[01:41] <go8765> can anybody help me please to install cuberok. this is log http://paste.ubuntu.com/808087/
[01:42] <go8765> can anybody help me please to install cuberok. this is log http://paste.ubuntu.com/808087/
[01:42] <go8765> *sorry if repeat
[01:48] <FuZi0N> Anyone know how to modify the maximum number of connections per user for pptp vpn in ubuntu?
[03:10] <moes> K3b has corrupted ...what command do I use to remove
[03:13] <metap0d> anyone here using the default irc client quassel in kubuntu?
[03:13] <metap0d> I just installed and this is my first linux distribution ... I want to move the channel list above the chat and not on the left : /
[03:13] <metap0d> I feel dumb but I cannot for the life of me find the option
[03:13] <James147> metap0d: drag and drop ^^
[03:13] <metap0d> I'm tryingg : P
[03:14] <metap0d> it doesn't drag except off the quassel main window entirely
[03:14] <James147> moes: sudo apt-get remove <packagename>
[03:14] <metap0d> i can move the topic bar easily
[03:14] <James147> metap0d: o, wait, you cannot drag and drop to the top/bottom, only the sides
[03:14] <moes> James147, Do I use purge also
[03:15] <metap0d> so there isn't a way? : (
[03:15] <James147> moes: purge removes config files, remove dose not... if its a problem with the configs (not the user ones, but the system ones) then purge
[03:16] <moes> James147, Thanks for the info
[03:16] <James147> metap0d: Not without editing the source, :) though I bet it would be a one line edit...
[03:17] <James147> metap0d: you could file a bug report, though I think it was a done this was as the chat window is normally to long to effenctly display above or below
[03:17] <metap0d> this is the only graphical irc client i've seen that doesn't allow it : P
[03:17] <metap0d> but nah it isn't too much trouble, I'm sure I'll find something else
[03:18] <James147> metap0d: thats not the way to get programs fixed :)
[03:18] <metap0d> it's not 'broken' : )
[03:18] <metap0d> To be fair I used quassel on Windows and disliked it on that platform too
[03:18] <James147> metap0d: depends on your definition... it dosnt do what you want thus it is broken for you
[03:18] <metap0d> :P
[03:19] <metap0d> uhm ... another possibly stupid question
[03:19] <metap0d> is there a graphical tool to perform updates? I googled and found I could do sudo apt-get update ... but some of the other livecds i tried had their own tool
[03:19] <metap0d> does it matter?
[03:20] <James147> metap0d: there is a gui tool for updating and installing packages on kubuntu... the latest uses muon i believe, but eailer versions use kpackagekit
[03:20] <James147> ^^ you should beable to get to it from the menu or system settings
[03:21] <James147> metap0d: however, it dosnt matter which you use
[03:23] <metap0d> ah :
[03:24] <James147> metap0d: o, and apt-get update only updates the packagelist (equlivent to the "refresh package list" button in the guis) if you want to upgrade you have to update then upgrade: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[03:31] <metap0d> James147: Do you mind if I ask how/why you chose Kubuntu? : o
[03:33] <James147> metap0d: originally because it mostly just worked and felt nicer to use then the other options I had tried...
[03:35] <James147> metap0d: but mostly because its one of only a few kde and non yum based distros :)
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[03:46] <metap0d> yes, I understand.
[03:47] <datruth_> To install kde am I to just sudo apt-get install kde4 kdm and if so how do I remvoe all of gnome afterwards?
[03:47] <metap0d> lol : o
[03:47] <metap0d> this is #kubuntu
[03:47] <James147> datruth_: install kubuntu-desktop is the best way to install kde
[03:48] <James147> !purekde | datruth_
[03:48] <datruth_> James147: great is there a method to remove gnome afterwards?
[03:48] <datruth_> thx
[03:48] <metap0d> James147: Updating packages seems to have frozen at 52%, and my web browser broke and said it can't handle http protocol : (
[03:48] <ts2> I wouldn't try the purekde stuff on > 10.04
[03:49] <datruth_> im on 11.10
[03:49] <James147> metap0d: 52% download?
[03:49] <metap0d> wow ..
[03:49] <James147> ts2: that link says different
[03:49] <metap0d> I should take a screenshot of how buggy this is
[03:50] <almoxarife> ts2: there is an updated purekde  for 11.10, wiped ubuntu clean off my system, too clean, i wanted to keep synaptic and a few other apps
[03:50] <ts2> James147: Kubuntu ships many GTK parts now, so it's not so simple
[03:50] <James147> ts2: I think that page will ahve taken that into account....
[03:51] <James147> infact... the command do a removal then install kubuntu-desktop.... so anything removed that shouldnt have been will be installed again
[03:52] <ts2> dependencies can be tricky, easy to break and difficult to fix, just a warning
[03:52] <James147> ts2: kubuntu-desktop should depend on everything kubuntu ships with... so installing that should pull in anything needed by the default kubuntu
[03:53] <ts2> James147: my worry is everything before installing kubuntu-desktop
[03:53] <James147> (but yes, always take care when remvoing packages :D  )
[03:54] <James147> ts2: like what?
[03:54] <datruth_> after kubuntu is installed how would i reinstall all packages to make sure everything works?
[03:54] <James147> datruth_: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop      ... if it dose nothing then nothing needs to be done
[03:54] <almoxarife> ts2: you are partially correct, any ubuntu apps that survive the wipe dont work well afterwards, unless the app is reinstalled, which brings back enough of ubuntu to satisfy the app, worked for me
[03:55] <datruth_> James147: gotcha even previous programs like virtualbox etc should be fine?
[03:55] <ts2> James147: none of the packages specifically, just in general removing all those packages could end badly if a mistake is made
[03:55] <James147> datruth_: maby not ^^ just reinstall anythign you need and it should pull in what it needs again... so "sudo apt-get install virtualbox"
[03:55] <datruth_> ts2: mistake how?
[03:56] <almoxarife> datruth_: i think virtualbox will get wiped initially, re-install it, your home-confs are safe, so no damage done
[03:56] <datruth_> why is the data getting wiped?
[03:56] <ts2> datruth_: for example, a typo
[03:56] <James147> ts2: copy and paste the command shouldnt cause a mistake :)
[03:56] <almoxarife> datruth_: data is not! wiped
[03:56] <ts2> James147: you assume no mistake on the web page ;)
[03:57]  * datruth_ will install kubuntu first
[03:57] <datruth_> then remove the what I dont want
[03:57] <datruth_> or just leave it
[03:58]  * James147 cannot remember what apt-get dose if you try to remove a dependency.... thinks it just fails with a message... so he dosnt think anything that was install should be removed anyway
[03:59] <ts2> James147: it will _also_ remove anything that depends on the package you have chosen to remove, you are the boss after all
[04:00] <James147> ts2: hmm... been using pacman to long now :) I assumed it wouldnt remove dependencies unless told to
[04:00] <ts2> you have told it so, by pressing 'y' or enter
[04:01] <almoxarife> datruth_: you dont need to wipe it, you can have both on the machine, its up to you
[04:01] <ts2> it tells you it will also remove all these packages, but that's likely to get lost in the other packages you are also removing. so you really have to *read* the output before continuing
[04:01] <datruth_> almoxarife: i was thinking gnome and kubuntu would take up alot of space
[04:01] <James147> ts2: so it dosnt remove them silently... then it shouldnt be a problem... assuming you dont just "yes | sudo apt-get..."
[04:02] <almoxarife> datruth_: i would think it would add up to a gig maybe
[04:02] <James147> datruth_: depends on what you mean by allot... kubuntu is onlt about 2-3gig on a fresh install... and allot of that space would be shared by gnome...
[04:02] <ts2> James147: people generally don't like reading lots of information to "do a simple task", peope never read...
[04:02] <James147> ts2: yeah :(
[04:03] <James147> ts2: though I hope that if they ahve to ask here then they will at least be causious with that they run :)
[04:03] <datruth_> hrmm so 5gb for gnome and kde?
[04:04] <James147> datruth_: probally, maby less maby more depending on what else you have installed
[04:04] <datruth_> gotcha
[04:04] <datruth_> does kde have the gnome-shell like desktop where you can pin apps to the side etc?
[04:06] <James147> datruth_: it have a pannel which is far more felxable... you can add any app or widget to it... and place it on the side if you want
[04:06] <datruth_> hrmm
[04:06] <James147> you can pin application to the taskbar as well.... or add a launcher to the panel itself
[04:06] <datruth_> hrnn
[04:07] <datruth_> hopefully this will fix my graphics lag
[04:08] <James147> ... moving the panel to the side and removing the other widgets then pinning the applications you want will result in a similar effect to unity
[04:08] <James147> I even think there is a plasma script somewhere that will make plasma-desktop look like unity ^^
[04:10] <James147> datruth_: heh, there are even widget designed to mimic unitys behaviour -> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/unity-like-launcher-for-kde-icon-tasks.html
[04:12] <datruth_> hrmm ok so kde is installed
[04:12] <datruth_> err kubuntu
[04:12] <datruth_> but every looks the same
[04:12] <datruth_> my login screen was different
[04:13] <datruth_> i liked that
[04:13] <James147> datruth_: logout and change the session type to "kde" or "plasama" and log in
[04:14] <James147> datruth_: you can have multiple desktop envroments installed... and you can pick which one you want to launch from the login screen, it defaults to what you picked previously
[04:17] <datruth_> ahh okay
[04:18] <datruth_> so I can still keep the gnome desktop with kubuntu but the mac theme funtionality will be gone?
[04:18] <James147> datruth_: mac theme functionality?
[04:20] <datruth_> yes like with the regulare gnome-shell i done have min/max buttons
[04:21] <James147> by default kde uses kwin... so you will have what that supports not what unitys window manager supports (same with the rest of the components)
[04:21] <datruth_> gotcha
[04:21] <James147> so yes, you will have a maximise and minimise button... though in kde you can remove them if you want :)
[04:22] <datruth_> i wonder if kubuntu uses more ram then that regular ubuntu?
[04:22] <datruth_> James147: i will keep I want the buttons
[04:22] <James147> you can also tell kde to use a different window manager if you want to replace it with the old one... though you lose some kde intergration if youu do
[04:22] <datruth_> how can this be done?
[04:23] <datruth_> and in kde or this window manager my graphics lag seems to have cleared up
[04:24] <almoxarife> datruth_: dont tell the ubuntu people, they might like it
[04:24] <James147> system settings > default applications > windowmanager.... or if you just want to try it out for a session you can run you old window manager (ie if it was metacity run "metacity --replace")
[04:24] <almoxarife> datruth_: anyway, welcome to a real desktop
[04:30] <datruth_> lol  yeah im liking this better
[04:30] <datruth_> almoxarife: do you use the plasma-desktop to?
[04:30] <datruth_> and how much ram does this normally use up
[04:31] <James147> datruth_: using 244M here... though it will vary allot depending on what widgets you have
[04:31] <almoxarife> datruth_: yeap
[04:32] <almoxarife> i run around 398-412 at startup
[04:32] <datruth_> hrmm
[04:32] <almoxarife> James147: how do you keep it so lean?
[04:33] <almoxarife> datruth_: i run plasma with cairo-dock
[04:33] <James147> almoxarife: only installed what I needed... (currently running on arch linux rather then kubutnu)
[04:33] <datruth_> are there default widgets I can edit to shrink the ram I am use .78 GB during startup
[04:33] <ts2> don't use firefox, then you'll see how much RAM you save...
[04:33] <datruth_> on a 12gb system maybe I shouldn't even care
[04:34] <James147> ts2: same can be said aout most browsers :)
[04:34] <datruth_> thx everyone for the help and info
[04:34] <almoxarife> James147: i try to find crap to offload but i ran out of obvious
[04:34] <James147> almoxarife: thats one reason I moved from kubuntu... i prefure building a system up rather then down
[04:35] <ts2> James147: firefox is more of a hog that most other things, it's apparently using nerly 1GB here, and I'm not even viewing anything flash-y
[04:36] <almoxarife> James147: i take the system and squeeze it slowly till its bone thin and begging for a little sugar in the diet, :)
[04:36] <James147> ts2: true..
[04:37] <James147> almoxarife: the 400M ram for plasma is with or without shared libs?
[04:38] <almoxarife> James147: not sure i am understanding, its total ram usage at idle with tracker at login from a boot
[04:39] <James147> almoxarife: so not plasma but the whole system?
[04:39] <almoxarife> James147: of course
[04:40] <James147> almoxarife: :) mine was for what plasma is currently using... at about 2.5G total ram
[04:41] <James147> 1.2G if i close chromium:D
[04:42] <almoxarife> James147: at 1.5 gig abouts with chromium
[04:42] <almoxarife> James147: 1.1
[04:42] <James147> have about 17 tabs open on mine :)
[04:43] <datruth_> how can I kill the startup sound?
[04:43] <James147> system settings > notifications
[04:43] <datruth_> awesome thx
[04:44] <dies_irae> hei
[04:44] <dies_irae> wurup
[04:44] <dies_irae> anyone chillin open dis pice??
[04:44] <dies_irae> kan axe a questino here??
[04:44] <almoxarife> english?
[04:44] <dies_irae> surely
[04:45] <almoxarife> ah
[04:47] <almoxarife> i have yet to figure out how to increase the volume of system notices
[04:47] <dies_irae> ok here we go
[04:48] <dies_irae> best amarok plasma widget for KDE??
[04:48] <James147> !best | dies_irae
[04:48] <dies_irae> almoxarife: i'd would find that annoying as hell.
[04:49] <dies_irae> :(((
[04:49] <James147> dies_irae: though I just use veromix (pulseaudio volume control widget) which has amarok controlls
[04:49] <dies_irae> mm.. amma check it out
[04:51]  * almoxarife stripped pulse from plasma, excect where dependencies required some portion of it, runs great
[04:51] <James147> almoxarife: I have more issues with setting up alsa to work properly when I ahve with pulse :)
[04:51] <dies_irae> damn, veromix crashed the desktop
[04:52] <James147> heh
[04:52] <dies_irae> how to kill veromix??
[04:52] <James147> dies_irae: its a widget so is running as part of plasma-desktop...
[04:52] <dies_irae> :( seems like the entire windows engine is compromised. that'd suck if I have to kill my desktop!!!
[04:52] <dies_irae> I mad as hell now!!!
[04:53] <James147> run "plasma-desktop" in a shell or krunner to relaunch it
[04:53] <dies_irae> nothing happens
[04:54] <dies_irae> kmenu killed as well
[04:54] <James147> run it in a shell and see what it outputs
[04:54] <dies_irae> no output
[04:54] <dies_irae> doesn't even return
[04:55] <metap0d> hrm so I just followed a short guide to get my nvidia optimus setup working, and it did indeed work. BUt when I followed the guide to update the graphics driver I lost a ton of fps in glxgears, is there an easy way to revert?
[04:55] <James147> metap0d: ignore glxgears framerate
[04:55] <James147> metap0d: a decrease means nothing
[04:56] <metap0d> James147: I hope so ... I lost like 3,500 fps : P
[04:56] <James147> and an increase means nothing... it is not a benchmarking util
[04:56] <James147> metap0d: what is it now?
[04:57] <dies_irae> James147: whats' that supposed to do?
[04:57] <metap0d> it's incredibly sporadic ..., anywhere from 2500 to 3400
[04:57]  * dies_irae wishes didn't install bug ridden veromix
[04:57] <metap0d> sorry I was reading frames
[04:57] <metap0d> around 690fps as an average
[04:57] <metap0d> which is like 300 above my intel card :/
[04:57] <skierpage> In Kubuntu 11.10 I used `sudo aptitude remove` to uninstall some unnecessary packages before an update That worked, but then I got a different system tray (i) notification about updates. I now have muon-updater and apper --updates running.
[04:57] <dies_irae> James147: the widget got a question mark.
[04:58] <James147> metap0d: I wouldnt worry about it... its quite common to get a decrease in fps on glxgears while getting an increase in fps form actual graphics programs
[04:58] <James147> dies_irae: then remove the widget
[04:58] <skierpage> I guess it doesn't hurt, but it seems strange I've got two updaters. I think normally Apper appears from the gear with a download arrow.
[04:59] <metap0d> i see
[04:59] <metap0d> brb reboot needed : P
[05:00] <skierpage> Hmmm, http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=97650 says "apper (and kpackagekit) was replaced by Muon in Kubuntu 11.10." True?
[05:00] <James147> skierpage: yup
[05:00] <datruth_> how can I increase my volume it seems like I have to drag the volume bar up 4bars before I hear anything?
[05:01] <James147> skierpage: you might still have both installed... should be safe to remove one (or even both :)  )  you can always use command line to install them again
[05:01] <dies_irae> James147: how?? the whole thing is frozen up!!
[05:01] <dies_irae> James147: I don't have right click anymore!!
[05:01] <skierpage> James147 thanks, hmm, interesting the 11.10 system update didn't clean them out.
[05:01] <James147> dies_irae: "killall plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop" in krunner
[05:01] <dies_irae> what can I kill that wont bring down the windowing system??
[05:02] <datruth_> And how can I use my nvida hdmi sound?
[05:02] <James147> datruth_: look at phonons settings in the multimedia section of system settings
[05:02] <dies_irae> James147: PHHHEEEEWWW!!!! that did it!!
[05:03] <dies_irae> I was terrified of losing my 200 opened tabs in firefox!!
[05:03] <James147> dies_irae: you should close or bookmark them if your that worried...
[05:03] <James147> dies_irae: also, firefox tends to have a good crash handler and restores tabs if that happens
[05:03] <almoxarife> dies_irae <-- troll
[05:03] <dies_irae> James147: why veromix crashed plasma?? any other amarok widget that won't crash my OS??
[05:04] <skierpage> `sudo aptitude remove apper` got rid of it, and libpackagekit-qt2-2. Thanks!
[05:04] <James147> dies_irae: not sure.... and look at kdelook.org for other widgets
[05:04] <dies_irae> almoxarife: who u callin troll??
[05:05] <dies_irae> James147: I am running 11.10
[05:05] <datruth_> James147: ok so i've tested sound out of the nvida hdmi how do I make it the master channel?
[05:06] <James147> datruth_: set it as the prefered device for all the outputs on the first tab in the phonon configs
[05:06] <almoxarife> dies_irae: you, 200 tabs open??? no, cant see it
[05:07]  * James147 knows some people that can ahve that many open :s and dosnt under stand how they can use their browser 
[05:07] <dies_irae> ah alright, sometimes is more when I have other browsers opened simultanously. But since I am on LiveUSB I try to keep it small.
[05:07] <James147> though i guess taht 200 is an exagration
[05:07] <datruth_> James147: by doing that I have no sound now
[05:07] <datruth_> James147: that sound must only be for the hdmi port?
[05:08] <dies_irae> why exageration?? there are many sites on da intrawobz.
[05:08] <James147> ^^ thats what book marks are for
[05:09] <datruth_> James147: how  can I adjust my volume so it can play louder than what the volume bar is allowing me to hear
[05:10] <James147> datruth_: not sure you can... though run "alsamixer" in a terminal and check the volumes there (f6 to switch devices)
[05:10] <romeyro> hello guys, anyone know how i can use my desktop like the older kde version. I can not create folder and file on my desktop :S
[05:12] <James147> romeyro: kde4 uses widgets on the desktop bydefault, you can place file and folders there as widgets, or you can use the "folder view" widget to display the contents of a single folder (and interact with them).... or you can change the activity type to "folder view" to get legicy behaviour
[05:13] <James147> romeyro: the folder view widget has the advantage that you can have multiples of them pointing to different folders...
[05:13] <James147> (and can also be placed in the panel)
[05:17] <romeyro> its a good idea James147, its how i set it on my desktop but my laptop screen is small and i always need to create really quick a file or a folder. With the desktop accessibility it ll be faster
[05:18]  * James147 tends to use a terminal when he needs ro quickly create files and folders :D
[05:19] <James147> romeyro: but anyway :) switch the activity type to folderview to turn the background into the folderview widget
[05:19] <romeyro> i use a terminal too but when u have to copy files really quick from another media :P a quick drag and drop couldnt be bad :)
[05:21] <romeyro> James147: Thank you for your help :)
[05:23] <dies_irae> best app to take screenshots?
[05:23] <James147> dies_irae: ksnapshot
[05:24] <James147> is the default kubuntu/kde one
[05:25] <datruth_> James147: in ubuntu /  gnome there was a button to make things larger
[05:26] <James147> datruth_: there is a kwin effect to do that
[05:26] <dies_irae> thanks
[05:26] <James147> datruth_: system settings > desktop effects > all effect > zoom (make sure its enabled)
[05:27] <James147> meta+- and meta+= to zoom in and out meta+0 to reset
[05:30] <datruth_> James147: hrmm
[05:35] <James147> datruth_:  ^^
[05:41] <datruth_> yes?
[05:41] <datruth_> those settings didn't make a change at all
[05:41] <datruth_> oh what is meta+=?
[05:42] <datruth_> ahh
[05:42] <datruth_> alt
[05:42] <datruth_> got it thats works thx
[05:42] <datruth_> err windowsx key i mean
[05:44] <James147> datruth_: yeah, meta means the windows key on most keyboards
[05:44] <datruth_> doesn't work like it did in ubuntu
[05:44] <James147> datruth_: how did it work?
[05:44] <datruth_> there was zoom option and something that just enlarged the desktop and words etc
[05:44] <James147> font size?
[05:44] <datruth_> yeah i clicked a button and my font changed for everything
[05:44] <datruth_> making it more readable
[05:46] <James147> datruth_: do you switch font sizes allot?
[05:46] <datruth_> nope
[05:46] <datruth_> clicked one button and made life easier
[05:47] <James147> datruth_: then system settings > app appearnce > fonts
[05:49] <datruth_> yeah that didn't really help
[05:49] <datruth_> it made everything bigger but my chat window
[05:49] <datruth_> i'll just adjust the fonts manually for each app
[05:49] <datruth_> ;/
[05:50] <James147> datruth_: chat window for what?
[05:50] <datruth_> like right now im in a terminal window
[05:50] <datruth_> on irssi
[05:50] <datruth_> and the font that I see now of this chat
[05:50] <datruth_> hasn't changed
[05:50] <James147> datruth_: konsole can override the systems font setings
[05:50] <datruth_> ahh
[05:51] <James147> datruth_: settings > configure current profile > apperance
[05:51] <James147> also crtl+shift+= and ctrl+- change font size in konsole
[05:52] <datruth_> yeah i'll just use that
[06:23] <datruth_> thanks everyone for the help
[07:07] <dies_irae> hello??
[07:08] <dies_irae> is it possible to see file torrent completion in Dolphin??
[07:08] <dies_irae> I'd find that to be useful
[07:08] <dies_irae> so I know when to open the file.
[07:09] <jessie_> dies_irae: I don't believe so.
[07:09] <e_t_> Not in Dolphin, no. But you can minimize KTorrent to the systray and keep an eye on it that way.
[07:10] <dies_irae> there's an appropiate meme for this sorta situation.
[07:10] <dies_irae> but I can't say it though.
[07:11] <dies_irae> e_t_: I am not using ktorrent, rtorrent
[07:16] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[07:22] <dies_irae> w00t
[07:23] <dies_irae> I have a question
[07:23] <dies_irae> hello? anyone?
[07:23] <Tm_T> dies_irae: hello, you should just ask your question (:
[07:23] <dies_irae> I know
[07:24] <dies_irae> it's about kubuntu laptop install.
[07:24] <dies_irae> it had a funky overlay, not the full desktop. anyone have an idea why would that happen?
[07:25] <dies_irae> it was awfull but when back to regular kde desktop after a few reboots.
[07:25] <dies_irae> someone care to explain this bizarre behavior?
[07:26] <dies_irae> so??
[07:27] <Tm_T> dies_irae: patience (:
[07:28] <Tm_T> dies_irae: do you have plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook installed?
[07:28] <dies_irae> Tm_T: now that you mentioned that, I might've dowloaded a netbook edition ISO.
[07:28] <Tm_T> if unlucky, you might have them both running and fighting on which one is on top
[07:29] <dies_irae> but I am still curious why did it default to regular KDE?? The weird overlay did crash a few times too.
[07:37] <dies_irae> how to fix 99% stuck torrent??
[07:37] <dies_irae> ^^^ First World Problemo
[08:08] <badola> exit
[08:26] <raymears> hi everyone. using 11.10 with kde 4.8 rc2 from the beta ppa. i have this issue of virtuoso hogging one cpu core.. on and off..but still... on a dual core with a vm running in parallel it tends to be rather tedious..
[08:26] <raymears> any ideas what i can do about it?
[08:40] <raymears> my cpu fan is spinning up like mad!
[08:42] <raymears> i have even disabled strigi
[11:10] <rethus> i still read at the kubuntu-page about office-suite "Open office" isn't it libre office anymore?
[11:51] <saad_> Hi all.
[11:51] <saad_> lethu: Hi.
[11:53] <sb1980> hi! what's the recommended driver/setup for a "ATI Technologies Inc RV610 video device [Radeon HD 2400 PRO]" with 2 monitors
[11:54] <sb1980> i'm feeling like catalyst is slowing down my system
[12:00] <ikonia> sb1980: why do you feel that
[12:00] <rethus> maybe try the default kubuntu driver.. but catalyst is speeding up my system a lot... java3d is not working without it
[12:02] <sb1980> ikonia: i've got 2 stations running kubuntu. 1 desktop pc with catalyst driver and 1 laptop without (nvidia card). the desktop has 8GB ram, laptop 4GB and the desktop has more CPU. it's still slower then my laptop
[12:03] <sb1980> and by now, the driver is the only big difference i see
[12:03] <ikonia> sb1980: nvidia doesn't use catalyst
[12:03] <ikonia> sb1980: they are totally different systems with display engine there is no reason to blame catalyst
[12:03] <sb1980> that's why that one is faster... its the one without catalyst and nvidia. catalyst & ati is slow
[12:03] <ikonia> sb1980: that's a crazy way to approach it
[12:04] <sb1980> ikonia: i'm just guessing. because i feel the system slowing down when it comes to window effects etc
[12:04] <sb1980> which are running smooth on the nvidia system
[12:04] <ikonia> sb1980: ati support in general is poor,
[12:07] <sb1980> ikonia, rethus: so i guess switching to defualt driver would be worth a try
[12:07] <ikonia> you probably won't get hardware accelleration
[12:15] <saad__> Hi all.
[12:18] <Simon_PL> hi
[12:20] <yon_> how can i install kde themes manually
[12:22] <yon_> how can i install kde themes manually
[12:23] <saad__> Hi all.
[12:23] <yon_> how can i install kde themes manually
[12:24] <saad__> Can someone please help me install the the brcm80211 driver for the Broadcom 4313 wireless chipset on Ubuntu?
[12:25] <yon_> how can i install kde themes manually
[12:26] <yon_> this thing sucks, gnome rocks
[12:41] <sb1980> are there any other ideas why the system is slowing down that much?
[12:44] <ikonia> poor ati support ?
[12:58] <noaXess> since laste kate update. executable fiels wil be executed instead of opened in default application, like kate... eg. .py files will be executed if execute bit is set.. before update, they are opened in default app kate..
[12:58] <noaXess> any hint how to set that behavior back?
[13:02] <noaXess> or maybe it's a dolphin issue, change
[13:20] <noaXess> in dolphin executable files will be executed.. but i want, that they are opened in eg. kate... how to change that behavior?
[13:50] <yon_> hellow hellow
[13:50] <yon_> i can run blender 2.58 portable in kubuntu 11.10
[13:50] <yon_> i cant run blender 2.58 portable in kubuntu 11.10
[13:52] <Torch> yon_: i thought you were going to use gnome?
[14:05] <JumpJiveAndHail> Hey folks.  Need help setting up wireless.  I've got Ubuntu server LTE 10.04 with the KDE desktop on top of it.  Can't get the sucker to work for the life of me.
[14:58] <Lynoure> I have a really strange problem
[14:58] <prodigy> what kind of problem?
[14:58] <Lynoure> If I use G+ hangout, or other Google video chat on my Chromium, the image flickers rapidly, and does that through (sic!) other windows
[14:59] <Lynoure> Have not tried with firefox yet.
[15:00] <prodigy> Check it out..  On the other hand also try re-installing Chromium
[15:00] <prodigy> Your codex might be f##ked
[15:01] <Lynoure> But a chromium problem should not cause such flicker through other windows...
[15:01] <Lynoure> I think. So which package should I reinstall, any idea?
[15:02] <prodigy> Which one have you got?
[15:03] <Lynoure> I don't know what codex it is....
[15:05] <prodigy> just use the software center
[15:10] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:47] <sakljdfaklsjdfa> Any Backtrack 5 users??
[15:53] <Omar> Hi all.
[15:55] <Omar> I have this problem with my Broadcom 4313 [14e4:4727] Wireless chipset which I later discovered is not supported, unfortunately. But I still think there should be something I can do about it. Can someone please help me?
[16:19] <new2net> Something I am running is making an excessive number of DNS queries. How would I find the process responsible? I am using kubuntu 11.04 (natty), if that matters.
[16:20] <BluesKaj> new2net,  tell us what you're running
[16:21] <new2net> BluesKaj, ps ax ?
[16:23] <rp12_> hello there, 2 things i did and now kubuntu keeps annoying me every boot. i set up kmail to see what its like and later removed, but now every book kwallet asks me for password, and i already deleted all the itens in the only wallet i have.
[16:24] <rp12_> and also, i disabled nepomuk indexing and every book a message pops up about akonadi needing nepomuk indexing to work properly.
[16:24] <rp12_> any fixes?
[16:24] <jessie> rp12_: You may want to try deleting the whole wallet, and stopping Kmail from running.
[16:24] <jessie> Does it say anything about what program asked to open the wallet?
[16:25] <rp12_> jessie: nope, it just say its for gmail access. and kmail is already purged from my system.
[16:25] <rp12_> jessie: ill try to remove the entire wallet.
[16:27] <jessie> rp12_: Ah. Akonadi seems to be how the IMAP server gets interacted with. I believe it is a 'Akonadi Resource' that does it. You may also want to go into the Akonadi resources and check to ensure it is gone from there too.
[16:29] <rp12_> jessie: yep! the "google mail" thing is listed in akonadi resources and has a note "user rejected wallet access".
[16:29] <rp12_> jessie: thank you man!
[16:29] <SpenserWilde> Hi all.
[16:29] <jessie> rp12_: Sure thing!
[16:29] <rp12_> jessie: looks like akonadi is whats causing all my problems
[16:29] <rp12_> :)
[16:29] <jessie> rp12_: I know how you feel. Great idea in theory, but it still needs some work.
[16:30] <SpenserWilde> It's me again, with the same problem as yesterday. My Broadcom 4313 [14e4:4727] isn't working properly. :/
[16:30] <jessie> SpenserWilde: This is on that new HP?
[16:31] <SpenserWilde> jessie, Yes. The Core i5 HP 9 series.
[16:32] <jessie> Did you get it to work very well at all yesterday, SpenserWilde?
[16:32] <rp12_> oh noes, wikipedia is offline to protest sopa :(
[16:33] <SpenserWilde> jessie, Nope. I'm still having the same problem. It detects and connects to the wireless but it doesn't detect the whole signal (only 80% of it at best), and the internet speed is extremely slow. Not a single webpage loads.
[16:34] <rp12_> using firebug you can block the wikipedia blocking message and use it normally :) heh
[16:36] <jessie> rp12_: Or you can disable Javascript. No JS, no problem.
[16:36] <rp12_> jessie: heh, even easier :)
[16:40] <SpenserWilde> jessie, Now for some reason, after I tinkered with it for some time, I don't even have an "Enable Wireless" option, and typing "rfkill list all" in a terminal yields not results at all.
[16:41] <jessie> SpenserWilde:  Well... I dunno. I've never had that problem.
[16:41] <SpenserWilde> Well.. Then I wish somebody else can  help me.. :(
[16:50] <BluesKaj> jessie,  run in the terminal, sudo dhclient wlan0 , or whatever you wlan has been assigned..thi s should autoconfigure an existing connection
[16:51] <BluesKaj> err not jessie , SpenserWilde , read above
[16:52] <OliveGreen> BluesKaj, it says "cannot find wlan0".
[16:53] <OliveGreen> BluesKaj, Plus, there is no "Enable Wireless" option available for some reason. After I tried to fiddle with it for some time.
[16:54] <jessie> OliveGreen: Are you sure you have the hardware switch on? Is the wireless light on the laptop on?
[16:55] <OliveGreen> jessie, Yes it is.
[16:59] <OliveGreen> I am trying to pastebin the relevant parts of the Jockey.log for you to take a look at but the file is huge!
[17:00] <BluesKaj> OliveGreen,  sudo ifconfig wlan0 up , then run this to find the network , sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid
[17:02] <BluesKaj> brb
[17:02] <omar> BluesKaj, tyt (This is SpenserWilde).
[17:08] <BluesKaj> wish you guys would keep the same nicks
[17:10] <SpenserWild_> Hi
[17:10] <SpenserWild_> It's me SpenserWild (from the HP laptop).
[17:11] <SpenserWild_> BluesKaj, are you there?
[17:18] <datruth_> During boot up right before my login screen appears I get a funky background like it got broke or something then after login everything is fine can anyone explain tbis?
[17:18] <Scunizi> Since installing and using the kubuntu-desktop *after* ubuntu-desktop was installed, the software updates program (kde version) will list what is available but will not download/install as it errors our about propert authorization not being provided.  There's never a dialogue for entering the password. What's the fix? or is there one. CLI upgrades with apt are painless.
[17:19] <BluesKaj> SpenseWilde_,  yup , i'm here
[17:20] <datruth_> Scunizi: i get that same problem
[17:20] <BluesKaj> Scunizi,  using sudo with apt-get ?
[17:20] <datruth_> so I use apt-get in terminal
[17:21] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: apt-get works fine
[17:21] <BluesKaj> then use that muon package manager is buggy
[17:21] <Scunizi> datruth_: that's what I've been doing.. actually have a bash_aliases entry for full upgrades called "up"
[17:21] <BluesKaj> use apt-get , that is
[17:21] <datruth_> ahh
[17:22] <datruth_> does anyone else have this werid screen boot problem?
[17:22] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: okie dokie.. how do normally fresh installed kubuntu users find out how to upgrade?
[17:22] <datruth_> werid patterns and colors
[17:22] <Scunizi> datruth_: could be a video driver issue
[17:22] <datruth_> Hrmm
[17:22] <Scunizi> datruth_: not being loaded at that moment
[17:22] <datruth_> so this is normal behavior?
[17:22] <Scunizi> datruth_: I wouldn't sweat that one either.
[17:22] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get update , then, sudo apt-get upgrade , Scunizi
[17:23] <datruth_> ahh I see
[17:23] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:23] <datruth_> alright then thought it was an issue that needed to be addressed before it got worse
[17:23] <BluesKaj> also sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will keep your kde version up to date
[17:23] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: you mean with new point releases?
[17:24] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: I thought that was done through backports or someplace
[17:24] <Scunizi> or PPA's
[17:24] <BluesKaj> Scunizi,  I don't run that string , in case there's someting in the update that I don't want and so i can see what's going to be upgraded
[17:24] <SpenseWilde_> BluesKaj, Typing "rfkill list all" yields no results at all.
[17:25] <SpenseWilde_> BluesKaj, Also, trying to activate the driver from the Restricted Drivers gives me an error in Jockey.log.
[17:25] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: I've never run into that situation.. mostly for my production desktop.  no additional servers loaded like apache etc.
[17:26] <BluesKaj> Scunizi,  no matter , i ike to see what's being updated :)
[17:26] <BluesKaj> Scunizi,  , but it's your choice
[17:26] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: how to you reference what is in the list for dist-upgrade prior to actually upgrading?
[17:27] <BluesKaj> by just running the upgrade , before saying "Y"
[17:28] <BluesKaj> I have all my apt commands aliased , so it's nor biggie
[17:28] <Scunizi> ah.. even using that string in a bash_aliases file I still get quired (sp?) to enter "Y" with each section of upgrade.
[17:30] <BluesKaj> SpenseWilde_,  what wifi card? , lspci | grep -i net
[17:31] <BluesKaj> oops , wrong command SpenserWilde '
[17:31] <datruth_> looks like in kubuntu ive lost my virtualbox
[17:31] <datruth_> and I can't seem to install the .deb from the site
[17:31] <datruth_> ;/
[17:31] <Scunizi> datruth_: what happens?  I've not had that issue
[17:33] <Scunizi> datruth_: are you installing by trying to double click the deb? if it doesn't then the execute bit is probably not set. Right mouse click > Permissions or use CLI and sudo +x <file_name.deb>
[17:34] <datruth_> i get he install logo
[17:34] <datruth_> it pretends to install
[17:34] <datruth_> but does nothing
[17:34] <datruth_> so i've done apt-get install virtualbox
[17:34] <datruth_> hoping i can override it
[17:35] <BluesKaj> datruth_,  open a terminal in the folder with deb file , then sudo dpkg -i nameof.deb , or whatever the name is
[17:35] <Scunizi> datruth_: that command gives you a different version of vbox without usb support and other things.. you'll have to uninstall that prior to installing the .deb.. you might also have to install build-essential if you haven't done so already.. also install dkms
[17:35] <Scunizi> datruth_: BluesKaj's way typically will also work if the extra packages are not needed.
[17:36] <BluesKaj> it's just the generic dpkg install command
[17:36] <Scunizi> yep
[17:37] <BluesKaj> if VB needs other associate apps then that's  another story
[17:44] <datruth_> cool thx got it installed
[17:47] <Scunizi> datruth_: with the dpkg command only??
[17:59] <datruth_> Scunizi: yes
[18:00] <datruth_> I uninstalled the previous virtualbox version
[18:00] <datruth_> and reinstalled the new version with the above command
[18:18] <BluesKaj> BBL
[18:34] <secforus_ehansen> Is Kubuntu a rolling release now?
[18:38] <James147> secforus_ehansen: no, and it never will be
[18:39] <secforus_ehansen> James147, so it's going to stick with the same 6-month RC its always had?
[18:40] <James147> secforus_ehansen: yup... though they have introduced upgradeing some packages (like firefox) during the release cycle
[18:41] <secforus_ehansen> James147, thanks!  Makes me glad to know not all Ubuntu-derivatives are going that way.
[18:41] <James147> secforus_ehansen: which ones are?
[18:42] <secforus_ehansen> James147, not sure to be honest, I've only really used Ubuntu and Kubuntu, but I remember reading a while ago Ubuntu was going on a rolling release, so I was worrying all the derivatives were as well
[18:42] <jessie> secforus_ehansen: I believe Mintt is.
[18:43] <James147> secforus_ehansen: since ubuntu and kubuntu are effectivly they same (they share the same repos and base system... just have diffent packages installed) kubuntu will always follow ubuntu release cycle.... though I dont see why ubuntu would switch to a rolling release
[18:44] <James147> secforus_ehansen: are you sure you wernt reason something that was talking about ubuntu updating `some` packages after a release?
[18:45] <secforus_ehansen> I don't think Mint is, but I could be wrong.  I'm sure, though, on what I read.  It was just in talks when the articles were made, so it wasn't anything set in stone, but they were talking about Ubuntu wanting to go on a rolling release
[18:47] <metap0d> HI everyone, I freshly installed kubuntu 11.10 on my laptop and used muon to update my system. It froze at 53% after an hour of waiting so I hard reset.
[18:47] <James147> secforus_ehansen: I don't see that happeneing... ubuntu gets most of its money from supprot contracts... which is much easier to do with a fixed release cycle
[18:48] <James147> metap0d: the update froze or your system froze?
[18:48] <metap0d> only the update
[18:48] <metap0d> it actually happened yesterday too, i tried reformatting with kubuntu again and same thing
[18:48] <secforus_ehansen> James147, that makes sense.  It might've been a rumor that caught on, like usual.
[18:49] <metap0d> except yesterday it froze at 52%, not 53%
[18:49] <James147> metap0d: run the update on command line and see what it says (sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade)
[18:49] <metap0d> anyways ... every time i try to launch the muon package manager it crashes with a segmentation fault :(
[18:49] <metap0d> yeah i did
[18:49] <James147> metap0d: and what did it say?
[18:50] <metap0d> right after the crash when I restarted .. it told me to run something like sudo dpkg --configure -a or something
[18:50] <metap0d> after doing that then running sudo apt-get update ... it downloaded/installed some more stuffed
[18:50] <metap0d> and was successful
[18:51] <metap0d> everything seems to work fine now ... except the software manager crashes every time
[18:52] <James147> metap0d: try purging and reinstalling it... "sudo apt-get purge <package name>"
[18:54] <metap0d> dumb question James ... but how do I find out its package name? I tried right clicking on it in the menu to see if there was a target like windows
[18:56] <James147> metap0d: its probally muon ^^ but "apt-file <file>" will tell you what package file belongs to
[18:57] <James147> ^^ no wait... cannot remember the syntax of apt-file :p
[18:58] <JumpJiveAndHail> Howdy all.  I've got KDE on top of Ubuntu Server LTE (10.04) and I can't get wireless networking to work for the life of me.
[18:58] <metap0d> i tried removing/reinstalling 'muon' but it was only 300kb
[19:01] <BluesKaj> MetaBot,  muon in it's latest offering is buggy ...had at least 20 complaints about it crashing in the last few days . forget muon , use adept or synaptic or better yet apt-get in the terminal
[19:02] <BluesKaj> oops too late
[19:24] <JumpJiveAndHail> Folks, can I get some help setting up my wireless network connection?
[19:27] <James147> JumpJiveAndHail: What problem are you having with it?
[19:28] <JumpJiveAndHail> Kubuntu detects my wireless card, on wlan0.  Network manager finds the local network -- Belkin... It's using WPA/WPA2, and I've typed in the passkey.  It still doesn't connect to the network.
[19:29] <secforus_ehansen> Using AES or TKIP for encryption?
[19:30] <JumpJiveAndHail> I am not sure which.
[19:32] <secforus_ehansen> Check your router's wireless settings.  TKIP can sometimes cause issues with connectivity
[19:32] <JumpJiveAndHail> I'll try mucking with that, thank you.
[19:32] <secforus_ehansen> Also, are you able to connect wirelessly using any other devices like laptop or smartphone?
[19:33] <JumpJiveAndHail> I can connect using other laptops (Windows machines).
[19:33] <JumpJiveAndHail> & can connect when I boot into Windows XP on this laptop.
[19:33] <secforus_ehansen> Probably the TKIP/AES issue as said, or your settings are incorrect somewhere in the wireless config
[19:38] <JumpJiveAndHail> The encryption type is AES.
[19:38] <secforus_ehansen> For fun switch over to TKIP
[19:43] <JumpJiveAndHail> Do I need to specify the BSSID in Network Manager?
[19:45] <secforus_ehansen> Not sure, I wanna say yes
[19:47] <nino> ciao a tutti
[19:47] <BluesKaj> !it | nino
[19:55] <JumpJiveAndHail> Ok.  When I mouse over Network Manager in the tray, it shows my network, a green icon, and a full blue bar.  Does this mean I'm connected after all, and the issue is elsewhere?
[19:57] <BluesKaj> yes, I think so . altho I haven't used wifi in a while . JumpJiveAndHail
[19:59] <Sune__> Does anyone know how I can set the display screen rotation to also work with the login screen?
[20:00] <BluesKaj> did you enter your wep or wpa-psk pwd and does the NM gui indicate a connection , JumpJiveAndHail?
[20:03] <BluesKaj> Sune__,  I beleive that only works with the virtual desktops
[20:03] <JumpJiveAndHail> I've entered my wpa-psk key; the gui appears to indicate a connection.
[20:04] <Sune__> I hope not, otherwise my login will forever be upside down : /
[20:04] <BluesKaj> can you surf to a website , JumpJiveAndHail?
[20:05] <Sune__> is there a way to set the default destop rotation to load previous to the user select prompt?
[20:07] <John-_-Oneill> hello, does anyone use monodevelop here ?
[20:11] <JumpJiveAndHail> No, I can't.  I think I'm going to connect via a wired connection to install Wireless Assistant and see if that gets me anywhere.
[20:11] <BluesKaj> JumpJiveAndHail,  which wifi chip ?
[20:13] <rg12_> hey guys... anyone knows how to configure the mouse movement so it behaves more or less like in windows? I just can't get used to the acceleration and precision of the mouse on linux. i have to use both win7 and linux (kubuntu) and there's a difference
[20:13] <JumpJiveAndHail> It's an Intel Centrino Ultimate-N Series 802.11
[20:14] <rg12_> i've tried playing with the settings like acceleration multiplier and thereshould but couldn't manage to achieve something good
[20:15] <JumpJiveAndHail> Sorry, Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (3x3)
[20:16] <BluesKaj> JumpJiveAndHail,  sudo modprobe iwlagn
[20:17] <soee> BluesKaj, hi got one question
[20:17] <soee> any idea why when running dolphin as root im loosing sound in my system?
[20:17] <soee> but notifications works in dolphin
[20:18] <BluesKaj> soe do you kubuntu sounds or just audio in general , soee ?
[20:18] <BluesKaj> mean
[20:18] <soee> BluesKaj, no audio in movies, cant play mp3 etc
[20:19] <JumpJiveAndHail> I entered that, however there was no response in the terminal window.
[20:19] <BluesKaj> are you opening your ~/music folder with root permissions , soee ?
[20:20] <BluesKaj> JumpJiveAndHail,  that's good , now try to connect altho a reboot might be in order first
[20:21] <rg12_> looks like the mouse on windows accelerates based only on a multiplier and has no thereshold
[20:21] <rg12_> so the speed is proportional
[20:22] <soee> BluesKaj, i cant play music files from dolphin running as root nor with normal user
[20:23] <BluesKaj> soee,  have you setup alsamixer and pulseaudio in phonon , if pulse is installed
[20:23] <BluesKaj> ?
[20:23] <soee> BluesKaj, normally ihave sound - no problem with that
[20:23] <rg12_> only thing i know is that on linux my medium-quality mouse moves like a 200dpi cheap china mouse
[20:23] <soee> just when i run kdesudo dolphin
[20:24] <soee> my sound is gone :o
[20:24] <BluesKaj> soee,  strange , I have no idea , sorry :)
[20:24] <BluesKaj> :(
[20:25] <BluesKaj> gotta go ...errands to run before the next storm hits us ..bb in an hr or so.
[20:25] <soee> BluesKaj, yeah i know its strange :/ this root things are strange,
[20:27] <JumpJiveAndHail> Hmm.  No luck.
[20:27] <JumpJiveAndHail> Thanks much for your help, though, BluesKaj & all.  Got to run.
[20:43] <basso> kubuntu aint that bad
[20:49] <lwizardl> hello
[20:50] <lwizardl> I was wondering how to I tell ktorrent to stop using archive manager for opening files and instead use the one default in the normal click option. I think th default on my system was document viewer but in ktorrent it tried to open them as archives
[21:14] <Martt> hi evrybody
[21:38] <jola> the title bar from all windows disappeared and they can't be resized, and alt+tab doesn't work. why?
[21:38] <jola> the windows don't even come to the foreground after clicking on them
[22:56] <RiotingPacifist> kubuntu doesn't autosuspend when left idle
[23:00] <RiotingPacifist> !help
[23:01] <RiotingPacifist> ubottu is now ignoring my PMs :(
[23:18] <ts2> RiotingPacifist: have you told it to?
[23:21] <RiotingPacifist> ts2:  yes the powersettings should suspend (to ram) after 1 minutes
[23:21] <ts2> and is the power profile active?
[23:23] <RiotingPacifist> ts2: none of the powerprofiles suspend they do dim and blank screen though
[23:29] <ts2> RiotingPacifist: works for me, just tested it
[23:31] <RiotingPacifist> ts2: thanks but I can't seem to find much on how to look into this as suspend,etc do work when clicked in kde i think it might be a polkit problem as i've had problems with that but then why can i susped it "manually" (still via kde not cli)
[23:33] <ts2> there should be no difference, all I can suggest is make sure you have configured which profiles are active when on/off AC etc
[23:33] <RiotingPacifist> ts2: the profiles are correctly configured and I'm specifying my testing profile (suspend after 1 minute) manually
[23:35] <ts2> that's pretty much what I did, but it worked here
[23:35] <hobbes13> i've looked everywhere online //  my top panel keeps dissapearing and moving all around. any suggestions?
[23:37] <hobbes13> is this a bug?
[23:50] <RiotingPacifist> honik: is it set to disapear (unlock it click the configure icon, more settings, visibility -> is it set to windows can cover or auto-hide)