| AlanBell | morning all | 07:56 |
|---|---|---|
| popey | Morning | 07:56 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Morning all - I note that the cyanogen team have issued the 1st build of ICS for the Touchpad :-) Might be breaking my TP tonight then... | 08:01 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | AlanBell: Want me to collect you on the way this morning? | 08:02 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 08:06 |
| Linuxsapien | halloooo | 08:22 |
| Linuxsapien | windy windy bawbag | 08:22 |
| MooDoo | lol | 08:26 |
| christel | morning beauties | 08:26 |
| MooDoo | morning ma'am | 08:26 |
| daubers | Morning | 08:31 |
| * daubers has spinny pyramids on his screen :) | 08:31 | |
| AlanBell | TheOpenSourcerer: that would be great | 08:40 |
| christel | oh AlanBell, i want to chat you up about a proposal i have at some point, but we may need to beer so that you're more likely to say yes! <3 | 08:48 |
| MooDoo | christel: isn't he already married? ;) | 08:48 |
| christel | haha | 08:49 |
| christel | not that sort of proposal :P | 08:49 |
| christel | i wouldn't wish to anger mrsbell ;) | 08:49 |
| MooDoo | heee /<smartassmodeoff> | 08:50 |
| christel | :P | 08:50 |
| * AlanBell looks forward to being chatted up by christel | 08:56 | |
| AlanBell | and beer | 08:56 |
| christel | \o/ | 08:59 |
| daubers | When's the Easter holidays this year? | 09:03 |
| gord | not soon enough | 09:03 |
| daubers | gord: In need of chocolate bunnies already? | 09:04 |
| gord | i started seing easter eggs in shop january 1st (no joke) | 09:04 |
| MooDoo | gord: i bought my wife one from our local shop Dec 23rd :) | 09:05 |
| awilkins | I detest <insert shamelessly commercialised seasonal event here> | 09:07 |
| dwatkins | morning folks :) | 09:07 |
| MooDoo | morninh | 09:07 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Good morning peeps :) | 09:19 |
| MooDoo | morning | 09:19 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I'm on a train to London. Sadly going backwards, but I do have a table! | 09:19 |
| MooDoo | yay and wifi? | 09:21 |
| bigcalm_lappy | The train has wifi, but I'm using my phone instead | 09:22 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Tethered that is | 09:22 |
| bigcalm_lappy | 6 quid for 3 hours isn't bad, but I cba really | 09:22 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I even have a mains socket! | 09:22 |
| christel | 6 quid for 3 hours is pretty steep :P | 09:24 |
| bigcalm_lappy | christel: depends upon what you're charging for ;) | 09:24 |
| christel | haha | 09:25 |
| christel | well i presume it was for wifi :P | 09:25 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Ah, yes | 09:25 |
| * bigcalm_lappy remembers where he is | 09:26 | |
| christel | :P | 09:26 |
| dwatkins | Mobile broadband is good enough except just south of Edinburgh from what I've seen recently. | 09:27 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I could play minecraft, if I had the table space for a mouse | 09:28 |
| oimon | found a great way of making apple tea. apple juice + boiling water :D | 09:29 |
| daubers | Hmm.... fun bug with new laptop. When i remove the mains powerer, the powersaving on the wifi stops the wifi working | 09:32 |
| oimon | daubers: is that a software or hardware/firmware issue? | 09:33 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Humm, how do you exit w3m? | 09:36 |
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| === Seeker is now known as Seeker` | ||
| bigcalm_lappy | qy | 09:37 |
| daubers | oimon: Software I think | 09:39 |
| daubers | if I turn off power management with iwconfig it's fine | 09:42 |
| DJones | bigcalm_lappy: Get some lessons from MMolay on how to play with a touchpad | 09:42 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Heh | 09:42 |
| oimon | new rhythmbox appeared in this morning's 12.04 update | 09:42 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I've done it in the past, but it's just not the same | 09:42 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I gave 12.04 a go and it works well. Sadly, not well enough to be 100% reliable for my dev requirements. | 09:43 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Did I survive the tunnel? | 09:44 |
| bigcalm_lappy | !ping | 09:44 |
| lubotu3 | another contentless ping... sigh... | 09:44 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Just, phew | 09:44 |
| * BigRedS is installing 12.04 on his work PC | 09:46 | |
| BigRedS | is it less good than Oneiric? At home it seems better | 09:46 |
| * DJones wonders why piratebay hasn't gone black today :) | 09:46 | |
| BadgerUK | hello, in a traceback in terminal, how do i know what the error at the end of the traceback is refering to? is it the first line in the traceback or the last | 09:49 |
| gord | BadgerUK, do you mean backtrace? | 09:50 |
| j0nr | mornig folks. | 09:51 |
| gord | that would be the first line, the one with a 1 next to it | 09:51 |
| BadgerUK | gord: no i mean traceback | 09:51 |
| j0nr | I have someone who is an Ubuntu virgin and wanting to set up a home server. | 09:51 |
| BadgerUK | gord: it might be specifically from python | 09:51 |
| BarryK | to serve what? | 09:51 |
| BadgerUK | i dont know as im new to linux and its the only time ive seen a traceback | 09:51 |
| j0nr | I just had a question: Can I set up auto backup of folders on pcs connected to the network? | 09:52 |
| gord | sounds like a python thing | 09:52 |
| BadgerUK | gord: thnx | 09:52 |
| Myrtti | j0nr: dejadup does that if you set it up to do it | 09:52 |
| j0nr | Now I think usually, you would use software on the client, to push backups to the server, can it be pulled the other way? | 09:52 |
| j0nr | baring in mind the pcs might not be linux | 09:53 |
| Myrtti | I even got a prompt in Oneiric on my tablet to set dejadup backups | 09:53 |
| BarryK | @j0nr: So long as the servers have read access to the folders in question it shouldnt be a problem | 09:53 |
| Myrtti | oh, that way | 09:53 |
| j0nr | BarryK: That's what I thought, all the folders desired to be backed up would have to be 'shares' | 09:54 |
| j0nr | or somethign similar | 09:54 |
| j0nr | I'll tell him to do it the other way | 09:54 |
| BarryK | yeah pretty much, though depending on where you want to do it and what you want to back up you might bump into a few permission issues | 09:54 |
| BarryK | I'd just have the clients push their backups, that way you can make sure its when the client is idle | 09:55 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 09:56 |
| MooDoo | morning czajkowski | 09:57 |
| BarryK | morning | 09:57 |
| oimon | is imgur.com down for SOPA reasons? | 09:58 |
| dwatkins | oimon: looks like it's simply down | 09:59 |
| BarryK | down here too | 09:59 |
| dwatkins | I think they were considering a protest, though. | 09:59 |
| oimon | meh | 09:59 |
| j0nr | BarryK: Going to recommend use of samba shares. Mount server directories and use them to either work in or 'put stuff in' to be backed up. | 09:59 |
| j0nr | then of course backup the backup ;) | 10:00 |
| BarryK | I'd put the backups somewhere else if i were you but yeah sounds like a plan | 10:00 |
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| BarryK | if they're all windows machines have a seperate user acc run the scheduled backup and deny the normal user access to the backup location | 10:01 |
| BarryK | if that makes sense lol it is very early | 10:01 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! :D | 10:12 |
| MooDoo | mor JamesTait h w ar ou? | 10:12 |
| MooDoo | i'm blacking out my responces ;) | 10:12 |
| JamesTait | MooDoo: I caught that. ;) V ry w ll th ks. | 10:13 |
| MooDoo | lol | 10:13 |
| Myrtti | spkng witht vwls s s f yv hd trnng wth t rlr | 10:17 |
| Myrtti | n thr nws https://twitter.com/#!/Encarta95/status/159526112563695616 | 10:17 |
| bigcalm_lappy | 1st tunnel to kill my connection and now I'm at Watford Junction | 10:18 |
| j0nr | BarryK: Do you just mean don't give users access to the backup of the shared drives? | 10:19 |
| dwatkins | bigcalm_lappy: travelling North or South? | 10:23 |
| bigcalm_lappy | dwatkins: South | 10:24 |
| bigcalm_lappy | About to enter Euston station I hope | 10:24 |
| dwatkins | heh, say hello to the warm beer for me, bigcalm_lappy ;) | 10:24 |
| czajkowski | https://twitter.com/#!/johnoxton/status/159576110479319040 | 10:24 |
| bigcalm_lappy | \o/ | 10:26 |
| Laney | morning | 10:26 |
| BarryK | yeah I wouldn't but it depends on where the roll out is. You don't want someone wiping the backups by mistake | 10:26 |
| BarryK | but if it's for home use or something like that I wouldn't worry too much, it's a fair bit of extra effort compared to just creating some extra smb shares | 10:26 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Right, time to pack away! | 10:29 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Toodles for the day :) | 10:29 |
| czajkowski | enjoy the wet and rain | 10:35 |
| zleap | how do i search for things using unity, with gnome i can click on places and search, but this option seems hidden | 10:41 |
| zleap | oki can search for them but the files and folder utility does not tell me where these files are located on my system so i can copy more files in to that folder | 10:45 |
| DJones | Heh wikiepedia's "blackout" is so good, you just search for what you want, press escape as the page is loading and the blackout is cancelled :) | 10:48 |
| MooDoo | hehe | 10:48 |
| czajkowski | http://theoatmeal.com/sopa :) | 10:49 |
| sagaci | I actually wanted to search for something a few hours ago | 10:49 |
| Myrtti | DJones: or use en.m. | 10:49 |
| gord | quality of homework handed in tomorrow morning is going to be severely reduced | 10:50 |
| zleap | well there are other sources of information for homework | 10:51 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: i laughed when i watched that :D | 10:51 |
| zleap | gordon the other hand, if wikipedia was to go off line fully the quality of homework could be affected longer term | 10:51 |
| dwatkins | I wonder how many kids will google how to work around the wikipedia javascript this evening... | 10:53 |
| gord | rather serendipitous typo | 10:53 |
| zleap | lol | 10:54 |
| s-fox | Hello. | 10:54 |
| zleap | gord yeah see your point regarding the typo, | 10:55 |
| zleap | hello s-fox | 10:55 |
| s-fox | Hello zleap :) | 10:55 |
| zleap | :) | 10:55 |
| s-fox | How are you doing? | 10:56 |
| DJones | gord: The quality may be reduced, but the accuracy might be improved | 10:56 |
| zleap | ok so back to the ubuntu search tool, i can search for files but the tool does not actually tell me Where the files are which is i guess fine in most cases i want to know where these files are so i can create 1 foilder will all the downloaded .deb files in for example | 10:56 |
| zleap | folder | 10:57 |
| zleap | s-fox, i am good thanks | 10:58 |
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| MooDoo | howdy s-fox | 11:05 |
| gord | zleap, <super> - type search, use the search for files... app | 11:07 |
| * smittix taps MooDoo on the shoulder o/ | 11:14 | |
| MooDoo | not here smittix | 11:15 |
| MooDoo | ;) | 11:15 |
| MooDoo | hello :D | 11:16 |
| MooDoo | smittix: how are you? | 11:16 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 11:18 |
| smittix | MooDoo: Im great and you> | 11:22 |
| MooDoo | smittix: yeah pretty good, got man flu | 11:22 |
| smittix | :/ | 11:23 |
| MooDoo | smittix: i'll cope :D | 11:30 |
| oimon | i've had 2 bouts of it, lasting over 1 month :( | 11:31 |
| czajkowski | daubers: I have the house for you http://9gag.com/gag/1897593 | 11:50 |
| s-fox | :-) | 11:51 |
| MooDoo | what a wonderful house | 11:51 |
| gord | hobbettses | 11:52 |
| oimon | is that a gaping hole in the roof? | 11:54 |
| s-fox | It's to let the sunshine in ;) | 11:55 |
| oimon | can't be the uk then | 11:56 |
| oimon | sunshine in the uk is liquid | 11:56 |
| daubers | czajkowski: awesome :) | 12:01 |
| Myrtti | of course the joke is that it's not a joke | 12:05 |
| popey | a guy who used to work for canonical has an underground house | 12:06 |
| brobostigon | skype for android is huge, 16MB, that is abit big, for memory limited devices. | 12:07 |
| Myrtti | http://www.simondale.net/house/index.htm | 12:07 |
| czajkowski | popey: wow | 12:14 |
| gordonjcp | popey: I considered building an earthship up north | 12:14 |
| gordonjcp | http://earthship.com/ <- probably not as ornate as that | 12:15 |
| gordonjcp | and more dug into a hillside | 12:15 |
| Myrtti | pretty much impossible to do in Finland :-( | 12:17 |
| DJones | Did anybody notice a "nationwide failure" of VM Broadband? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16611686 | 12:46 |
| MooDoo | yeah it was down yesterday | 12:48 |
| DJones | I'm surprised they didn't blame it on SOPA | 12:49 |
| MooDoo | hehe | 12:50 |
| oimon | bbc are reporting that you can't get info off wikipedia | 12:51 |
| oimon | fail | 12:51 |
| MooDoo | just press esc as the page loads :) | 12:51 |
| oimon | or a million other ways..but that's the easiest :) | 12:51 |
| oimon | i had to look up chun li street fighter this morning | 12:52 |
| oimon | the bbc even featured a quote from orlowski from the register...even worse | 12:52 |
| Neoti_Laptop | hey all | 12:57 |
| Neoti_Laptop | does anybody have any details of the internet outtage on virgin media and peers like level3 ? | 12:57 |
| DJones | Neoti_Laptop: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16611686 Any use? | 12:58 |
| Neoti_Laptop | thanks DJones... | 13:00 |
| Neoti_Laptop | also have you heard of problems with level3 peering and linkz peering on the core network ... | 13:01 |
| DJones | I hadn't heard anything, only heard about the VM problem last night when I saw that article a few minutes ago | 13:01 |
| Neoti_Laptop | oh .... doh .... lolz..... yeah some peering providers have problems .... still .... big problems for me and voip network ... lol ... doh... | 13:02 |
| bigcalm | Good afternoon peeps :) | 13:04 |
| bigcalm | Is there an option to display whitespace types in NetBeans? Like Eclipse would be good | 13:04 |
| oimon | just been looking at yahoo's financial results to work out how they make money | 13:23 |
| oimon | it seems they still make a huge amount from search/advertising. who would use them over google i wonder (for search or advertising?) | 13:27 |
| directhex | generally, partner agreements | 13:40 |
| directhex | i.e. "hey $OEM, we pay you $3 to change the default search engine on every new PC" | 13:40 |
| ali1234 | the same people who use yahoo mail instead of gmail | 13:40 |
| oimon | = the same people who think wikipedia is actually unavailable today | 13:42 |
| jutnux | Hahhahaha | 13:43 |
| jutnux | en.m.wikipedia.org | 13:43 |
| jutnux | sorted | 13:43 |
| DJones | Just looking for something, I came across this ppa https://launchpad.net/~canonical-pse/+archive/guinness "A very irish set of packages, with a correctly spelt name!" | 13:49 |
| oimon | are they green? upside down? | 13:51 |
| DJones | Good question, I wondered that | 13:53 |
| DJones | czajkowski: Can you answer that question? ^^ | 13:53 |
| czajkowski | DJones: answer.... | 13:55 |
| * czajkowski peers at TREllis wtf are ye on over there! | 13:56 | |
| DJones | czajkowski: Wondering whether you knew what the difference was on the "guinness" ppa I mentioned above | 13:56 |
| czajkowski | DJones: no idea ask TREllis | 13:56 |
| czajkowski | UCD is a university | 13:56 |
| oimon | it's dangerous to update these kind of packages from a PPA that isn't official | 13:58 |
| oimon | (captain obvious) | 13:58 |
| TREllis | czajkowski: that's a set of packages I've backported (and fwdported) | 14:01 |
| TREllis | czajkowski: for a project | 14:01 |
| TREllis | DJones: your mileage may vary, may eat babies, you get to keep all the pieces etc | 14:02 |
| DJones | Heh | 14:02 |
| TREllis | DJones: Although, they work for me (tm). | 14:04 |
| oimon | on twitter, does preceding a @user with a dot mean the message is private? | 14:44 |
| gord | i wouldn't assume anything on twitter is private | 14:45 |
| MooDoo | not that i'm aware of, what you need is D for direct message iirc | 14:45 |
| oimon | hmm maybe it was an old functionality | 14:46 |
| simondbull | the more pressing issue i find is why didn't twitter take part in the anti-SOPA protest? | 14:47 |
| oimon | or why there wasn't a liberal campaign on twitter about it? | 14:47 |
| oimon | it's not as if twitter is making $$ | 14:48 |
| simondbull | oimon:good call :) | 14:48 |
| simondbull | oimon:money, what money?! | 14:48 |
| oimon | gord, it amazes me the stuff i read on people's twitter feeds, as if they've forgotten this isn't personal email inbox | 14:48 |
| oimon | twitter should try charging those with 1000 followers for a pro account. | 14:49 |
| oimon | if they want to monetize their current popularity with the trendies | 14:49 |
| Myrtti | simondbull: I'm not sure if money was the reason | 14:50 |
| Myrtti | I would hope they didn't blackout because they considered it to be more helpful if they'd keep the "channel open" for reporting other protests | 14:50 |
| popey | putting a dot in front of the @ makes the tweet public | 14:51 |
| oimon | popey: cheers | 14:51 |
| AlanBell | oimon: if a tweet starts with @name then it doesn't show on other people's feeds (thought they can find it easily enough) people put a dot in front so that the conversation is more public | 14:51 |
| popey | ^^ that | 14:51 |
| oimon | i get it now | 14:51 |
| * oimon doesn't communicate on twitter | 14:51 | |
| oimon | i use it like radio | 14:51 |
| simondbull | alanbell: i like the designs you did for the UbuntuTV | 14:55 |
| Pendulum | simondbull: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/sopa-twitter-will-not-join-wikipedia-reddit-in-blackout/2012/01/17/gIQAvDta5P_story.html?tid=pm_business_pop (has some of the reasoning why they won't take part) | 14:57 |
| AlanBell | well it was more a framework for other people to design on, but thanks simondbull | 14:57 |
| simondbull | pendulum: thanks :) | 14:58 |
| oimon | twitter is a business? | 14:58 |
| ahayzen | alanbell: Have Canonical starting talking to hardware manafacturers yet, or is that information not public? | 14:58 |
| Seeker` | Jabber \o/ | 14:59 |
| AlanBell | ahayzen: I don't work for canonical, but they were at CES where therer are lots of hardware manufacturers to talk to | 14:59 |
| Myrtti | Pendulum: did I get my assumptions right? | 14:59 |
| ahayzen | alanbell: Thanks...would love a Ubuntu TV :) | 14:59 |
| Myrtti | looks like I kinda did | 15:00 |
| Myrtti | in other news, I blacked out some pictures of Lamar Smith in Flickr | 15:00 |
| Myrtti | :-D | 15:00 |
| oimon | who he? | 15:02 |
| oimon | mmm flapjacks with ginger | 15:03 |
| ahayzen | oimon: mmm flapjacks | 15:04 |
| MattJ | JABBER \o/ | 15:04 |
| MattJ | Jabber flapjacks | 15:04 |
| ahayzen | gotta try this at some point :) ... http://ubuntu-uk.org/2010/11/10/5-minute-chocolate-cake-in-a-mug/ | 15:04 |
| simondbull | i wouldn't like to clean up my microwave after tht.... | 15:05 |
| jutnux | I tried it and failed | 15:06 |
| jutnux | it tasted disgusting | 15:06 |
| ahayzen | jutnux: lol | 15:06 |
| simondbull | jutnux: my mum would kill me if i left the microwave in that state.... | 15:06 |
| gord | http://s0.2mdn.net/2768331/PID_1883817_default.jpg <-- why would you choose that to advertise fibre internet? - what is it trying to say? | 15:10 |
| ahayzen | gord: confused... | 15:11 |
| oimon | what's the diffrence between seagate barracuda and barracuda XT? | 15:11 |
| oimon | cache, rpm , etc seem the same | 15:11 |
| ahayzen | oimon: u pay more for the XT? lol | 15:12 |
| oimon | £40 it seems | 15:12 |
| oimon | can't find any other diff | 15:12 |
| ahayzen | oimon: the XT series is SATA 3 (6Gb/s)... is the non XT SATA2? | 15:14 |
| oimon | http://www.ebuyer.com/319641-barracuda-2tb-sata-3-5in-7200rpm-64mb-6gb-s-in-st2000dm001 and http://www.ebuyer.com/176584-seagate-2tb-barracuda-xt-hard-drive-3-5-sata-iii-7200rpm-64mb-st32000641as | 15:14 |
| ahayzen | oimon: seems that they are the same... | 15:14 |
| ahayzen | Seagate website | 15:15 |
| ahayzen | Capacity 2TB–3TB (XT) 250GB–3TB (non-XT) | 15:15 |
| ahayzen | Annual Failure Rate 0.34% (XT) <1% (non XT) | 15:15 |
| ahayzen | oimon: they are the only differences I can see | 15:16 |
| oimon | longer warranty? | 15:17 |
| oimon | it's weird. | 15:18 |
| ahayzen | oimon: probably | 15:18 |
| oimon | also, ebuyer are much cheaper than insight for these drives | 15:18 |
| oimon | ebuyer prices are really fluctuating tho | 15:18 |
| oimon | dell told me they couldn't supply 2tb drives for my system since there is a 60 day lead time | 15:18 |
| BarryK | Short supply of hard drives all over place due to the floods in thai land | 15:19 |
| BarryK | *thailand | 15:20 |
| oimon | yeah | 15:22 |
| Seeker` | MattJ: you're getting slow in your old age :O | 15:23 |
| MattJ | Seeker`, afraid so :/ | 15:24 |
| Seeker` | :( | 15:24 |
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| gordonjcp | is there a way to install Ubuntu from a running Ubuntu? | 15:44 |
| gordonjcp | ie. same idea as when you boot from a CD and click the installer | 15:45 |
| oimon | why would you want to do that? | 15:56 |
| AlanBell | so you want to run ubiquity from an installed ubuntu and have it overwrite itself? | 15:56 |
| oimon | (still doesn't answer why...but) you can't unmount system partitions that you are using | 15:57 |
| gordonjcp | no, install on a drive to put into another machine | 15:58 |
| gordonjcp | ie. I have a running laptop with Ubuntu, and a drive in an external caddy which I want to install Ubuntu on to then put into a desktop | 15:58 |
| oimon | ah that's slightly different | 16:00 |
| AlanBell | hmm, in theory you can run ubiquity from a running desktop, but it just crashes for me right now | 16:01 |
| popey | i have done an install from inside an install | 16:01 |
| popey | using chroot | 16:01 |
| popey | and/or debootstrap | 16:02 |
| shauno | I was about to say, debootstrap used to rock for that | 16:02 |
| AlanBell | then install ubuntu-desktop and it should haul in all the stuff | 16:03 |
| AlanBell | if you want all the stuff that is | 16:03 |
| gordonjcp | yeah, this is for a desktop | 16:03 |
| oimon | couldn't you use usb-creator and write the iso to the /dev/sdb instead? | 16:03 |
| gordonjcp | doesn't that just give me a bootable install disk on my drive? | 16:04 |
| AlanBell | probably involves a bit of grub and maybe fstab tinkering to get it to boot | 16:04 |
| oimon | can't you use reconstructor to customize the live cd for persistence mode | 16:06 |
| oimon | http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/22145/how-to-create-your-own-customized-ubuntu-live-cd/ | 16:07 |
| oimon | this would allow persistence mode and custom apps, | 16:08 |
| gordonjcp | oimon: I don't want a livecd though | 16:08 |
| gordonjcp | I just want to install a fresh install of Ubuntu, from a machine that is already working, onto a drive for a machine that is flaky as all hell about booting from USB | 16:09 |
| gordonjcp | but it's too late now anyway because I'm heading home in 20 minutes and it's going to take longer than that anyway | 16:10 |
| oimon | i had that issue the other day with a dell. i used a CD | 16:10 |
| gordonjcp | can't use a CD | 16:11 |
| gordonjcp | no way to create a CD, not sure if the target machine has any sort of CD drive | 16:12 |
| AlanBell | gordonjcp: one way to do it would be use virtualbox and set the external disk up as a raw disk, and boot a vm from an iso | 16:16 |
| oimon | or PXE boot | 16:16 |
| gordonjcp | yeah, I might do that | 16:17 |
| oimon | of course the easiest answer is to replace the disk in another PC and move it back after install | 16:17 |
| oimon | but PXE booting is useful to learn | 16:18 |
| gordonjcp | oimon: well that's what I'm trying to do | 16:20 |
| oimon | why not boot from usb then? | 16:21 |
| gordonjcp | because I don't want to interrupt other stuff I've got running | 16:21 |
| gordonjcp | and it seems inelegant | 16:21 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lol - we didn't make many calls on our company voip service during december. Our bill was £1.83 :-D | 16:30 |
| oimon | i prob use my work phone once a week | 16:31 |
| oimon | and my mobile even less | 16:31 |
| christel | TheOpenSourcerer: that's a bit high, i think you should have words with AlanBell about his personal use of the company voip service.. | 16:32 |
| christel | :s | 16:32 |
| * czajkowski tickles christel | 16:35 | |
| AlanBell | this is a real phone bill http://www.met.police.uk/foi/pdfs/disclosure_2011/december/2011110000259.pdf | 16:36 |
| oimon | wow | 16:38 |
| oimon | that's our tax bill down the drain | 16:38 |
| czajkowski | why on gods green earth would you need to spend £18,401.65 | 16:40 |
| czajkowski | on a talking clock | 16:40 |
| gord | Great clock shortage of '09 | 16:40 |
| christel | jesus that is a lot of calls | 16:41 |
| AlanBell | so you can be busy on the phone for the last 5 minutes until your shift ends | 16:41 |
| oimon | AlanBell: only a devious person would do that | 16:41 |
| DJones | Why would you spend ~£100K on directory enquiries...isn't it quicker/cheaper to look them up on the BT website | 16:43 |
| AlanBell | well I can understand that one to be honest | 16:44 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: you're missing from surrey | 16:44 |
| oimon | really? you can implement your own directory enquiries for less | 16:44 |
| DJones | I know it says that a large number of staff aren't office based | 16:45 |
| czajkowski | oimon: if you can I'm sure BT would like to know | 16:45 |
| czajkowski | and everyone else would to be cheaper than using it | 16:45 |
| tugrik | I presume its onsite officers checking the exact time for reports / witness statements / etc ? | 16:45 |
| AlanBell | oimon: ok, so have 4 staff in a calling pool in the internal telephone system doing directory enquiries for the force and you just spent £100,000 | 16:45 |
| oimon | yep. | 16:46 |
| oimon | however they probably have a call centre performing similar services | 16:46 |
| tugrik | that's just the cost of the staff though, wouldn't access to the equivalent database cost more? | 16:47 |
| oimon | so no need to setup a new one. maybe employ only 2 extra staff. and train them to speak robot and cover the 1-2-3 calls too | 16:47 |
| oimon | you can buy disks from BT pretty cheap | 16:47 |
| tugrik | yah, but then you've got to set up the interface to them | 16:47 |
| tugrik | and you need more than four staff to cover illness and holiday leave, and shift patterns as it needs to be 24/7 | 16:48 |
| oimon | it appears they haven't looked into it though | 16:48 |
| tugrik | and I ***presume*** you need the authority of the source of the time to be verified in some way to prevent prosecution lawyers questions the timing of events in court, whereas I presume the speaking clock is verified? | 16:48 |
| tugrik | I wouldn't expect so - I would think it would cost quite a lot just to look at the possibility of looking at setting it up ;) | 16:49 |
| oimon | digital watches are quite good at telling the time accurately | 16:49 |
| oimon | maybe one guy rang 123 and left the phone off the hook for a year | 16:50 |
| tugrik | "quite good" isn't good enough in court, I'd guess. I'd check with a Met Police friend, but I always ask her about police matters ;) | 16:50 |
| oimon | half the work has been done by the FOI request | 16:51 |
| tugrik | be interesting if they can use that, or whether an investigation would require looking at the figures again | 16:52 |
| AlanBell | dunno if they use the speaking clock in interview rooms to get a timestamp on tape, that would kind of make sense | 16:58 |
| AlanBell | but if that was my data I would be correlating it against shift end times | 16:59 |
| oimon | i read that a 19year old girl posed as a boy during a 7 month relationship with 15 and 16year old girls....how? | 17:00 |
| oimon | it turns out they even knew her as a girl at the same time....weird. | 17:01 |
| gord | did you read this in the daily mail? | 17:01 |
| oimon | google news | 17:02 |
| oimon | even in the telegraph | 17:02 |
| oimon | if it happened on tv i wouldn't believe it | 17:03 |
| popey | https://twitter.com/#!/HantsPolice/status/159668981349888002 | 17:06 |
| popey | *sigh* | 17:06 |
| popey | click the link | 17:06 |
| oimon | isn't t.co down for SOPA? | 17:07 |
| popey | no | 17:08 |
| popey | http://www.hampshire.police.uk/Internet/news/releases/Police+release+CCTV+images+of+people+sought+in+connection+with+theft+in+Fleet.htm | 17:08 |
| oimon | server toobusy | 17:08 |
| === Guest39834 is now known as Lcawte | ||
| czajkowski | daubers: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/minister-considering-broadcasting-charge-whether-you-have-a-tv-or-not-536421.html | 18:00 |
| Myrtti | the law for that passed in Finland | 18:00 |
| Myrtti | there was much rejoicing | 18:00 |
| MartijnVdS | Same in .nl -- it's part of normal taxes | 18:04 |
| MartijnVdS | also, you can become a member of broadcasting orgs (they're associations, legally) | 18:05 |
| MartijnVdS | and number-of-members is a factor in the determination for who gets the most tax money | 18:05 |
| s-fox | Goodbye. | 18:07 |
| MartijnVdS | bye s- | 18:09 |
| shauno | a bit weak that bbc news 24 haven't mentioned the wikipedia blackout, but keep repeating their thing about a town in the middle of nowhere turning their lights off so they can watch the rain better | 19:30 |
| brobostigon | shauno: they did mention it, while i was having lunch, wikuipedia and sopa. | 19:31 |
| shauno | hm. I tuned in for the 6 o'clock news, and haven't heard anything yet | 19:32 |
| brobostigon | ok, but it has been mentioned and reported on, it was just after pmq's. | 19:32 |
| gordonjcp | BBC Radio Scotland mentioned it a couple of times | 19:33 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It was discussed several times on Today BBC R4 this morning. | 19:39 |
| === angela-android is now known as nothingspecial | ||
| brobostigon | crime spree in dulverton with lights off, hmm, interesting rumour. | 20:07 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/535/Crime+Wave.html | 20:10 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: it is a light off, in a town, in order to have no light contamination for star viewing. an experiment. | 20:11 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: ah, sounds cool | 20:11 |
| MartijnVdS | we need that here :( | 20:11 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: havew a LOOK ON BBC2. | 20:11 |
| * MartijnVdS switches channels | 20:11 | |
| brobostigon | sorry. | 20:11 |
| MartijnVdS | BBC HD too \o/ | 20:12 |
| brobostigon | bbcstargazing. :) | 20:12 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: if you love that, http://www.youtube.com/deepskyvideos | 20:14 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: let me look. | 20:14 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: physics is one of my hobbies. | 20:15 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: not many videos yet, but they're going to do the entire Messier catalog | 20:15 |
| brobostigon | interesting. | 20:15 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: and it's by the same people as youtube.com/sixtysymbols (the physics channel) | 20:15 |
| * brobostigon subscribes. | 20:15 | |
| brobostigon | ah | 20:15 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: also check his other channels (periodicvideos, numberphile, and a few others) | 20:16 |
| brobostigon | ok, | 20:16 |
| brobostigon | thank you. | 20:16 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: here's the list: http://www.bradyharan.com/ | 20:17 |
| swat_ | evening all | 21:28 |
| popey | lo | 21:43 |
| brobostigon | o/ | 21:43 |
| === MH0 is now known as NOPA-SOPA | ||
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| awilkins | It's Wednesday, Wednesday, gotta get down on Wednesday, everybody's working 'til the weekend, weekend. | 23:15 |
| zleap | well at least the SOPA issue made the news | 23:21 |
| zleap | i am surprised there is nothing on the google site | 23:21 |
| awilkins | there was a Doodle on for it in the states | 23:21 |
| directhex | but not on google.com/ncr, oddly enough | 23:22 |
| directhex | usually that shows us-only doodles | 23:22 |
| awilkins | And they have a page about it. I think they should have made it global. | 23:22 |
| awilkins | Just because it's a US policy, it still affects the rest of us. | 23:23 |
| zleap | yeah | 23:23 |
| zleap | i think murdoch making comments about all this and attacking google is a laugh, his integrity became zero with the newscorp hacking scandel | 23:24 |
| zleap | scandal | 23:24 |
| zleap | its like bill gates or steve balmer accusingsomeone of having a monopoly | 23:24 |
| awilkins | Old media hate new media. The Metro was snarky about Wikipedia being full of false biographies and dogy facts. | 23:26 |
| popey | yet the metro quotes wikipedia as fact regularly | 23:26 |
| zleap | yeahm, thing is with wikipedia is that errors can be corrected, print media can't be corrected until the next issue | 23:26 |
| * zleap has just made website back to normal ready for upload on Thursday | 23:27 | |
| ali1234 | is it just me or is rupert murdoch's twitter sound a bit like the ramblings of a crazy person? | 23:32 |
| directhex | AlanBell, it *is* | 23:36 |
| directhex | erm, ali1234 | 23:36 |
| AlanBell | o/ | 23:36 |
| ali1234 | each tweet reads like a cryptic crossword clue | 23:37 |
| ali1234 | "Brilliant, visionary but just too much baggage! And erratic." | 23:37 |
| ali1234 | 22 across, 6 letters | 23:37 |
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