[02:32] <doctormon> mhall119: Ping
[02:32] <mhall119> doctormon: pong
[02:32] <doctormon> mhall119: Singlets
[02:32] <mhall119> yeah, I haven't done anything much with it since my blog post :(
[02:33] <doctormon> Cannot call method Search / InfoRequest / SetViewType proxy /com/canonical/unity/lens/applications does not exist
[02:33] <doctormon> I get these warns a lot during activity
[02:33] <mhall119> doctormon: Unity 4 or 5?
[02:33] <doctormon> I think 5, I assume that's in Precise?
[02:34] <mhall119> yeah
[02:34] <mhall119> some APIs in libunity changed, I haven't looked up what or updated singlet accordingly yet
[02:35] <mhall119> but that's the most likely explanation
[02:35] <doctormon> mhall119: I'm not sure I get why lens code is so complex... it's like a babage machine in there.
[02:35] <mhall119> doctormon: it's worse in Python, since you do everything over gobject and dbus
[02:35] <mhall119> I think it's cleaner in Vala
[02:36] <mhall119> singlet is an effort to de-complex-ify lenses
[02:36] <doctormon> Meh somewhat, but how hard is it to make a registry service over dbus in vala with a set of standard API hooks.
[02:37] <mhall119> doctormon: if you wouldn't mine filing a bug against singlet on LP, I'll try and get with davidcalle this week to learn about what's changed in teh API
[02:38] <doctormon> Sure, I'll put the project and bug lenses to bed until the issues are fixed.
[02:38] <mhall119> doctormon: I'm told the libunity API if stable as of Unity 5
[02:38] <mhall119> so it's just a matter of me upgrading Singlet
[02:39] <doctormon> sure
[02:39] <mhall119> which hopefully won't be too painful
[02:41] <doctormon> mhall119: https://bugs.launchpad.net/singlet/+bug/917992
[02:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 917992 in singlet "Signlets have problems in Unity 5" [Undecided,New]
[03:05] <bkerensa> doctormon: Might you have a link to that portrait you did of me?
[04:09] <cprofitt> night all
[08:19] <dholbach> good morning
[08:19] <jokerdino> great day dholbach
[08:19] <dholbach> hey jokerdino
[08:20] <jokerdino> i had used your developer guide on OMGUbuntu and just finished packaging an application from its source. feels great :)
[08:20] <dholbach> nice - good work!
[08:20] <dholbach> I'm glad it was useful to you
[08:21] <jokerdino> oh i forgot to thank you. thanks!
[08:21] <dholbach> (but it's not /my/ guide - there's been a lot of people working on it ;-))
[08:21] <jokerdino> thanks to all of them then! :)
[08:21] <dholbach> I'm just in the process of submitting it as an article series to linux magazine
[08:22] <dholbach> so I hope more people will learn about ubuntu development and get interested in helping out
[08:22] <jokerdino> actually, when i was first reading the series, it didn't look that appealing / easy.
[08:23] <jokerdino> but, when i tried to put it in practice for the first time, i just found out that it was super easy.
[08:23] <dholbach> :-)
[08:24] <jokerdino> i hope more people find it useful as well. it is probably one of the best packaging guide i have ever tried.
[08:24] <dholbach> nice
[08:25]  * dholbach borrows the comment for @ubuntudev :-D
[08:26]  * dholbach hugs jokerdino
[08:26] <jokerdino> haha :D
[08:26]  * jokerdino hugs dholbach back.
[08:27] <dholbach> ok, I can't tweet it - damn 140 char restriction ;-)
[08:28] <dholbach> it's always like https://twitter.com/#!/vintageortacky/status/149154459631632384
[08:30] <jokerdino> just managed to read that tweet. don't commit a crime heh :/
[08:55] <dholbach> it looks like not everybody gets why wikipedia is protesting today: https://twitter.com/#!/herpderpedia
[09:04] <dholbach> james_w, pkgme session at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable? :)
[09:06] <jokerdino> dholbach: surely people are naive.
[10:55] <s-fox> Hello
[13:48] <cjohnston> uggh
[14:10]  * dholbach hugs james_w
[14:14] <doctormon> cjohnston: Did someone just message me? Empathy crash :-(
[14:14] <cjohnston> not that i know of
[14:15] <doctormon> hmm, unrequited message.
[14:15] <james_w> dholbach, I don't see where old_bzr_log_dir is defined in your other proposal?
[14:17] <dholbach> oops
[14:17] <dholbach> that was clearly not intended this way - hang on
[14:21] <doctormon> Why oh why do I need to sign up to every two bit bugzilla in order to report bugs.
[14:21] <doctormon> It's like the developers _want_ users not to report issues.
[14:24] <dholbach> james_w, fixed and resubmitted - I renamed the variable but forgot it in one instance - I just ran it again and pyflakes'd it :)
[14:26] <james_w> dholbach, do you want to use a finally block to replace the variable so it happens even if there is an error?
[14:26] <dholbach> ah, that's a clever idea, yes :)
[14:26] <dholbach> always good to get a james_w-code-review
[14:44] <jcastro> heya daker
[14:45] <balloons> hey jcastro
[14:46] <balloons> any word on the case conductor charm?
[14:46]  * balloons smiles a big big smile
[14:46] <jcastro> getting a status on it now
[14:46] <jcastro> hey so, is it not all django?
[14:46] <jcastro> they're telling me they ran into java, etc.
[14:46] <balloons> ouch
[14:47] <balloons> java != fun
[14:47] <balloons> i had thought it was all django
[14:47] <balloons> did they use java and not python for backend stuff? or java for UI stuff?
[14:47] <balloons> I wonder...
[14:49] <dholbach> james_w, I'm glad I went through this exercise - I tested it again and found that in some cases os.getenv/os.putenv didn't work - in the end I used os.environ which worked nicely
[14:50] <jcastro> oh I just found the backend
[14:50] <jcastro> oh god, jboss
[14:50] <jcastro> hey so balloons
[14:50] <jcastro> can you find out if  this is all we need "https://github.com/mozilla/caseconductor"
[14:50] <jcastro> or if we need all the other stuff
[14:51] <jcastro> the other stuff looks untouched
[14:51] <jcastro> and the blog says they redid the whole thing
[14:51] <jcastro> so I am hoping all this java stuff is old and not needed anymore
[14:51] <daker> yo jcastro
[14:51] <balloons> ahh
[14:51]  * dholbach hugs daker
[14:51] <balloons> quite likely that's the case
[14:51] <balloons> I will get in touch with the mozilla guys
[14:51] <jcastro> just a quick thumbs up or down will do
[14:52] <jcastro> daker: hey so how can we remove the tag cloud from cloud.u.c?
[14:52] <jcastro> I'm going to start moving away from so many tags on the things
[14:53] <daker> jcastro, from the admin
[14:53] <daker> jcastro, wp-admin/edit-tags.php?taxonomy=post_tag
[14:55] <jcastro> ok that appears to take me to the dashboard
[14:55] <dholbach> daker, كيف حالك، أخي؟
[14:55] <daker> jcastro, yes
[14:56] <daker> dholbach, nice ツ
[14:57] <dholbach> daker, it took me a bit :)
[14:57] <dholbach> huats, tu as survécu ton appel?
[14:57] <huats> dholbach: almost
[14:57] <huats> give me 2 minutes :)
[14:57] <dholbach> haha :)
[14:57] <jcastro> daker: how would I remove the tag cloud from here?
[15:00] <daker> jcastro, select the tags you want to remove, and the top there is a "bulk actions" menu, the select "delete" item
[15:00] <james_w> dholbach, approved
[15:00]  * dholbach hugs james_w
[15:00] <dholbach> yyeeeehaw
[15:00] <james_w> salut huats
[15:00] <dholbach> maybe we make Harvest entirely work one day again :)
[15:00] <huats> hello james_w !
[15:01] <jcastro> let's rewrite harvest in java
[15:01] <daker> jcastro, wordpress is hard to maintain :/
[15:01] <balloons> jcastro, you are correct they are rewriting to django.. however there may be some legacy java code that is needed... gema will be finding out for sure
[15:01] <dholbach> or as they say in the beautiful country of daker: انشاء الله :)
[15:01] <jcastro> balloons: you guys tricked me. "oh it's just some python"
[15:01] <daker> yes dholbach
[15:01] <jcastro> then you sneak in a bunch of java
[15:02] <dholbach> thanks again james_w
[15:07] <balloons> jcastro, it's how we roll.. and ohh yea, we needed it yesterday, so...
[15:08] <balloons> jk
[15:08] <daker> jcastro, it's ok for you ?
[15:08] <jcastro> I still can't find where to remove it
[15:09] <dholbach> huats, let me know when you're ready
[15:09] <huats> dholbach: I am
[15:09] <dholbach> excellent
[15:09] <huats> I was trying to change my language in g+
[15:10] <huats> :)
[15:10] <huats> pfff
[15:10] <dholbach> haha
[15:10] <dholbach> I'll fire up the hangout
[15:10] <huats> great
[15:10] <daker> jcastro, if you want to delete a bunch of them like this http://i.imgur.com/4WyAU.png
[15:10] <daker> then click on "Bulk actions" and there you will find the delete item
[15:11] <jcastro> ok
[15:11] <jcastro> and how about the display of the tags themselves on the front page?
[15:12] <daker> they are dynamic
[15:17] <mhall119> jcastro: ping
[15:17] <jcastro> YO
[15:18] <mhall119> got time for a quick hangout?
[15:18] <jcastro> daker: right so is there a way I can just remove the whole box?
[15:18] <jcastro> mhall119: gimme 15?
[15:18] <jcastro> still catching up
[15:18] <mhall119> sure
[15:18] <daker> jcastro, yes
[15:19] <daker> you need to hack the theme
[15:20] <jcastro> page-home.php?
[15:22] <jcastro> aha, sidebar.php
[15:23] <jcastro> bah, close but no cigar
[15:24]  * jcastro files RT ticket to get write access
[15:26] <dholbach> nooooooooooooooooooooo
[15:26] <huats> :)
[15:27] <daker> jcastro, they will not give you write access
[15:28] <daker> and instead tell them to pull the them from lp:~daker/+junk/uecv2
[15:28] <jcastro> hey dholbach
[15:28] <jcastro> There's a trello board in the topic if you want to keep it going
[15:39] <jcastro> mhall119: ok all set.
[15:41] <dholbach> jcastro, I have most of my tasks in task warrior already
[15:41]  * jcastro task warrior's your face.
[15:41] <jcastro> best project name ever.
[15:42] <dholbach> yeah, the project name is unnecessarily metal, but oh well
[15:42] <dholbach> :-P
[15:42] <mhall119> jcastro: invite sent
[15:43] <mhall119> jcastro: also, you should do this for your standing desk: http://notinventedhe.re/on/2012-1-18
[15:43] <dholbach> jcastro, dpm, balloons, mhall119: is bacon going to back today? are we team meeting?
[15:43] <jcastro> I know he's coming back today
[15:43] <dholbach> ...going to be back...
[15:43] <dholbach> ok perfect
[15:43] <jcastro> as for team meeting, dunno
[15:43] <balloons> he said he would talk on thursday, if i'm remembering correctly
[15:44] <balloons> I would take that to mean he'll be off today recovering from jetlag :-) but I have a horrible memory
[15:44] <balloons> you'll all get to find out just how poor it is as time goes on
[15:45]  * balloons just said you all all ^
[15:47] <dpm> dholbach, I don't know, either
[15:51] <dholbach> ok, thanks :)
[16:01] <daker> if someone can donate a PC able to run ubuntu correctly to me i will pray with him all the day
[16:13] <dholbach> daker, what is broken on the one you use?
[16:15] <daker> i have two, one P4 with 256RAM with GC intel with i915Driver
[16:15] <daker> and celeron slower than this one
[16:16] <daker> and flash is killing them
[16:16] <dholbach> oh yeah, I can imagine :-/
[16:18] <daker> and the big problem is this i915 Driver
[16:19] <daker> X is crashing every 10min then i have to restart the machine
[16:19] <dholbach> does apport pop up for those crashes?
[16:23] <daker> no, when X crashes the black tty screen appears then i have to Alt+SysRQ+o
[16:23] <dholbach> and anything in X log?
[16:23] <dholbach> maybe you could ask the guys in #ubuntu-x about it
[16:23] <daker> that's a problem with the GC driver
[16:24] <daker> it's not stable and it always in a testing mode
[16:24] <dholbach> :-(
[16:24] <jussi> daker: where in the world are you located?
[16:25] <daker> Morocco
[16:26] <jcastro> I have a PC
[16:26] <mhall119> balloons: you all?  come one now
[16:26] <jcastro> but the shipping cost would kill the idea
[16:26] <mhall119> you gotta represent the south man, it's y'all
[16:26] <jussi> jcastro: yeah, i was thinking same, hence the question
[16:27] <daker> jcastro, if so i'll rewrite the cloud portal for you ツ
[16:28] <daker> dholbach, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes
[16:28] <mhall119> daker: you didn't swipe dholbach's when you had teh chance?
[16:28] <jcastro> let me price out what it would be
[16:28] <jcastro> I would more than happily donate this core2 with 8gb of RAM. :)
[16:28] <jcastro> the cost of shipping would crush me though
[16:28] <daker> how much ?
[16:28] <jcastro> it will be a lot, I can tell
[16:29] <jcastro> a PC, international shipping, etc.
[16:29] <jcastro> it cost me $30 US to send a $6 coffee cup to someone.
[16:29] <jcastro> so I imagine a PC would easily be a few hundred bucks
[16:29] <czajkowski> thats an expensive cup of coffee
[16:29] <mhall119> still cheaper than Starbucks
[16:29] <czajkowski> :o
[16:30] <mhall119> czajkowski: how are you feeling?
[16:31] <czajkowski> grand thanks just went for a walk and didnt over do it
[16:31] <czajkowski> and didn't come back needing t lay down to rest
[16:31] <czajkowski> win :)
[16:32] <mhall119> \o/
[16:32] <dholbach> daker, that sucks :-(
[16:32] <daker> jcastro, jussi anyway thanks ツ
[16:33] <jcastro> I'll find out how much it is
[16:33] <jcastro> if it's not too much maybe we can all chip in
[16:33]  * daker hugs jcastro 
[16:37] <dholbach> with DHL from Germany to Morocco a package with up to 20kg (is that how much a desktop pc weighs?) seems to cost 66€, not sure how much customs might want(?)
[16:38] <dholbach> I found http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080806060246AAjQOqF too, not sure though how reliable the info is on there
[16:38] <czajkowski> customs is the killer
[16:38] <cjohnston> a desktop shouldnt weeigh that much
[16:44] <doctormon> or cost that much
[16:49] <technoviking> jcastro: should have deleted that ndiswrapper when I had the "power" :)
[16:49] <mhall119> dholbach: still around?
[16:50] <doctormon> Design meeting to start in 10 mins in #ubuntu-design
[17:03] <jcastro> technoviking: yeah this guy mailed me directly for some reason
[17:03] <jcastro> and was like "should I do this?"
[17:03] <jcastro> and I'm like, no dude that post is from 2006.
[17:03] <dholbach> mhall119, yes
[17:04] <mhall119> dholbach: hey, I changed my session name to "Ubuntu technology overview"
[17:04] <mhall119> since I'm  going to talk about Ubuntu One as well as Unity
[17:04] <mhall119> also, I got you a TV guy :)
[17:04] <dholbach> mh, ok
[17:04] <dholbach> mhall119, oh, who?
[17:04] <mhall119> Saviq
[17:04] <dholbach> because I'm talking to saviq already
[17:05] <dholbach> ah nice
[17:05] <dholbach> :)
[17:07] <technoviking> jcastro: I'm going to ping the FC and see if that can at least put a warning on the top of the post.
[17:08] <technoviking> jcastro: I have used the solution I posted, it should wotk. At least clean thing out enough to do the real fix
[17:09] <jcastro> yeah, there's 0 reason to send people ndiswrapper if we don't need to
[17:10] <pleia2> so I'm wrapping up my list-o-links for a contributing to Ubuntu talk for Ubucon at SCALE on friday, how useful is harvest.ubuntu.com really?
[17:11] <pleia2> I clicked around some and was not filled with hope
[17:11] <dholbach> pleia2, it's a bit broken right now, but I'm on it
[17:11] <pleia2> dholbach: ok thanks, I'll pull it from my recommendations for now
[17:12] <dholbach> at least getting it to do what it's expected to do and from there on we can see if we can get some user testing going and then some development priorities
[17:12] <dholbach> yes, please do
[17:12] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day, see you all tomorrow
[17:12] <dholbach> HUGS
[17:13] <mhall119> bye dholbach
[17:13] <technoviking> Ugh, getting a head cold and 6-12" of snow. Hope this does not screw up my flight to LA tomorrow afternoon
[17:14] <dholbach> technoviking, get well soon again
[17:14] <dholbach> I think I'm almost over my dose of Rallyflu
[17:14] <pleia2> it's supposed to rain tomorrow evening, since everyone in california is afraid of weather I expect some annoyance
[17:14] <dholbach> still very very tired though
[17:14]  * pleia2 makes note not to hug technoviking 
[17:14] <pleia2> ;)
[17:15] <dholbach> see you tomorrow :)
[17:15] <pleia2> the scale flu last year was the worst sick I've been in years, I had a fever for 3 days
[17:16] <technoviking> pleia2: ouch
[17:17] <jcastro> @jorge this is my progress so far: both caseconductor and caseconductor-ui start and run (with the builtin django webserver only). One just gives me a 404 and the other gives me a huge traceback. :\
[17:17] <meetingology> jcastro: Error: "jorge" is not a valid command.
[17:17] <jcastro> balloons: ^^
[17:17] <jcastro> balloons: ok let's back up a minute
[17:18] <balloons> ?
[17:18] <jcastro> balloons: "hey so Case Conductor works right?"
[17:18] <technoviking> pleia2: it maybe a cold or just the crap air we have in the winter in Salt Lake City
[17:19] <jcastro> technoviking: you're going to scale right?
[17:20] <mhall119> what, is *everyone* going to scale but me? :(
[17:20] <doctormon> I don't even know what scale is mhall119
[17:20] <mhall119> Southern California Linux Expo
[17:21] <doctormon> Bloody million miles away, no wonder I'm not going.
[17:21] <mhall119> one of (of not the) biggest community-run linux conference in teh US
[17:21] <balloons> jcastro, yes it works to the extent there is a demo site of it running
[17:21] <mhall119> I got to attend twice
[17:21] <mhall119> it was awesome
[17:21] <jcastro> who set up the demo, them or one of us?
[17:21] <balloons> jcastro, I guess we should make sure that it's NOT running the old java version
[17:21] <balloons> they setup the demo
[17:21] <jcastro> no, he's got the new one working
[17:22] <jcastro> I am just trying to determine if getting it working is some kind of still-only-2-people-in-the-world-know-how-to-get-it-working
[17:22] <mhall119> balloons: is that the mozilla qa app?
[17:23] <balloons> yes
[17:24] <mhall119> balloons: do you know nigelb?  If not, you will and should, he's done a lot of web-dev for both Ubuntu and Mozilla projects
[17:24] <balloons> mhall119, I do not
[17:24] <balloons> can you send an intro?
[17:25] <nigelb> o/
[17:25] <mhall119> heh
[17:25] <doctormon> nigelb: \o
[17:25] <mhall119> nigelb -> balloons, balloons -> nigel
[17:25] <nigelb> I just happened to glance right into this channel :)
[17:25] <pleia2> doctormon: have a few minutes for a quick chat about art? :)
[17:25] <mhall119> "just happened", right
[17:25] <doctormon> pleia2: Sure, where do you want to chat?
[17:25] <mhall119> nigelb is in 90% of the channels on freenode
[17:25] <pleia2> doctormon: PM ok?
[17:25] <nigelb> doctormon: o/ Epic cartoon for groklaw :)
[17:25] <nigelb> mhall119: haha
[17:26] <doctormon> mhall119: and 90% of the channels not on freenode.
[17:26] <mhall119> doctormon: I think he's on 99% of non-freenode channels
[17:26] <balloons> :-)
[17:26] <nigelb> I'm on 3 networks :P
[17:26] <balloons> nigelb, hello
[17:26] <nigelb> balloons: How can I help?
[17:26] <mhall119> I don't think I can find an IRC channel anywhere on the internet without either nigelb or pleia2
[17:26] <doctormon> pleia2: My notifier is borked, I'll init
[17:27] <nigelb> pleia2 is *everywhere*
[17:27] <balloons> Well, if you have the channel history see above :-) jcastro and I are trying to get case conductor installed, and are wondering how to do so and where the code lives exactly, etc
[17:27] <nigelb> casse conductor, never heard of it. Let me look/ask around
[17:27] <balloons> jcastro is writing a charm for it.. It appears to be django completely
[17:27] <nigelb> balloons: do you have a link to a running instance of it?
[17:28] <jcastro> I am not writing it, I convinced Stefano to have a look at it though
 It's ok, I will volunteer to write charms for all of Mozilla's web tools
[17:28] <jcastro> oh really? Thanks nigelb!
[17:28] <Pendulum> mhall119: I'm in a couple that actually have neither nigelb or pleia2 in them. But they're not Ubuntu related
[17:29] <nigelb> jcastro: when I finish all the commitments I currently have.
[17:29] <nigelb> balloons: The code lives here https://github.com/mozilla/caseconductor
[17:29] <jcastro> your commitments are like mine though, neverending
[17:30] <mhall119> Pendulum: wow
[17:30] <nigelb> heh
[17:30] <nigelb> well, by commitments, I mean, bugs that are assigned to me and I have a particial fix.
[17:30] <nigelb> There's 3 on LP, 2 on firefox, one on thunderbird, a few on input.mozilla.org, and a bunch on summit.
[17:31] <nigelb> I've not started anything new in the new year. Just closing bugs that I've agreed to do :(
[17:31] <Pendulum> mhall119: actually, I'm also in one that is Ubuntu related, but neither one of them is in it.
[17:31] <nigelb> which channel is that? accessibility?
[17:32] <Pendulum> #ubuntu-uk-podcast
[17:32] <nigelb> hah
[17:32] <jcastro> balloons: any idea what IRC channel they hang out in?
[17:32] <balloons> jcastro, good question.. I'm guessing we could find out by asking around a bit
[17:33] <nigelb> probably labs
[17:33] <nigelb> this project sounds like a labs project
[17:35] <nigelb> Aha, its a QA project.
[17:36] <nigelb> balloons: I'm off to bed. When I wake up I can dig further. For now, #qa on irc.mozilla.org should be helpful.
[17:36] <balloons> nigelb, thank yo umuch
[17:37] <balloons> I'll head over there and ping around
[17:37] <nigelb> :)
[17:38] <nigelb> balloons: you'll probably want carljm (judging from the github commits)
[17:38] <balloons> cool.. i'll namedrop you so he doesn't get too freaked out by the random guy on irc
[17:38] <balloons> haha
[17:39] <jcastro> yeah!
[17:39] <nigelb> He probably doesn't know me :)
[17:40] <nigelb> But there are others in QA who I work with :)
[17:44] <balloons> ohh.. does irc.mozilla.org use ssl?
[17:44] <balloons> if so, port?
[18:07] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[18:09] <czajkowski> https://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/contributor_communities  :)
[18:21] <akgraner> czajkowski, looks interesting - Congrats
[18:22] <akgraner> one of these days I want to go to FOSDEM
[18:32] <balloons> czajkowski, very cool
[19:03] <akgraner> jcastro I used your lightning talk from Budapest as justification to just hit the delete button and not save everything.  You're an authority now :-)
[19:04] <akgraner> hopefully my engineer manager will fill the same way :-) He liked your talk as well.
[19:04] <akgraner> engineering even
[21:58] <JanC> anybody here knows http://www.linuxidentity.com/us/ ?