[19:33] <Atamira> morning
[21:36] <ajmitch> morning
[22:01] <ibeardslee> morning
[22:13] <kcj> morning
[22:16] <chilts> morning
[23:22] <G> how this seems like a great place to ask, anyone here had issues accessing the ASB site since the FF 8 update a while back?
[23:28] <ojwb> just give me your login details and I'll take a look fot you
[23:31] <G> ojwb: well even just accessing the asb.co.nz homepage
[23:31]  * ojwb doesn't have FF8 so can't easily check
[23:31] <ojwb> there's a good chance someone will
[23:31] <G> ojwb: fair enough
[23:32] <kcj> G, I see the problem.
[23:32] <G> kcj: it happens for you? Directs to their mobile site, and the click to their full site is broken?
[23:32] <kcj> Yep.
[23:34] <G> (believe it to not, I told ASB about it over a month ago)
[23:34] <kcj> G, Found a solution.
[23:35] <kcj> G, Install a user agent switching addon and switch your user agent to IE 9.
[23:35] <G> kcj: yeah exactly
[23:37] <G> kcj: I got fed up though (cos I don't really like running addons etc) and this time send them a message via Fastnet, "Regrettably, ASB does not support the Ubuntu operating system. I am sorry."  (although he said say he was going to forward it again to the ones that manage the site, so that is something
[23:38] <kcj> Lame.
[23:38] <kcj> Why do you use firefox if you don't like add-ons?
[23:39]  * ojwb prods his partner to see if she has a suitable windows FF at work
[23:39] <G> ojwb: oh it works in Windows
[23:39] <ojwb> ah
[23:39] <ojwb> quality
[23:39] <ojwb> that's ASB on the blacklist then
[23:39] <G> fwiw: http://dev.nigelj.com/user-agent-change
[23:40] <G> all I can see that has changed it, is that the "Ubuntu;" added before X11
[23:44] <G> kcj: in answer to your question: FF Sync (between installations/computers/etc etc), when needed (which atm it is on one of my installations the addons like Firebug are pretty darn good), and I get good mileage out of it
[23:45] <ojwb> firefox addons do sometimes seem to make it less stable
[23:45] <ojwb> though it's hard to actually know what crashed it
[23:47] <kcj> The only thing that's keeping me on FF is the add-ons.
[23:47] <kcj> Otherwise I'd be using Chrome.
[23:48] <G> I still don't like Chrome
[23:48] <ojwb> the process separation is nice, but I think FF has that too now
[23:49] <G> ojwb: Chrome's separation is iirc per tab, where as FF's is 'firefox' and 'plugin-container'
[23:49] <ojwb> oh, that's a lot less good
[23:49] <G> but it means if Flash/Java/etc get a bit pushy, you can just kill the plugin-container
[23:49] <ojwb> chrome is per tab for a while, and at some point it seems to put more than one tab in each process
[23:50] <ojwb> but a tab dying doesn't kill the browser, just the tab itself and maybe a few others
[23:50] <ojwb> I don't run flash or java plugins, so they don't get a chance to take the browser down
[23:50] <ojwb> i suspect java is only useful if you have a particular application which needs it now
[23:51] <ojwb> i've not hit a site which seemed affected by lack of java for years
[23:51] <G> I have, but that is partly because I've wanted to use them and knew full well I'd need Java, so not a great example ;)
[23:53] <kcj> Java is good for Minecraft. :)
[23:54] <G> kcj: anyway, thanks for confirming that it wasn't just me
[23:55] <kcj> np