[01:14] <rick_h__> jcastro_: Blazeix http://www.shopandroid.com/samsung-2100mah-extended-battery-w-door/8A37A9667.htm
[01:14] <rick_h__> now in stock
[01:41] <snap-l> Saw a T520 today with the extended battery
[01:41] <snap-l> Holy shit, that's a lot of battery
[01:42] <snap-l> and the owner was saying "Well, it's an i7, so I hope I get 3-4 hours of battery with it"
[01:42] <snap-l> I'd be pissed if that was only as much as I got with it.
[01:45] <rick_h__> ouch
[01:46] <rick_h__> yea, guess it depends on how you run it
[01:47] <snap-l> rick_h__: Your video is not visible to mere mortals
[01:47] <rick_h__> snap-l: yea sorry
[01:47] <rick_h__> oh well, it'll be public soon enough
[01:48] <rick_h__> and everyone can report bugs like mad
[01:48] <snap-l> Oh we will
[11:44] <snap-l>  Grrrrrrrrrrrr
[11:45] <snap-l> Still have not received a check from $LASTJOB
[12:04] <rick_h__> ruh roh
[12:16] <snap-l> Yep, so I get the joy of calling them between the hours of 8:30 and 5:30
[12:20] <snap-l> My hope is that someone didn't tell me (in the sprawling exit interview checklist) that the last check would be mailed
[12:20] <rick_h__> ah, maybe I guess
[12:20] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning
[12:23] <brousch> had a great grpug meeting last night
[12:23] <rick_h__> awesome
[12:23] <brousch> found out that wtf code from the other day was written by students, so that explains a lot
[12:24] <rick_h__> gotcha
[12:24] <snap-l> so they really didn't know what they were doing. That would explain things.
[12:24] <brousch> met 2 more django/python programmers
[12:25] <brousch> well, begenning django and python
[12:25] <brousch> snap-l: yeah, so their code ended up looking like a CS assignment
[12:27] <snap-l> brousch: Go with what you know. :)
[12:27] <brousch> met a lot of kids (20-25) in the local startup thing
[12:27] <brousch> very energetic, but they live on $500-$1000/mo
[12:27] <brousch> crazy
[12:27] <rick_h__> yea, statup life is a bit nuts
[12:28] <rick_h__> if it was 10yrs a ago though...then again I didn't know then what I know now so that is just scary
[12:29] <brousch> i never had the moxie for that
[12:30] <brousch> i think we got the food circles guy heading in the right direction with his code
[12:33] <brousch> heh, i opened rick_h__'s video on youtube in another tab. when i switched back i was wondering where that giant vim window had come from because i didn't remember opening any code today
[12:33] <rick_h__> :)
[12:40] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2012/01/17/stop-sopa-pipa/
[12:41] <snap-l> Testing out the plugin
[12:50] <rick_h__> ah, the joys of the great expense report...in HUF currency wheeee
[12:51] <snap-l> Oh, that's gotta be fun
[12:51] <snap-l> I'm surprised they don't just give you all AmEx cards and call it a day. :)
[12:52] <snap-l> QoTD: Half off ALL PANTS!
[12:52] <snap-l> (Banana Republic)
[13:00] <Wolfger> snap-l: +1 on the concept of a Lovecraftian gwibbering idiot...
[13:13] <rick_h__> good grief, AMD rantings on the interwebs .../me hides
[13:14] <Wolfger> uh-oh
[13:14] <Wolfger> should I have sold my AMD stock already?
[13:14] <rick_h__> sorry, wrong AMD
[13:14] <rick_h__> JS AMD
[13:14] <rick_h__> http://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/comments/oka38/amd_is_not_the_answer/
[13:15] <rick_h__> and of course the replies coming back, it's rant worthy material for me :)
[13:15]  * Wolfger breathes a sigh of relief
[13:36] <tjagoda> so much fog toady
[13:36] <tjagoda> today*
[13:36] <rick_h__> yea, going to be a crummy day it seems
[13:36] <rick_h__> so much for sneaking in another bike ride
[13:38] <tjagoda> This is a bad day to have gotten little sleep
[13:38] <tjagoda> Weather is conspiring against me
[13:51] <snap-l> rick_h__: It's the internet; if we can't come up with something to bitch about, we'll explode.
[13:52] <snap-l> rick_h__: Let me guess which comments set you off:
[13:52] <rick_h__> pyohio, olf, what am I missing I should be putting on the calendar?
[13:52] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/comments/oka38/amd_is_not_the_answer/c3hzvsz
[13:52] <snap-l> Penguicon
[13:52] <snap-l> PyCon?
[13:52] <rick_h__> yea, I think Pycon is a go
[13:52] <rick_h__> getting final mgr approval today hopefully
[13:52] <snap-l> w00t
[13:52] <rick_h__> so just checking what else I should mark up on there
[13:53] <snap-l> Penguicon. ;)
[13:53] <rick_h__> yea...feel like I'm missing something...but can't put my finger on it
[13:53] <snap-l> Dev Days detroit, but not sure when that's happening
[13:53] <rick_h__> yea, checked that and don't see any future news on there
[13:58] <tjagoda> rick_h__ no longer embraces penguicon
[13:58] <tjagoda> Not enough tech?
[13:58] <snap-l> tjagoda: It's a fight to get him to show up one day.
[13:59] <snap-l> personal goal is to get him to show up all three days, and get a hotel room
[13:59]  * snap-l also doesn't divulge his secret plan to get rick_h__ to do karaoke
[13:59] <tjagoda> scary times
[14:00] <tjagoda> I dunno if I will be at this Penguicon
[14:00] <tjagoda> Right now there is some work travel scheduled in that timeframe
[14:00] <brousch> .me shakes his fist at django admin
[14:01] <rick_h__> brousch: ok, ready...set...here I go! ...
[14:02] <snap-l> rick_h__: Destination?
[14:02] <rick_h__> ranting on django admin and how it's a complete "fake" feature that I despise to no end
[14:02]  * tjagoda has never been to an OLF
[14:02] <snap-l> tjagoda: OLF is fun
[14:03] <rick_h__> tjagoda: really? it's not bad.
[14:03] <snap-l> rick_h__: I'm of two minds for django admin
[14:03] <rick_h__> I regret when I do go and I regret when I don't go so I'm not sure what I think any more
[14:03] <snap-l> on the one hand, it's nice to get something up and running quickly.
[14:03] <tjagoda> rick_h both hates and loves people
[14:03] <snap-l> rick_h__: This last year wasn't so bad, was it?
[14:04] <rick_h__> I think that's the split. I like the people, I don't care for most of the talks/material
[14:04] <snap-l> I mean, we did learn a new term for shrimp
[14:04] <rick_h__> snap-l: yea, it was ok, but I didn't see a single talk really
[14:04] <snap-l> "sea bugs"
[14:04] <rick_h__> I still use sea bugs
[14:04] <snap-l> rick_h__: Neither did I, and I still had a blast.
[14:04] <rick_h__> to this day, we're having sea bugs for dinner thurs actually
[14:04] <rick_h__> snap-l: yea, why I say a bit torn
[14:05] <snap-l> I think of OLF as permission to let out my inner freetard. ;)
[14:05] <rick_h__> this year a couple of people have moved out west so not sure who will be there to hang out with as much
[14:05] <rick_h__> we'll see I guess. I'm not sure if I'll do olf this year
[14:06] <rick_h__> but if you've never gone, I'd say you should get down there tjagoda
[14:06] <brousch> i have not been to olf
[14:06] <snap-l> rick_h__: here we go again
[14:06] <snap-l> brousch: You should come too
[14:06] <rick_h__> snap-l: I think I want to trade conference value with hack time and social time
[14:06] <rick_h__> I got some social time, but tethered to the booth limited hack time
[14:06] <rick_h__> so when I walk away with how did the trip go it's a hit/miss
[14:06] <snap-l> rick_h__: Don't make me get the duck tape
[14:06] <rick_h__> lol
[14:06] <rick_h__> it's in sept, lots of time left
[14:07] <rick_h__> I'm also travel weary atm
[14:07] <snap-l> You can either ride in front, or in the trunk
[14:07] <snap-l> your choice.
[14:07] <tjagoda> Is it like Penguicon but with less kilts and no furries?
[14:07] <snap-l> tjagoda: if by less kilts you mean only one or two people in utulikilts, then yes.
[14:08] <tjagoda> I approve.
[14:08] <snap-l> That reminds me, I should get a kilt
[14:08]  * rick_h__ is now scared
[14:08] <tjagoda> So you can be "that guy?"
[14:08] <snap-l> Apparently I have enough of a Scottish name that I have a tartan pattern
[14:08] <snap-l> so I can get a true kilt.
[14:09] <snap-l> tjagoda: No, I can't be that guy.
[14:09] <brousch> the damn admin is making an entry for something that doesn't exist, and ignore things that do exist
[14:10] <snap-l> brousch: And there's the downside for the admin
[14:11] <snap-l> Though to be honest, I haven't touched Django in at least three years, if not more
[14:11] <brousch> just when i thought i understood it, it does this
[14:12] <snap-l> That's when rick_h__ is right
[14:12] <snap-l> because now you're debugging someone else's idea of how things should work
[14:12] <rick_h__> because the admin tool is useful for 3 days before you realize you need your own interface to things and you have to ditch it anyway
[14:13] <rick_h__> build an api and write a command line tool, use the database interface, build your own ui
[14:13] <rick_h__> or become an admin tool master adn learn all the hacks to customize it and hope it doesn't break on you in horrible ways
[14:14] <snap-l> meditate on these truths
[14:14] <brousch> yeah, i thought i would do this quick change for someone
[14:14] <brousch> now it's not so quick
[14:17] <Raggs> greetings fellow michiganders
[14:17] <snap-l> Hi, Raggs
[14:18] <Raggs> i am newish to ubuntu
[14:19] <snap-l> We all start somewhere. :)
[14:19] <Raggs> not to michigan though
[14:19] <Raggs> I used ubuntu back in the day though
[14:19] <Raggs> not sure i am a unity fan however
[14:20] <brousch> come join the great kubuntu migration
[14:20] <Raggs> lol, nah
[14:20] <rick_h__> Raggs: try it out on precise, it's getting a lot of love I think
[14:21] <Raggs> i wont guarantee i will be on ubuntu in a day
[14:21] <Raggs> precise?
[14:21] <rick_h__> Raggs: the in development version of ubuntu
[14:21] <Raggs> ahhh, using 11.04 atm
[14:22] <rick_h__> Raggs: yea, just my way of saying it's getting better :)
[14:22] <Raggs> need to reboot, brb
[14:24] <Raggs> rick_h__, i hope it is getting better
[14:25] <Raggs> how do i make ubuntu take over another /home directory?
[14:33] <snap-l> Raggs: How do you mean?
[14:35] <tjagoda> Hi @ Raggs
[14:36] <tjagoda> Also
[14:36] <tjagoda> <3 the Kubuntu Migration
[14:36] <Raggs> snap-l, i have a /home directory on another partition from a different install
[14:36] <Raggs> AND the home in the root of the buntu install
[14:38] <tjagoda> I noticed last night that when I use the KDE desktop switcher
[14:38] <tjagoda> as the panes slide
[14:38] <tjagoda> I can see my old unity desktop underneath
[14:38] <tjagoda> wtflinux
[14:40] <Raggs> so, why the migration?
[14:43] <snap-l> Raggs: Are you looking to use the /home directory from the previous install, or just do a migration?
[14:43] <snap-l> also, are you currently able to see the old partition (is it mounted?)
[14:44] <Raggs> i want to use it
[14:44] <Raggs> and it is mounted
[14:46] <snap-l> use as in copy over the old data to the new /home, or replace the /home with the old /home?
[14:46] <Raggs> have ubuntu point to the old /home
[14:47] <Raggs> sadly i need to get goin
[14:47] <Raggs> thanks for the help snap-l
[14:47] <krondor> Raggs:  change /etc/fstab but make sure you are using the same userID or you'll need to fix perms too
[14:47] <Raggs> i shall likely return
[14:47] <Raggs> ty krondor
[14:48] <krondor> there's probably a better gui-ish way to do that than what I suggested
[14:48] <snap-l> krondor: I'm not aware of one
[14:48] <snap-l> and frankly, anything like that at the GUI level would scare me
[14:48] <krondor> snap-l: ++
[14:51] <rick_h__> woot! pycon is boss approved
[14:52] <snap-l> rick_h__: Awesomesauce
[14:52] <tjagoda> userID is a dark path
[14:53] <krondor> tjagoda: yeah, I meant uid # but I typed it quick because he said he had to go.
[14:57] <krondor> aw crap, just realized Mug was last week...
[14:58] <rick_h__> yea, missed it
[14:58] <rick_h__> snap-l: how was it? had some extjs love right?
[15:01] <brousch> hah, finally got it. i had to add stub admin models for everything i wanted to show up
[15:04] <brousch> son of a bitch. bitbucket is broken
[15:04] <brousch> there it goes
[15:42] <brousch> now it's a beautiful thing
[15:42] <rick_h_> yay brousch
[15:42] <brousch> there's no ! there. i think you are being sarcastic
[15:47] <rick_h> there , I now own rick_h bwuhahaha
[15:49] <snap-l> rick_h: Um, it was OK. :)
[15:50] <snap-l> I really have no plans on using extjs, so I was half-paying attention
[15:50] <rick_h> cool
[15:50] <Blazeix> I actually thought it was really good. validated a lot of my existing prejudices against ext.js :P
[15:52] <rick_h> lol, cool
[15:52] <rick_h> I always feel bad when I rant against it
[15:52] <rick_h> glad to know I can carry on
[15:53] <snap-l> rick_h: heh
[15:53] <snap-l> Blazeix: Yeah, the parts that I paid attention to were pretty, um... interesting
[15:53] <snap-l> it was pretty well presented though
[15:53] <snap-l> but I'd rather use something else
[15:54] <rick_h> I think my boss is starting to understand me after this past week " you're a complex man of competing fanboisms."
[15:55] <snap-l> I think that's oversimplified
[15:55] <rick_h> it's a start :)
[15:57] <snap-l> You're like python's strong typing
[15:58] <snap-l> At compile time, no error message, but during runtime you'd better damn-well have thought it through
[16:11] <Wolfger> active chatter today... tjagoda skipping Penguicon? Does this have to do with your shame of failing as con chair? ;-) OLF is fun, you should go. We could carpool.
[16:13] <Wolfger> snap-l: say the word and I'll join you in kiltdom. I still have the one I wore for a wedding.
[16:13] <brousch> yikes
[16:13] <brousch> Wolfger and snap-l in kilts?
[16:15] <tjagoda> Nah, tjagoda does not have shame
[16:15] <tjagoda> tjagoda chose the best decision for tjagoda
[16:15] <Wolfger> Well, hope you manage to make it then
[16:17] <tjagoda> tjagoda chooses to shake his head at people small enough to harbor personal hatred for tjagoda
[16:20] <Wolfger> I'm big and I harbor... oh, nevermind.
[16:20] <Wolfger> :-)
[16:21] <Wolfger> I harbor disappointment. I was looking forward to a tjagoda-run Penguicon
[16:21] <Wolfger> If anybody could have gotten Wil Wheaton to finally show, it's you.
[16:23] <brousch> screw wil wheaton, now you need to get Jim Parsons
[16:24] <snap-l> rdiff-backup does not like it when you delete many gigabytes of data
[16:24] <snap-l> still chunking away at my backup snapshot from 8am
[16:32] <tjagoda> Heard somebody complaining about ubuntu one's web sync interface
[16:32] <tjagoda> this makes me sad
[16:33] <rick_h> why?
[16:33] <tjagoda> Would love to see one canonical service which does not take furious amounts of hate
[16:33] <rick_h> heh, good luck!
[16:33] <tjagoda> I should apply for the launchpad support positino
[16:33] <tjagoda> I bet it pays poop though.
[16:33] <brousch> i was watching a pycon video the other day and they dissed on launchpad
[16:34] <rick_h> yea? which video?
[16:34] <rick_h> I think I'll do an open space or two at pycon
[16:34] <rick_h> so curious the hate to address :)
[16:34] <tjagoda> i have always found launchpad intimidating
[16:34] <brousch> http://blip.tv/djangocon/django-core-dev-panel-5578198
[16:35] <tjagoda> Feel like I need to know a secret handshake to understand its interface
[16:35] <brousch> it did not have specific gripes, just mentioned hosting django-core on launchpad as a joke
[16:35] <brousch> wait, that was a djangocon video, not pycon
[16:35] <rick_h> ty, I'll peek at it
[16:35] <rick_h> gotcha
[16:35] <brousch> nothing of substance in the diss
[16:36] <rick_h> yea, I see. I'm not hosting my stuff there
[16:36] <brousch> but it was the django creator that said it;)
[16:36] <rick_h> but I'm working on learning to import from github to setup ppa builds/packages
[16:36] <tjagoda> I need Rick_H to build a launchpad interface that doesn't make me feel stupid. =(
[16:36] <rick_h> which I think would rock
[16:36] <rick_h> tjagoda: yea, it's a giant mess
[16:36] <brousch> i am using bibucket because of the free unlimited private git repos
[16:37] <rick_h> ugh, bitbucket drives me nuts. They could be so good but just totally seem to fall short
[16:37] <rick_h> free isn't sustainable and if that's your only selling point...ugh
[16:37] <brousch> free and unlimited
[16:37] <brousch> private repos
[16:38] <tjagoda> I have always wondered
[16:38] <tjagoda> what is launchpad's business model?
[16:38] <brousch> i would be paying $12/mo at github for what i have up there now
[16:38] <rick_h> brousch: yea, I pay github every month as well
[16:38] <tjagoda> launchpad does not make any $$, yes?
[16:38] <rick_h> but I know they'll be around, and they keep getting better
[16:38] <rick_h> tjagoda: it's complicated :)
[16:38] <tjagoda> lol
[16:38] <brousch> bitbucket is owned by atlassian now, so they have big money
[16:39] <rick_h> brousch: yea, but that doesn't always save things
[16:39] <rick_h> see delicious, etc
[16:39] <rick_h> google code search...dead...
[16:39] <rick_h> lots of companies with $$ don't keep things around
[16:39] <rick_h> and the snails pace of bitbucket improvements isn't reassuring
[16:39] <brousch> but they just bought it
[16:39] <rick_h> right, you're safe for a year or two :)
[16:40] <rick_h> I'm just a fan of paying real $$ for crap I use/depend on
[16:40] <snap-l> Usually a year before management kicks you all to the curb
[16:40] <brousch> i keep waiting for sourceforge to get private repos. i poke dave about it every time i see him
[16:40] <snap-l> see: Ohloh
[16:40] <rick_h> yea, I stabbed mark on several occasions
[16:40] <rick_h> "let me give you $$, I mean really!"
[16:40] <brousch> right
[16:40] <snap-l> OK, need some Python helo
[16:40] <brousch> print('helo')
[16:40] <rick_h> launchpad does have a commercial offering that I think we need to do a better job of publishing
[16:41] <rick_h> private ppas
[16:41] <rick_h> that's pretty sweet imo
[16:41] <snap-l> trying to wrap logging so that it's configured and ready to go for another job
[16:41] <snap-l> so I'm creating a class, doing some stuff in __init__ with a variable called "log"
[16:41] <snap-l> I'd like to return that variable to the calling code, but not sure how to do it
[16:42] <rick_h> snap-l: so logging is global across the run of the app
[16:42] <snap-l> Yeah
[16:42] <Wolfger> brousch: omg... if we could get Evil Wil Wheaton and Sheldon at the same con, that would be awesome. :-D
[16:42] <snap-l> I'm taking advantage of that. ;)
[16:42] <rick_h> you want an init_logging to defind all the settings
[16:42] <rick_h> and just call that before you start to bootstrap the config for the handlers/levels/etc
[16:42] <rick_h> just make sure they share a namespace
[16:42] <snap-l> so should it just be a module then, instead of a class?
[16:43] <tjagoda> wolfger: I will also not be at Fusion
[16:43] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, even a function or something
[16:43] <rick_h> so if you've got a process maybe it has module.utils
[16:43] <rick_h> and __init__.py just runs utils.setup_logger()
[16:44] <rick_h> I'd have to see how your code is set up to really suggest
[16:44] <Wolfger> tjagoda: Yeah, I wasn't even aware of Fusion until last weekend. Way too late to make effective plans to be there
[16:45] <brousch> what is fusion?
[16:46] <tjagoda> Science Fiction convention
[16:46] <tjagoda> Lots of kilts
[16:46] <Wolfger> ConFusion
[16:47] <Wolfger> There's a BSD panel, but other than that I didn't see much tech
[16:48] <tjagoda> And its almost 100% probably the same BSD panel
[16:48] <tjagoda> every year
[16:48] <tjagoda> that happens at penguicon
[16:48] <Wolfger> Those guys are dedicated...
[16:48] <tjagoda> Presented by a very skinny guy and a very fat man
[16:48] <tjagoda> With comic contrast
[16:50]  * Wolfger ponders the difference between "a very skinny guy and a very fat man" and "a very skinny man and a very fat guy"
[16:50] <tjagoda> hm
[16:54] <tjagoda> What are the odds of this not being a low paying like $30k per year job? https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=404
[16:57] <brousch> i heard everyone at canonical makes 6 figures
[16:58] <tjagoda> I heard that this guy's sarcastic
[16:59] <rick_h> brousch: crap, I knew I didn't ask for enough
[16:59] <rick_h> tjagoda: low
[16:59] <rick_h> tjagoda: very low odds
[17:00] <tjagoda> That is saddening, as it sounded fun
[17:00] <rick_h> why is it saddening?
[17:00] <rick_h> oh sorry, I miread you
[17:00] <rick_h> the odds are very low it's a low paying jo
[17:01] <rick_h> job
[17:01] <tjagoda> ohh
[17:01] <rick_h> bah, multitasking will be the death of me
[17:01] <tjagoda> brousch was right
[17:01] <tjagoda> they all DO make 6 figures.
[17:01] <rick_h> I didn't say that one lol
[17:01] <tjagoda> except jcastro, who actually has to pay them to work there
[17:03] <snap-l> Oh, there's going to be a paddling with ADP
[17:03] <rick_h> snap-l: so glad you worked over that time off now?
[17:04] <rick_h> "get a gun..."
[17:04] <snap-l> WEll, considering I don't exist in ADP's system as far as working time and all...
[17:04] <rick_h> good grief...down to 124 tickets to process *sigh*
[17:06] <Wolfger> 30k is better than burger flipping...
[17:07] <Wolfger> also depends on the hours you work. I mean, 30k for 80 hours a week is, well, burger flipping. 30k for 20 hours a week? Sign me up!
[17:16] <snap-l> Gah
[17:16] <snap-l> Glad I didn't buy a boat.
[17:19] <rick_h> Blazeix: http://walmartlabs.github.com/thorax/
[17:20] <rick_h> looks like some good stuff coming from Dion and company
[17:20] <rick_h> I still find it strange to see cool things going on under the wal-mart name
[17:20] <Blazeix> ooh, nice
[17:20] <Blazeix> i've been meaning to play around with ember.js, but this might jump ahead in the queue
[17:20] <rick_h> http://walmartlabs.github.com/lumbar/ is interesting
[17:21] <rick_h> yea, the only thing with ember is the perf and that it's coming out of sproutcore so nervous how much it's made to fit there
[17:27] <greg-g> I'm officially working a half-day today
[17:27] <greg-g> crazy
[17:27] <greg-g> it's been since Dec 22nd
[17:32] <rick_h> greg-g: :)
[17:32] <rick_h> greg-g: how's parenthood treating you?
[17:33] <snap-l> rick_h: Like a baby treats a diaper. ;)
[17:37] <snap-l> Sun Java6 folks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes/Java6Transition
[17:43] <greg-g> snap-l: very close :)
[17:43] <greg-g> last night was rough, of course, being the night before my first day back
[17:43] <greg-g> but, I can't complain, it is much worse for Carrie than I
[18:05] <snap-l> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596158071.do <- 50% off
[18:19] <brousch> you lucky galaxy nexus owners all get your extended batteries? http://www.droid-life.com/2012/01/17/galaxy-nexus-extended-battery-back-in-stock-at-verizon-still-50-off/
[18:26] <rick_h> ooh, nice find brousch
[18:26] <rick_h> was thinking of getting one but not sure 300mha is worth $35
[18:26] <rick_h> $25 works for me
[18:27] <rick_h> Blazeix ^^
[18:27] <rick_h> waldo isn't on, who else had a verizon one?
[18:38] <Wolfger> http://www.appbrain.com/app/ataris-greatest-hits/com.atari.mobile.greatesthits
[18:39] <Wolfger> snap-l: ^^ for all your retro gaming needs
[18:39] <snap-l> Wolfger: You have no idea how many times I've bought Atari's catalog. ;)
[18:40] <rick_h> starting precise upgrade on my desktop wheeee
[18:41] <greg-g> rick_h: wow, I'm scared of the X and kernel changes that are still coming down the pipeline
[18:41] <snap-l> Wolfger: I have the DS versions of all of those games, Gamecube, Dreamcast, and Saturn versions of the arcade games
[18:41] <rick_h> greg-g: I'm a bit floored at the work they're doing to make this upgrade smooth and such so taking the plunge
[18:41] <Wolfger> it's free for Android and iPhone
[18:41] <snap-l> not to mention the Jakks Pacific console versions of the 2600 games
[18:42] <greg-g> rick_h: cool
[18:42] <rick_h> greg-g: and I know a dozen guys on it already so figured it's a second machine why not :)
[18:42] <greg-g> heh
[18:42] <snap-l> Wolfger: AND 2600 versions of all of those games. ;)
[18:42] <Wolfger> you are the reason Atari's still in business?
[18:42] <snap-l> Oh, and PC versions too
[18:43] <snap-l> No, INfogrames was the reason. ;)
[18:43] <snap-l> which then became part of Hasbro
[18:43] <Wolfger> They are planning to release a new version of
[18:43] <Wolfger> Asteroids, "Asteroids: Gunner"
[18:43] <snap-l> I wish them success
[18:44] <snap-l> I'm sure it'll be just as good as the re-releases of Frogger and Q*Bert. :-P
[18:44] <snap-l> Actually, Q*bert's re-release wasn't too bad
[18:44] <snap-l> Breakout was pretty pathetic as well
[18:46] <Wolfger> Oh, come on... Every version of breakout ever made has been awesome
[18:48] <snap-l> Wolfger: Next time I find a copy, it's yours. :)
[18:51] <rick_h> note to self, look up bzr lightweight checkouts...wtf...
[18:53] <Wolfger> can't convince Canonical to go with git? ;-)
[18:55] <brousch> yeah, cmon rick_h, convert them to git
[18:56] <Wolfger> I hate users
[18:58] <brousch> i'm sure it's reciprocal
[18:59] <greg-g> zing!
[19:09] <snap-l> OK, who else is weirded out whenever they see an e-mail address with a couple's name as the From:
[19:09] <snap-l> like "Alice and Bob"
[19:09] <snap-l> I mean, JoDee and I share a lot of things, but e-mail ain't one of them
[19:10] <jrwren> oh yeah, i forgot that rick_h would be a BZR guy now instead of a git guy.
[19:10] <brousch> snap-l: old people do that
[19:11] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, ugh..that is all
[19:11] <rick_h> jrwren: but I see your boss ranting on git, almost replied
[19:12] <snap-l> Yeah, I don't understand the git hate
[19:12] <Wolfger> snap-l: yeah, that weirds me out too
[19:12] <jrwren> which boss?
[19:12] <jrwren> dianne mostly hates Hg
[19:12] <greg-g> snap-l: I've seen that as a common recommendation by a lot of, how to say it, very active christian groups
[19:12] <rick_h> jrwren: the other one
[19:12] <snap-l> greg-g: Really?
[19:12] <snap-l> Do they recommend opening each other's mail too?
[19:12] <jrwren> Ah... I think Bill is just experiencing the pain of learning Git from Hg. Soon he will see the benefits and hate on Hg
[19:12] <greg-g> yeah, a "no secrets" thing that makes you a better couple, or somesuch
[19:12] <snap-l> because that weirds me out too
[19:12] <rick_h> jrwren: ah ok then
[19:12] <rick_h> :)
[19:13] <snap-l> greg-g: There's a better way to implement that. :)
[19:13] <jrwren> ++ I dislike family emails, but consider an old aunt and uncle or grandparents. email is not different than snail mail and they share teh same address for that too
[19:13] <rick_h> snap-l: it comes from people using the provider for accounts
[19:13] <rick_h> they setup a single email address and people just share them
[19:13] <rick_h> my in-laws do that
[19:14] <rick_h> usually one person or the other tends to manage email anyway
[19:14] <brousch> it weirds me out when i see 2 people sharing a phone number
[19:14] <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, but I feel it's liek sharing underwear
[19:14] <jrwren> that presumes a lot about gods will and better coupling. I read that bible thing and I didn't get anything out of it that says I can't have an individual identity post marriage
[19:14] <snap-l> maybe you can do it, but it weirds me out.
[19:14] <jrwren> if anything, I should get a few more wives if I'm living biblically
[19:14] <Wolfger> brousch: that's only uncommon with cell phones
[19:14] <rick_h> upgrade complete, time to see how a reboot treats me...wish me luck
[19:15] <Wolfger> if my parents had a shared e-mail address, I'd completely understand. I know my dad will never ever use a computer voluntarily
[19:16] <brousch> Wolfger: you mean some people don't have mobile phones?!
[19:16] <greg-g> rick_h: good luck, dear adventurer
[19:16] <snap-l> jrwren: That's the old testament version of God. ;)
[19:16] <snap-l> we're using God 2.0 now
[19:16] <Wolfger> but a friend of mine got married and they both were on the net individually, but after marriage they had a shared e-mail. Ew.
[19:17] <rick_h> 2.0? are you kidding. There's enough revisions there to put MS to shame
[19:17] <snap-l> rick_h: It's like Web 2.0
[19:17] <Wolfger> rick_h++
[19:17] <snap-l> We're using APIs and AJAX
[19:17] <brousch> God ME
[19:17] <snap-l> Jesus XML. :)
[19:18] <rick_h> woot, boots and logs in
[19:18] <Wolfger> snap-l: AJAX (asynchronous Jesus and XML)
[19:19] <snap-l> Wolfger: Gives new meaning to WWJD.
[19:20] <snap-l> (That joke will so totally fall apart when Tim O'Reilly declares Web 3.0)
[19:21] <brousch> i declare mobile is web3.0
[19:22] <rick_h> heh, first time I've noticed a "sync between computers" in the software center
[19:22] <rick_h> kind of cool
[19:22] <snap-l> Yeah, that's new for 12.04
[19:24]  * snap-l might have to bring up a VM for 12.04
[19:24] <snap-l> has it hit alpha yet?
[19:24] <Wolfger> long time ago
[19:25] <rick_h> yea, I think alpha2 is around the corner?
[19:25] <Wolfger> only 100 days left til release, man
[19:25] <snap-l> Shit, I'm not paying any attention
[19:25] <greg-g> Ubu-what?
[19:25] <Wolfger> LOL
[19:25] <Wolfger> it's Kubu-what, aren't you paying attention?
[19:25] <Wolfger> all the cool kids switched to Kubuntu
[19:25] <greg-g> oh right
[19:27] <Wolfger> The Canonical employees, of course, still shun the blue-headed step child, and snap-l's a lamer, so... yeah, all the cool kids are using it. :-)
[19:27] <brousch> Wolfger++
[19:29] <snap-l> Pthhhpt
[19:29] <rick_h> oh come on, like this room was friendly to the kde folks going back anywhere in our history :P
[19:30] <rick_h> #ubuntu-us-mi: making fun of kde before it was cool to make fun of kde
[19:30] <rick_h> if I recall...wasn't Wolfger the one that was all "I can't present kde to MUG...it sucks?!"
[19:30] <Wolfger> KDE4
[19:30] <rick_h> ...one year later..."I can't present KDE to MUG..."
[19:30] <snap-l> I thnk wolfger just didn't want to present at MUG
[19:30] <rick_h> now all of a sudden the world is full of haters
[19:31] <Wolfger> KDE4 sucked for a long time. Right up until 11.10, really
[19:31] <snap-l> I think we just need to get Wolfger out to MUG
[19:31] <Wolfger> But you notice I keep going back and trying it...
[19:31] <rick_h> Wolfger: and the definition of insanity is?
[19:32] <Wolfger> Heh
[19:32] <rick_h> now, any other canonical bashes we want to start up today? :P
[19:33] <brousch> the orange and purple. come on. ew
[19:33] <Wolfger> and as for "now all of a sudden the world is full of haters", I direct you to this thing called "the internet".... wtf do you mean "all of a sudden"?
[19:34] <Wolfger> Hey, anything on the calendar for next Monday or Tuesday, *UG-wise?
[19:35] <rick_h> nope
[19:35] <brousch> yes. grwebdev
[19:35] <rick_h> I can't get him across town for a meeting and you think he's going to hit up GR?
[19:36] <Wolfger> Yeah, that'll never happen
[19:36] <brousch> jquery and javascript
[19:36] <brousch> you know you love it
[19:36] <rick_h> booooo!
[19:36] <Wolfger> If there was something local-ish, I'd have a higher-than-normal inclination to attend something next Monday or Tuesday is all. Oh well.
[19:37] <rick_h> last tues was MUG
[19:37] <rick_h> put it on your calendar :)
[19:37] <Wolfger> Let me just hop in the Delorean...
[19:37] <rick_h> it comes back around every month
[19:37] <Wolfger> last Tuesday does?
[19:39] <Wolfger> Hmm. "Next Meeting – Tuesday, January 10th, 2012". So... that was the last one, then? ;-)
[19:39] <rick_h> second_tuesdays = [second_tues(month) for month in months)].pop()
[19:42] <Wolfger> Cool. Added "Michigan Tech Groups" calendar to my Gcal.
[19:43] <Wolfger> Hmm. Ann Arbor CHC is in Ann Arbor. Detroit CHC is not in Detroit. :-p
[19:45] <snap-l> Next MUG meeting is on Feb 14th
[19:45] <snap-l> that's the one where we elect the board
[19:45] <snap-l> also is JoDee's birthday, so I'll be skipping
[19:46] <Wolfger> elect snap-l
[19:46] <snap-l> Please do. I'm already on the board
[19:46] <snap-l> and would love another year on the board.
[19:46] <Wolfger> spoilsport
[19:46] <snap-l> Wolfger: ;)
[19:48] <Wolfger> so Jo-Dee's birthday is Valentine's Day? You are so lucky.
[19:48] <snap-l> Yep. :)
[19:48] <Wolfger> one less potential catastrophe of poor memory
[19:48] <snap-l> I use bdayd, so I generally have a week lead-time
[19:48] <Wolfger> also, that meeting being on Valentine's Day, I probably will not be there
[19:59] <brousch> bah, come on, bring your wives to the meeting
[20:11] <rick_h> greg-g: where are you at out in CA land?
[20:12] <jrwren> SF
[20:12] <jrwren> hippie mecca
[20:15] <rick_h> hmm, direct to san jose with layovers or fly non stop to SF and commute down to San jose. greg-g anything I should know that everyone out there already knows?
[20:48] <Blazeix> rick_h: regarding Olark vs Snapengage... the only thing i've got is that they both sound like harry potter characters.
[20:49] <greg-g> commuting from SF to SJ isn't the easiest
[20:50] <rick_h> Blazeix: lol, yea I know some of the guys at olark so I RT it hoping they see it can compare
[20:50] <rick_h> never heard of snapengage
[20:50] <rick_h> greg-g: yea?
[20:50] <greg-g> caltrain takes about an hour
[20:51] <rick_h> yea, I figure even if it takes 2hr to get down there and through VTA it's shorter than a layover in dallas and such
[20:51] <rick_h> so went with straight from DTW to SF and will try to train/bus it to the convention center
[20:53] <brousch> TRAIN
[20:54] <rick_h> well train from SFO and bus once in SJ
[20:54] <rick_h> two stage travel
[20:56] <greg-g> right right
[20:56] <rick_h> but I'm not putting my life at risk or anything right? :)
[20:56] <rick_h> and no secret tunnel I should know about?
[20:56] <greg-g> train from SFO to SJ isn't bad. You'll do: 1) SFO to BART. 2) BART to Millbrae stop. 3) Transfer to Caltrain. 4) Caltrain to SJ. 5) Transfer to bus to hotel, maybe shuttle if the hotel is good?
[20:57] <greg-g> nope, pretty safe/straight-forward
[20:59] <rick_h> no shuttle
[20:59] <brousch> sheldon cooper approved
[20:59] <rick_h> so the page says locals suggest It has been suggested by locals that from SFO you can take CalTrain to San Jose and then get on VTA.
[21:00] <rick_h> I assumed caltrain was near SFO
[21:00] <rick_h> oh well, adventure for me
[21:00] <rick_h> greg-g: so have to meet for lunch or something while I'm over
[21:01] <brousch> all they serve in SF is rice-a-roni and organic hormone-free bamboo shoots
[21:02] <rick_h> oh right, coffee
[21:23] <greg-g> rick_h: Caltrain is one BART stop from SFO
[22:13] <tjagoda> Resizing partions
[22:13] <tjagoda> so painfully slow
[22:29] <snap-l> yes
[22:32] <tjagoda> I was shocked when dual displays just worked
[22:32] <tjagoda> in Kubuntu
[22:32] <tjagoda> I was expecting some horrible driver pain or something
[22:34] <snap-l> Also my lovely rdiffbackup is still running
[22:34] <snap-l> since 8am
[22:34] <snap-l> This is not the way of it
[22:38] <tjagoda> wow
[22:38] <tjagoda> The backup service thats builtin with ubuntu 1
[22:38] <tjagoda> always broke for me in vanilla butu
[22:38] <tjagoda> Dont know why, it just randomly failed a lot
[22:47] <cpncook> Hello
[22:48] <cpncook> http://i.imgur.com/AQLAh.jpg
[22:48] <cpncook> Negaunee Iron formation as Jaspet Knob
[22:48] <cpncook> near Ishpeming
[22:48] <cpncook> Jasper Knob*
[23:16] <tjagoda> Nice
[23:35] <brousch> greg-g: your beard is getting out of control. you need to tame that thing! http://www.flickr.com/photos/grggrssmr/6702713665/
[23:36] <Raggs> evening gents
[23:37] <rick_h> lol, the bears has gone California
[23:37] <greg-g> brousch: just trimmed it last night :)
[23:37] <greg-g> to a setting of 5 on my beard trimmer
[23:38] <brousch> good idea
[23:41] <Raggs> brousch, so what about the kubuntu migration?
[23:41] <brousch> hop on the bandwagon. we're dying our hair blue
[23:42] <Raggs> ummm, we dont want a 40 something yo guy with blue hair
[23:43] <brousch> but seriously, kubuntu is quite nice
[23:43] <Raggs> i am upgrading my ubuntu atm
[23:44] <brousch> you can install them side by side and switch between them at login
[23:44] <brousch> you can also install gnome-shell
[23:44] <Raggs> end up with a bunch of duplicate apps dont you?
[23:44] <rick_h> precise is feeling pretty good. Feels snappier
[23:45] <brousch> well you get apps do similar things
[23:45] <Raggs> that is what i meant
[23:45] <brousch> but you get to try out each environment on the same computer
[23:46] <brousch> i did that for while and finally settled on kubuntu. then i wiped it all and just installed kubuntu
[23:46] <Raggs> i have used both, though not in buntu
[23:52] <Raggs> in fstab if i change the home dir to a different partition what happens with the home files on the original partition?