/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/01/18/#ubuntu-community-team.txt

doctormonmhall119: Ping02:32
mhall119doctormon: pong02:32
doctormonmhall119: Singlets02:32
mhall119yeah, I haven't done anything much with it since my blog post :(02:32
doctormonCannot call method Search / InfoRequest / SetViewType proxy /com/canonical/unity/lens/applications does not exist02:33
doctormonI get these warns a lot during activity02:33
mhall119doctormon: Unity 4 or 5?02:33
doctormonI think 5, I assume that's in Precise?02:33
mhall119yeah02:34
mhall119some APIs in libunity changed, I haven't looked up what or updated singlet accordingly yet02:34
mhall119but that's the most likely explanation02:35
doctormonmhall119: I'm not sure I get why lens code is so complex... it's like a babage machine in there.02:35
mhall119doctormon: it's worse in Python, since you do everything over gobject and dbus02:35
mhall119I think it's cleaner in Vala02:35
mhall119singlet is an effort to de-complex-ify lenses02:36
doctormonMeh somewhat, but how hard is it to make a registry service over dbus in vala with a set of standard API hooks.02:36
mhall119doctormon: if you wouldn't mine filing a bug against singlet on LP, I'll try and get with davidcalle this week to learn about what's changed in teh API02:37
doctormonSure, I'll put the project and bug lenses to bed until the issues are fixed.02:38
mhall119doctormon: I'm told the libunity API if stable as of Unity 502:38
mhall119so it's just a matter of me upgrading Singlet02:38
doctormonsure02:39
mhall119which hopefully won't be too painful02:39
doctormonmhall119: https://bugs.launchpad.net/singlet/+bug/91799202:41
ubot2Launchpad bug 917992 in singlet "Signlets have problems in Unity 5" [Undecided,New]02:41
bkerensadoctormon: Might you have a link to that portrait you did of me?03:05
cprofittnight all04:09
dholbachgood morning08:19
jokerdinogreat day dholbach08:19
dholbachhey jokerdino08:19
jokerdinoi had used your developer guide on OMGUbuntu and just finished packaging an application from its source. feels great :)08:20
dholbachnice - good work!08:20
dholbachI'm glad it was useful to you08:20
jokerdinooh i forgot to thank you. thanks!08:21
dholbach(but it's not /my/ guide - there's been a lot of people working on it ;-))08:21
jokerdinothanks to all of them then! :)08:21
dholbachI'm just in the process of submitting it as an article series to linux magazine08:21
dholbachso I hope more people will learn about ubuntu development and get interested in helping out08:22
jokerdinoactually, when i was first reading the series, it didn't look that appealing / easy.08:22
jokerdinobut, when i tried to put it in practice for the first time, i just found out that it was super easy.08:23
dholbach:-)08:23
jokerdinoi hope more people find it useful as well. it is probably one of the best packaging guide i have ever tried.08:24
dholbachnice08:24
* dholbach borrows the comment for @ubuntudev :-D08:25
* dholbach hugs jokerdino08:26
jokerdinohaha :D08:26
* jokerdino hugs dholbach back.08:26
dholbachok, I can't tweet it - damn 140 char restriction ;-)08:27
dholbachit's always like https://twitter.com/#!/vintageortacky/status/14915445963163238408:28
jokerdinojust managed to read that tweet. don't commit a crime heh :/08:30
dholbachit looks like not everybody gets why wikipedia is protesting today: https://twitter.com/#!/herpderpedia08:55
dholbachjames_w, pkgme session at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable? :)09:04
jokerdinodholbach: surely people are naive.09:06
s-foxHello10:55
cjohnstonuggh13:48
* dholbach hugs james_w14:10
doctormoncjohnston: Did someone just message me? Empathy crash :-(14:14
cjohnstonnot that i know of14:14
doctormonhmm, unrequited message.14:15
james_wdholbach, I don't see where old_bzr_log_dir is defined in your other proposal?14:15
dholbachoops14:17
dholbachthat was clearly not intended this way - hang on14:17
doctormonWhy oh why do I need to sign up to every two bit bugzilla in order to report bugs.14:21
doctormonIt's like the developers _want_ users not to report issues.14:21
dholbachjames_w, fixed and resubmitted - I renamed the variable but forgot it in one instance - I just ran it again and pyflakes'd it :)14:24
james_wdholbach, do you want to use a finally block to replace the variable so it happens even if there is an error?14:26
dholbachah, that's a clever idea, yes :)14:26
dholbachalways good to get a james_w-code-review14:26
jcastroheya daker14:44
balloonshey jcastro14:45
balloonsany word on the case conductor charm?14:46
* balloons smiles a big big smile14:46
jcastrogetting a status on it now14:46
jcastrohey so, is it not all django?14:46
jcastrothey're telling me they ran into java, etc.14:46
balloonsouch14:46
balloonsjava != fun14:47
balloonsi had thought it was all django14:47
balloonsdid they use java and not python for backend stuff? or java for UI stuff?14:47
balloonsI wonder...14:47
dholbachjames_w, I'm glad I went through this exercise - I tested it again and found that in some cases os.getenv/os.putenv didn't work - in the end I used os.environ which worked nicely14:49
jcastrooh I just found the backend14:50
jcastrooh god, jboss14:50
jcastrohey so balloons14:50
jcastrocan you find out if  this is all we need "https://github.com/mozilla/caseconductor"14:50
jcastroor if we need all the other stuff14:50
jcastrothe other stuff looks untouched14:51
jcastroand the blog says they redid the whole thing14:51
jcastroso I am hoping all this java stuff is old and not needed anymore14:51
dakeryo jcastro14:51
balloonsahh14:51
* dholbach hugs daker14:51
balloonsquite likely that's the case14:51
balloonsI will get in touch with the mozilla guys14:51
jcastrojust a quick thumbs up or down will do14:51
jcastrodaker: hey so how can we remove the tag cloud from cloud.u.c?14:52
jcastroI'm going to start moving away from so many tags on the things14:52
dakerjcastro, from the admin14:53
dakerjcastro, wp-admin/edit-tags.php?taxonomy=post_tag14:53
jcastrook that appears to take me to the dashboard14:55
dholbachdaker, كيف حالك، أخي؟14:55
dakerjcastro, yes14:55
dakerdholbach, nice ツ14:56
dholbachdaker, it took me a bit :)14:57
dholbachhuats, tu as survécu ton appel?14:57
huatsdholbach: almost14:57
huatsgive me 2 minutes :)14:57
dholbachhaha :)14:57
jcastrodaker: how would I remove the tag cloud from here?14:57
dakerjcastro, select the tags you want to remove, and the top there is a "bulk actions" menu, the select "delete" item15:00
james_wdholbach, approved15:00
* dholbach hugs james_w15:00
dholbachyyeeeehaw15:00
james_wsalut huats15:00
dholbachmaybe we make Harvest entirely work one day again :)15:00
huatshello james_w !15:00
jcastrolet's rewrite harvest in java15:01
dakerjcastro, wordpress is hard to maintain :/15:01
balloonsjcastro, you are correct they are rewriting to django.. however there may be some legacy java code that is needed... gema will be finding out for sure15:01
dholbachor as they say in the beautiful country of daker: انشاء الله :)15:01
jcastroballoons: you guys tricked me. "oh it's just some python"15:01
dakeryes dholbach15:01
jcastrothen you sneak in a bunch of java15:01
dholbachthanks again james_w15:02
balloonsjcastro, it's how we roll.. and ohh yea, we needed it yesterday, so...15:07
balloonsjk15:08
dakerjcastro, it's ok for you ?15:08
jcastroI still can't find where to remove it15:08
dholbachhuats, let me know when you're ready15:09
huatsdholbach: I am15:09
dholbachexcellent15:09
huatsI was trying to change my language in g+15:09
huats:)15:10
huatspfff15:10
dholbachhaha15:10
dholbachI'll fire up the hangout15:10
huatsgreat15:10
dakerjcastro, if you want to delete a bunch of them like this http://i.imgur.com/4WyAU.png15:10
dakerthen click on "Bulk actions" and there you will find the delete item15:10
jcastrook15:11
jcastroand how about the display of the tags themselves on the front page?15:11
dakerthey are dynamic15:12
mhall119jcastro: ping15:17
jcastroYO15:17
mhall119got time for a quick hangout?15:18
jcastrodaker: right so is there a way I can just remove the whole box?15:18
jcastromhall119: gimme 15?15:18
jcastrostill catching up15:18
mhall119sure15:18
dakerjcastro, yes15:18
dakeryou need to hack the theme15:19
jcastropage-home.php?15:20
jcastroaha, sidebar.php15:22
jcastrobah, close but no cigar15:23
* jcastro files RT ticket to get write access15:24
dholbachnooooooooooooooooooooo15:26
huats:)15:26
dakerjcastro, they will not give you write access15:27
dakerand instead tell them to pull the them from lp:~daker/+junk/uecv215:28
jcastrohey dholbach15:28
jcastroThere's a trello board in the topic if you want to keep it going15:28
jcastromhall119: ok all set.15:39
dholbachjcastro, I have most of my tasks in task warrior already15:41
* jcastro task warrior's your face.15:41
jcastrobest project name ever.15:41
dholbachyeah, the project name is unnecessarily metal, but oh well15:42
dholbach:-P15:42
mhall119jcastro: invite sent15:42
mhall119jcastro: also, you should do this for your standing desk: http://notinventedhe.re/on/2012-1-1815:43
dholbachjcastro, dpm, balloons, mhall119: is bacon going to back today? are we team meeting?15:43
jcastroI know he's coming back today15:43
dholbach...going to be back...15:43
dholbachok perfect15:43
jcastroas for team meeting, dunno15:43
balloonshe said he would talk on thursday, if i'm remembering correctly15:43
balloonsI would take that to mean he'll be off today recovering from jetlag :-) but I have a horrible memory15:44
balloonsyou'll all get to find out just how poor it is as time goes on15:44
* balloons just said you all all ^15:45
dpmdholbach, I don't know, either15:47
dholbachok, thanks :)15:51
dakerif someone can donate a PC able to run ubuntu correctly to me i will pray with him all the day16:01
dholbachdaker, what is broken on the one you use?16:13
dakeri have two, one P4 with 256RAM with GC intel with i915Driver16:15
dakerand celeron slower than this one16:15
dakerand flash is killing them16:16
dholbachoh yeah, I can imagine :-/16:16
dakerand the big problem is this i915 Driver16:18
dakerX is crashing every 10min then i have to restart the machine16:19
dholbachdoes apport pop up for those crashes?16:19
dakerno, when X crashes the black tty screen appears then i have to Alt+SysRQ+o16:23
dholbachand anything in X log?16:23
dholbachmaybe you could ask the guys in #ubuntu-x about it16:23
dakerthat's a problem with the GC driver16:23
dakerit's not stable and it always in a testing mode16:24
dholbach:-(16:24
jussidaker: where in the world are you located?16:24
dakerMorocco16:25
jcastroI have a PC16:26
mhall119balloons: you all?  come one now16:26
jcastrobut the shipping cost would kill the idea16:26
mhall119you gotta represent the south man, it's y'all16:26
jussijcastro: yeah, i was thinking same, hence the question16:26
dakerjcastro, if so i'll rewrite the cloud portal for you ツ16:27
dakerdholbach, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes16:28
mhall119daker: you didn't swipe dholbach's when you had teh chance?16:28
jcastrolet me price out what it would be16:28
jcastroI would more than happily donate this core2 with 8gb of RAM. :)16:28
jcastrothe cost of shipping would crush me though16:28
dakerhow much ?16:28
jcastroit will be a lot, I can tell16:28
jcastroa PC, international shipping, etc.16:29
jcastroit cost me $30 US to send a $6 coffee cup to someone.16:29
jcastroso I imagine a PC would easily be a few hundred bucks16:29
czajkowskithats an expensive cup of coffee16:29
mhall119still cheaper than Starbucks16:29
czajkowski:o16:29
mhall119czajkowski: how are you feeling?16:30
czajkowskigrand thanks just went for a walk and didnt over do it16:31
czajkowskiand didn't come back needing t lay down to rest16:31
czajkowskiwin :)16:31
mhall119\o/16:32
dholbachdaker, that sucks :-(16:32
dakerjcastro, jussi anyway thanks ツ16:32
jcastroI'll find out how much it is16:33
jcastroif it's not too much maybe we can all chip in16:33
* daker hugs jcastro 16:33
dholbachwith DHL from Germany to Morocco a package with up to 20kg (is that how much a desktop pc weighs?) seems to cost 66€, not sure how much customs might want(?)16:37
dholbachI found http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080806060246AAjQOqF too, not sure though how reliable the info is on there16:38
czajkowskicustoms is the killer16:38
cjohnstona desktop shouldnt weeigh that much16:38
doctormonor cost that much16:44
technovikingjcastro: should have deleted that ndiswrapper when I had the "power" :)16:49
mhall119dholbach: still around?16:49
doctormonDesign meeting to start in 10 mins in #ubuntu-design16:50
jcastrotechnoviking: yeah this guy mailed me directly for some reason17:03
jcastroand was like "should I do this?"17:03
jcastroand I'm like, no dude that post is from 2006.17:03
dholbachmhall119, yes17:03
mhall119dholbach: hey, I changed my session name to "Ubuntu technology overview"17:04
mhall119since I'm  going to talk about Ubuntu One as well as Unity17:04
mhall119also, I got you a TV guy :)17:04
dholbachmh, ok17:04
dholbachmhall119, oh, who?17:04
mhall119Saviq17:04
dholbachbecause I'm talking to saviq already17:04
dholbachah nice17:05
dholbach:)17:05
technovikingjcastro: I'm going to ping the FC and see if that can at least put a warning on the top of the post.17:07
technovikingjcastro: I have used the solution I posted, it should wotk. At least clean thing out enough to do the real fix17:08
jcastroyeah, there's 0 reason to send people ndiswrapper if we don't need to17:09
pleia2so I'm wrapping up my list-o-links for a contributing to Ubuntu talk for Ubucon at SCALE on friday, how useful is harvest.ubuntu.com really?17:10
pleia2I clicked around some and was not filled with hope17:11
dholbachpleia2, it's a bit broken right now, but I'm on it17:11
pleia2dholbach: ok thanks, I'll pull it from my recommendations for now17:11
dholbachat least getting it to do what it's expected to do and from there on we can see if we can get some user testing going and then some development priorities17:12
dholbachyes, please do17:12
dholbachalright my friends - I call it a day, see you all tomorrow17:12
dholbachHUGS17:12
mhall119bye dholbach17:13
technovikingUgh, getting a head cold and 6-12" of snow. Hope this does not screw up my flight to LA tomorrow afternoon17:13
dholbachtechnoviking, get well soon again17:14
dholbachI think I'm almost over my dose of Rallyflu17:14
pleia2it's supposed to rain tomorrow evening, since everyone in california is afraid of weather I expect some annoyance17:14
dholbachstill very very tired though17:14
* pleia2 makes note not to hug technoviking 17:14
pleia2;)17:14
dholbachsee you tomorrow :)17:15
pleia2the scale flu last year was the worst sick I've been in years, I had a fever for 3 days17:15
technovikingpleia2: ouch17:16
jcastro@jorge this is my progress so far: both caseconductor and caseconductor-ui start and run (with the builtin django webserver only). One just gives me a 404 and the other gives me a huge traceback. :\17:17
meetingologyjcastro: Error: "jorge" is not a valid command.17:17
jcastroballoons: ^^17:17
jcastroballoons: ok let's back up a minute17:17
balloons?17:18
jcastroballoons: "hey so Case Conductor works right?"17:18
technovikingpleia2: it maybe a cold or just the crap air we have in the winter in Salt Lake City17:18
jcastrotechnoviking: you're going to scale right?17:19
mhall119what, is *everyone* going to scale but me? :(17:20
doctormonI don't even know what scale is mhall11917:20
mhall119Southern California Linux Expo17:20
doctormonBloody million miles away, no wonder I'm not going.17:21
mhall119one of (of not the) biggest community-run linux conference in teh US17:21
balloonsjcastro, yes it works to the extent there is a demo site of it running17:21
mhall119I got to attend twice17:21
mhall119it was awesome17:21
jcastrowho set up the demo, them or one of us?17:21
balloonsjcastro, I guess we should make sure that it's NOT running the old java version17:21
balloonsthey setup the demo17:21
jcastrono, he's got the new one working17:21
jcastroI am just trying to determine if getting it working is some kind of still-only-2-people-in-the-world-know-how-to-get-it-working17:22
mhall119balloons: is that the mozilla qa app?17:22
balloonsyes17:23
mhall119balloons: do you know nigelb?  If not, you will and should, he's done a lot of web-dev for both Ubuntu and Mozilla projects17:24
balloonsmhall119, I do not17:24
balloonscan you send an intro?17:24
nigelbo/17:25
mhall119heh17:25
doctormonnigelb: \o17:25
mhall119nigelb -> balloons, balloons -> nigel17:25
nigelbI just happened to glance right into this channel :)17:25
pleia2doctormon: have a few minutes for a quick chat about art? :)17:25
mhall119"just happened", right17:25
doctormonpleia2: Sure, where do you want to chat?17:25
mhall119nigelb is in 90% of the channels on freenode17:25
pleia2doctormon: PM ok?17:25
nigelbdoctormon: o/ Epic cartoon for groklaw :)17:25
nigelbmhall119: haha17:25
doctormonmhall119: and 90% of the channels not on freenode.17:26
mhall119doctormon: I think he's on 99% of non-freenode channels17:26
balloons:-)17:26
nigelbI'm on 3 networks :P17:26
balloonsnigelb, hello17:26
nigelbballoons: How can I help?17:26
mhall119I don't think I can find an IRC channel anywhere on the internet without either nigelb or pleia217:26
doctormonpleia2: My notifier is borked, I'll init17:26
nigelbpleia2 is *everywhere*17:27
balloonsWell, if you have the channel history see above :-) jcastro and I are trying to get case conductor installed, and are wondering how to do so and where the code lives exactly, etc17:27
nigelbcasse conductor, never heard of it. Let me look/ask around17:27
balloonsjcastro is writing a charm for it.. It appears to be django completely17:27
nigelbballoons: do you have a link to a running instance of it?17:27
jcastroI am not writing it, I convinced Stefano to have a look at it though17:28
jcastro<nigel> It's ok, I will volunteer to write charms for all of Mozilla's web tools17:28
jcastrooh really? Thanks nigelb!17:28
Pendulummhall119: I'm in a couple that actually have neither nigelb or pleia2 in them. But they're not Ubuntu related17:28
nigelbjcastro: when I finish all the commitments I currently have.17:29
nigelbballoons: The code lives here https://github.com/mozilla/caseconductor17:29
jcastroyour commitments are like mine though, neverending17:29
mhall119Pendulum: wow17:30
nigelbheh17:30
nigelbwell, by commitments, I mean, bugs that are assigned to me and I have a particial fix.17:30
nigelbThere's 3 on LP, 2 on firefox, one on thunderbird, a few on input.mozilla.org, and a bunch on summit.17:30
nigelbI've not started anything new in the new year. Just closing bugs that I've agreed to do :(17:31
Pendulummhall119: actually, I'm also in one that is Ubuntu related, but neither one of them is in it.17:31
nigelbwhich channel is that? accessibility?17:31
Pendulum#ubuntu-uk-podcast17:32
nigelbhah17:32
jcastroballoons: any idea what IRC channel they hang out in?17:32
balloonsjcastro, good question.. I'm guessing we could find out by asking around a bit17:32
nigelbprobably labs17:33
nigelbthis project sounds like a labs project17:33
nigelbAha, its a QA project.17:35
nigelbballoons: I'm off to bed. When I wake up I can dig further. For now, #qa on irc.mozilla.org should be helpful.17:36
balloonsnigelb, thank yo umuch17:36
balloonsI'll head over there and ping around17:37
nigelb:)17:37
nigelbballoons: you'll probably want carljm (judging from the github commits)17:38
balloonscool.. i'll namedrop you so he doesn't get too freaked out by the random guy on irc17:38
balloonshaha17:38
jcastroyeah!17:39
nigelbHe probably doesn't know me :)17:39
nigelbBut there are others in QA who I work with :)17:40
balloonsohh.. does irc.mozilla.org use ssl?17:44
balloonsif so, port?17:44
s-foxGoodbye.18:07
czajkowskihttps://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/contributor_communities  :)18:09
akgranerczajkowski, looks interesting - Congrats18:21
akgranerone of these days I want to go to FOSDEM18:22
balloonsczajkowski, very cool18:32
akgranerjcastro I used your lightning talk from Budapest as justification to just hit the delete button and not save everything.  You're an authority now :-)19:03
akgranerhopefully my engineer manager will fill the same way :-) He liked your talk as well.19:04
akgranerengineering even19:04
JanCanybody here knows http://www.linuxidentity.com/us/ ?21:58

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!