[00:00] <bigcalm> Aha, not giving it 'net access during install worked! :D
[00:05] <AlanBell> this looks like how to connect menus to functions to do stuff https://answers.launchpad.net/unity/+question/158722
[00:07] <bigcalm> Anybody shop at Sainsbury's and know how to decipher their receipts?
[00:08] <bigcalm> BGTY TNA MY 3X80G
[00:08] <bigcalm> BGTY is Be Good To Yourself, but I can't workout TNA MY
[00:08] <ali1234> tuna mayo
[00:09] <bigcalm> YES!
[00:09] <bigcalm> Thank you :D
[00:09] <bigcalm> It's the 3 tin packs of ready mixed tuna mayo that Hayley has been buying
[00:10] <ali1234> hmm i didn't know you could get ready mixed tuna mayo
[00:11] <ali1234> well, not in a tin anyway
[00:13] <hamitron> ali1234, your life shall now be forever changed? ;)
[00:15] <ali1234> a little bit
[00:31] <bigcalm> subversion isn't in software centre for 12.04 - that's going to make my life difficult
[00:31] <ali1234> whaaaaat
[00:32] <ali1234> that makes no sense
[00:33] <bigcalm> Just a little
[00:33] <bigcalm> Well, it's there. But not available
[00:35]  * bigcalm pokes the software sources
[00:35] <bigcalm> That was it. Universe wasn't enabled
[00:35] <bigcalm> Weird
[06:52] <v14502424> hi! i've messed up my /usr/share permissions, can i get an advise on how to fix them?
[07:21] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> hi AlanBell
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> how's the pangolin treating you?
[07:22] <pangolin> I try to be nice to him as much as possible
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[07:23]  * AlanBell tickles pangolin 
[07:23]  * pangolin giggles
[07:23] <pangolin> kan I haz a cookie now?
[07:23] <AlanBell> !cookie
[07:24] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: it is kind of like oneiric, perhaps fractionally more polished in places
[07:25] <AlanBell> but some big things are not done yet
[07:25] <v14502424> hi! i've messed up my /usr/share permissions, can i get an advise on how to fix them?
[07:26] <AlanBell> and they have broken more things for orca users, some of them quite inexplicable regressions
[07:26] <AlanBell> v14502424: what did you do?
[07:27] <v14502424> well, i was compiling a kernel, so i moved share folder to ntfs partition due to limited /usr partition size
[07:28] <AlanBell> v14502424: pretty much everything there should be owned by root and should be -rw-r--r--
[07:28] <v14502424> what about the executables?
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> executables shouldn't be in /usr/share/
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> the most sure way would be to reinstall all your packages
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> Not necessaily a system re-install, dus dpkg -i (or apt-get --reinstall) everything you already have installed
[07:30] <kaushal> Hi
[07:31] <v14502424> thanks a lot!
[07:32] <AlanBell> v14502424: actually there are executables in there
[07:33] <kaushal> Hi AlanBell
[07:33] <kaushal> is there a way to log user details once a user logs in to the system ?
[07:33] <kaushal> I have auth.log and history
[07:34] <kaushal> user details like IP and username
[07:34] <kaushal> or do i need to have audit system in place
[07:35] <kaushal> and is there a way to prevent removing history ?
[07:35] <kaushal> of root user
[07:35] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/807125/ executable files under /usr/share, way more than I thought there would be
[07:36] <AlanBell> kaushal: there isn't much you can prevent the root user from doing
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: ah scripting languages. Of course.
[07:46] <kaushal> AlanBell: ok
[07:47] <kaushal> AlanBell: Please suggest about is there a way to log user details once a user logs in to the system
[07:47] <kaushal> is it done using audit system ?
[07:53] <AlanBell> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man8/auditd.8.html
[07:53] <AlanBell> something like that I imagine
[07:58] <kaushal> ok
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> you could send logs to a remote machine
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> but then you'd need to secure that one
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> in the end you need to trust someone
[08:04] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:07] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:07] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski how are you?
[08:09] <czajkowski> ntb
[08:09] <MooDoo> good good
[08:09] <MooDoo> to early eh! :)
[08:12] <czajkowski> just laying in bed
[08:12] <MooDoo> pah!
[08:12] <czajkowski> gets a bit boring
[08:12] <MooDoo> i'm at work, so yours seems the better idea
[08:14] <czajkowski> :)
[08:14] <czajkowski> tea time
[08:14] <czajkowski> bbiab
[08:14] <MooDoo> ;ater
[08:17] <christel> good morning
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:18] <MooDoo> morning christel MartijnVdS
[08:23] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[08:24] <daubers> Morning
[08:25]  * daubers eats a nice hot bowl of porridge
[08:29] <christel> omnomnom
[08:29] <christel> i should make breakfast
[08:29] <christel> i may copy you and do porridge
[08:29] <Seeker`> christel: you  can make me a cooked breakfast, if you like :P
[08:30] <christel> sure!
[08:32] <MooDoo> road trip to christel's house for brekkie
[08:32] <christel> i should bake stuff.. after my flourlol.
[08:33] <christel> MooDoo: did you hear how clever i was?
[08:33] <christel> unpacking my ocado delivery and realising that when i edited from 1 to 2 1KG bags of flour i'd managed to change to quantity to 20
[08:33] <christel> i now have 20KG of flour
[08:33] <Seeker`> oh dear :P
[08:33] <mattt> FLOUR!@
[08:33] <daubers> christel: Time to open that bakery
[08:33] <christel> hehe
[08:34] <christel> i am pretty certain i wouldn't make the same error if i was shopping in store rather than online!
[08:34] <MooDoo> christel: wow clever :)
[08:34] <bigcalm> christel: it would be difficult, but I'm sure you'd manage ;)
[08:35] <christel> very! you'd have thought i'd spot it from the basket total at the very least, but no :(
[08:35] <christel> bigcalm: oi!
[08:35] <christel> :P
[08:35]  * bigcalm squeezes christel :)
[08:35] <Seeker`> I bet they wondered what you are up to with all that flour
[08:38] <christel> hehe
[08:38] <christel> mind, i did order some squishy circuit stuff, maybe i should just use ALL the flour to make massive amounts of conducting and insulating dough
[08:39] <daubers> christel: Working for the american penal system now?
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> christel: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/35qguf/
[08:40] <christel> hahaha
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> christel: squishy circuit stuff? is that like sugru with embedded wires? :)
[08:40] <christel> haha sort of, though less effective for fixing stuff i guess!
[08:41] <christel> it's more like homemade playdough with wires (and blinky lights and stuff) -- it claims to be "fun for toddlers"
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> ooh
[08:41]  * MartijnVdS looks at the TED talk about it
[08:41] <MooDoo> christel: MartijnVdS i've sneaked a look at christels house http://s3-media4.ak.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/jqFQNJhvg2M1ujeXATKlCQ/l.jpg
[08:41] <christel> hahaha
[08:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all: Love this cartoon http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Groklaw-PJ-Tribute-204801749
[08:46] <christel> morning alan :)
[08:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning christel
[08:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> And everyone else BTW.
[08:50] <DJones> Morning all
[08:51] <MooDoo> mornign
[09:13] <daubers> \o/
[09:13] <MooDoo> howdy daubers
[09:14] <daubers> http://daubers.co.uk/~matt/lolfail.png
[09:15] <daubers> Error message of the day \o/
[09:16] <AlanBell> ooh, I know what that CD is
[09:17] <daubers> :) Slowly working my way through
[09:17] <daubers> then I can send some epic visualisation stuff to a potential customer
[09:17] <hoover> morning all
[09:18] <daubers> Should see if there's a bug about that really I suppose
[09:20] <daubers> I assume it's nautilus throwing that message?
[09:22] <bigcalm> Right, a day of tweaking 12.04 into a useable dev setup. 1st off, how does one install skype? :)
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: not part of a useable dev setup :P
[09:23] <daubers> bugzilla is rubbish
[09:27] <gord> bigcalm, apt-get install vim, done!
[09:41] <Myrtti> emacs
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> Holy war time
[09:42] <gord> bleeeh, i have a collection of ghibli films from one distributor. they happened to number them, 1-14. i have them all. but now they released the latest movie and gave it the number "6". what am i supposed to do with that >:(
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> gord: twitter angrily about it.
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> What else?
[09:42] <gord> thinking maybe scan it in and gimp it? i dunno
[09:43] <Myrtti> gord: do you have a list and a link?
[09:44] <gord> Myrtti, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Studio-Ghibli-Collection-DVD-Releases/lm/2YHXRBPUIU816
[09:45] <gord> but the company have decided to "start again" with the numbering for blu-ray double plays. but you can't get Arrietty on bluray without it being a double play
[09:46] <Myrtti> whoa
[09:46] <Myrtti> quite many I've not seen
[09:47]  * bigcalm remembers not to ask questions if he really needs some help
[09:50] <gord> the gem in that list that i hadn't seen until i built up the collection was whisper of the heart, which might take over princess mononoke as my second favourite ghibli movie
[09:50] <gord> it helps to see the cat returns first however, its a kind of semi sequel of a sort
[09:55] <JamesTait> Buenos días a todos!
[10:19] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:19] <MooDoo> morning s-fox
[10:19] <s-fox> Hello MooDoo
[10:19] <MooDoo> s-fox: how are you
[10:20] <s-fox> Nervous, excited, freaked out...
[10:20] <s-fox> Take your pick ;)
[10:20] <MooDoo> s-fox: wassup?
[10:20] <MooDoo> ah just seen your twitter
[10:20] <MooDoo> good luck
[10:20] <matti> MooDoo: :)
[10:20] <MooDoo> what position?
[10:20] <MooDoo> matti: ?
[10:21] <matti> MooDoo: Just smiling ;/
[10:21] <matti> :<
[10:21] <MooDoo> matti: oh, thank you :) lol
[10:21] <matti> :)
[10:21] <s-fox> Well I am nervous about the interview, php dev MooDoo
[10:21] <MooDoo> s-fox: ah you'll ace it.  You know php don't you?
[10:21] <s-fox> 5 years of experience.
[10:21] <s-fox> Might mean I know a bit
[10:21] <MooDoo> s-fox: well then nothing to worry about
[10:22] <s-fox> I am excited because my hunt for a new job is getting somewhere finally.
[10:22] <s-fox> Freaked out because I have had 2 other companies contact me in the last 36 hours.
[10:22] <s-fox> PANIC ;)
[10:23] <MooDoo> s-fox: don't panic, remain calm, and chill it's only an interview
[10:23] <MooDoo> lol
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> Valium o'lock
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> clock*
[10:25] <matti> Hi MartijnVdS ;]
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> hi :)
[10:26] <s-fox> Hello matti  :)
[10:31] <matti> Hi s-fox :)
[10:38] <bigcalm> Synergy is sending @ as q to my laptop. Makes setting up email tricky
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> well it kind of looks like a q doesn't it
[10:39] <smittix> Anyone had any dealings with gotoassist?
[10:39] <smittix> Need a decent remote support solution
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> smittix: cross-platform?
[10:41] <smittix> MartijnVdS: Yeah.
[10:41] <smittix> I was looking at Teamviewer.
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> smittix: teamviewer works but is expensive
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> TightVNC and RealVNC come with "reverse connection" options
[10:41] <smittix> I suppose I could roll them out via AD too.
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> (i.e. they connect to your listening client)
[10:46] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:46] <matti> Hi brobostigon
[10:46] <brobostigon> hi matti
[10:54] <davmor2> morning all
[10:54] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[10:55] <MooDoo> morning biatch, er i mean davmor2
[10:55] <brobostigon> ian hislop at the enquiry, interesting, talking about private eye.
[10:55] <davmor2> MooDoo: Morning you owld hipster you
[10:56] <MooDoo> davmor2: how's it hanging?  still trying to annoy czajkowski i see, good on ya
[10:56] <davmor2> MooDoo: I figure her's well enough now for a gentle goad
[10:57]  * brobostigon watches and listens carefully, and would like a recording.
[10:57] <AlanBell> brobostigon: where?
[10:57] <brobostigon> AlanBell: bbc news 24.
[10:57] <awilkins> Stupid idea : Is there a screencasting solution that will record RDP?
[10:57] <bigcalm> Has anybody here got Skype running on 12.04 alpha1?
[10:58] <awilkins> It would seem to be a total no-brainer - a protocol designed to convey your screen to a remote client with a minimum of bandwidth should be eminently suitable for screencasting.
[10:58] <MartijnVdS> I hear you've just volunteered
[10:59] <AlanBell> awilkins: you can do it with vnc
[11:00] <awilkins> AlanBell, But doesn't VNC record the video of your whole screen? I'm aware you can screencast / record with VNC but I've yet to get it working satisfactorily on Windows
[11:01] <awilkins> I shall have another go with a more recent build of VNC.
[11:01]  * Myrtti observes minute of silence on the 404 of jaiku.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9RwkNVqtog
[11:01] <awilkins> This is for muggles to make me recordings of the use of features in tools so we can comprehend / optimize the UI
[11:01] <AlanBell> awilkins: doesn't RDP do the whole screen?
[11:02] <awilkins> AlanBell, It does, but the protocol is pretty tight - it will work over a modem. The only thing that comes close in my experience is NX
[11:02] <awilkins> It just seems a perfect way to capture screencasts in very little bandwidth
[11:02] <AlanBell> is there an RDP server for Ubuntu?
[11:02] <awilkins> AlanBell, There's a client, but I'm not aware of a server
[11:03] <awilkins> But this is for recording Windows sessions :-)
[11:03] <awilkins> Aha, xrdp
[11:04] <awilkins> http://www.xrdp.org/
[11:04] <AlanBell> !info xrdp precise
[11:05] <awilkins> So presumably you could add a timebase to a serialized RDP stream and get a very tight screencast
[11:05] <AlanBell> depends how chatty it is about missing bits
[11:16] <awilkins> Is there a way I can change the "VPN Connection Successful" notifier popup to tell me the IP address I've been allocated - just a matter of convenience, so I know which IP address to feed into another terminal?
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: not wihtouht hacking the source
[11:32] <bigcalm> The python script I have to use to connect to a client's VPN tells me the IP address I've been allocated
[11:32] <bigcalm> One could grep ipconfig maybe
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> not ifconfig, ip
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> ifconfig = old & busted
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> ip addr = new hotness
[11:39] <davmor2> awilkins: 2 things you can try looking under vpn on n-m under edit Connections,  or look at the options in xrdp
[11:39]  * brobostigon is reminded of men in black, with MartijnVdS's statement there.
[11:39] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yes, just got it working
[11:40] <AlanBell> bigcalm: run it from a terminal, I got skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXv.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:41] <AlanBell> bigcalm: and I did sudo apt-get install libxv1:i386 and now it works
[11:41] <AlanBell> as much as skype ever works
[11:47] <bigcalm> AlanBell: great, thanks
[11:58] <bigcalm> AlanBell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/807289/
[12:01] <AlanBell> oh :( try sudo apt-get install ia32-libs
[12:02] <BigRedS>    Anyone got any experience writing Apache2 modules? I want to intercept some of its logging and ideally change what's logged and how, alternatively just Do Stuff on certain things being logged. More wondering about the feasibility than after an actual tutorial right now.
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: you can set log formats and pipe to programs
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: is that not enough? :)
[12:04] <bigcalm> AlanBell: should I install the 32bit version from skype.com then?
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Writing a module using mod_perl2 or mod_python would be the easiest I guess
[12:04] <AlanBell> bigcalm: no, the '64 bit' version is 32bit with a veneer of 64ness to it
[12:04] <bigcalm> Ok
[12:04] <bigcalm> And install the dependancies before skype?
[12:04] <AlanBell> don't think that matters
[12:05] <AlanBell> or the dependencies are wrong now I think
[12:05] <AlanBell> or they get put in the wrong place
[12:05]  * AlanBell hasn't really got a clue
[12:11] <bigcalm> Might have to leave it until this evening. It's not coming easy
[12:17] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: turns out the reason that cakephp 1.1 can run on php 5.3 is APC was installed. Found out by trying to run the project on a new system without apc
[12:17] <bigcalm> Hi btw
[12:20] <bigcalm> Might put the HDD back in the laptop so that I can be productive in London tomorrow
[12:24] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: :/
[12:34] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: Belated thanks! I'd not noticed the mod_perl approach. Should be a good deal easier than subduing C :)
[12:58] <s-fox> I will be back later. Goodbye.
[13:22] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: it's odd. apc provides a compatibility layer?
[13:22] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: could be cached
[13:23] <bigcalm> From when? I checked out the project on a fresh ubuntu 12.04 install. Site didn't work. Installed php-apc. Site worked
[13:23] <simondbull> who here reads OMG! Ubuntu! ?
[13:24] <oimon> simondbull: why you ask?
[13:24] <oimon> some of us here do
[13:24] <bigcalm> But by no means all
[13:25] <simondbull> oimon:just wondering about people's opinions on it
[13:25] <ali1234> garbage
[13:25] <oimon> it caters to a certain audience
[13:25] <simondbull> oimon: i guess it does
[13:25] <oimon> and has its uses.
[13:26] <davmor2> I read some of it's stuff along with half a dozen others
[13:26] <ali1234> not quite as bad as the register though
[13:27] <simondbull> omg is brilliant for thiose who want to publicsize software
[13:27] <oimon> they certainly have a high readership, and are influential
[13:27] <AlanBell> it is a tabloid
[13:28] <oimon> a lot of readers (judging by the comments on OMG) look like reactionary, influential teenage redditor types
[13:28] <oimon> if it excites the kids into getting involved then great
[13:28] <simondbull> yeap, it looks as if its opular among the 20-somthings too
[13:29] <popey> a lot of canonical people read it
[13:29] <popey> and the comments
[13:29] <gord> i don't read omg, but i do read reddit
[13:29] <oimon> i dare say it has a better reputation more recently compared with some inflammatory articles a couple of years ago
[13:29] <gord> well the reddit.com/r/ubuntu bit anyway
[13:29] <oimon> gord i've seen you on reddir
[13:30] <simondbull> it looks as OMG! is an integral platform for canonical developers to find out what the people think of certain topics.....
[13:30] <oimon> reddit/ubuntu is just re-posts of omg articles anyway
[13:30] <popey> i pretty much never go to reddit
[13:32] <gord> i tend to skim over it in the morning instead of filtering through rss feeds
[13:32] <gord> never found an rss reader that i get on with
[13:32] <oimon> liferea now supports google reader
[13:32] <Oli``> Liferea is the closest I've got to happy.
[13:34] <gord> supports google reader how?
[13:34] <gord> if its via the export thing in google reader then i don't want it
[13:35] <oimon> gord: allows you to access/update feeds setup in google reader
[13:36] <oimon> gord: http://ubuntuone.com/6wonY9vagG27VaNefb2ARL
[13:37] <oimon> for a long time it didn't support tags/folders from goog but now it does
[13:39] <oimon> i notice banshee amazon revenue is increasing rapidly
[13:39] <oimon> (http://jaap.haitsma.org/2010/12/27/getting-close-to-1000-gnone-amazon-affiliate-fees-november-2010/)
[13:59] <bigcalm> I do wish that Rhythmbox had better buffering for last.fm
[14:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: it uses the live feed rather than buffering iirc
[14:01] <bigcalm> Then I wish last.fm had more bandwidth ;)
[14:01] <bigcalm> I don't recall it being this intermittent on the website
[14:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: have a look at gconf-editor type thing and see if you can see if there is a buffer limit for it and if there is increase it :)
[14:15]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 
[14:15]  * MooDoo hugs czajkowski and davmor2 then stabs them both for being sucky
[14:15]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski how's the back now
[14:18] <czajkowski> nurse is happy with the healing
[14:18] <czajkowski> still need to keep it covered and change bandages every 2nd day
[14:18] <davmor2> czajkowski: Woohoo soon the barrage begins
[14:19] <czajkowski> davmor2: and I've still not threatened any harm this year so faar
[14:19] <gord> they must of removed your hate spleen when you were under
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> "hate spleen"?
[14:20] <davmor2> czajkowski: Yeah but I've mostly been nice to you due to injury :P
[14:20] <czajkowski> gord: awwww I've always loved you!!!
[14:20] <gord> why doesn't liferea scroll with new feeds?
[14:25] <daubers> Weeeeeeeeeeee spinny triangles
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> daubers: whee, OpenGL 101 done?
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> daubers: now.. fragment shaders..
[14:26] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Doo wha? Now I need to make some rectangles
[14:27] <daubers> and then cuboids
[14:27] <gord> out of felt?
[14:27] <gord> for teacher?
[14:27]  * davmor2 tickles czajkowski to test her reflexes
[14:27] <czajkowski> no_tickles sorry
[14:27] <czajkowski> :)
[14:28] <davmor2> czajkowski: man you feet move fast though ;)
[14:28] <czajkowski> this was my back last week - http://twitpic.com/85koay
[14:28] <gord> ouchy
[14:29] <czajkowski> so no poking tickling me please :)
[14:29] <czajkowski> or as someone tried to do recetly pat me on the back
[14:29] <davmor2> hahaha oh genius why didn't I think of that
[14:30] <daubers> gord: If I can make cuboids then I'm more or less done what I need to do \o/ Then I just need to make the colours change with different states
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> daubers: no fragment shaders?
[14:30] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Dunno what they are :)
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> Pixel shaders, also known as fragment shaders, compute color and other attributes of each pixel. :)
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> They can alter the depth of the pixel (for Z-buffering), or output more than one color if multiple render targets are active.
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shader
[14:31] <daubers> Why would I need those to just make some spinny boxes :)
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I thought you wanted shiny spinny boxes
[14:32] <czajkowski> davmor2: any word on the house?
[14:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: try and pick the right person deary :p
[14:33] <czajkowski> bugger
[14:33] <czajkowski> daubers: any word on the house
[14:33] <daubers> czajkowski: They didn't accept my offer. Again wanted more than the house was worth
[14:34] <daubers> dumb people
[14:34] <davmor2> czajkowski: language mrs
[14:34] <czajkowski> yes dear
[14:34] <czajkowski> daubers: oh noes :/
[14:34] <daubers> czajkowski: Meh, their loss. Just keep looking
[14:35] <daubers> As much as I want a house, I'm not willing to lose a) money and b) sleep over it
[15:51] <daubers> !ping
[15:51] <daubers> !ping
[15:51] <daubers> Silly semi intelligent bot
[15:57] <bigcalm> !ping
[15:57] <bigcalm> !ping
[15:57] <jutnux> !ping
[15:57] <bigcalm> It ignores you if you ask again too quickly
[15:57] <bigcalm> Anti-flood protection
[15:59] <oimon> Unbelievable as it may seem, laptop LCD displays actually have to work harder to display dark colours than light colours. A full black background may consume ~0.5% to 1% more power than a fully white background.
[15:59] <oimon> i learned a few things today, this was one of them
[15:59] <jutnux> But a dark background won't blind you at 4am in the mroning.
[15:59] <AlanBell> hmm, yes, that is kind of true
[15:59] <oimon> jutnux: 4am is for sleeping
[16:00] <jutnux> oimon: Not if there is work to be done.
[16:00] <oimon> if you're working at 4am , someone somewhere has done a fail
[16:00] <jutnux> Indeed
[16:01] <oimon> or you're a night shift worker
[16:02] <gord> or you just enjoy your job too much and forgot to stop working ;)
[16:02] <gord> i have a little alarm now that tells me its 6pm so that i stop working
[16:02] <oimon> is it beer on a stick?
[16:03] <jutnux> I'm 15, I have no such job, just freelancing ;-)
[16:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: on a plus side at least you can use last.fm in rb :D
[16:07] <MooDoo> 15?  blimey
[16:07] <bigcalm> davmor2: rb?
[16:07] <bigcalm> Oh
[16:07] <bigcalm> Yes
[16:07] <bigcalm> It's got that going for me
[16:07] <bigcalm> s/me/it
[16:08] <jutnux> MooDoo: blimey?
[16:08] <MooDoo> jutnux: i'm 25 years older lol
[16:10] <davmor2> MooDoo: 15 do you remember those days, when the mullet was the only hair style and madonna and mj ruled the chart
[16:10] <davmor2> mind you the rock and metal were better then
[16:10] <bigcalm> \m/
[16:12] <jutnux> Metal \o/
[16:12] <gord> Wood! \o/
[16:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: however it is our fault that the ozone is dying all those lighters being lit for the famous songs
[16:13] <davmor2> brick \o/
[16:13] <MooDoo> davmor2: oh yeah :D and luminous green pop socks for the girls
[16:13] <gord> heh lighters, have you been out to see bands recently? iphones ;)
[16:13] <oimon> lame
[16:13] <davmor2> gord: just not the same though dude
[16:14] <gord> saw an app to imitate a lighter on an iphone once. ain't fooling anyone
[16:15] <mgdm> heheh
[16:15] <oimon> too many hipsters at concerts nowadays
[16:16] <jutnux> I went to a Bonjovi one and was swarmed by old, drunken men.
[16:16] <oimon> are you male/female?
[16:16] <jutnux> Male.
[16:16] <jutnux> I also got the ticket for free :-)
[16:16] <oimon> i went to see the pixies 20years ago and it was the loudest thing i'd ever heard
[16:17] <gord> you haven't roomed with people at UDS then, easily the loudest snoring in the world ;)
[16:17] <oimon> beaten only by the 10 minutes of white noise during MBV's you made me realise.
[16:18] <jutnux> [#ubuntu-uk]
[16:18] <jutnux> Whoops.
[16:37] <oimon> i have a win laptop beside me to test something. must have clicked the "gonna restart in 15 mins, restarrt later" thing about 20 times in a row before getting annoyed enough to open services.msc and stopped the flipping service. one of my most hated thing about windows
[16:40] <awilkins> oimon, Yeah, I find that a real PITA when playing games
[16:41] <oimon> wow, i can imagine
[16:41] <awilkins> Pops up behind the game session silently and then drops dead 5 mins later
[16:41] <awilkins> "TWing!"    <nooooooooooooo!>
[16:41] <oimon> GameOS doesn't need updates so proactively if you don't run other apps on it
[16:43] <awilkins> oimon : re: dark backgrounds
[16:43] <awilkins> I know there are TV sets that have regional backlight control and actually dim the backlight in dark areas to give better black
[16:44] <awilkins> But a return to displays being light emitters instead of light filterers will surely be welcomed...
[16:45] <awilkins> .. if only because you can pull off the same fancy passive 3D you can in a cinema with an emissive display rather than a filterer
[16:45] <awilkins> Well, not QUITE the same
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> REgional backlight control?
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> Gives off more light in a "dark" neighborhood? ;)
[16:50] <awilkins> Yeah, in the Nordic countries they are configured to avert Seasonal Affective Disorder
[16:50] <awilkins> 5 mins phototherapy a day, disguised as the "Architect" scene from the Matrix to account for all the white light
[16:52] <oimon> someone's been down the pub
[16:53] <oimon> tomorrow's the day for making wild claim's, since wikipedia will be down, and i haven't mirrored it lately
[17:01] <DJones> oimon: No wikipedia.....How will kids do their homework? They might have to actually look it up themselves and then be surprised when they get a higher mark for being more accurate :)
[17:01] <oimon> DJones: more importantly how will journalists write their articles/
[17:02] <DJones> If they're anything like a sports reporter, they'll just trawl through supporter/club messageboards & report any rumours as fact like normal
[17:02] <awilkins> My daughter (7) has been told specifically not to use Wikipedia
[17:03] <oimon> unless she is updating it :P
[17:03] <awilkins> To do her homework with...
[17:03] <oimon> i don't like the angle taken by a lot of articles
[17:03] <DJones> oimon: Did you mean updating or correcting
[17:04] <oimon> either/or
[17:04] <awilkins> ... I support the position that you can use Wikipedia as long as you corroborate your work by looking elsewhere.. And no cut'n'paste
[17:05] <oimon> don't use WP as a reference.
[17:05] <oimon> but as a link to sources.
[17:05] <oimon> although all your schoolmates will do the same
[17:05] <oimon> so real knowledge is a bonus
[17:06] <jutnux> awilkins: simple wikipedia is good
[17:06] <jutnux> I like to use Wikipedia to aid my research and put it into my own words, meaning I do actually learn something in the end.
[17:07] <oimon> some people use reddit as their source of knowledge and poltical stance
[17:09] <DJones> I'm always loathe to trust anything on wikipedia given the way anyone can edit it and some of the edits that get done don't have any truth in them & get done to wind people up, it might only be a tiny minority but it taints the whole thing
[17:15] <jutnux> DJones: To be fair the false articles get changed pretty quick
[17:27] <ali1234> ffs
[17:27] <ali1234> wikipedia is an encyclodpedia
[17:27] <ali1234> you don't cite an encyclopedia
[17:27] <ali1234> you look at what it cites and then you go and read those articles
[17:28] <ali1234> if you are doing it right nobody can ever even tell you are using it
[17:28] <ali1234> i wish someone had explained things like this to me when i was at school
[17:29] <ali1234> the fact that teachers can say things like "don't use wikipedia" with a straight face just demonstrates that even they don't know how to do research
[17:29] <ali1234> and then they wonder why the kids just copy and paste from some website
[17:29] <ali1234> it's cause you haven't taught them properly idiot
[17:37] <ali1234> specifically the reason this makes me so angry is because it's an appeal to authority
[17:37] <ali1234> so rather than teach how to refer to the sources and critically examine them, they are just teaching "wikipedia is unreliable because i say so"
[17:38] <ali1234> which is exactly the kind of thinking that makes wikipedia unreliable in the first place
[17:58] <gord> bumped up the laptop ram from 2gb to 8gb :) now i can run a web browser *and* an email client at the same time
[17:59] <hamitron> you rebel
[17:59] <hamitron> ;)
[18:02] <gord> also, ram is really really cheep
[18:02] <mrevell> Can anyone recommend a USB web cam?
[18:02] <gord> its like, screw it, maybe i'll just get 8gb in every machine i own
[18:03] <hamitron> yeh, I jumped to 8gb also, didn't realise how much difference it actuyally makes
[18:03] <Supermanintights> anyone know how to get a global inbox for thunderbird - imap/pop mix?
[18:04] <davmor2> mrevell: I got a logitech one that seems to be fine
[18:05] <mrevell> erk, my Logitech no longer works with most things. Sort of works in Cheese
[18:11] <czajkowski> mrevell: did you break it or has it been chewed
[18:12] <czajkowski> gah virgin media is being a bit special
[18:12] <mrevell> czajkowski, Driver just stopped workign I think
[18:12] <gord> mrevell, sort of works but its like its got no colour but some parts of it do, but its a weird colour?
[18:13] <mrevell>  It was fine on 10.10 I think.
[18:13] <mrevell> gord: Precisely :)
[18:13] <gord> mrevell, don't get a new webcam
[18:13] <gord> its fine
[18:13] <mrevell> Hooray
[18:13] <gord> linux went wobbly
[18:13] <mrevell> Damn Linux.
[18:13] <gord> iirc if you change the resolution you should find one that "fits", hopefully fixed in later revisions
[18:13] <czajkowski> it'll never catch on
[18:13] <mrevell> It works not at all with Skype, though. Damn, I have to go afk. I asked my question at the wrong time. Okay, I'm glad to know I have hope.
[18:13] <gord> happened to my laptops webcam too and some friends laptop webcams
[18:13] <czajkowski> gord: where would we be with out you!
[18:13] <mrevell> thanks gord and others :)
[18:17] <gord> you'd be without the ability to make silly faces in cheese thats for sure
[18:18] <czajkowski> and have gone out and nought a new cam and not needed it
[18:18] <czajkowski> gord: next tieI see you there shal be some custard creams!
[18:39] <ali1234> logitech c910. 1080p, built in microphone. works perfectly even with skype.
[19:02] <s-fox> Hello, anyone around?
[19:02] <smittix> Evening s-fox
[19:03] <s-fox> smittix, Hello. Could you check a link for me please? http://ubuntuforums.org/
[19:03] <smittix> Yup it's working.
[19:03] <s-fox> Okay, thank you
[19:04] <smittix> Funny that you ask that though. Im trying to get on some websites I use and I cannot ask them. Can't sign into MSN messenger either.
[19:04] <s-fox> It is the only website I can not access smittix.
[19:04] <s-fox> ;)
[19:05] <s-fox> Oh well, looks like a busy night for me. Thanks smittix
[19:11] <dwatkins> smittix: does downforeveryoneorjustme.com help?
[19:16] <smittix> dwatkins: Looks like there is a problem in my local area.
[19:16] <smittix> A neighbour has just been round asking me about the same issues.
[19:17] <smittix> Do you have to have a certain number of posts on Ubuntuforums before you can edit your profile/avatar?
[19:20] <Neoti> any one in here from nottingham and on virginmedia..... think there having problems can anyone confirm ?
[19:20] <smittix> Yup
[19:21] <Neoti> :(
[19:21] <smittix> What site's can't you access? I can't get on MSN or Ebay at the minute.
[19:21] <smittix> Even virginmedia's service status is down.
[19:21] <Neoti> i can access facebook and twitter ok... slow though.... but cant connect to most of the sites i use etc...
[19:22] <Neoti> also over VPN i can not connect to my main computer in the office yet i can connect to a server on the same lan in the office ... Strange ...
[19:22] <smittix> hmm haven't tried my office's vpn.
[19:23] <Neoti> first thing i did ... as im tech support for my company ... lol
[19:23] <dwatkins> https://national.virginmedia.com/service-announcements/status says there's a fault with Virgin's ADSL service, not sure where the details are as the other page listed is offline, ironically.
[19:23] <nothingspecial> smittix, Welcome to Ubuntu Forums :)
[19:23] <smittix> Neoti: Im the IT Manager for mine and the first thing i checked was ebay :/
[19:23] <smittix> heh
[19:23] <Neoti> LOLz
[19:23] <smittix> nothingspecial: :)
[19:23] <nothingspecial> ;)
[19:23] <dwatkins> smittix: better than just opening Google - that might be cached :)
[19:23] <smittix> Yeah can't access my VPN either.
[19:24] <Neoti> smittix where do you work ?
[19:25] <smittix> A Large Healthfoods distribution company. You?
[19:25] <Neoti> a telecommunications company who do SIP and voip etc... loz
[19:25] <dwatkins> I wish they all did, would save me a bunch of hassle
[19:25] <dwatkins> I think BT's home hub does VoiP, but not very transparently
[19:26] <smittix> Neoti: In Derby at all?
[19:26] <Neoti> lol i dont like the BT speed hub...
[19:26] <Neoti> im based in Notts... what company was you thinking of ?
[19:26] <dwatkins> Neoti: me neither - I just logged a fault with BT as mine drops out 4 or 5 times a day
[19:27] <Neoti> yeah and the voip is crap on it ... if you want to run some voip phones the speed hub bassically blocks it...
[19:27] <smittix> Neoti: I was thinking of NODE4
[19:27] <Neoti> unless you use BTs voip. sip service... lol
[19:27] <Neoti> smittx i knew you was thinking that ...
[19:27] <Neoti> i love node4
[19:27] <smittix> Me too heh
[19:27] <Neoti> do you work for them ?
[19:28] <smittix> no, they support our switches.
[19:28] <Neoti> lol cool bean ... small world...
[19:28] <smittix> Indeed.
[19:28] <smittix> Where abouts in nottingham are you?
[19:29] <Neoti> just off mansfield road, near forest fields.
[19:29] <smittix> nothingspecial: So what's the deal with the avatar change?
[19:29] <smittix> Neoti: ahh is that where you work or live?
[19:29] <Neoti> live
[19:29] <smittix> Cool
[19:29] <Neoti> u?
[19:29] <nothingspecial> from a fairy to a evil sorcerer :)
[19:30] <smittix> Neoti: Cinderhill
[19:30] <Neoti> cool.... looking to hire any IT geeks like me ?
[19:31] <nothingspecial> smittix, power >:{
[19:31] <smittix> Neoti: I might be soon but it will be general admin tasks.
[19:31] <Neoti> such as ?
[19:31] <nothingspecial> smittix, or do you mean yours?
[19:31] <smittix> AD related stuff, Monitoring logs setting users up etc
[19:32] <smittix> nothingspecial: Mine, I can't edit my profile details at all.
[19:32] <Neoti> sounds cool......
[19:32] <nothingspecial> smittix, you need 50 support posts unfortunately
[19:33] <nothingspecial> anti-spam measure
[19:33] <smittix> nothingspecial: Ahh that's ok. I better see where I can help then.
[19:34] <nothingspecial> smittix, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1836816
[19:36] <smittix> Thanks
[19:37] <nothingspecial> no problem
[19:39]  * Neoti taking a relaxing shower.... bliss .... back soon.... hopfully will have some internetz!!! :P
[19:39] <smittix> nothingspecial: Well, only 48 posts to go. It took me years to get to 2.
[19:40] <nothingspecial> I'm sure you'll be there in no time, I have loads and I don't know the first thing about computers :)
[19:42] <smittix> HEH
[19:43] <smittix> Right, finish off my new laptop's ubuntu install. bbl
[19:43] <nothingspecial> cya smittix :)
[20:07] <gord> bleh, so windows 8 has a new file system. took forever for ntfs to get good on linux :(
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> exFAT? :P
[20:08] <jutnux> gord: Darn Microsoft
[20:10] <gord> to be honest, ntfs needs replacing, but still, annoying
[20:10] <jutnux> To leave laptop or not to leave laptop on
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> jutnux: Yes!
[20:10] <jutnux> In fact, I better clone it.
[20:10] <jutnux> To save the torture or reinstalling (not so hard) and making Arch & Openbox (hard) look nice.
[20:11] <daubers> ~Evening
[20:14]  * jutnux waves to daubers 
[20:37] <brobostigon> gnome2* and linux on bbc stargazing, being used at the observitory they are at.
[20:57] <DJones> brobostigon: Are they still at Jodrell Bank?
[20:57] <brobostigon> DJones: yes.
[20:58] <brobostigon> DJones: but the observation wasnt there, i dont think.
[20:58] <DJones> Thought they would, its all over local radio as its onlt 25 miles (ish) away from where I live
[20:58] <brobostigon> ah.
[20:59] <DJones> They're doing a week long special on the radio as well
[20:59] <brobostigon> i didnt know, interesting.
[21:00] <jutnux> Has it just started?
[21:00] <jutnux> DJones: Does your local radio happen to be Radio Norfolk?
[21:00] <DJones> jutnux: No, Radio Manchester
[21:03] <popey> Evening all
[21:03] <DJones> Probably more local is Radio Merseyside, but I normally listen to Manchester as its pretty much the same distance
[21:04]  * jutnux waves at popey
[21:04] <jutnux> DJones: Ah right.
[21:05] <jutnux> Oh hurry up CloneZilla
[21:07]  * DJones clones jutnux ....Oh Damm.... Two of them now :)
[21:07] <smittix> what's a nice terminal font?
[21:08] <smittix> I fancy a change
[21:17] <jutnux> Terminus
[21:18] <jutnux> DJones: Two times the sexiness ;-)
[21:31] <jutnux> Now going, adios.
[21:51] <brobostigon> skypr for android working, on my tablet.
[21:51] <brobostigon> skype*
[21:51] <brobostigon> very weird, compared to the normal client.
[21:52] <gord> its been so long since i have successfully managed to get the "normal" client to work, that i've lost any identity of a normal skype client
[21:53] <brobostigon> ah, i see.
[21:53] <brobostigon> that is what it has done with the contacts, using android contact sync.
[21:53] <gord> its the one that looks like its from the 90s right?
[21:54] <brobostigon> wonder if i can do filtering.
[21:54] <brobostigon> kinda.
[21:54] <gord> i remember the windows client being prettier at least
[21:55] <brobostigon> i would rather it behaved in an expected simple way, and itdidnt.
[22:02] <smittix> Does anyone else use any 3rd party themes? Im after something different.
[22:06] <smittix> brobostigon: What tablet do you have?
[22:06] <brobostigon> smittix: scroll 7 inch capacitive.
[22:06] <smittix> I have an Advent Vega 10" Sitting in a cupboard.
[22:07] <swat_> brobostigon: any good?
[22:07] <smittix> 4 months old and I don't use it
[22:07] <smittix> shame really
[22:07] <brobostigon> swat_: mostly, yes, i need to either do further tweaking to the android they have put on it or make my own, otherwise, works fine.
[22:10] <swat_> brobostigon: interesting
[22:11] <brobostigon> swat_: for example, it still had some of the telephony stack, which is ointless on a tablet.
[22:12] <swat_> aye
[22:12] <brobostigon> swat_: two issues are going to be, if i custom android for it, is the wifi and the hdmi output.
[22:20] <brobostigon> good night, sleep well.
[22:33] <AlanBell> !ping
[22:35] <AlanBell> !ping
[22:36] <AlanBell> back on irssi
[22:37] <bigcalm> Bit quiet for you, AlanBell?
[22:39] <AlanBell> smuxi was reasonable, but lacks a hilight window and doesn't tell you about hilights in tabs that are off screen
[22:39] <AlanBell> plus irssi works nicely on my phone
[22:42] <gord> come to the light side, setup znc and use whatever client you want ;)
[22:43] <AlanBell> I want to use irssi, until I find a better one
[22:46] <Laney> did you file feature requests? :-)
[22:48] <AlanBell> http://www.smuxi.org/issues/show/657 is fixed apparently
[22:48] <AlanBell> http://www.smuxi.org/issues/show/101 is not
[22:49] <gord> and you can use irssi! but this way your choice is wide open. i use xchat on my laptop, some android irc client on my phone and yet only ever have one login
[22:49] <gord> i can even log in from some nintendo ds irc client
[22:49] <AlanBell> so how does it work with lots of channels?
[22:50] <gord> how do you mean?
[22:50] <gord> its just a proxy, nothing more, nothing less. it bounces irc. you connect to it like its an irc server
[22:50] <AlanBell> I mean if the znc account is joined to 30 channels and you connect with xchat, what happens?
[22:51] <AlanBell> do you have to join all your 30 proxied channels?
[22:51] <gord> they all connect, in IRC your server can just tell you that you joined channels
[22:51] <AlanBell> orly! so it would open up 30 tabs or whatever for you?
[22:52] <gord> sur
[22:52] <gord> sure
[22:58] <AlanBell> oooh that works
[22:58] <AlanBell> using xchat and irssi as a proxy
[22:58] <bigcalm> I use the built in proxy with irssi
[22:59] <bigcalm> Yes, just that
[23:00] <gord> i used the irssi proxy before switching to xchat, the irssi proxy i found underwhelming and buggy
[23:00] <AlanBell> ok, so when connecting to it from android is there a nice client that will go via an ssh tunnel?
[23:00] <bigcalm> andchat might
[23:00] <bigcalm> That's the one I use, but only as a direct connection
[23:00] <gord> andchat does
[23:01] <gord> i use ssl
[23:01] <bigcalm> There you go :)
[23:01] <gord> thats an added benefit though, my znc proxy is ssl but some of the servers it connects to are not. nice to know at least me to my znc server is protected
[23:04] <gord> http://i.imgur.com/ZSK90.jpg seems like an odd place to use a fake seethrough ipad or whatever
[23:10] <zleap> hello
[23:14] <KrimZon> in the future, the back of an ipad will be even more exciting than a rollercoaster
[23:15] <bigcalm> Fnar
[23:24]  * AlanBell is about done with the translucent terminal windows in precise
[23:29] <AlanBell> hmm, it is the unity plugin that does it, but there is no setting for it
[23:30]  * AlanBell hopes this isn't a compulsory design feature
[23:31] <gord> AlanBell, whats this now?
[23:31] <AlanBell> see through terminal windows
[23:31] <gord> thats a gnome terminal thing
[23:32] <AlanBell> nope, that is set to solid colour
[23:32] <gord> not here, i set it to solid colour i get solid colour, set it to transparent, its transparent
[23:33] <AlanBell> it can make them more seethrough, as can the compiz opacity brightness and saturation plugin, but not less transparent
[23:33] <AlanBell> if I turn off the unity plugin they go solid
[23:34] <AlanBell> seems to affect all window title bars, and terminal windows
[23:34] <gord> ah, read a compiz guy talking about some GL state leak earlier, prolly the same thing
[23:34] <gord> not intended
[23:34] <AlanBell> good :)
[23:36] <AlanBell> it is the panel opacity slider
[23:36] <gord> thought it might be
[23:37] <gord> but my can of pringles is more important than testing unity right now ;)
[23:37]  * AlanBell has a perfectly acceptable workarround