[00:05] <aguitel> how remove xubuntu ?
[00:05] <GridCube> ?_?
[00:06] <GridCube> !puregnome
[00:06] <aguitel> need to install kubuntu
[00:06] <GridCube> then you just install the kubuntu-desktop metapackage
[00:07] <Unit193> Might be better to do a !purekde and rest of the questions would go in #kubuntu
[04:11] <Inzi> hi guys
[04:12] <Inzi> does anyone know where i could download the xubuntu restrictd extras offline? my pc at home has no internet
[04:15] <stochastic> Inzi, I'm not sure what you mean.  Download them offline?
[04:16] <stochastic> You probably need to get the files downloaded on a different computer, load them to usb key, then move that key to your home comp
[04:17] <stochastic> Inzi needed this link: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xubuntu-restricted&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[06:20] <Vinetari> eveyone knows that Macs are more secure than Lninux
[06:28] <Vinetari> it's a fact
[06:28] <Vinetari> steve jobs told me many years ago
[06:50] <bazhang> Vinetari, thats not a support issue
[06:50] <bazhang> try the offtopic channel please
[06:51] <Vinetari> it is a security support issue
[06:51] <bazhang> then go ahead and ask Vinetari
[06:51] <Marzata> The next Xubuntu release, codenamed 'E-Sexy Efe' is coming in June.
[07:16] <Guest60670> hi can anyone help my panel no longer shows the programmes running in the backround
[07:18] <Vinetari> reboot
[07:20] <Unit193> Why? Why not either just reset the panel, or restart the panel?
[07:21] <Vinetari> becuase it's easier
[07:22] <Unit193> No
[07:22] <Vinetari> it is for me
[07:23] <Unit193> Open terminal  xfce4-panel -r  and if that doesn't get it,    mv .config/xfce4/panel .config/xfce4/panel_backup   and restart the panel again
[07:23] <Unit193> Guest60670: ^^
[07:25] <TVasEyes> can you run xcfe4-panel -r from the Alt-F2 run command prompt too Unit193 ?
[07:25] <Unit193> TVasEyes: Yep, but I can't tab complete ;)
[07:25] <TVasEyes> thanks
[07:27] <Unit193> If more than even that gets messed up, xfwm --replace in alt+f2
[07:28] <TVasEyes> I've been lucky so far, up 11 days+ and no problems with panel or anything else.
[07:29] <Guest60670> I tryed that panel restarts but still same problem
[07:30] <Unit193> Guest60670: Read the second part now please (figured it wouldn't help)
[07:30] <TVasEyes> even after the suggested mv ?
[07:31] <Guest60670> yes it started before this boot of the machine is there anyway to reset the whole thing
[07:31] <Unit193> [02:23:52] < Unit193> .... mv .config/xfce4/panel .config/xfce4/panel_backup   and restart the panel again
[07:36] <Guest60670> no go would the backup get overwriten after a system shutdown
[07:36] <Unit193> Backup is in case you want it back
[07:37] <Guest60670> ok I look into this more at least I have some ideas thanks.
[07:41] <Guest60670> hi looked for backup files for panel did bot find any
[07:45] <TVasEyes> ??  you created .config/xfce4/panel_backup and now it's gone?
[07:47] <Guest60670> well my programs running in background don't show on the panel. never did a backup just tryed to get back to the way it was
[07:47] <Guest60670> befor
[07:47] <Guest60670> e
[07:48] <TVasEyes> and panel is definitely not running?   ps faux | grep xfce4-panel
[07:49] <TVasEyes> oops, is running but progs don't show.
[07:49] <TVasEyes> sorry.
[07:49] <Guest60670> well panel is running just not geting programs in background to show on panel
[07:50] <TVasEyes> I suggest you go with Unit's suggestion, do the mv to create a backup then restart the panel (it will need to re-create it's settings then)
[07:51] <Unit193> Define "Background"
[07:51] <TVasEyes> its*
[07:52] <Guest87768> hi I was one with panel problem still no go.
[08:01] <vinetari> I still say rebooting is faster
[08:02] <TVasEyes> Guest87768: radical way of doing (because you'll lose all customisation/settings) is to remove the ~/.config directory tree and reboot; xfce will then have to rebuild all of those files, personally I think that's very much last resort though.
[08:03] <Guest87768> ok that might be only way thanks.
[08:03] <Unit193> Or just move the folder in case
[08:04] <TVasEyes> yes, better safe than sorry.
[08:05] <Unit193> But I've done what TVasEyes said when I didn't feel like finding out what it was (While back)
[08:06]  * vinetari hands you a 7 UP ! 7°UP !
[08:09] <TVasEyes> vinetari: while in this case it looks like reboot was unavoidable, generally speaking, --restart is quicker and less hassle.
[08:09] <TVasEyes> more often than not there are programs running and whatnot..
[08:10] <vinetari> suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure
[08:10] <TVasEyes> as always, ymmv.
[08:10] <Unit193> TVasEyes: Another trick, log out and back in
[08:11] <TVasEyes> yes, although if restarting after removing xfce4/panel doesn't do it, is bad news anyway.
[08:12] <TVasEyes> anyway Unit193, I learned that xfce4-panel doesn't need a shell to run.  happy about that.
[08:13] <Unit193> And I know the xfce notify backend is better than the other, had to replace it on another comp
[08:13] <Unit193> But I'm starting to get offtopic
[08:13] <TVasEyes> ;)
[08:14] <TVasEyes> they're strict around here..
[09:45] <ablomen> has anybody else noticed firefox crashing like crazy after the last update?
[09:50] <Marzata> ablomen: version?
[09:51] <ablomen> 11.10, firefox 9.0.1
[09:52] <ablomen> I'm just checking to see if it's just me
[10:03] <ablomen> hmm it seems to be related to firebug not working with firefox 9, i guess ill downgrade firefox then
[10:09] <Marzata> firebug?
[10:09] <Marzata> same version of ff here, no problem.
[10:37] <ablomen> Marzata, hmm weird, the firebug google group has some people with the same problem. Anyway the downgrade to ff 7 seems to have fixed it
[10:54] <Marzata> avkoz
[14:32] <johanhar> So... I just installed xubuntu. All partitions/volumes are put on the desktop. I cant right-click and remove shortcut... wtf? :D
[14:34] <TheSheep> johanhar: you can disable the desktop icons completely
[14:35] <autif> johanhar - behave, we are family friendly, this is not windows, things work slightly differently - try settings -> settings manager -> desktop -> icons
[14:35] <johanhar> if I go to /home/user/Desktop , I see none of the icons :P
[14:35] <johanhar> Ah ok thanks
[14:36] <johanhar> Worked... thanks
[14:37] <johanhar> Any settings to resize a window. In windows I click <super> + arrow and send window to a side, aero snap using the mouse.
[14:38] <autif> what version of xubuntu are you using?
[14:38] <johanhar> 11.10
[14:39] <autif> to the best of my knowledge, the equivalent does not exist
[14:39] <autif> XFCE is meant to be light weight
[14:39] <johanhar> Okay..
[14:39] <johanhar> How tedious to resize and move windows then, no problem, I'll get compiz or something ;)
[14:40] <TheSheep> johanhar: you can see all the keybindings for moving windows in settings->window manager->keyboard
[14:41] <johanhar> Im looking there now :)
[14:42] <johanhar> Oh, nice, <super> + tab ... very nice, just like OS X - changing windows within the same application ;)
[14:44] <johanhar> Anyone tried compiz with xubuntu?
[15:11] <trkemist> anyone know how I can make chromium my system wide browser?
[15:14] <holstein> trkemist: i enabled gnome services or whatever its called.. you can try update-alternatives –config x-www-browser
[15:14] <holstein> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/set-the-default-browser-on-ubuntu-from-the-command-line/
[15:15] <johanhar> I cant find my external monitor... works when booting in w7 :(
[15:15] <johanhar> settings -> monitors ... cant find it
[15:18] <holstein> johanhar: i use arandr to manage dual head
[15:19] <johanhar> thx
[15:19] <holstein> you could likely not have driver support though... you can search for a proprietary driver which may add that functionality
[15:19] <johanhar> from where holstein
[15:19] <holstein> could also make things worse.. so you might want to do a bit of google searching and see if anyone else has posted experience with that hardware
[15:19] <holstein> johanhar: depends... let me link you the overall generice graphics wiki page
[15:20] <johanhar> thanks
[15:20] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:21] <johanhar> hmm, no GUI for updating drivers... I had that in ubuntu and debian.
[15:21] <holstein> johanhar: sometimes it just doesnt work well.. no reason to compare you experience to window either... you can just let hte manufacturer know you are having issue under linux, and hope that eventually we will get full support from everyone
[15:22] <holstein> johanhar: you are not updating drivers.. ther a GUI for package management.. several of them
[15:22] <johanhar> hmm ok
[15:22] <holstein> you dont need to update drivers, you need to (potentially) install a driver that ubuntu *cant* provide
[15:22] <johanhar> hmm
[15:23] <johanhar> thought that I had a "normal" graphic card... ThinkPadT420
[15:23] <johanhar> a regular work-laptop
[15:24] <holstein> johanhar: that guide should help you determin your graphics card... assume nothing ... i thought that was intel, but maybe not
[15:26] <johanhar> ok hmm
[15:27] <johanhar> I think it has got to do with my dockingstation
[15:27] <johanhar> laptop uses VGA, but it is connected to a docking, using DVI
[15:27] <holstein> johanhar: reducing variables is a great troubleshooting step
[15:27] <holstein> https://lopsa.org/content/adventures-ubuntu-1104-thinkpad-t420
[15:29] <johanhar> thanks
[15:40] <johanhar> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11618363#post11618363
[15:45] <holstein> johanhar: its going to be driver related
[15:45] <holstein> what drivers have you tried?
[15:46] <johanhar> only the default drivers...
[15:46] <holstein> also, if it were my hardware, i would try several live CD's.. i would try 10.04, the last LTS, and 12.04, the upcoming LTS, and a knoppix live CD.. that is an easy way to try several drastically different kernels without effecting your machine in any way
[15:47] <holstein> johanhar: right.. ubuntu *cant* include proprietary drivers assuming thats what you need.. i also wouldnt expect the dock to work, nor internal + VGA + DVI
[15:47] <johanhar> it works with VGA now
[15:47] <johanhar> just not DVI
[15:47] <holstein> johanhar: cool!... thats what i would expect
[15:49] <johanhar> where can I find some GUI panel for drivers?
[15:49] <johanhar> used to be in ubuntu, "additional drivers" or something like that
[15:49] <johanhar> under system
[15:49] <johanhar> link is gone in xubuntu
[15:50] <holstein> johanhar: that link i gave should explain some alternatives to that process in detail... i forget if that jockey-gtk or what
[15:50] <johanhar> oki
[15:50] <holstein> johanhar: if its intel, there wont be one... you could look report what graphics hardware you have
[15:50] <johanhar> ok, 2 sec, ill try
[15:52] <johanhar> http://pastebin.com/5jvZU7rM
[15:53] <johanhar> there... didnt understand any of that...
[15:53] <holstein> cool... so there will be some options for you then
[15:53] <johanhar> hmm ok
[15:53] <holstein> not that they will give you DVI support
[15:53] <holstein> again, i would search around and try and find someone with that hardware and running linux
[15:55] <johanhar> hmm isn't there just some "stuff" i could put into a config file, telling it to use DVI and not VGA..
[15:55] <johanhar> if not I have to use w7, because I cannot use VGA, its painful
[15:55] <johanhar> my monitor won't take it...
[15:56] <holstein> johanhar: yup.. its challening, but you do have several driver options to explore
[15:58] <holstein> jockey-gtk not what you are looking for?... theres likely a more current version than what you will find there at the nvidia site
[15:58] <johanhar> maybe, if that gives me a list of drivers i can use
[15:58] <johanhar> with GUI
[15:58] <holstein> johanhar: right... but as i am suggesting, that is only one of the driver options you have
[15:59] <johanhar> oki
[15:59] <johanhar> gnome user interface, but this is xfce, how does that work? :P
[16:00] <johanhar> ok, so it gives me nothing, "no proprietary drivers are in use on this system"
[16:00] <johanhar> it was looking for drivers at startup, didnt find anything I guess...
[16:01] <johanhar> my old room-mate had a lenovo thinkpad, with docking, using both vga and dvi at the same time.. xfce and arch I think, arch is too hardcore for me...
[16:09] <trkemist> holstein: I can't seem to figure out how to set it to chromium-browser :/
[16:11] <trkemist> holstein: I did it @ exit
[16:11] <trkemist> I did its in preferred apps you put in this string: /usr/bin/chromium-browser
[16:12] <holstein> trkemist: it?... you mean default browser?.. i enabled gnome services and the changes seemed to "stick" for me better... also running that command in the terminal is an option, though i know there is a GUI for it somewhere that may work... update-alternatives –config x-www-browser
[16:12] <holstein> i did finally get it working... chromium in xubuntu
[16:14] <holstein> johanhar: you should ask your old roomate about drivers... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[16:15] <holstein> at the end of the day (so to speak) this is not trivial, and is really something you might want to just deal with til you get a bit more comfortable with the process... the fact that its XFCE instead of gnome has very little to do with your situation.... i remember the first few times i installed the proprietart nvidia drivers, i got just a black screen
[16:16] <johanhar> thanks holstein , I did speak with him, apt-get install nvidia-current was his answer
[16:17] <johanhar> didnt do much, maybe I have to do something more, restart the computer or something :P
[16:18] <holstein> johanhar: this is going to be a kernel module that i would expect requiring a restart
[16:20] <mucus> hiya, i need a bit of advice
[16:20] <mucus> i'm trying to connect to a wireless connection from xubuntu, is there a way that it can automatically scan for networks?
[16:23] <johanhar> holstein: restart didnt help... hmm
[16:25] <holstein> johanhar: right, you are just getting started..i would literally expect this to take you a few days to sort out
[16:25] <johanhar> oh... :(
[16:25] <johanhar> its my setup at work, I dont have days..
[16:25] <holstein> and mabye not provide you the support you are looking for
[16:26] <holstein> your friend with the same hardware is your best resource
[16:26] <johanhar> I see
[16:26] <holstein> you also have not tried ubuntu 10.04
[16:28] <autif> johanhar - just trying to think out of the box - why do you need the nvidia driver? Does the frame buffer driver work at all or are you seeing just the console?
[16:30] <autif> from your comments, it looks like your graphics can limp on framebuffer - while you research the nvidia driver
[16:30] <johanhar> autif: the problem I am having, is that I cannot detect an external monitor using DVI, only VGA (VGA on my laptop, DVI given through my dock)
[16:30] <autif> ah
[16:31] <autif> and external dual monitor configuration is definitely a driver issue, it does not look like framebuffer supports multiple monitors - that I believe is inherent in the graphics card
[16:32] <autif> all the best :-)
[16:32] <holstein> autif: johanhar says his roomate had the dock in question working as johanhar wants
[16:33] <holstein> i would get an adapter before i would lose sleep over this though
[16:33] <holstein> you can literally waste days with these kind of driver questions
[16:33] <autif> yup, I got that - but roommate may or may not be available - I am following
[16:33] <autif> true
[16:35] <mucus> nvm, i figured it out
[16:39] <johanhar> Ehm, my mate tells me that I have two GPUs, and I have to switch which one is being used or something
[16:40] <holstein> hmmm... mabye your mate is not as helpful as i thought...
[16:40] <johanhar> Hehe
[16:40] <mucus> how do i set root privileges to something like a zip extractor?
[16:40] <johanhar> vga_switcheroo hye talked about
[16:41] <holstein> i would be interested in seeing ubuntu 10.04 with the proprietary driver
[16:41] <mucus> nvm, i'll extract to desktop then copy over
[16:42] <mucus> >_< that's not working
[16:43] <mucus> alright, so can i get some advice?
[16:43] <mucus> how do i give myself root access to my folders?
[16:44] <holstein> sudo -s
[16:44] <holstein> that gives you a root session (basically)
[16:44] <mucus> what's the -s mean?
[16:45] <holstein> session for all i know
[16:45] <johanhar> I give up, w7 here I come...
[16:45] <johanhar> cya ;)
[16:45] <mucus> hm
[16:45] <mucus> yeah, that's still not working
[16:45] <mucus> i'm trying to copy a file from desktop to /opt/
[16:45] <holstein> hehe... i would have said "i give up.. intel, here i come!" ;)
[16:45] <holstein> mucus: sudo mv it
[16:46] <mucus> movedir?
[16:46] <holstein> or cp
[16:46] <mucus> i don't know frig about the commands
[16:46] <mucus> i'm a total noob
[16:46] <holstein> i used to run nautilus as root
[16:46] <holstein> that looked like this... gksudo nautilus
[16:47] <mucus> hm
[16:47] <holstein> but, sudo cp /path/to/file.tograb /path/to/where.ever
[16:47] <mucus> i'd rather just have root access in the file manager
[16:48] <holstein> right... so that'll look like gksudo thunar
[16:48] <mucus> there we go
[16:48] <mucus> yeah, i just found that it's thunar
[16:50] <mucus> thanks holstein
[17:00] <mucus> >_< i don't get it
[17:01] <mucus> http://chatzilla.rdmsoft.com/xulrunner/ i'm trying to follow these easy steps, but i'm not making any progress
[17:05] <holstein> mucus: chatzilla is not in the repos?
[17:05] <mucus> it is
[17:05] <mucus> no wait
[17:05] <mucus> what?
[17:06] <mucus> alright, i got it installed
[17:06] <mucus> for some reason terminal wasn't accepting my xulrunner command
[17:06] <mucus> so i had to drag the file from the folder into terminal
[17:06] <mucus> then enter the commands, which to me makes no sense
[17:06] <holstein> i usually use full path names, just to be sure
[17:07] <mucus> how do i register chatzilla into my internet applications list?
[17:07] <holstein> register?.. you can add it, but it runs inside of FF right?
[17:08] <mucus> no, it's a stand alone program now
[17:08] <mucus> that's why i was following those steps
[17:09] <holstein> eh... i would just use xchat personally
[17:09] <mucus> it's a matter of taste really
[17:09] <mucus> but i come back to the same question, how can i register it in the list of applications?
[17:10] <holstein> mucus: you just add it
[17:10] <holstein> you add whatever command starts it
[17:10] <mucus> that sounds easy
[17:10] <holstein> if you run /opt/path/to/whatever.. you just add that as a launcher and put it where you like
[17:11] <mucus> i mean in the upper left, where i have my applications dropdown
[17:11] <mucus> and then each category is listed, with applications in each category
[17:11] <holstein> yup
[17:11] <holstein> you just add a custom launcher to whatever you like
[17:11] <holstein> thats what you have asked for.. by installing a custom applicaton like that *not* using a package manager... you are saying "i would like to take care of this on my own"
[17:12] <mucus> oh
[17:12] <mucus> okay i get that
[17:12] <holstein> thats why i asked if there was not one in the repos
[17:12] <holstein> i see seamonkey-chatzilla.. ive never used chatzilla
[17:12] <mucus> yeah, that's a broweser plugin
[17:12] <mucus> for seamonkey
[17:13] <holstein> thats what i thought the point was... that its in browser...
[17:13] <mucus> no
[17:13] <mucus> that was why i did it this way, so it would be standalone
[17:13] <mucus> which it is right now
[17:13] <holstein> i guess i just thought that was all it had going for it
[17:13] <mucus> i prefer the layout and am keenly familiar with how it operates
[17:15] <holstein> sure..im just saying i personally found it sub-par, and thought the in-browser action was the only real attribute of interest
[17:15] <mucus> can we back up holstein, how do i add a custom launcher?
[17:15] <mucus> pretend i'm a dummy, which really isn't pretending :P
[17:15] <holstein> mucus: right... just determine what command launches the application, and create a launcher for it
[17:15] <holstein> you can place that launcher anywhere... on the desktop, in the menu
[17:15] <mucus> i don't understand how to create a launcher...
[17:16] <mucus> wait
[17:16] <mucus> hang on a sec
[17:16] <holstein> mucus: you can right click on the desktop AFAIK, and try making on there
[17:16] <mucus> i got it
[17:16] <mucus> >_< i'm such a dope
[17:16] <holstein> that would be a good first step... then you can learn to edit the menu from there
[17:16] <holstein> thats an extra step, and i think it looks different than the desktop ones
[17:16] <holstein> it being the process by which they are created lookd different...
[17:18] <mucus> okay, so i've created my desktop launcher
[17:18] <mucus> but... how would i put it in the apps list?
[17:19] <holstein> mucus: its the menu.. AFAIK theres a menu editor
[17:20] <holstein> you'll create another launcher in the menu... you wont move the one you made
[17:22] <mucus> i'm still not understanding it . . .
[17:24] <mucus> hm, but i'll have to tinker with it later
[17:24] <mucus> thanks for hte help holstein
[18:46] <a7i3n> Just did an update, now all I have on login is a blue screen with no wallpaper etc...
[18:47] <a7i3n> anyone out there?
[18:49] <n2diy> I just did an upgrade, and now have no sound!?
[18:50] <n2diy> a7i3n, can you log in?
[18:55] <Marzata> ah
[18:56] <GridCube> n2diy, check that your sound isnt mutted
[18:56] <GridCube> it sometimes get mutted for no reason
[19:16] <n2diy> GridCube, double checked, nothing is muted.
[20:07] <TVasEyes> re update manager.  if I de-select one or more updates, then run the remaining, the manager will list the de-selected again (and again...).  how can I make it 'forget' those items?
[20:23] <TVasEyes> hello? anybody here with some knowledge of update manager and how to tweak its behaviour?
[20:24] <Unit193> !pinning
[20:25] <Unit193> I never use that program, but there should also be a wiki page on it
[20:25] <TVasEyes> thanks, will read now.
[20:25] <n2diy> TVasEyes, I asked that in the past, and the answer then was, you can't ignore them.
[20:29] <TVasEyes> n2diy, Unit193: thanks, seems there's no way (yet):  "NOTE At the time of the making this Wiki there is not a known way to Pin a package with Update Manager."
[20:30] <TVasEyes> very tedious, to say the least.
[20:30] <Unit193> sudo apt'get updateñ sudo apt'get dist'upgrade )only with the right keys=
[20:31] <Unit193> Some people don't like dist-upgrade though
[20:31] <TVasEyes> Unit193: in other words, stop using update manager altogether and do everything manually?
[20:32] <Unit193> Well, in the end what works best for you is what you should use, but I have an alias where I just type in terminal "updates; clean"
[20:35] <TVasEyes> ok, I see.  shame though because update manager is convenient.
[20:35] <TVasEyes> your alias based on apt then?
[20:36] <Unit193> !dist-upgrade |I use this mostly
[20:37] <Unit193> This is my line, YMMV sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sudo apt-get autoremove --purge && sudo apt-get autoclean
[20:38] <TVasEyes> ok, thanks, the question arose over Firefox update, not wanting the unity and french language etc.  also, last virtualbox update (few weeks ago) broke existing setup.
[20:40] <Unit193> I use Aurora and I don't use VBox on that computer
[20:40] <Unit193> (Aurora being alpha firefox)
[20:43] <TVasEyes> ah, googling Aurora confused me. ;)   I'd installed virtualbox from oracle site, added oracle to apt sources but update chose from canonical and -- kaputt. ;(
[20:44] <TVasEyes> anyway, thanks again Unit193, need to think this thorugh.
[20:44] <Unit193> Yeah, pinning is always fun. You can pin that repo higher than the other one though
[21:52] <xubuntu545> busy place
[21:53] <knome> you say that after being here a minute? :)
[22:01] <Marzata> knome: 56 seconds
[22:01] <Marzata> knome: why 12.04 only 3 years LTS?
[22:02] <Myrtti> only?
[22:02] <Myrtti> all desktop LTS's have been 3 years
[22:03] <Marzata> the other buntus are 5 for 12.04
[22:05] <Myrtti> well this'll be the first lts for xubuntu so I'm sure it has something to do with not potentially making it too difficult to support
[22:07] <Unit193> It's had 10.04 as an LTS (and a few more)
[22:07] <Marzata> knome: why?
[22:07] <Unit193> They don't have the dev power to do it
[22:08] <Myrtti> hold on, is my irssi broken
[22:08] <Unit193> Myrtti: This is Xubuntu ;)
[22:09] <Myrtti> Unit193: I know that but it looks like I'm missing a line or my brain isn't working, or Marzata is out of sync somehow
[22:10]  * Marzata is very well rsynced. 
[22:11] <Unit193> Myrtti: Alrighty (knome hasn't said anything if that's the line)
[22:12] <Marzata> see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu#Xubuntu_12.04
[22:13] <Unit193> Anywho, this is offtopic, so you should take it to #xubuntu-offtopic I'd say
[22:37] <Marzata> off topic?
[22:39] <knome> Marzata, we can't give support for xfce longer than 3 years, that's why xubuntu is "only" 3 years lts.
[22:39] <Marzata> knome: for desktop and server?
[22:40] <knome> Marzata, there is no "xubuntu server", only ubuntu server.
[22:40] <Marzata> knome: oh, yes, I'm sleepy...
[22:41] <Marzata> knome: but is ubuntu desktop with 5 years LTS support?
[22:41] <knome> Marzata, that's correct
[22:42] <Marzata> knome: anyway, xubuntu is still the best disto, and 3 years LTs is quite great. And thank you for the great job.
[22:42] <knome> thanks, and you're welcome
[22:43] <knome> in the future, if we have more contributors that can sustain their contributions, we can think the 5 year lts again
[22:43] <knome> right now, we just can't do that
[22:46] <Marzata> knome: xubuntu has the best usability and let's hope many ppl will move to the project.
[22:46] <knome> i hope so too