[00:01] <qman__> Titomen, run sudo apt-get update
[00:01] <qman__> that error is usually caused by an out of date package list or a failed download
[00:01] <qman__> or a bad source
[00:03] <Titomen> qman__: ok let me try
[00:05] <Titomen> qman__: look what i am getting: http://pastebin.com/d3tWNT0W
[00:05] <qman__> means either your internet's down (link or DNS) or you're being blocked from accessing the mirror
[00:06] <Titomen> qman__: if i can putty into the server from home..i guess the porblem is not the internet?
[00:07] <qman__> could still be DNS
[00:07] <Titomen> qman__: whta options do i have?
[00:07] <qman__> try to ping google.com
[00:07] <qman__> then try to ping ubuntu.com
[00:07] <qman__> if neither works, try to ping 8.8.8.8
[00:07] <Titomen> from putty?
[00:07] <qman__> from your server
[00:08] <DREDNOFEAR> anyone have any ideas on how to trouble shoot a dig SERVFAIL?
[00:10] <Titomen> qman__: 64 bytes from gx-in-f106.1e100.net (74.125.65.106): icmp_seq=88 ttl=47 time=25.7 ms
[00:10] <Titomen> 64 bytes from gx-in-f106.1e100.net (74.125.65.106): icmp_seq=89 ttl=47 time=26.0 ms
[00:10] <Titomen> 64 bytes from gx-in-f106.1e100.net (74.125.65.106): icmp_seq=90 ttl=47 time=25.3 ms
[00:10] <Titomen> 64 bytes from gx-in-f106.1e100.net (74.125.65.106): icmp_seq=91 ttl=47 time=26.1 ms
[00:10] <qman__> so you have internet and dns
[00:10] <qman__> are you able to ping ubuntu.com?
[00:11] <l0n> DREDNOFEAR: can you telnet to port 53 on the server running bind?
[00:11] <qman__> or, to be more specific, archive.ubuntu.com
[00:11] <Titomen> qman__: let me try
[00:12] <qman__> if you can, and apt-get update still doesn't work, it means your web traffic is being filtered
[00:12] <DREDNOFEAR> no can't telnet on port 53
[00:13] <l0n> DREDNOFEAR: sounds like it could be a firewall issue or you aren't binding to the correct IP address on the server
[00:14] <osmosis> whats the recommend protocol to use for file transfer between two servers on a local network?  SSH is gettting cpu bottlenecked.
[00:14] <Titomen> qman__: 64 bytes from cursa.canonical.com (91.189.92.176): icmp_seq=1 ttl=42 time=147 ms
[00:14] <Titomen> 64 bytes from cursa.canonical.com (91.189.92.176): icmp_seq=2 ttl=42 time=141 ms
[00:14] <Titomen> 64 bytes from cursa.canonical.com (91.189.92.176): icmp_seq=3 ttl=42 time=138 ms
[00:14] <Titomen> 64 bytes from cursa.canonical.com (91.189.92.176): icmp_seq=4 ttl=42 time=149 ms
[00:14] <Titomen> qman__: so what are my options
[00:15] <qman__> attempt to wget archive.ubuntu.com or telnet archive.ubuntu.com 80
[00:15] <l0n> osmosis: off the top of my head, you could use: NFS, SMB or FTP
[00:15] <qman__> if those do not work, that confirms that your web traffic is being blocked
[00:15] <qman__> in which case, check your firewall
[00:15] <Titomen> qman__: so that is the comand i have touse: wget archive.ubuntu.com
[00:17]  * pehden is away: I'm busy
[00:19] <qman__> yes
[00:20] <Titomen> qman__: this is what i get: http://pastebin.com/GVKjW0AB
[00:20] <qman__> that means it worked and you're online
[00:20] <qman__> try to sudo apt-get update again
[00:22] <SpamapS> Daviey: fyi, the bug in juju that causes the test suite to fail is bug 917954
[00:23] <Titomen> qman__: i believe i am getting the same errors: http://pastebin.com/NvMCzyTu
[00:24] <qman__> oh, I just noticed it
[00:24] <qman__> you're running karmic
[00:24] <qman__> karmic is old and unsupported
[00:24] <qman__> so the mirrors aren't there
[00:25] <l0n> qman__: they've been renamed haven't they?
[00:25] <qman__> AFAIK they're just gone
[00:25] <qman__> if they do still exist, that's news to me, and good news
[00:26] <Titomen> qman__: how easy is to upgradfe...
[00:26] <qman__> it's much easier if you do it before the release goes unsupported
[00:26] <qman__> but you can upgrade from a 10.04 lucid disc
[00:27] <qman__> http://mreschke.com/topic/254/Ubuntu+End+of+Life+and+Upgrades
[00:28] <qman__> and the official doc, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[00:28] <qman__> and yes, looks like they are up at old-releases.ubuntu.com
[00:28] <qman__> which is good to know
[00:28] <l0n> You may be able to fix it like this if you don't want to upgrade: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and replace all instances of archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com with the very fitting old-releases.ubuntu.com. After that, run sudo apt-get update and watch the repository indexes roll in!
[00:28] <l0n> yeah old-releases, that's what I was thinking of
[00:29] <Daviey> SpamapS: thanks
[00:37] <Titomen> l0n: well is not that i do not want to upgrade...i am a newbee..i have this server which is backing up  my computerws very nicely...if the upgrade process is easy...i have no problem....
[00:37] <qman__> if your server is hosting anything to the internet, you should upgrade
[00:37] <qman__> if it isn't, and is only used locally, you may not want to upgrade, because there's a possibility it can break things
[00:38] <twb> If his machine is networked *AT ALL* he should upgrade to a supported release
[00:38] <Titomen> qman__: for now it backups all the data of my 5 office windows computer with delta copy and rsync... even though i know that you guys do not like webmin...i use it to monitor the server..and if i need to do command i use putty...
[00:39] <qman__> the upgrade process itself is easy
[00:39] <qman__> but bugs and things happen
[00:39] <qman__> webmin could make upgrading a total disaster
[00:40] <Titomen> is there  away to do an image and if this does not work easily foo back untill i have much more time to dedicate for
[00:40] <qman__> yes
[00:40] <qman__> if you have a drive which has enough free space to back up the entirety of your server
[00:40] <qman__> you can back it up with programs like partimage or dd
[00:40] <twb> webmin makes everything a total disaster
[00:40] <Titomen> webmin is only to monitor...like my softwere raids..i have 4 software raids...
[00:40] <qman__> or even tar
[00:40] <twb> It is turnkey disaster software
[00:40] <qman__> webmin is webmin
[00:40] <qman__> it doesn't matter what you use it for, its mere presence introduces lots of issues
[00:41] <qman__> especially for this type of situation
[00:41] <Titomen> so if i need to check the server in a easy was i understand that everybody does not like guis?
[00:41] <qman__> it depends on what you're checking
[00:42] <qman__> there are lots of full blown monitoring solutions which work much better than webmin and are nice to the system
[00:42] <qman__> like nagios, icinga, mrtg, ...
[00:42] <qman__> cacti
[00:43] <qman__> if you only need simple things, you can write it yourself, like I did: https://qman.strangled.net:8443/stats.php
[00:44] <Titomen> mayinly..with webmin i can chek the file manager so i can see the windows doc files and even open them directly if needed...also even though i know hte comand to repair a degrade raid..with webmin takes 2 sec..or if i need to edit any of the etc files...from there is like working on a word document and then safe?
[00:44] <qman__> the problem is the way it works
[00:44] <qman__> webmin is not cohesive with the way debian and ubuntu packages work
[00:44] <qman__> it breaks configs
[00:45] <twb> webmin takes over
[00:45] <twb> Then it makes a mess and leaves everyone else to pick up the pieces
[00:45] <twb> It's like having a toddler as senior engineer
[00:47] <Titomen> so if i would like to make an image i have a 1 tb disk usb i can cnect to the server...how willi do the image...also my raids are as follow..md0 is boot for 100mb, md1 is 2 gig for swap, md2 is 10 gig for system and md3 is 1 tb for home....teh image should be of the system or of all the server?
[00:48] <patdk-lap> depends on what you care about
[00:48] <patdk-lap> personally, I normally do one backup per filesystem
[00:49] <twb> I typically backup files, not filesystems
[00:49] <patdk-lap> twb, depends on what kind of backup your doing :)
[00:49] <patdk-lap> some I only backup files, other I backup filesystem images
[00:50] <Titomen> is this case if i want to do an upgrade and be protected that if it fails can go back to the previous state
[00:50] <twb> Then back up the entire disk
[00:51] <Titomen> aany easy way
[00:51] <twb> But since you have installed webmin, it would be safer to throw the system away and do a completely fresh install
[00:52] <Titomen> that is fine but if i have trouble i can place back the image and trouble shoud so i do no thave downtime with te oiffice computers
[00:52] <Titomen> any easy way to do a complete computer backup?
[00:52] <Patrickdk> technically, you don't have to backup /home for that
[00:53] <Patrickdk> unless you royally mess it up
[00:54] <Titomen> qman__: which monitoring solutions you recomend
[00:55]  * patdk-lap loves munin, easy, quick, simple
[00:57] <twb> I (grudgingly) use nagios for availability monitoring, and collect for performance monitoring.
[00:58] <twb> *collectd
[00:58] <twb> I'm substantially more impressed with collectd than munin
[00:58] <twb> Most of the others I shit-canned because they wanted PHP
[01:04] <pmatulis> shit-canned?
[01:05] <qman__> pigeon holed
[01:05] <twb> blacklisted, boycotted, rejected
[01:06] <Titomen> Thanks everybody foor the help...which will be the easiest wqay to do that image of the system, if i cinnect a usb external hard drive
[01:07] <qman__> partimage works pretty well
[01:08] <qman__> and is conveniently on systemrescuecd
[01:08] <qman__> otherwise I'd pipe dd through gzip
[01:08] <Titomen> as you can see i am very neewbe on this which can make my life easy
[01:10] <Titomen> so is partoimage something i copy on a cd and boot the server from it and then do the copy?
[01:11] <qman__> that's the best way to do it, to avoid accidental corruption
[01:11] <qman__> the interface to partimage is a little bit clunky but it's not that hard
[01:12] <qman__> it's in the repos and can be installed in an ubuntu live environment
[01:14] <Titomen> do you mind to tell me in simple words what " installed in an ubuntu live environment"means
[01:16] <qman__> it means, you can boot a desktop CD to the live environment, and install and use the partimage package within that environment, without modifying your filesystem
[01:19] <Titomen> so i can not just download partimage burn it as an iso on a windows computer to a cd and boot the server on the pasrtimage cd...i shoudl do it from a ubuntu desktop cd and then run it?
[01:19] <qman__> partimage itself is a program
[01:19] <qman__> it's available on many different linux CDs
[01:19] <qman__> systemrescuecd is one, and you can use it in ubuntu too
[01:20] <qman__> the problem you're going to run into is your raid
[01:20] <qman__> you have to reassemble it in the live environment, so use what's most familiar to you
[01:20] <qman__> I guessed that would be ubuntu
[01:23] <Titomen> And if i am able to do first a copy fit partimage..for security reasons, and then if a keep my raids..wound that isntal in the md0 which is the system...should the md3 which is the home stay the smae?
[01:30] <Titomen> Thanks everybody for your help and also for your patient and understanding
[01:38] <Titomen> i was reading and would liketo knowif anybody has any coments about EBOX
[01:48] <FuZi0N> Anyone know how to modify the maximum number of connections per user for pptp vpn in ubuntu?
[01:51] <twb> FuZi0N: it's probably configurable
[01:51] <FuZi0N> any idea how?
[01:51] <FuZi0N> ive been searching everywhere but dont had no luck finding it
[04:08] <osmosis> curious...do power users usually use aptitude? or is apt-get or aptitude just a style preference?
[04:08] <twb> I use aptitude for things apt-get/apt-cache can't do, like complex searches
[04:08] <twb> aptitude starts substantially slower on my machine
[04:46] <DREDNOFEAR> hey all
[05:19] <johnthenewguy> hi is it possible to get macvtap working on ubuntu-server maverick?
[05:19] <johnthenewguy> http://archipelproject.org/2011/09/28/kill-your-bridges/
[07:40] <papertigers> anyone know how to build a ubuntu vm that can be used for virtual machine cloning
[07:41] <papertigers> is there a better way then logging in and resetting ssh keys, hostname, etc
[07:42] <henkjan> papertigers: http://libguestfs.org/virt-sysprep.1.html
[08:01] <RoyK> henkjan: thanks - I didn't know that :)
[08:04] <papertigers> RoyK: you are just everywhere :P
[08:04] <RoyK> not really :P
[08:05] <RoyK> :þ
[08:05] <papertigers> RoyK: atleast the same channels lol
[08:05] <RoyK> #openindiana and #ubuntu-server, but that's about it (add #illumos in there, though)
[08:05] <papertigers> im in illumos too
[08:05] <papertigers> im playing with smartos
[08:06] <RoyK> hm... smartos?
[08:06]  * RoyK reads up
[08:09] <papertigers> RoyK: figured youd already know hah
[08:09] <RoyK> any amd support yet?
[08:10] <papertigers> someone in the community is working on it
[08:10] <RoyK> k
[08:10] <papertigers> I think they are close
[08:19] <koolhead11> hi all
[10:34] <smb> jamespage, I wonder whether in order to pxe boot VMs I have to have either one VM or the hosting server setup as provider. Or whether there is a magic way to change the libvirt bridges into transparent...
[10:34] <smb> jamespage, How do you do in the testlab?
[10:35] <jamespage> smb: in the lab the libvirt managed dnsmasq provides the TFTP in addition to DHCP
[10:36] <smb> jamespage, Like that <orchestra server> ---> <vm server> --> <vm pxeboot>?
[10:36] <jamespage> smb: orchestra does not manage any VM's in the lab
[10:37] <jamespage> (i think - well at least not any I know about)
[10:37] <smb> Ah
[10:37] <jamespage> jibel might be able to help - I know he's being looking at this
[10:37] <smb> Thought it would be convenient to not only provision physical machines but also vms by the same server
[10:39] <dax_roc> Should work no problem from pxe point of view, I'm doing it here with proxmox (vm host) and in virtual box guests ( testing )
[10:39] <dax_roc> have to say the kickstart files run smooth too
[10:39] <smb> The trick might be to tell the dnsmasq for the virtnet to have server-next and a filename
[10:40] <dax_roc> option 066, 067 need to be set on the dhcp
[13:02] <EMKO> I bet if I spit it will freeze before it hits the ground here
[13:05] <EMKO> I think it hit -50 windchill
[13:07] <xranby> EMKO: running overclocking experiments in the server hall?
[13:07] <xranby> what do you use for cooling?
[13:07] <EMKO> Lol no its just out side weather
[13:08] <xranby> hmm.. try file a bugreport, but i am not sure we can fix it
[13:09] <EMKO> I was talking in a different channel and I typed here by accident sorry
[13:09] <xranby> heh ok :)
[13:13] <eutheria> which package has the sambaSamAccount schema in it?
[13:16] <cwillu_at_work> EMKO, you must live near me
[13:16] <cwillu_at_work> -47.5°C w/ windchill at the moment
[13:18] <EMKO> Lol its crazy
[13:18] <cwillu_at_work> we had +5 just last week too, so this really caught me off guard
[13:18] <EMKO> U in Calgary?
[13:18] <cwillu_at_work> saskatoon
[13:18] <EMKO> Oh
[13:18] <cwillu_at_work> close enough :p
[13:19] <EMKO> Yea it was weird hot winter then in a few days hell
[13:23] <smb> jamespage, rsyslogd: Could not open dynamic file '/var/log/orchestra/rsyslog/2012/01/18//messages'... anything beyond ryslog  seems not to exist... (running on oneiric) Does not seem to be so sensible not to create the path. Or do I miss something?
[13:27] <jamespage> smb: I think that is a know bug - you can fix the perms on that directory to sort that out
[13:29] <smb> jamespage, sigh, known to be broken ... I need to remeber that for kernel bugs... :-P
[13:43] <adam_g> jamespage: ive been looping jenkins jobs for the last 14 hours or so. openstack deploy -> test/setup -> teardown -> deploy again with pretty good results. seems we've isolated all deployment failures to errors that can happen during the installer
[13:44] <cwillu_at_work> what do you suppose an rsync exit code of 255 means?
[13:44] <cwillu_at_work> it's not in the man page
[13:44] <zul> morning
[13:45] <cwillu_at_work> oh, I bet it's from the command I'm providing to use as the tunnel, being passed through
[13:47] <jamespage> adam_g, nice one
[13:53] <DREDNOFEAR> hey all i am having trouble getting my dns server recognized, i have disabled the firewall, and comcast tech can't ping me on port 53, any ideas as too what is happening?
[13:57] <cwillu_at_work> DREDNOFEAR, and you can access the port locally?
[13:58] <DREDNOFEAR> yeah i can listen on 53
[13:58] <cwillu_at_work> not what I asked
[13:58] <DREDNOFEAR> what do you mean
[13:58] <cwillu_at_work> with the dns server listening, can you access the dns server locally over port 53 from the machine?
[13:59] <DREDNOFEAR> no
[13:59] <cwillu_at_work> then it's probably a configuration error
[14:00] <cwillu_at_work> i.e., for whatever reason, the dns daemon is not in fact running, or is not listening on the right network interfaces, or ports, or whatever
[14:00] <DREDNOFEAR> any files i should look at, or is it the cable modem.
[14:01] <DREDNOFEAR> comcast couldn't telnet in on 53 to the computer
[14:01] <jasef> DREDNOFEAR: If you can't access it locally, then it's not the modem.
[14:02] <DREDNOFEAR> what is a good command to check on wether the port is up locally?
[14:02] <DREDNOFEAR> i may not be doing the diagnostic correctly
[14:03] <jasef> DREDNOFEAR: Type 'nslookup www.google.com localhost'
[14:03] <DREDNOFEAR> and tx for the help
[14:05] <jasef> DREDNOFEAR: What was the ouptut of the command I gave you?
[14:06] <DREDNOFEAR> hold on comcast tech on phone
[14:06] <cwillu_at_work> poor tech
[14:06] <DREDNOFEAR> ha
[14:06] <jasef> Ugh, ISP techs never help
[14:07] <cwillu_at_work> with the user's server's configuration errors?  of course not
[14:07] <jasef> Not just that :P They never help with anything, tbh.
[14:07] <cwillu_at_work> you don't have support-fu
[14:08] <jasef> Support-fu? O-o
[14:08] <cwillu_at_work> the trick is to understand the reasoning behind the scripts that the first two levels of support are for, so that you can help the operator through them as quickly as possible
[14:08] <DREDNOFEAR> no help so far
[14:08] <cwillu_at_work> this does not mean explaining to them why the answer to their question doesn't matter
[14:08] <cwillu_at_work> (that would be "not having support-fu")
[14:08] <DREDNOFEAR> he's trying to telnet on port 53
[14:09] <jasef> Ah, I see.
[14:09] <cwillu_at_work> DREDNOFEAR, do you understand the implications of the test we had you do?
[14:09] <DREDNOFEAR> yes
[14:09] <jasef> I just go on forums when I need any help with my ISP, their forum staff is great.
[14:09] <cwillu_at_work> (there's no sense spending their time when we don't know that it's working even on the local machine)
[14:09] <cwillu_at_work> DREDNOFEAR, have you done the nslookup test yet?
[14:09] <cwillu_at_work> and what was the output?
[14:10] <cwillu_at_work> also, I'm not sure telnet is actually relevant, as dns can operate entirely over udp
[14:11] <jasef> That's why I suggested nslookup, actually.
[14:11] <DREDNOFEAR> server locahost Address 127.0.0.1#53
[14:12] <jasef> Uhh, is that the only output?
[14:12] <DREDNOFEAR> the tech said that he got screen  but not a prompt on the login
[14:12] <DREDNOFEAR> non autoritative answer:
[14:13] <DREDNOFEAR> www.google.com canonical name = www.1.google.com.
[14:13] <jasef> A prompt on the login... to a DNS server...?
[14:13] <DREDNOFEAR> to the root server
[14:14] <DREDNOFEAR> Name: www.1.google.com
[14:14] <jasef> Sounds like the DNS is working to me then.
[14:14] <DREDNOFEAR> Address:74.125.113.105
[14:15] <jasef> Would you mind giving me the IP address so I can test how it works from outside your network? If you don't want to post it in the channel, you could also PM it to me.
[14:16] <zul> lynxman: seen mdeslaur's comment about swift?
[14:17] <lynxman> zul: hmm lemme check
[14:22] <lynxman> zul: hah, changelog :)
[14:22] <lynxman> zul: will fix asap
[14:29] <zul> lynxman: i thought it was a new meme
[14:32] <lynxman> zul: I couldn't attach your picture so... :D
[14:33] <lynxman> zul: but that's what I normally do for Orchestra since Andres always packages it, just followed the same
[14:33] <lynxman> zul: will do as mdeslaur suggests from now on
[14:34] <zul> k
[14:38] <Bogdaniel> i'm having a problem with iptables when i restart the computer the save is not restored ( added the command for restore in rc.local) can someone help me ?
[14:54] <adam_g> roaksoax: will a preseed'd late/early command that just exits 1 halt an installation?
[15:03] <smb> jamespage, FWIW I think I found now a good way for me to have the VMs and physical machines be supplied by one orchestra server: don't use the virtual networks provided by libvirt. :)
[15:03] <roaksoax> adam_g: it shouldn't
[15:04] <roaksoax> adam_g: well, it will display a message that showed that something failed, but if you confirm reading the message
[15:04] <roaksoax> it will resume
[15:04] <smb> hallyn, Oh, you are around now. Wanted to bother you about the nfs4 thingy and now what bugbot said last
[15:04] <roaksoax> adam_g: so yeah, I guess that if by "Showing an error message that requires user attention" means halting the installtion, then it would
[15:05] <jamespage> smb: just bridge the VM's to the physical nice or something?
[15:05] <jamespage> nice -> nic
[15:06] <smb> jamespage, Right, define your own bridge outside as transparent one
[15:06] <jamespage> adam_g, what was the solution for the archive consistency errors?
[15:10] <apw> hallyn, i see a bug about /proc/binfmt causing issues to the LXC host from inside a container, bug #917660, is that something that you own ?
[15:12] <apw> hallyn, and there are test kernels out on that bug with LXC and /dev/ttyN
[15:12] <smb> apw, Funnily bugbot just announced it here...
[15:12] <smb> apw, Though hallyn seems to be in a hole ;-P
[15:12] <smb> or needs more coffee first
[15:14] <adam_g> jamespage: in the charms, something like: apt-get update || (rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* && rm -rf /var/cache/apt/* && sleep 5 && apt-get update)
[15:14]  * apw boggles at the sleep 5
[15:15] <adam_g> jamespage: can't realy do that in the installer, im trying to hack a preseed that will use lvm snapshotting instead of doing a full install
[15:15] <jamespage> adam_g, that would be really great to get working
[15:16] <Bogdaniel> anyone here know's how to setup openvpn ?
[15:16] <adam_g> jamespage: working on it now, hoping to have something that works.... and then figure out a good way to get it to break out of the snapshot/restore loop an do a full install when we need it.
[15:17] <adam_g> apw: 5 secs seems to be long enough to let the archive servers settle down and sync back up
[15:33] <DREDNOFEAR> thanks jasef
[15:47] <mdeslaur> lynxman: one more small change, please remove the [Marc Cluet] line from the changelog
[15:47] <bobweaver> hello there thanks for taking the time to read this. I am very new to the server world. I have a couple of questions 1) how do I make my server public  ?   2) what is the  virtualhost option  when installing server ? 3) how in the world do I use /etc/hosts and apache2 ? thanks again
[15:47] <mdeslaur> lynxman: ping me once you've done it, and I'll upload it
[15:48] <lynxman> mdeslaur: it's done :)
[15:48] <lynxman> mdeslaur: eer okay last change
[15:48] <lynxman> mdeslaur: 1 sec
[15:49] <lynxman> mdeslaur: now it's done
[15:50] <mdeslaur> lynxman: thanks
[15:51] <lynxman> mdeslaur: thank you for your review
[15:51] <mdeslaur> lynxman: np
[15:53] <ikonia> bobweaver: didn't we just cover this in #ubuntu ?
[15:54] <bobweaver> kinda ikonia I am just trying to learn
[15:54] <ikonia> ok - so what part is not clear now ?
[15:55] <bobweaver> well I do not understand how I get the server to the public
[15:55] <bobweaver> ikonia:  thanks for the help
[15:56] <ikonia> bobweaver: ok - you need your server to be visible on a public IP address
[15:56] <ikonia> bobweaver: currently you are using a private IP range that is private to your network, so people on the internet can't see it
[15:56] <ikonia> bobweaver: do you understand that at this point ?
[15:56] <bobweaver> yes
[15:56] <ikonia> great, so the question is how do you get it on the internet
[15:57] <ikonia> either a.) get your ISP to assign you a public address for it
[15:57] <ikonia> b.) use the technology within a lot of home routers do to "port forwarding"
[15:57] <ikonia> that port forwards your ISP's public IP to the private IP on your machine for specific ports
[15:58] <ikonia> that would be the most common method
[15:59] <apw> bobweaver, and remember to firewall your machine as it will now be exposed
[15:59] <apw> and keep it up to date regularly, and ... be scared
[15:59] <bobweaver> thanks ikonia and apw  apw I have a ipcop box
[15:59] <ikonia> well not with port forwarding if only certain ports are forwarded
[15:59] <ikonia> be aware though a lot of ISP's will block certain ports, eg: 25 so you won't be able to run services such as mail
[15:59] <ikonia> or port 80
[16:00] <apw> ikonia, i always assume its going to do the wrong thing or i am going to open more than i intended
[16:00] <ikonia> a lot of ISP's don't like non-comercial services being used for comercial services such as web / mail so block it at the network level
[16:00] <bobweaver> ikonia: I see
[16:00] <ikonia> bobweaver: either way, your ISP should be able to a.) tell you your limitations b.) help you configure the router to do this
[16:01] <bobweaver> what about when installing what is the Virtualserver when it asks what I would like to install what is this?
[16:01] <apw> cirtainly my home ADSL has no blocks, but my contract with the ISP says i won't run "services available to all of the internet"
[16:02] <bobweaver> like where it asks if I want to install lamp open ssh mail server virtualserver ect ?
[16:02] <bobweaver> what is virtual server ?
[16:03] <SpamapS> apw: does advertising your availability for secret missions in your tiny car count as providing services to the internet, danger mouse?
[16:04] <ikonia> bobweaver: you don't need virtual server
[16:04] <bobweaver> lol
[16:04] <ikonia> bobweaver: it's for virtualization
[16:05] <bobweaver> like qermu  ?
[16:05] <bobweaver> qemu *
[16:05] <ikonia> that sort of thing yes
[16:05] <bobweaver> cool
[16:07] <bobweaver> this is what I am usiong the server for. I want to be able to gather infromation  about charitys like how many backlinks they have and seo stuff  I want to pass the values of X <-- backlinks    from sql table  to tell them what they could do to get more seo stuff ect
[16:07] <bobweaver> only for charitys
[16:07] <ikonia> ok
[16:09] <apw> SpamapS, :)  maybe
[16:09] <hallyn> Daviey: if anyone is looking for me, i'm trying to recover from a bad update.  boot from livecd takes about 15 mins so i should be able to check for msgs every 20 mins or so :)
[16:09] <bobweaver> I deal with alot local charity stuff amvets homeless selters ect  alot of them are losing there funding so I thought that If they have no site then I could host for them  if they have site that is all messy thhen I fix and facelift  also would like to post how much the owner is making and what is the value
[16:10] <ikonia> bobweaver: hosting a site on a home dsl line is not a good idea
[16:11] <mdeslaur> zul: swift has Vcs-Bzr: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-dev/essex/swift in the control file, but that repo doesn't seem to exist
[16:11] <mdeslaur> zul: where does your team put that now?
[16:11] <bobweaver> ikonia:  I work at a hosting place I could use there network  but.. I am not a networking guy more of a php asp sql web dev
[16:11] <ikonia> bobweaver: off you go then, good luck
[16:12] <zul> mdeslaur: ubuntu-server-dev is the right place i need to fix that
[16:12] <bobweaver> ikonia:  so I have to configure server right 1st before I can use it
[16:12] <mdeslaur> zul: where? /me can't find the exact repo
[16:12] <zul> mdeslaur: ill fix that today ill take care of it today
[16:12] <mdeslaur> zul: here? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-dev/swift/essex
[16:12] <zul> yeah
[16:12] <mdeslaur> zul: I'll change it now
[16:12] <zul> mdeslaur: k
[16:13] <bobweaver> ikonia:  looks Like I am off to a wonderfull world of  learning about server configuration  exsample how apach works is lttPd better ect
[16:13] <ikonia> bobweaver: you're not using your server at home, you said you'd use the one in your hosting place, that should be configured already
[16:13] <bobweaver> ikonia:  no I would bring the box in and use on my "own time "
[16:14] <ikonia> bobweaver: ok, so the private networking issue goes away, as you'd be staight on the net in the hosting center
[16:15] <bobweaver> yep it is about learning  how to configure it for a there network also how to add more then one site ect BUt before all that I have to test test test at home
[16:16] <bobweaver> local then to public I thought was a good idea ? but I am new to this
[16:17] <ikonia> there is no need to make it public
[16:17] <ikonia> you are just testing it, so keep it private,
[16:18] <ikonia> that way you can pick up the box, take it to the hosting place, change the IP and you are done/working
[16:18] <bobweaver> sweet that is what  I wanted to hear
[16:18] <bobweaver> is it hard to chang the ip ? I also have to option of staic
[16:19] <ikonia> if you are going to host in the DC you'll get a static IP
[16:20] <ikonia> it should be a 10 second job to change the IP
[16:20] <bobweaver> at work we are are own isp/phone company. ikonia thanks bro. what about apache2 and having multi sites running on this thing ? is that possible ?
[16:22] <ikonia> bobweaver: totally possible, just need valid DNS entries (your hosting guys can do that for you) and then use "name based hosts" in apachge,
[16:22] <bobweaver> the book that I have is kinda old (red hat)  it says to change the /ect/hosts file and add the site and ip or the 127.0.0.1   and to add stuff to /etc/apache2/confg       but there is no such file
[16:22] <bobweaver> add the sites name ..
[16:23] <bobweaver> then after all of that I read that it is beeter to work out of ~ and not /var/www
[16:23] <bobweaver> so I have to point apache config to documentroot = ~/somedir    ?
[16:24] <bobweaver> instead of /var/www
[16:26] <bobweaver> then I also read that it is "best" to have not only your ~ dir in a differnt partition but also apache should also be on a different partition I have no clue how to do this    I guess that I make room (gparted) then make new partition then then install or mv apach files to it then set up rc to mount that partition ?
[16:26] <bobweaver> on boot
[16:28] <Daviey> hallyn: happy days :)
[16:36] <sconklin> I need some advice on rebuilding a RAID1 - the Intel BIOS (Intel matrix Storage Manager) shows it as "Repair" and needing to be fixed from the OS, and it all looks OK from dmraid, but I'm not sure I'm looking in the right places
[16:37] <sconklin> running precise, fwiw
[16:40] <ikonia> bobweaver: don't follow a redhat book for uubntu
[16:40] <ikonia> bobweaver: maybe worth speaking to the guys at your hosting company, they may give you a bit of friendly help
[16:40] <ikonia> bobweaver: also https://help.ubuntu.com - good basic introduction
[16:51] <SpamapS> sconklin: so this is a fakeraid ?
[16:52]  * SpamapS has never been able to work with those things. :-/
[16:52] <sconklin> SpamapS: yes
[16:52] <sconklin> it's apparently running fine in degraded mode, and I can't figure out how to resync it
[16:54] <sconklin> I found the command to force repair of one of the volumes, but haven't found a way to tell which of the two is the 'good' one
[16:54] <_ruben> fakeraid .. yuck
[16:57] <sconklin> I ~think~ I may have also found something that causes a failure to boot if you're using fakeraid and upgrade from Lucid, but I want to get this problem solved before I look at the other more deeply
[16:59] <jamespage> zul, Daviey: can we do nested KVM in precise?
[16:59] <zul> jamespage: not sure...check with hallyn
[16:59] <jamespage> hallyn: ^^
[17:02] <Daviey> jamespage: yes.
[17:02] <Daviey> jamespage: amd64 has been a yes for longer, but intel is new in precise aiui.
[17:06] <sconklin> SpamapS: the right answer is to nuke the server and rebuild it with software raid. Not the answer I wanted, but fakeraid looks pretty screwed up
[17:08] <RoyK> if it's fakeraid, then just don't use it
[17:08] <RoyK> turn OFF that thing and use software raid instead
[17:08] <RoyK> or get a hardware raid controller if you really need "hardware" raid
[17:18] <SpamapS> sconklin: have only dealt with it once, and I took that exact path... dusted off.. nuked from orbit.. it was the only way to be sure.
[17:18] <cwillu_at_work> SpamapS, run the drives through an industrial shredder?
[17:20] <SpamapS> I think we'll just let Triumph the insult comic dog poop on them
[17:38] <sconklin> SpamapS: actually, it turned out to be pretty trivially easy to turn it into a non-raid system. I removed the volumes from the RAID in bios, (which said it would destroy the data but didn't), then pointed grub at /dev/sda1, and it's all good on a single drive. Running fsck now, but I think that's the easy way to get off of fakeraid
[17:39] <sconklin> I did actually poke around from initramfs to make sure sda was the one I wanted
[17:43] <SpamapS> sconklin: but to convert to md, you'd need md superblocks
[17:43] <sconklin> SpamapS: I think I'm just going to leave it non-raid, and rsync the stuff I care about to the other drive.
[17:43] <sconklin> Raid docs for Ubuntu are pretty bad and scare me
[17:44] <SpamapS> that makes me sad
[17:44] <sconklin> "Note: Be aware of the fragile state of RAID support in Ubuntu and what it takes to get a reliable raid setup"
[17:44] <sconklin> really?
[17:45] <sconklin> and in the same document:
[17:45] <sconklin> "The RAID software included with current versions of Linux (and Ubuntu) is based on the 'mdadm' driver and works very well."
[17:45] <sconklin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[17:55] <hallyn> jamespage: not that i know of, unless yo'ure on amd
[17:56] <hallyn> i'd be delighted to be proven wrong
[17:56] <hallyn> what the heck lemme try
[17:56] <roaksoax> bjf: ping
[17:57] <bjf> roaksoax: what can i do for you ?
[17:57] <roaksoax> bjf: howdy. Just wondering whether you were using a mini ISO or an alternate, or server ISO when you saw the koan errors?
[17:59] <bjf> roaksoax: you asking which one i installed and am running koan on ?
[17:59] <smoser> hallyn, what is the escsape for lxc console again ?
[17:59] <roaksoax> bjf: nope, sorry, the ISO imported into cobbler?
[18:00] <roaksoax> bjf: nope, sorry, the ISO imported into cobbler, is it a mini, alternate, or a server ISO?
[18:00] <hallyn> smoser: 'ctrl-a q'
[18:00] <smoser> it doesn't seem to be working in one of my windows
[18:00] <hallyn> smoser: i might have to give the 'no-clear-screen' option to getty so you can see that msg on login :)
[18:00] <smoser> probably ran lxc-start without some flag
[18:00] <hallyn> it doesn't work in the lxc-start one
[18:00] <bjf> roaksoax: it's whatever cobbler imported as part of the install
[18:01] <smoser> so what do i do on the lxc-start one?
[18:01] <roaksoax> bjf: a mini then. Cool thanks!
[18:01] <hallyn> smoser: nothing
[18:01] <smoser> suck
[18:02] <hallyn> give the -d flag when starting it, is all i think you can do
[18:02] <hallyn> agreed
[18:04] <hallyn> jamespage: i'm trying with 'kvm_intel' loaded with nested=1.  lessee how it goes
[18:07] <smoser> hallyn, thats not the default?
[18:08] <hallyn> smoser: seems no
[18:09] <hallyn> going by linux-2.6/Documentation/virtual/kvm/nested-vmx
[18:11] <hallyn> (obviously, if it works, i'll make the default in the shipped upstart job)
[18:11] <hallyn> jamespage: they *claim* if you just do 'modprobe kvm_intel nested=1" and add '-cpu host' to the qemu args, it should work
[18:12] <jamespage> hallyn,nice
[18:12] <jamespage> thanks for taking a look BTW
[18:12] <hallyn> np, i've been hoping for this for years
[18:20] <smoser> hallyn, are you going to do performance metrics on nested versus non-nested?
[18:20] <smoser> that'd be neat
[18:20] <hallyn> suppose i'll have to
[18:20] <hallyn> i assume you mean nesting enabled and not, but only the first layer?
[18:21] <hallyn> i don't intend to do measurement of a nested one unless i suddenly have a glut of time...
[18:21] <hallyn> anywya let's first see if this even works :)
[18:21] <hallyn> i'm still limping on half a cylinder, x hates me
[18:28] <smoser> hallyn, well... i guess you should check the cost of nested enabled on the first layer
[18:28] <smoser> if you're going to enable it.
[18:28] <hallyn> right
[18:28] <smoser> but i was hoping that you'd be able to show the benefit of "nested" in the second layer
[18:28] <smoser> i've just always been curious
[18:28] <smoser> and i was curious in general as to the outcome of your testing
[18:29] <smoser> so this would hvae been another interesting data point
[18:29] <zul> smb: xen works with libvirt-bin with me so far (had to patch it)
[18:29] <hallyn> smoser: i'll do a simple kernbench in there
[18:29] <hallyn> and compare to first layer
[18:29] <smoser> and also to non-nested support second layer.
[18:30] <smoser> but yea
[18:30] <smoser> anyway
[18:30] <smoser> i look forward to reading
[18:39] <patrickmw> jamespage, any objection to me changing the "problem checking" jobs to run hourly or daily, vs URL checker?
[18:55] <sconklin> roaksoax: you here for a cobbler note/question?
[18:55] <smoser> sconklin, if he's not around i might be able to help.
[18:56] <sconklin> I'm curious - cobbler chec says this, which is fine:
[18:56] <sconklin> some network boot-loaders are missing from /var/lib/cobbler/loaders, you may run 'cobbler get-loaders' to download them, or, if you only want to handle x86/x86_64 netbooting, you may ensure that you have installed a *recent* version of the syslinux package installed and can ignore this message entirely.  Files in this directory, should you want to support all architectures, should include pxelinux.0, menu.c32, elilo.efi, and yaboot
[18:56] <sconklin> but when you run cobbler get-loaders, they are fetched from here:
[18:56] <sconklin>  http://dgoodwin.fedorapeople.org/loaders
[18:57] <roaksoax> sconklin: here
[18:57] <sconklin> which seems like we're making some ciritcal bit of infrastructure dependent on an outside entity
[18:57] <roaksoax> sconklin: well that's really fedora specific, but given that we have syslinux we should not really need that
[18:58] <sconklin> roaksoax: then would it be reasonable to change the cobbler check message to indicate that?
[18:59] <roaksoax> sconklin: i guess it would. this cycle I'll be doing more cobbler cleanup. Coiuld you please file a bug and assign it to me?
[18:59] <sconklin> ok
[18:59] <roaksoax> sconklin: thank you!
[19:00]  * roaksoax bbl, off to lunch
[19:09] <jamespage> patrickmw, none at all
[19:10] <patrickmw> jamespage, I set them to run once a day.  Feel free to update the cron args if needed
[19:15] <adam_g> roaksoax: any debugging tips... ive got a cobbler preseed, and one of the $SNIPPET() sections isn't being rendered, its showing up in the processed kickstart while the others are being rendered correctly. cant find any errors anywhere.
[19:22] <smoser> adam_g, how are you doing this snapshot stuff ?
[19:22] <smoser> early_command ?
[19:24] <adam_g> smoser: a late_command to do the initial snapshot, and partman early command to look for the pristine snapshot+restore+reboot
[19:24] <adam_g> smoser: trying to do it in snippets with some logic around whether or not to restore the snapshot or do a full install again, based on profile name
[19:25] <smoser> based on profile name
[19:29] <adam_g> smoser: yeah.. as in,  if  system1 is assigned to profile precise-lvm-install, it will do a full install and create snapshot. if its assigned to precise-lvm-restore, it will restore from snapshot+reboot
[19:29] <smoser> ah. yeah, that makes sense.
[19:29] <smoser> i was thinking you meant management class
[19:30] <smoser> which i thought owuld interfeer with juju
[19:30] <smoser> (just confused mysefl)
[19:32] <eagles0513875> ikonia: isolated the virt-manager issue to a bug in virt-manager bug 551432
[19:35] <zul> hallyn: ping can you have a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/808934/
[19:39] <adam_g> smoser: this is what ive got working for the restoration http://paste.ubuntu.com/808939/
[19:40] <adam_g> smoser: need to figure out how to get properly get dm-snapshot.ko  via udeb or some such
[19:40] <adam_g> uh. that is, how to get dm-snapshot.ko properly installed
[19:40] <smoser> i'd recommend the late_commadn base64 garbage to avoid shell quoting
[19:41] <smoser> but that doesn't seem so bad.
[19:41] <adam_g> smoser: where does the shell that gets encoded come from, in that case?
[19:42] <hallyn> zul: looking
[19:43] <smoser> adam_g, looking for something i did iearlier
[19:43] <hallyn> zul: in src/xen/xen_hypervisor.c,
[19:43] <hallyn> don't you want /usr/lib64/xen-default for one of them
[19:43] <hallyn> ?
[19:44] <hallyn> if not, you can get rid of the whole ugly ' ? : ' bit
[19:45] <Darkwing> SpamapS: You going to be at Ubucon on friday?
[19:46] <smoser> adam_g, http://paste.ubuntu.com/808943/ (copied from http://pad.daviey.com/smoser-cobbler-late-command)
[19:46] <SpamapS> Darkwing: yeah I'll be around. 1:30 - 4:30 we are holding a juju Charm School.. you should stop by and write a charm. :)
[19:46] <smoser> adam_g, that doens't really solve any problems for you, but maybe makes things easier for writing.
[19:46] <zul> hallyn: both x86_64 and i386 use both the same qemu-dm for xen
[19:46] <smoser> in that you can have a snippit that just says "run the stuff in this file early"
[19:47] <Darkwing> SpamapS: I'll stop by. I'm working SCALE staff so, I'll be all over the place.
[19:47] <hallyn> zul: so you can get rid of the "STREQ(hostmachine, "x86_64") ?
[19:47] <adam_g> smoser: it might end up being a better idea when i move on to reinjecting juju's metadata
[19:47] <zul> hallyn: gah...i should but the patch works as well :)
[19:48] <hallyn> all right, good enough :)
[19:48] <smoser> hm.. yeah, th ere-injecting that is goin got be not so fun.
[19:48] <zul> hallyn: thanks
[19:48] <Darkwing> SpamapS: I might stand in as I need to learn more about juju
[19:49] <Darkwing> speaking of...
[19:49] <Darkwing> jcastro: ping
[19:49] <adam_g> smoser: im thinking the commands that are run in late_command could be run in partman_early_command as well, since that ks_meta stuff will ideally be in cobbler at that point too
[19:50] <smoser> adam_g, right.
[19:50] <smoser> you'll just have to kind of cheat "in-target"
[19:50] <smoser> as they use that (i think)
[19:50] <smoser> you're going to have to set up the mount pristine mount point and then run hijack in-target i think.
[20:23] <roaksoax> sconklin: ping
[20:24] <sconklin> roaksoax: o/
[20:24] <roaksoax> sconklin: where you trying to import an ISO when you found bug #918357 ? Cause I can't seem to reproduce it
[20:25] <roaksoax> sconklin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/808992/
[20:25] <sconklin> roaksoax: I just entered the command as shown with no parameters
[20:26] <roaksoax> sconklin: uhm can't reproduce it as it doesn't fail in my case
[20:26] <roaksoax> as per the pastebin
[20:27] <sconklin> trying again
[20:27] <sconklin> still fails
[20:28] <roaksoax> sconklin: ok, I'll further investage. Thanks!
[20:28] <sconklin> I haven't rebooted or logged out since I installed cobbler, does cobbler require environment setup?
[20:29] <roaksoax> sconklin: no it doesn't. But will try to reproduce on a fresh install without rebooting/restarting the service.
[20:29] <sconklin> ok
[21:25] <roaksoax> bjf: ping
[21:25] <bjf> roaksoax: yo!
[21:25] <roaksoax> bjf: cobbler/virtinst arefixed now! just uploaded virtinst so just wait for the update and should be working like a charm
[21:26] <roaksoax> s/wait for the update/wait for the build
[21:26] <bjf> roaksoax: very nice! thanks!
[21:26] <roaksoax> :)
[21:26] <roaksoax> bjf: welcome, if you find any other issue feel free to ping me
[21:26] <bjf> roaksoax: will do
[21:28] <Lcawte> lewiscawte@lcserv:~$ ssh lcawte@translatewiki.net
[21:28] <Lcawte> Segmentation fault
[21:28] <Lcawte>  
[21:28] <Lcawte> Whats up with that?
[21:29]  * roaksoax will be back later
[21:30] <mgw> any ideas what's wrong with this installer late_command:
[21:30] <mgw> d-i preseed/late_command string chage -d 0 ubuntu
[21:46] <hallyn> jamespage: the double buffering of network is killing me on net instll, and I ran out of disk space the first time near the end :)  but so far no correctness issues on doing net install inside a nested kvm vm
[21:47] <hallyn> (it's my own fault for doing -net user, fwiw)
[21:48] <stgraber> hallyn: nested kvm?? does that stuff actually work now?
[21:50] <hallyn> stgraber: seems to be!
[21:50] <hallyn> I'm still testing.
[22:28] <hallyn> smoser: fwiw i'm hoping to do lxc fixes tomorrow (and friday)
[22:30] <undecim> I have 3x 1TB drives and < 1TB of data that I'd like to preserve (currently on a single drive).... Is there any way to setup a software raid in a RAID 5 configuration without erasing my data?
[22:33] <patdk-wk> undecim, sure, but raid5 won't preserve your data, very well
[22:33] <patdk-wk> you just setup raid5 with one dead drive
[22:34] <patdk-wk> move your data onto it, then replace the dead/empty drive with your other one
[22:37] <undecim> What do you mean raid5 won't preserve my data very well?
[22:38] <undecim> I mean... If less than two of the drives go out, I still have all my data, right?
[22:39] <undecim> Also, setting up the raid with a dead drive is painfully obvious now that you mention it, lol
[23:25] <sconklin> roaksoax: does the DHCP server installed as part of Orchestra only serve to the configured MAC addresses, or will it serve to anyone?