[02:32] mhall119: Ping [02:32] doctormon: pong [02:32] mhall119: Singlets [02:32] yeah, I haven't done anything much with it since my blog post :( [02:33] Cannot call method Search / InfoRequest / SetViewType proxy /com/canonical/unity/lens/applications does not exist [02:33] I get these warns a lot during activity [02:33] doctormon: Unity 4 or 5? [02:33] I think 5, I assume that's in Precise? [02:34] yeah [02:34] some APIs in libunity changed, I haven't looked up what or updated singlet accordingly yet [02:35] but that's the most likely explanation [02:35] mhall119: I'm not sure I get why lens code is so complex... it's like a babage machine in there. [02:35] doctormon: it's worse in Python, since you do everything over gobject and dbus [02:35] I think it's cleaner in Vala [02:36] singlet is an effort to de-complex-ify lenses [02:36] Meh somewhat, but how hard is it to make a registry service over dbus in vala with a set of standard API hooks. [02:37] doctormon: if you wouldn't mine filing a bug against singlet on LP, I'll try and get with davidcalle this week to learn about what's changed in teh API [02:38] Sure, I'll put the project and bug lenses to bed until the issues are fixed. [02:38] doctormon: I'm told the libunity API if stable as of Unity 5 [02:38] so it's just a matter of me upgrading Singlet [02:39] sure [02:39] which hopefully won't be too painful [02:41] mhall119: https://bugs.launchpad.net/singlet/+bug/917992 [02:41] Launchpad bug 917992 in singlet "Signlets have problems in Unity 5" [Undecided,New] [03:05] doctormon: Might you have a link to that portrait you did of me? [04:09] night all [08:19] good morning [08:19] great day dholbach [08:19] hey jokerdino [08:20] i had used your developer guide on OMGUbuntu and just finished packaging an application from its source. feels great :) [08:20] nice - good work! [08:20] I'm glad it was useful to you [08:21] oh i forgot to thank you. thanks! [08:21] (but it's not /my/ guide - there's been a lot of people working on it ;-)) [08:21] thanks to all of them then! :) [08:21] I'm just in the process of submitting it as an article series to linux magazine [08:22] so I hope more people will learn about ubuntu development and get interested in helping out [08:22] actually, when i was first reading the series, it didn't look that appealing / easy. [08:23] but, when i tried to put it in practice for the first time, i just found out that it was super easy. [08:23] :-) [08:24] i hope more people find it useful as well. it is probably one of the best packaging guide i have ever tried. [08:24] nice [08:25] * dholbach borrows the comment for @ubuntudev :-D [08:26] * dholbach hugs jokerdino [08:26] haha :D [08:26] * jokerdino hugs dholbach back. [08:27] ok, I can't tweet it - damn 140 char restriction ;-) [08:28] it's always like https://twitter.com/#!/vintageortacky/status/149154459631632384 [08:30] just managed to read that tweet. don't commit a crime heh :/ [08:55] it looks like not everybody gets why wikipedia is protesting today: https://twitter.com/#!/herpderpedia [09:04] james_w, pkgme session at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable? :) [09:06] dholbach: surely people are naive. [10:55] Hello [13:48] uggh [14:10] * dholbach hugs james_w [14:14] cjohnston: Did someone just message me? Empathy crash :-( [14:14] not that i know of [14:15] hmm, unrequited message. [14:15] dholbach, I don't see where old_bzr_log_dir is defined in your other proposal? [14:17] oops [14:17] that was clearly not intended this way - hang on [14:21] Why oh why do I need to sign up to every two bit bugzilla in order to report bugs. [14:21] It's like the developers _want_ users not to report issues. [14:24] james_w, fixed and resubmitted - I renamed the variable but forgot it in one instance - I just ran it again and pyflakes'd it :) [14:26] dholbach, do you want to use a finally block to replace the variable so it happens even if there is an error? [14:26] ah, that's a clever idea, yes :) [14:26] always good to get a james_w-code-review [14:44] heya daker [14:45] hey jcastro [14:46] any word on the case conductor charm? [14:46] * balloons smiles a big big smile [14:46] getting a status on it now [14:46] hey so, is it not all django? [14:46] they're telling me they ran into java, etc. [14:46] ouch [14:47] java != fun [14:47] i had thought it was all django [14:47] did they use java and not python for backend stuff? or java for UI stuff? [14:47] I wonder... [14:49] james_w, I'm glad I went through this exercise - I tested it again and found that in some cases os.getenv/os.putenv didn't work - in the end I used os.environ which worked nicely [14:50] oh I just found the backend [14:50] oh god, jboss [14:50] hey so balloons [14:50] can you find out if this is all we need "https://github.com/mozilla/caseconductor" [14:50] or if we need all the other stuff [14:51] the other stuff looks untouched [14:51] and the blog says they redid the whole thing [14:51] so I am hoping all this java stuff is old and not needed anymore [14:51] yo jcastro [14:51] ahh [14:51] * dholbach hugs daker [14:51] quite likely that's the case [14:51] I will get in touch with the mozilla guys [14:51] just a quick thumbs up or down will do [14:52] daker: hey so how can we remove the tag cloud from cloud.u.c? [14:52] I'm going to start moving away from so many tags on the things [14:53] jcastro, from the admin [14:53] jcastro, wp-admin/edit-tags.php?taxonomy=post_tag [14:55] ok that appears to take me to the dashboard [14:55] daker, كيف حالك، أخي؟ [14:55] jcastro, yes [14:56] dholbach, nice ツ [14:57] daker, it took me a bit :) [14:57] huats, tu as survécu ton appel? [14:57] dholbach: almost [14:57] give me 2 minutes :) [14:57] haha :) [14:57] daker: how would I remove the tag cloud from here? [15:00] jcastro, select the tags you want to remove, and the top there is a "bulk actions" menu, the select "delete" item [15:00] dholbach, approved [15:00] * dholbach hugs james_w [15:00] yyeeeehaw [15:00] salut huats [15:00] maybe we make Harvest entirely work one day again :) [15:00] hello james_w ! [15:01] let's rewrite harvest in java [15:01] jcastro, wordpress is hard to maintain :/ [15:01] jcastro, you are correct they are rewriting to django.. however there may be some legacy java code that is needed... gema will be finding out for sure [15:01] or as they say in the beautiful country of daker: انشاء الله :) [15:01] balloons: you guys tricked me. "oh it's just some python" [15:01] yes dholbach [15:01] then you sneak in a bunch of java [15:02] thanks again james_w [15:07] jcastro, it's how we roll.. and ohh yea, we needed it yesterday, so... [15:08] jk [15:08] jcastro, it's ok for you ? [15:08] I still can't find where to remove it [15:09] huats, let me know when you're ready [15:09] dholbach: I am [15:09] excellent [15:09] I was trying to change my language in g+ [15:10] :) [15:10] pfff [15:10] haha [15:10] I'll fire up the hangout [15:10] great [15:10] jcastro, if you want to delete a bunch of them like this http://i.imgur.com/4WyAU.png [15:10] then click on "Bulk actions" and there you will find the delete item [15:11] ok [15:11] and how about the display of the tags themselves on the front page? [15:12] they are dynamic [15:17] jcastro: ping [15:17] YO [15:18] got time for a quick hangout? [15:18] daker: right so is there a way I can just remove the whole box? [15:18] mhall119: gimme 15? [15:18] still catching up [15:18] sure [15:18] jcastro, yes [15:19] you need to hack the theme [15:20] page-home.php? [15:22] aha, sidebar.php [15:23] bah, close but no cigar [15:24] * jcastro files RT ticket to get write access [15:26] nooooooooooooooooooooo [15:26] :) [15:27] jcastro, they will not give you write access [15:28] and instead tell them to pull the them from lp:~daker/+junk/uecv2 [15:28] hey dholbach [15:28] There's a trello board in the topic if you want to keep it going [15:39] mhall119: ok all set. [15:41] jcastro, I have most of my tasks in task warrior already [15:41] * jcastro task warrior's your face. [15:41] best project name ever. [15:42] yeah, the project name is unnecessarily metal, but oh well [15:42] :-P [15:42] jcastro: invite sent [15:43] jcastro: also, you should do this for your standing desk: http://notinventedhe.re/on/2012-1-18 [15:43] jcastro, dpm, balloons, mhall119: is bacon going to back today? are we team meeting? [15:43] I know he's coming back today [15:43] ...going to be back... [15:43] ok perfect [15:43] as for team meeting, dunno [15:43] he said he would talk on thursday, if i'm remembering correctly [15:44] I would take that to mean he'll be off today recovering from jetlag :-) but I have a horrible memory [15:44] you'll all get to find out just how poor it is as time goes on [15:45] * balloons just said you all all ^ [15:47] dholbach, I don't know, either [15:51] ok, thanks :) [16:01] if someone can donate a PC able to run ubuntu correctly to me i will pray with him all the day [16:13] daker, what is broken on the one you use? [16:15] i have two, one P4 with 256RAM with GC intel with i915Driver [16:15] and celeron slower than this one [16:16] and flash is killing them [16:16] oh yeah, I can imagine :-/ [16:18] and the big problem is this i915 Driver [16:19] X is crashing every 10min then i have to restart the machine [16:19] does apport pop up for those crashes? [16:23] no, when X crashes the black tty screen appears then i have to Alt+SysRQ+o [16:23] and anything in X log? [16:23] maybe you could ask the guys in #ubuntu-x about it [16:23] that's a problem with the GC driver [16:24] it's not stable and it always in a testing mode [16:24] :-( [16:24] daker: where in the world are you located? [16:25] Morocco [16:26] I have a PC [16:26] balloons: you all? come one now [16:26] but the shipping cost would kill the idea [16:26] you gotta represent the south man, it's y'all [16:26] jcastro: yeah, i was thinking same, hence the question [16:27] jcastro, if so i'll rewrite the cloud portal for you ツ [16:28] dholbach, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes [16:28] daker: you didn't swipe dholbach's when you had teh chance? [16:28] let me price out what it would be [16:28] I would more than happily donate this core2 with 8gb of RAM. :) [16:28] the cost of shipping would crush me though [16:28] how much ? [16:28] it will be a lot, I can tell [16:29] a PC, international shipping, etc. [16:29] it cost me $30 US to send a $6 coffee cup to someone. [16:29] so I imagine a PC would easily be a few hundred bucks [16:29] thats an expensive cup of coffee [16:29] still cheaper than Starbucks [16:29] :o [16:30] czajkowski: how are you feeling? [16:31] grand thanks just went for a walk and didnt over do it [16:31] and didn't come back needing t lay down to rest [16:31] win :) [16:32] \o/ [16:32] daker, that sucks :-( [16:32] jcastro, jussi anyway thanks ツ [16:33] I'll find out how much it is [16:33] if it's not too much maybe we can all chip in [16:33] * daker hugs jcastro [16:37] with DHL from Germany to Morocco a package with up to 20kg (is that how much a desktop pc weighs?) seems to cost 66€, not sure how much customs might want(?) [16:38] I found http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080806060246AAjQOqF too, not sure though how reliable the info is on there [16:38] customs is the killer [16:38] a desktop shouldnt weeigh that much [16:44] or cost that much [16:49] jcastro: should have deleted that ndiswrapper when I had the "power" :) [16:49] dholbach: still around? [16:50] Design meeting to start in 10 mins in #ubuntu-design [17:03] technoviking: yeah this guy mailed me directly for some reason [17:03] and was like "should I do this?" [17:03] and I'm like, no dude that post is from 2006. [17:03] mhall119, yes [17:04] dholbach: hey, I changed my session name to "Ubuntu technology overview" [17:04] since I'm going to talk about Ubuntu One as well as Unity [17:04] also, I got you a TV guy :) [17:04] mh, ok [17:04] mhall119, oh, who? [17:04] Saviq [17:04] because I'm talking to saviq already [17:05] ah nice [17:05] :) [17:07] jcastro: I'm going to ping the FC and see if that can at least put a warning on the top of the post. [17:08] jcastro: I have used the solution I posted, it should wotk. At least clean thing out enough to do the real fix [17:09] yeah, there's 0 reason to send people ndiswrapper if we don't need to [17:10] so I'm wrapping up my list-o-links for a contributing to Ubuntu talk for Ubucon at SCALE on friday, how useful is harvest.ubuntu.com really? [17:11] I clicked around some and was not filled with hope [17:11] pleia2, it's a bit broken right now, but I'm on it [17:11] dholbach: ok thanks, I'll pull it from my recommendations for now [17:12] at least getting it to do what it's expected to do and from there on we can see if we can get some user testing going and then some development priorities [17:12] yes, please do [17:12] alright my friends - I call it a day, see you all tomorrow [17:12] HUGS [17:13] bye dholbach [17:13] Ugh, getting a head cold and 6-12" of snow. Hope this does not screw up my flight to LA tomorrow afternoon [17:14] technoviking, get well soon again [17:14] I think I'm almost over my dose of Rallyflu [17:14] it's supposed to rain tomorrow evening, since everyone in california is afraid of weather I expect some annoyance [17:14] still very very tired though [17:14] * pleia2 makes note not to hug technoviking [17:14] ;) [17:15] see you tomorrow :) [17:15] the scale flu last year was the worst sick I've been in years, I had a fever for 3 days [17:16] pleia2: ouch [17:17] @jorge this is my progress so far: both caseconductor and caseconductor-ui start and run (with the builtin django webserver only). One just gives me a 404 and the other gives me a huge traceback. :\ [17:17] jcastro: Error: "jorge" is not a valid command. [17:17] balloons: ^^ [17:17] balloons: ok let's back up a minute [17:18] ? [17:18] balloons: "hey so Case Conductor works right?" [17:18] pleia2: it maybe a cold or just the crap air we have in the winter in Salt Lake City [17:19] technoviking: you're going to scale right? [17:20] what, is *everyone* going to scale but me? :( [17:20] I don't even know what scale is mhall119 [17:20] Southern California Linux Expo [17:21] Bloody million miles away, no wonder I'm not going. [17:21] one of (of not the) biggest community-run linux conference in teh US [17:21] jcastro, yes it works to the extent there is a demo site of it running [17:21] I got to attend twice [17:21] it was awesome [17:21] who set up the demo, them or one of us? [17:21] jcastro, I guess we should make sure that it's NOT running the old java version [17:21] they setup the demo [17:21] no, he's got the new one working [17:22] I am just trying to determine if getting it working is some kind of still-only-2-people-in-the-world-know-how-to-get-it-working [17:22] balloons: is that the mozilla qa app? [17:23] yes [17:24] balloons: do you know nigelb? If not, you will and should, he's done a lot of web-dev for both Ubuntu and Mozilla projects [17:24] mhall119, I do not [17:24] can you send an intro? [17:25] o/ [17:25] heh [17:25] nigelb: \o [17:25] nigelb -> balloons, balloons -> nigel [17:25] I just happened to glance right into this channel :) [17:25] doctormon: have a few minutes for a quick chat about art? :) [17:25] "just happened", right [17:25] pleia2: Sure, where do you want to chat? [17:25] nigelb is in 90% of the channels on freenode [17:25] doctormon: PM ok? [17:25] doctormon: o/ Epic cartoon for groklaw :) [17:25] mhall119: haha [17:26] mhall119: and 90% of the channels not on freenode. [17:26] doctormon: I think he's on 99% of non-freenode channels [17:26] :-) [17:26] I'm on 3 networks :P [17:26] nigelb, hello [17:26] balloons: How can I help? [17:26] I don't think I can find an IRC channel anywhere on the internet without either nigelb or pleia2 [17:26] pleia2: My notifier is borked, I'll init [17:27] pleia2 is *everywhere* [17:27] Well, if you have the channel history see above :-) jcastro and I are trying to get case conductor installed, and are wondering how to do so and where the code lives exactly, etc [17:27] casse conductor, never heard of it. Let me look/ask around [17:27] jcastro is writing a charm for it.. It appears to be django completely [17:27] balloons: do you have a link to a running instance of it? [17:28] I am not writing it, I convinced Stefano to have a look at it though [17:28] It's ok, I will volunteer to write charms for all of Mozilla's web tools [17:28] oh really? Thanks nigelb! [17:28] mhall119: I'm in a couple that actually have neither nigelb or pleia2 in them. But they're not Ubuntu related [17:29] jcastro: when I finish all the commitments I currently have. [17:29] balloons: The code lives here https://github.com/mozilla/caseconductor [17:29] your commitments are like mine though, neverending [17:30] Pendulum: wow [17:30] heh [17:30] well, by commitments, I mean, bugs that are assigned to me and I have a particial fix. [17:30] There's 3 on LP, 2 on firefox, one on thunderbird, a few on input.mozilla.org, and a bunch on summit. [17:31] I've not started anything new in the new year. Just closing bugs that I've agreed to do :( [17:31] mhall119: actually, I'm also in one that is Ubuntu related, but neither one of them is in it. [17:31] which channel is that? accessibility? [17:32] #ubuntu-uk-podcast [17:32] hah [17:32] balloons: any idea what IRC channel they hang out in? [17:32] jcastro, good question.. I'm guessing we could find out by asking around a bit [17:33] probably labs [17:33] this project sounds like a labs project [17:35] Aha, its a QA project. [17:36] balloons: I'm off to bed. When I wake up I can dig further. For now, #qa on irc.mozilla.org should be helpful. [17:36] nigelb, thank yo umuch [17:37] I'll head over there and ping around [17:37] :) [17:38] balloons: you'll probably want carljm (judging from the github commits) [17:38] cool.. i'll namedrop you so he doesn't get too freaked out by the random guy on irc [17:38] haha [17:39] yeah! [17:39] He probably doesn't know me :) [17:40] But there are others in QA who I work with :) [17:44] ohh.. does irc.mozilla.org use ssl? [17:44] if so, port? [18:07] Goodbye. [18:09] https://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/contributor_communities :) [18:21] czajkowski, looks interesting - Congrats [18:22] one of these days I want to go to FOSDEM [18:32] czajkowski, very cool [19:03] jcastro I used your lightning talk from Budapest as justification to just hit the delete button and not save everything. You're an authority now :-) [19:04] hopefully my engineer manager will fill the same way :-) He liked your talk as well. [19:04] engineering even [21:58] anybody here knows http://www.linuxidentity.com/us/ ?