Daviey> nice wishlist bug, hggdh want it? :)
[16:35] <Daviey> bug 912716
[16:35] <hggdh> Daviey: looking at it now
[16:36] <Daviey> awesome!
[16:36] <Daviey> bug 887186 , roaksoax - needs fixing i think, still.
[16:36] <Daviey> bug 891977, assigned to the biggest slacker of them all.  He'll get to it.
[16:36] <roaksoax> Daviey: seems to be lack of functionality of squid3, as higher upstream version seems to have functionality that was in 2.x
[16:37] <Daviey> roaksoax: upstream regression?
[16:37] <roaksoax> Daviey: apparently so, I'm planning to update squid to latest upstream and see if its reproduceable
[16:37] <Daviey> sweet!
[16:37] <Daviey> Okay, that is it for the to-do list.. any missing that should be there?
[16:38] <Daviey> roaksoax: lets move on. :)
[16:38] <roaksoax> alright
[16:38] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:38] <roaksoax> any upcoming events?
[16:38] <Daviey> FOSDEM baby!
[16:38] <robbiew> Austin Cloud Users Group tonight!
[16:38] <robbiew> SCALE10X this weekend
[16:38] <m_3> clint n jorge at scale!
[16:39] <Daviey> 4th&5th of Feb, rbasak, jamespage, ttx and myself at FOSDEM..  Possibly soren?
[16:39] <Daviey> m_3: does clint and jorge scale that large?
[16:39] <ttx> yes, soren will be there
[16:40] <Daviey> rocking!
[16:40] <m_3> ...the whole is more than the sum of its parts...
[16:40] <roaksoax> alright, I'm guessing that's about it then. Moving on...
[16:40] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:40] <roaksoax> hggdh: it's all yours
[16:40] <SpamapS> Clint 'n Jorge are webSCALE ;)
[16:41] <Daviey> hggdh: Who is best to cover this section, is it still you?
[16:41] <hggdh> only worthy news: we have published a high-level view of the tests guidelines
[16:41] <Daviey> on a related note, adam_g / jamespage: how is the CI going?
[16:41] <hggdh> Daviey: I am not sure, I will ask the powers-that-be
[16:41] <Daviey> hggdh: where are the test guidelines?
[16:42] <hggdh> https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuEngineering/QA/Automation/TestSubmissionGuidelines
[16:42] <Daviey> hmm
[16:42] <hggdh> this is WIP, and comments are appreciated
[16:42] <Daviey> Perhaps put it on the ubuntu wiki? :)
[16:42] <hggdh> as soon as it is at least sane, we will move it to w.u.c
[16:43] <Daviey> right
[16:43] <Daviey> thanks
[16:43] <hggdh> ..
[16:43] <Daviey> adam_g / jamespage: can you comment on CI testing status?
[16:43] <Daviey> lets move on roaksoax.
[16:43] <jamespage> progress OK last week; next task is enabling the tempest suite
[16:44] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:44] <roaksoax> smoser: you are up
[16:44] <Daviey> lol
[16:44] <smoser> i am up
[16:44] <smb> Open for questions. Tried to get cobblestra working in small scale otherwise. And Xen managed through virt-manager :)
[16:44] <smoser> ah.
[16:44] <smoser> yeah.
[16:44] <roaksoax> smoser: lol sorry :)
[16:44] <smoser> i dont think i have any for smb today.
[16:45] <Daviey> smoser: bug 907377 ?
[16:45] <Daviey> smb: is bug 902951 infact fixed?
[16:46] <smb> Daviey, Looking there seems like a iommu thing
[16:46] <smb> Daviey, VIRTIO_BLK will be built in in precise
[16:46] <smb> Need to update the bug probably
[16:46] <Daviey> neat
[16:47] <Daviey> The only other issue with the kernel seems to be odd sound on my laptop :).. but OT here. :)
[16:47] <Daviey> i'm done, thanks smb
[16:47] <roaksoax> alright, I guess we can move on
[16:47] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
[16:47] <roaksoax> rbasak: your turn
[16:48] <rbasak> So I spoke to the arm team last week
[16:48] <rbasak> the consensus is that I will bridge the two meetings
[16:48] <Daviey> \o/
[16:49] <rbasak> precise is working on armhf for me now, juju still a bit broken
[16:49] <Daviey> rbasak: have bugs?
[16:49] <rbasak> I filed bug 917664 earlier
[16:50] <rbasak> we're almost certainly going to be going for armhf on server
[16:50] <Daviey> rbasak: do you think this is importiant to release of precise?
[16:50] <rbasak> yes
[16:50]  * Daviey adds it to the list.
[16:50] <smoser> rbasak, so we decided i believe that there is no point in doing cloud-images for armel, right?
[16:51] <rbasak> Yes, that's my understanding. Is there any reason we need them that I'm missing?
[16:51] <smoser> we should have a bug for "replace armel with armhf(??) for arch of cloud-images" then
[16:51] <smoser> i can't think of any
[16:51] <lynxman> Daviey: Sorry was trapped in the juju world :) The new upstream snapshot is ready, packaged, branched and pending your review
[16:51] <jamespage> ls
[16:52] <SpamapS> rbasak: I believe that juju bug is actually already reported and assigned to hazmat...
[16:52] <Daviey> lynxman: ah, linky?
[16:52] <SpamapS> rbasak: bug 914392
[16:52] <lynxman> Daviey: https://code.launchpad.net/~lynxman/ubuntu/precise/ipxe/newsnapshot
[16:53] <rbasak> SpamapS: agreed, thanks!
[16:53] <Daviey> lynxman: thanks.
[16:53] <Daviey> anything else?
[16:53] <SpamapS> rbasak: marked as dupe
[16:53] <rbasak> thanks SpamapS
[16:53] <SpamapS> Daviey: ^^ please adjust accordingly
[16:54] <rbasak> I'm done, I'll start keeping a proper list for future meetings
[16:54] <roaksoax> ok then I guess we can move on if there's nothing else for rbasak
[16:54] <Daviey> SpamapS: thanks
[16:54] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
[16:55] <roaksoax> anyone from the community has anything to bring to the table?
[16:55]  * ScottK is working with lamont on postfix updates.
[16:55] <Daviey> ScottK: Awesome!!
[16:55] <Daviey> ScottK: anything interesting in the pipelines?
[16:55] <ScottK> He's doing 2.8.7 for precise and then I'll do microversion updates for natty/oneric.
[16:55] <Daviey> \o/
[16:55] <ScottK> This is just bug fixes.
[16:55] <ScottK> Then backports for Lucid/Maverick.
[16:56] <ScottK> But 2.9.0 is close.
[16:56] <ScottK> That, interestingly enough, will have an optional memcached client.
[16:56] <SpamapS> roaksoax: since I'm from the community.. I'd like to bring to the table that this particular section is rather troubling.. and that we should try to involve non-Canonical people in all sections, since we're all part of the "community"
[16:56] <lynxman> Since it's QA time, it's worth submitting a bug for xen-tools? It says somewhere that it's being deprecated, nonetheless it's defaults are broken for creating new xen servers
[16:56] <ScottK> SpamapS: +1
[16:56] <lynxman> SpamapS: +1
[16:57] <roaksoax> SpamapS: fine by me too
[16:57] <rbasak> SpamapS: while I agree, I think it's important to give people a specific opportunity to comment! Better to have a specific agenda item than feel that there is no agenda item at all
[16:57] <ScottK> Just change is to Other updates and questions.
[16:57] <ScottK> is/it
[16:57] <SpamapS> I believe this section used to be specifically updats from the Canonical "community team" and then was morphed to this.. but really, we're all at this meeting specifically to address the community as a whole.. so I see no need for this section.
[16:57] <smb> lynxman, I am not sure I understand what you say. Maybe you could explain when I am more awake. :)
[16:58] <roaksoax> I guess we can merge this topic with Open Discussion
[16:58] <lynxman> smb: xen-tools generate xen images that lack the load of xenblk on startup so they always fall back to ramdisk
[16:58] <ScottK> Yeah.
[16:58] <SpamapS> rbasak: each agenda item is, and should be, oriented toward the community.
[16:58] <jsalisbury> Roll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting
[16:58] <rbasak> SpamapS: absolutely - but is that communicated effectively at every meeting? Because this agenda item is.
[16:58] <ScottK> roaksoax: I agree.  I thought this was a fancy name for open discussion.
[16:58] <SpamapS> 2 minutes remaining..
[16:58] <smb> lynxman, You know that we at least now built-in the frontend driver?
[16:59] <SpamapS> we won't have time to finish this discussion here. Shall we defer to next week?
[16:59] <roaksoax> ScottK: we have both at the moment :/
[16:59]  * ScottK votes SpamapS for dictator of agenda reworking.
[16:59] <ScottK> SpamapS: JFDI.  Fix it.
[16:59] <SpamapS> roaksoax: action please?
[16:59] <SpamapS> And then I suppose we should wrap up.
[17:00] <lynxman> smb: I do, this is latest oneiric, broken ):
[17:00] <lynxman> smb: bug has been sitting ducks
[17:00] <roaksoax> [action] Discuss merge of Open Discussion with Community update topics
[17:00] <meetingology> ACTION: Discuss merge of Open Discussion with Community update topics
[17:00] <lynxman> smb: I'll raise it later
[17:00] <Daviey> Everyone say hello to arosales, three cheers for the new Ubuntu Server Workloads Manager.
[17:00] <smb> lynxman, k
[17:00] <lynxman> arosales: \o/ \o/
[17:00] <rbasak> hip hip
[17:00] <SpamapS> \o/
[17:00] <Daviey> hip hip.
[17:00] <arosales> :-)
[17:00] <jamespage> \o/
[17:00] <m_3> arosales: hey!
[17:00] <roaksoax> [topic] Announce next meeting date and time
[17:01] <roaksoax> same date/time
[17:01] <arosales> thanks for the welcome :-)
[17:01] <SpamapS> thanks for attending everyone!
[17:01] <roaksoax> arosales: \o/
[17:01] <SpamapS> roaksoax: thanks for scribing!!!
[17:01] <Daviey> thanks roaksoax for driving.
[17:01] <lynxman> roaksoax: \o/
[17:01] <roaksoax> SpamapS: welcome ;)
[17:01]  * SpamapS eyes the pensive kernel team and figures we should probably get outta here while the gettin's good
[17:01] <roaksoax> #endmeeting
[17:01] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 17 17:01:55 2012 UTC.
[17:01] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-17-16.06.moin.txt
[17:02] <apw> o/
[17:02] <ppisati> o/
[17:02] <cking> o/
[17:02] <herton> o/
[17:02] <kamal> pensive?
[17:02] <kamal> o/
[17:02] <ogasawara> o/
[17:02] <smb> \o
[17:02] <bjf> o/
[17:02] <sforshee> o/
[17:02] <jsalisbury> #startmeeting
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[17:02] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Precise
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[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:02] <ppisati> P/master: patches for kexec (omap3-only for now) and Beagle XM detection landed.
[17:02] <ppisati> P/omap4: a new kernel in is the pipe (3.2.0-1404.6) - rebased on top of 3.2.0-9.16, and TILT @ c39eb96.
[17:02] <ppisati> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:03] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incomming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:03] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:03] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-kernel-distro-team-precise-alpha-2.html
[17:03] <ogasawara> || apw        || hardware-p-kernel-boot                || 1 work item  ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> ||            || hardware-p-kernel-config-review       || 4 work items ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> ||            || hardware-p-kernel-delta-review        || 3 work items ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> ||            || foundations-p-ipv6                    || 1 work item  ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> || jsalisbury || other-p-bug-workflows                 || 1 work item  ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> || ogasawara  || hardware-p-kernel-config-review       || 3 work items ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> || tgardner   || hardware-p-kernel-delta-review        || 1 work item  ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> If your name is in the above table, please review your Alpha-2 work items.  Note that Alpha-2 is Thurs Feb 2.
[17:03] <ogasawara> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Blueprint: hardware-p-kernel-power-management (cking)
[17:04] <cking> Power Management:
[17:04] <cking>  * Framebuffer colours and backgrounds:
[17:04] <cking>    http://zinc.canonical.com/~cking/power-benchmarking/background-colour-and-framebuffer-compression/results.txt
[17:04] <cking>  * Framebuffer compression:
[17:04] <cking>    http://zinc.canonical.com/~cking/power-benchmarking/background-colour-and-framebuffer-compression/results.txt
[17:04] <cking>  * LVDS down clocking:
[17:04] <cking>    http://zinc.canonical.com/~cking/power-benchmarking/i915-lvds-downclocking
[17:04] <cking>  * Found a bunch of power consumption bugs relating to misbehaving applications,   see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-power-consumption
[17:04] <cking>  * Summary and wrap-up: http://zinc.canonical.com/~cking/power-benchmarking/notes
[17:04] <cking>  * pm-utils power.d updates now in Precise (thanks to pitti, slangasek)
[17:04] <cking> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Precise Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:04] <ogasawara> We rebased to v3.2.1 and uploaded linux-3.2.0-9.16 last friday.  I've
[17:04] <ogasawara> also started prepping Precise LBM and plan to also open the Q git repo.
[17:04] <ogasawara> Please keep in mind that Alpha 2 is nearing (Thurs Feb 2).  I plan on
[17:04] <ogasawara> uploading our final Alpha2 kernel on either the Friday or Monday prior
[17:04] <ogasawara> to the milestone.  For any patches needing to land in Alpha2, they need
[17:04] <ogasawara> to be sent and applied before next Friday, Jan 27.
[17:04] <ogasawara> ..
[17:05] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's (apw)
[17:05] <apw> [17:05] <apw>  
[17:05] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt
[17:05] <apw>  
[17:05] <apw> Currently open CVEs for each supported branch:
[17:05] <apw>  
[17:05] <apw> || Package                                  || Open       ||
[17:05] <apw> ||                                          ||            ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux Hardy                              ||   20 (+10) ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux Lucid                              ||   12 (+5)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux Maverick                           ||   13 (+5)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux Natty                              ||   13 (+4)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux Oneiric                            ||    9 (+2)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux Precise                            ||    7 (+1)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ec2 Lucid                          ||   12 (+5)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-fsl-imx51 Lucid                    ||   15 (+8)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-mvl-dove Lucid                     ||   11 (+4)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-mvl-dove Maverick                  ||   11 (+4)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Maverick                  ||   16 (+7)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Natty                     ||   12 (+3)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Oneiric                   ||    8 (+1)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Precise                   ||    7 (+1)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-lts-backport-maverick Lucid        ||   13 (+5)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-lts-backport-natty Lucid           ||   13 (+4)  ||
[17:05] <apw> || linux-lts-backport-oneiric Lucid         ||    9 (+2)  ||
[17:06] <apw>  
[17:06] <apw> In the last two weeks there have been 19 CVE added.  Many of these were
[17:06] <apw> older CVEs where fixes have already hit our trees so the fallout is
[17:06] <apw> somewhat mitigated.
[17:06] <apw>  
[17:06] <apw> ..
[17:06] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Oneiric/Natty/Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (bjf/herton)
[17:06] <bjf> Here is the status for the main kernels, until today (Jan. 17):
[17:06] <bjf>  
[17:06] <bjf>  * Hardy - 2.6.24-30.98
[17:06] <bjf>   * In updates. Next kernel will be prep'd next week.
[17:06] <bjf>  
[17:06] <bjf>  * Lucid - 2.6.32-38.82
[17:06] <bjf>   * In "regression testing". There has been a single report of a regression
[17:06] <bjf>     (bug 915788). However the submitter has been non-resposive since the
[17:06] <bjf>     initial report.
[17:06] <bjf>  
[17:06] <bjf>  * Maverick - 2.6.35-32.64
[17:06] <bjf>   * Waiting to be copied to updates.
[17:07] <bjf>  
[17:07] <bjf>  * Natty - 2.6.38-13.53
[17:07] <bjf>   * In "regression testing".
[17:07] <bjf>  
[17:07] <bjf>  * Oneiric - 3.0.0-15.25
[17:07] <bjf>   * In "regression testing".
[17:07] <bjf>  
[17:07] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:07] <bjf>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:07] <bjf>  
[17:07] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:07] <bjf>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:07] <bjf>  
[17:07] <bjf> Future stable cadence cycles:
[17:07] <bjf>  * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseInterlock
[17:07] <bjf> ..
[17:07] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:08] <jsalisbury> going once
[17:08] <jsalisbury> going twice
[17:08] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:08] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 17 17:08:47 2012 UTC.
[17:08] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-17-17.02.moin.txt
[17:08] <cking> thanks jsalisbury
[17:08] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury
[17:09] <smb> thanks jsalisbury
[20:02]  * bkerensa coughs
[20:02] <cprofitt> hello bkerensa
[20:02] <bkerensa> Did I somehow get the time wrong? :P
[20:02] <cprofitt> no
[20:02] <bkerensa> ok then :)
[20:03] <bkerensa> hi jhmextern jvlb
[20:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:04] <czajkowski> #meeting
[20:04] <TRAVISg> Hello all
[20:04] <jhmextern> hello
[20:04] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
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[20:04] <c_smith> hello
[20:04] <czajkowski> there we go
[20:04] <albrigha> hello
[20:04] <czajkowski> welcome to the loco council meeting
[20:04] <ivanb> Hi all
[20:04] <czajkowski> todays agenda is #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[20:04] <czajkowski> from the loco council we have present
[20:05] <ivanb> Hi from Montenegro team
[20:05] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: cprofitt greg-g xdatap1 itnet7
[20:05] <czajkowski> first tonight on the list is Montenegro
[20:05] <adam_g> o/
[20:06] <czajkowski> what will happen is I'll paste the link
[20:06] <czajkowski> the team contact wil tell us about the team
[20:06] <czajkowski> and the loco council will ask some questions
[20:06] <czajkowski> than we shall vote
[20:06] <tp0x45> ok
[20:06] <czajkowski> everyone ok
[20:06] <ivanb> ok
[20:06]  * cprofitt nods
[20:06] <czajkowski> #topic montenegro approval application
[20:06] <czajkowski> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MontenegroTeam/ApprovalApplication
[20:07] <czajkowski> tp0x45: hi there you're the team contact ?
[20:07] <tp0x45> hi, yes
[20:07] <tp0x45> there are also few other members here with me
[20:07] <czajkowski> ok
[20:07] <czajkowski> great
[20:07] <tp0x45> magio ivanb and shandy
[20:07] <tp0x45> the team exists since 2007
[20:08] <tp0x45> but we had sparse activity
[20:08] <cprofitt> raise your hand if you are with Montenegro
[20:08]  * tp0x45 raised hand :)
[20:08]  * ivanb raise hand 2 :)
[20:08] <shandy> o/
[20:08] <czajkowski> welcome and thanks for coming
[20:08] <shandy> :)
[20:08] <magio> o/
[20:08] <tp0x45> thanks! :)
[20:09] <tp0x45> there is more details on our wiki page
[20:09] <tp0x45> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MontenegroTeam
[20:09] <tp0x45> and there is lot more on our site
[20:09] <tp0x45> http://www.ubuntu-me.org/site/
[20:10] <czajkowski> ok
[20:10] <tp0x45> the most recent events are best seen on our "news" page
[20:10] <tp0x45> http://www.ubuntu-me.org/site/vijesti/
[20:10] <czajkowski> so firstly I see on lauchpad, which is what we base stuff on you have 19 members
[20:10] <tp0x45> we organized several events last year
[20:10] <czajkowski> #link https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-me
[20:10] <tp0x45> those would be active members that we are trying to motivate to get more active roles in the team
[20:10] <cprofitt> the website is well done.
[20:11] <czajkowski> tp0x45: can you tell us how you organise events?
[20:11] <tp0x45> the group has a very active Facebook group with around 280 members
[20:11] <czajkowski> nice site
[20:11] <tp0x45> we established a good relationship with University of Montenegro
[20:11] <tp0x45> most of the events took place at the university
[20:11] <czajkowski> tp0x45: thats nice but for approvals/re approvals we look at lp numbers as we use laucnhpad in the Ubuntu community y
[20:12] <tp0x45> we also try to organize presentations with some privately held universitiels
[20:12] <czajkowski> good stuff
[20:12] <cprofitt> tp0x45: how do you leverage facebook for loco activities?
[20:12] <tp0x45> and we try to keep the events logged and scheduled through ubuntu site
[20:12] <tp0x45> that is the main focus right now to move FROM facebook to our site/forum/wiki and launchpad
[20:12]  * cprofitt nods
[20:13] <tp0x45> FB is extremely popular in Montenegro (50% population is on it) and we cannot ignore it
[20:13] <tp0x45> we also reached out to the local media
[20:13] <czajkowski> tp0x45: indeed I do appreciate that
[20:13] <tp0x45> we have a good coverage in one of major daily newspapers
[20:13] <cprofitt> that is fantastic; I think making use of the Ubuntu specific resources helps bring local members to the greater global Ubuntu community
[20:13] <tp0x45> we just had a two page article on open source and ubuntu
[20:13] <tp0x45> http://www.vijesti.me/vijesti/open-source-je-prilika-koju-crna-gora-ne-smije-propustiti-clanak-55530
[20:13] <tp0x45> this was also published in the printed issue
[20:14] <tp0x45> we have a good relationship with online magazine BITonline
[20:14] <SergioMeneses> tp0x45, hi!...
[20:14] <tp0x45> and they report on our activities
[20:14] <tp0x45> we distributed 250 CDs in last 2-3 months
[20:14] <czajkowski> well done I'm sure that went down well
[20:14] <czajkowski> Can I ask why you don't do team report s?
[20:15] <tp0x45> we had couple of major presentations at university of montenegro, faculty of science, and university of donja gorica
[20:15] <tp0x45> we are trying to slowly migrate to launchapd, and ubuntu wiki... but the focus last year was on the website, wiki, forum
[20:15] <tp0x45> and ofcourse presentations
[20:16] <tp0x45> we also reached out to montenegrin government and we are trying to get their support to push open source and linux
[20:16] <cprofitt> Some solid progress then tp0x45
[20:16] <tp0x45> it is critical for us to get approved to become more seriously taken by the officials in various entities in Montenegro
[20:16] <czajkowski> greg-g: itnet7 xdatap1 any comments
[20:16] <cprofitt> tp0x45: I noticed that no events were planned so far for 2012; what is the reason for that?
[20:17] <ivanb> indeed there was a lot of stuff we done in last 2-3 months , mostly focused on presentation during new Ubuntu relasie
[20:17] <tp0x45> we usually plann them first on FB and via voice... then we document them on your site
[20:17] <SergioMeneses> tp0x45, why two wikis: http://wiki.ubuntu-me.org and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MontenegroTeam
[20:17] <czajkowski> tp0x45: while I do appreicate that, gting more people involved in the greated ubuntu community starts with using the tools there, so they learn about the community the CoC  and how to get involved in translations, Q&A and bugs
[20:18] <SergioMeneses> ivanb, ↑↑↑
[20:18] <tp0x45> one page is just info on the team on ubuntu sit
[20:18] <tp0x45> e
[20:18] <tp0x45> our wiki is in Montenegrin language
[20:18]  * cprofitt nods
[20:18] <czajkowski> but you cna have that on the Ubuntu wiki no ?
[20:18] <tp0x45> we got more than 50 pages in last 3 months since we put it up
[20:19] <SergioMeneses> tp0x45, oks!.. great!
[20:19] <tp0x45> we kind of looked at what other groups did
[20:19] <tp0x45> Romanian, Serbian, ...
[20:19] <tp0x45> they all had wiki on their site
[20:19] <xdatap1> tp0x45, are you doing translations on launchpad?
[20:20] <tp0x45> Ubuntu anc Canonical were kind of slow on replying on our enquiry regarding domain and website hosting
[20:20] <xdatap1> tp0x45, software translation i Mean
[20:20] <tp0x45> and we purchased our own domain and created site
[20:20] <SergioMeneses> tp0x45, nice wiki! really I like it
[20:20] <tp0x45> software translation is one of the challeanges ahead
[20:20] <tp0x45> Montenegrin language just recently took its own course
[20:21] <tp0x45> it was all serbo-crotian till yugoslavia fell appart
[20:21] <tp0x45> we are opening the communication with serbian team and other in the region regarding translations as it will be fairly similar
[20:21] <tp0x45> the issues are also that Montenegro is sitll lackin ISO code for language
[20:21] <tp0x45> and that is something we addressed to the university and government
[20:22] <tp0x45> we also put a nice forum there on the site
[20:22] <czajkowski> #voters cprofitt xdatap1 czajkowski SergioMeneses greg-g itnet7
[20:22] <meetingology> Current voters: SergioMeneses cprofitt czajkowski greg-g itnet7 xdatap1
[20:22] <tp0x45> fourm.ubuntu-me.org
[20:22] <xdatap1> tp0x45, yes, I saw it, nice work :)
[20:22] <tp0x45> we are trying to direct FB discussions to our forum
[20:22] <czajkowski> #vote please vote on the application of the Montenegro LoCo
[20:22] <meetingology> Please vote on: please vote on the application of the Montenegro LoCo
[20:22] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:23] <czajkowski> +1 I would like to see all the members added to launchpad and team reports started please.
[20:23] <meetingology> +1 I would like to see all the members added to launchpad and team reports started please. received from czajkowski
[20:23] <czajkowski> 19 on lp and 250 on fb is a bit backwards for my liking:) I'd prefer the other way around
[20:24] <tp0x45> I agree, I would like to see 30,000
[20:24] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: cprofitt xdatap1 greg-g please!
[20:24] <tp0x45> which is only 10% of Montenegro FB users :)
[20:24] <xdatap1> +1 I agree with what czajkowski said
[20:24] <meetingology> +1 I agree with what czajkowski said received from xdatap1
[20:25] <cprofitt> +1 I would like to see continued events planned using the loco portal loco.ubuntu.com - it causes me some concern to not see events planned at this point
[20:25] <meetingology> +1 I would like to see continued events planned using the loco portal loco.ubuntu.com - it causes me some concern to not see events planned at this point received from cprofitt
[20:25] <SergioMeneses> +1 good work
[20:25] <meetingology> +1 good work received from SergioMeneses
[20:26] <czajkowski> #endvote
[20:26] <meetingology> Voting ended on: please vote on the application of the Montenegro LoCo
[20:26] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:26] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:26] <nathwill> whoo!! :D congrats ubuntu-me!
[20:26] <czajkowski> ok
[20:26] <bkerensa> congrats
[20:26] <bkerensa> \o/
[20:26] <czajkowski> cprofitt: can you add the team to APPROVED loco and set expiration date for 2 years from now please
[20:26] <ivanb> Thanks ! :)
[20:26] <shandy> ty :)
[20:26] <TRAVISg> congrats
[20:26] <cprofitt> thank you Montenegro I look forward to hearing about the great things you do!!
[20:26] <tp0x45> thanks!!! this will be very helpful for us to continue and motivate more people to join!!!
[20:27] <tp0x45> thanks!
[20:27] <SergioMeneses> congrats!
[20:27] <ivanb> Thank You all !
[20:27] <magio> tnx
[20:27] <czajkowski> tp0x45: but please team reports !!!
[20:27] <czajkowski> #topic Ubuntu Oregon LoCo approval
[20:27] <bkerensa> Hello Council
[20:27] <czajkowski> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OregonTeam/ApprovalApplication
[20:28] <cprofitt> czajkowski: added
[20:28] <czajkowski> cprofitt: cheers
[20:28] <czajkowski> bkerensa: welcome can you tell us about the team and how things are done please?
[20:28] <bkerensa> Sure
[20:28]  * slangasek waves
[20:29] <bkerensa> I'm Team Lead and Nathwill is my Asst. Team Lead he shares leadership roles with me
[20:29] <nathwill> go oregon!
[20:29] <nathwill> ;)
[20:29] <c_smith> lol
[20:29] <bkerensa> We have about 8 members in channel right now
[20:29] <adam_g> o/
[20:29] <c_smith> *is a member*
[20:29] <cprofitt> raise your hand if you are with Oregon
[20:29] <TRAVISg> *Raises Hand*
[20:29] <albrigha> o/
[20:29] <jhmextern> raised hand
[20:29] <c_smith> *raise hand*
[20:29] <jvlb> Hand up.
[20:29]  * nathwill throws one up
[20:30] <czajkowski> bkerensa: well...
[20:30] <bkerensa> Anyways so right now our LoCo has focused on local advocacy for Ubuntu. We have regular meetings on IRC every month and we have release parties, global jams and booths at just about every tech event in the region
[20:31]  * slangasek raises hand
[20:31] <bkerensa> Ubuntu Oregon is spearheading a initiative to work with Western Oregon University to mentor students in Comp Sci about Ubuntu
[20:31] <bkerensa> Ubuntu Oregon will be starting to hold classes at the FreeGeek Community Center
[20:32] <c_smith> may I add one thing?
[20:32] <bkerensa> We also are working with other LUG's and User Groups to include OSU LUG, Debian Portland and also trying to help revive Salem LUG
[20:32] <czajkowski> cprofitt: shoot
[20:32] <czajkowski> c_smith: shoot
[20:32] <c_smith> k, Ubuntu Oregon is working on getting an event set up in Salem,
[20:32] <czajkowski> bkerensa: so do you do more lug work that Ubuntu work ?
[20:33] <nathwill> czajkowski, is that specific to bkerensa, or applicable to the group as a whole?
[20:33] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Well our involvement even with the LUG's it to try and advocate for Ubuntu
[20:33] <pleia2> bkerensa: it was really cool to see all the blog posts that came out of the combined debian-ubuntu event, very nice work with that :)
[20:33] <czajkowski> nathwill: anyone can answer stuff
[20:33] <czajkowski> we're asking the team
[20:34] <bkerensa> so by being involved with other LUG's we are trying to push Ubuntu and get people involved with Ubuntu if they choose
[20:34] <bkerensa> I think our recent event with Debian folks is a good example of how Ubuntu and Debian benefit from our work together
[20:35] <cprofitt> bkerensa: can you share a bit with the group about the teams previous activity
[20:35] <bkerensa> Surely
[20:35] <czajkowski> as there is nothing there prior to April
[20:35] <cprofitt> one of the issues we are always concerned with is sustained activity
[20:35] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Well prior to April tgm4883 was lead more on a defacto basis because the founder of Ubuntu Oregon had been deployed in the Army
[20:36] <bkerensa> I cannot speak in too much detail but by reviewing the mailing list and other mailing lists and in discussion with current and pass Oregon LoCo folks
[20:36] <czajkowski> right
[20:36] <bkerensa> I can see that regular meetings
[20:36] <bkerensa> and events did occur
[20:36] <bkerensa> however documentation was not up to par
[20:37] <bkerensa> I know that Ubuntu Oregon has had a booth at every OSCON
[20:37] <cprofitt> bkerensa: what about the future -- I see no events planned for the future on loco.ubuntu.com
[20:38] <c_smith> We are actually in the planning phase of the 12.04 Release party, and have several other evens being planned, too.
[20:38] <bkerensa> cprofitt: We are planning our Ubuntu 12.04 Release Party right now in fact I have an offer for sponsorship from PuppetLabs and am working with Dell for some other opps
[20:38] <nathwill> we're trying to nail down final details on a talk at the local Yahoo! office in ~ 2 wks
[20:38] <bkerensa> in March we will likely have another joint Ubuntu/Debian event
[20:38] <bkerensa> Ubuntu Oregon will be at Community Leadership Summit, Linux Fest NW and OSCON
[20:38] <cprofitt> does Oregon also use loco.ubuntu.com to schedule on-line meetings?
[20:38] <bkerensa> all of those events will be coming in the next few months
[20:38] <czajkowski> rght so you guys seem to attend a lot of conferences, what do you do at ground level
[20:39] <czajkowski> looking for team reports ?
[20:39] <bkerensa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OregonTeam/TeamReports
[20:39] <bkerensa> Well c_smith has been hosting Ubuntu Hours in Salem
[20:39] <bkerensa> and we hope to have some Ubuntu Hours on a regular basis here in Portland
[20:40] <bkerensa> I know that various members do provide support in #ubuntu from time to time and also provide support and advocate in their own towns and cities
[20:40] <c_smith> I can vouch that I try and help out on #ubuntu
[20:41] <TRAVISg> I have done installs for friends and co-workers
[20:41] <bkerensa> Also
[20:41] <bkerensa> I'm pushing an initiative to start distributing more CD's
[20:42] <bkerensa> as of right now I have been buying CD's out of pocket and distributing them but I'm hoping we might have a coordinated effort going forward to get more CD's out since they are in demand
[20:42] <cprofitt> bkerensa: you say a lot of 'I'... how much is the 'we' involved
[20:42] <nathwill> i support a couple of local ubuntu users, while trying to get them to join in on ubuntu-or events.
[20:42] <jhmextern> working in newport oregon trying to develop a group too
[20:42] <czajkowski> bkerensa: cool, many teams even approved teams like france get out many cds theyt produce themselves
[20:43] <bkerensa> cprofitt: c_smith holds Ubuntu Hours in Salem, jhmextern is working to get Ubuntu Hours and a group together in Newport and Nathwill on his own got us a talk at Yahoo
[20:43] <c_smith> JVLB and I have been working with bkerensa to try to get an event (which I already mention) going to try and educate people about Ubuntu in the Salem/Keizer area.
[20:43] <TRAVISg> I offer support to users I have helped switch over here in Portland
[20:43] <bkerensa> all of that they do on their own.... Our team are self starters
[20:43] <jvlb> Since 2006 I've helped about a dozen people switch to Kubuntu from Windows.
[20:44] <TRAVISg> Also have got the chance to talk to many folks about Ubuntu since sporting the 11.10 Shirt from our last release party
[20:44] <cprofitt> bkerensa: that is a good thing... my team recently lost some folks to relocation and I need to get more folks invovled... the weight of the team is already pretty heavy
[20:44] <cprofitt> teams become stronger as they get more people involved.
[20:45] <bkerensa> cprofitt: It is always a concern that our LoCo could become dormant again but honestly I dont see that happening we have been more sustainable ever since I took lead and I'm working with nathwill on forming a council so that going forward there is sustainability in our leadership
[20:45] <nathwill> we're doing a lot of work towards increasing interest in membership atm. the yahoo! talk is entirely about exposing a new group of users to foss/ubuntu
[20:45] <c_smith> brb
[20:45] <bkerensa> Notably we have quite a good partcipation on IRC
[20:46] <cprofitt> bkerensa: I understand that... I went through the same with New York
[20:46] <bkerensa> in comparison to other approved states
[20:46] <bkerensa> our events are big
[20:46] <cprofitt> When we were approved we had to show 12 months of sustained activity
[20:46] <cprofitt> bkerensa: are they big due to the loco or because they are pre-established events?
[20:46] <c_smith> back
[20:46] <czajkowski> bkerensa: my concern is I only ever see you and the application is you, team reports you, blogs you etc
[20:46] <bkerensa> they are big because of the LoCo
[20:46]  * kees raises his hand 15 min late ;)
[20:46] <bkerensa> Our release parties have very nice turnouts
[20:47] <bkerensa> atleast that is my opinion
[20:47] <cprofitt> bkerensa: I understand
[20:47] <cprofitt> I just wanted to make sure you were not countin oscon or something like that as a big event
[20:47] <slangasek> the local jam certainly wasn't a pre-established event
[20:47] <bkerensa> czajkowski: That is why I want to see a council going forward
[20:47] <jhmextern> distance plays a huge part, Oregon is a big state.
[20:48] <TRAVISg> I can say that the support and equipping I have gotten through the team has been invaluable in my being able to spread the word about FOSS/Ubuntu
[20:48] <bkerensa> czajkowski: c_smith actually does our website and blog and facebook
[20:48] <czajkowski> bkerensa: a council isnt an answer I'm afraid
[20:48] <c_smith> when I'm not busy running errands. :P
[20:48] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Our team reports also reflect blog posts from kees and slangasek who are loco members
[20:48] <nathwill> cprofitt, it should be noted that the team is delegating a lot of activity to people with an inclination. (e.g. wiki maintenance, mailing list administration, etc). bkerensa's not stuck shouldering everything.
[20:48] <czajkowski> bkerensa: unless you're a massive loco team like france or italy or brazil there is no need for a council
[20:48] <cprofitt> bkerensa: would you be worried about sustaining the activity over the next six months?
[20:49] <cprofitt> I would agree with czajkowski - New York was almost destroyed by over complicated unecessary structure
[20:49] <bkerensa> cprofitt: I do not think we would have a problem sustaining over the next six months
[20:49] <cprofitt> bkerensa: do you think your team would put the effort in regardless of approval status?
[20:50] <bkerensa> cprofitt: Yes... We don't exist because we seek approval we exist as a LoCo because we use Ubuntu and enjoy advocating for Ubuntu and FOSS
[20:50] <TRAVISg> True
[20:50] <jhmextern> nods in agreement
[20:50] <czajkowski> ok we're ready to vote
[20:50] <cprofitt> excellent answer... and the one I had to give when I was with New York
[20:50] <c_smith> I'll vouch for that view.
[20:50] <czajkowski> #vote please vote on the approval of Oregon loco
[20:50] <meetingology> Please vote on: please vote on the approval of Oregon loco
[20:50] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:50] <cprofitt> New York was turned down three times... and we continued on!
[20:51] <c_smith> NY, eh?
[20:52] <czajkowski> -1 I'd like to see you come back in 6-8 months there just isn't enough for me at present prior to 9 months ago
[20:52] <meetingology> -1 I'd like to see you come back in 6-8 months there just isn't enough for me at present prior to 9 months ago received from czajkowski
[20:52] <cprofitt> +0 I think the team has done excellent work, but I would like to see more sustained activity before granting approved status. I am encouraged by the strong amount of activity shown in the last six months and the number of people who made the meeting in the middle of their workday.
[20:52] <meetingology> +0 I think the team has done excellent work, but I would like to see more sustained activity before granting approved status. I am encouraged by the strong amount of activity shown in the last six months and the number of people who made the meeting in the middle of their workday. received from cprofitt
[20:53] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: xdatap1
[20:53] <xdatap1> -1 I would like to see you again in 6 months. You're doing a great job but the history is still short, so keep up the good work
[20:53] <meetingology> -1 I would like to see you again in 6 months. You're doing a great job but the history is still short, so keep up the good work received from xdatap1
[20:53] <SergioMeneses> +0 have done a great work but they need a little more!
[20:53] <meetingology> +0 have done a great work but they need a little more! received from SergioMeneses
[20:54] <czajkowski> #endvote
[20:54] <meetingology> Voting ended on: please vote on the approval of Oregon loco
[20:54] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:2 Abstentions:2
[20:54] <meetingology> Motion denied
[20:55] <czajkowski> hopefully in a few more months there will be more things to see and we can look again
[20:55] <czajkowski> thank you all for coming
[20:55] <nathwill> thanks for your time :)
[20:55] <TRAVISg> Yup gotta run back to work
[20:55] <c_smith> thanks for at least looking into it.
[20:55] <jhmextern> thank you
[20:55] <TRAVISg> Thanks for your time and consideration
[20:55] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: cprofitt xdatap1 can one of you update the team report and wiki with mins of the meeting
[20:55] <TRAVISg> We will knock your socks off in a few months
[20:56] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, I can do it
[20:56] <czajkowski> #action SergioMeneses update the wiki and team report
[20:56] <meetingology> ACTION: SergioMeneses update the wiki and team report
[20:56] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[20:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 17 20:56:40 2012 UTC.
[20:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-17-20.04.moin.txt
[20:56] <czajkowski> sweet
[20:56] <czajkowski> thanks folks
[20:56] <cprofitt> thanks everyone!
[20:57] <xdatap1> thanks everyone, see you soon!