[01:43] <vaev> I'm about to try ubuntu studio and consequently lmms and ardour in my audio workstation.. one of the biggest questions that remain however is that is it possible without graying out my hair to use windows vst slaves thru wine in, say, ardour
[01:44] <vaev> konktakt player is my biggest concern..some sweet bucks invested in that department :)
[03:59] <vaev> the update manager wanted to replace the stock kernel with 3.0.0-14-generic
[03:59] <vaev> this is not the realtime kernel I take it.. ?
[04:07] <acerimmer> Ubuntu Studio made video.  Enjoy.  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7001421/Kokujin%20Chronicles%20Episode%20007.mp4
[04:08] <vaev> something I must have done wrong..
[04:08] <vaev> I installed ubuntu studio but I am presented a stock xfce desktop by default
[04:09] <acerimmer> vaev: version???
[04:10] <vaev> ubuntustudio-11.10-alternate-amd64.iso
[04:11] <acerimmer> vaev: just install gnome - be aware that the next version of UStudio is built on xfce
[04:12] <vaev> I don't mind xfce tho. it's been my default DE for a long time on gentoo
[04:12] <vaev> just wondering what happened with the installation, thought I'd be presented with a pretty themed gnome environment :)
[04:13] <acerimmer> vaev: I'm guessing yo0u specified it during installation?
[04:13] <vaev> not that I noticed
[04:13] <vaev> one thing tho..was the installation supposed to be CLI menu based?
[04:13] <acerimmer> vaev: next reboot/login see if you can change your dm options.
[04:14] <vaev> checked that already. only xfce in the system
[04:14] <vaev> I'm gonna try booting from the dvd again see if I chose some non-standard installation
[04:18] <vaev> no, must have done it right..says here on 11.10 release notes that it doesn't currently use unity
[04:21] <acerimmer> vaev: per the 11.10 US wiki, they transition to xfce is already present in the iso.
[04:22] <acerimmer> vaev: so you did everything right, it seems.
[10:53] <trece81> hi folks. I installed ubuntustudio... it does not have a text editor
[10:53] <trece81> Was that on purpose?
[10:53] <trece81> I meant ubuntustudio 11.10
[11:07] <astraljava> trece81: One second, I'll double-check.
[11:07] <trece81> thanks astraljava
[11:07] <trece81> I think it has... nano :P
[11:08] <astraljava> Yes, that of course comes with ubuntu-minimal.
[11:09] <astraljava> Hmm... yeah, it seems we didn't ship with any other editor by default.
[11:10] <astraljava> Yah, Xubuntu explicitly adds leafpad in their seeds, which we don't.
[11:11] <astraljava> I forget now whether this was an intended decision or if it was just dropped by accident.
[11:11] <astraljava> Could have been the former, but that's ages ago and my memory doesn't reach that far. :)
[11:14] <vaev> do you have enough manpower for 12.04? I read on the 11.10 release notes things went bad on that front
[11:15] <astraljava> vaev: Define 'enough'. :) We could always use more people, if not anything else but testing.
[11:16] <vaev> well, enough to meet the goals I guess
[11:16] <vaev> yeah, I'm interested in volunteering to do something. love the concept
[11:17] <astraljava> vaev: Excellent! Are you subscribed to ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com mailing list? If not, please do, as we don't often advertise about the devel cycle matters on the users list. And just yesterday I sent a reminder about the upcoming contributors meeting this coming Sunday.
[11:18] <vaev> I'll do that now. I take it I can order a recent digest of the list as well?
[11:19] <astraljava> vaev: If not, then the archives are linked to on the subscribing page.
[11:19] <vaev> yeah. found it
[11:22] <trece81> astraljava: ok
[11:22] <trece81> Too bad my music PC is not connected to internet, so I'm stuck with no text editor :S ... I'll burn a Xubuntu DVD and see if I can install leafpad and some office things from there
[11:28] <astraljava> trece81: leafpad doesn't have a huge dependency list, so you could try to just download the few packages and install those, and save yourself a blank DVD.
[11:29] <astraljava> ...if you have a usb-stick, for instance.
[11:32] <astraljava> vaev: Good. Looking forward to having you in the ranks! :)
[11:33] <trece81> astraljava: thanks
[11:33] <trece81> but, still, I think I need some office stuff
[11:34] <trece81> I'm just installing fresh for recording stuff this february
[11:35] <astraljava> trece81: Gotcha. Yeah, for the recording stuff, you don't actually need the studio installer. All apps and stuff are available by installing the relevant meta-packages.
[11:38] <trece81> :S
[11:38] <trece81> I didn't understand you there
[11:38] <trece81> Well, I got to go
[11:39] <trece81> But just for the sake of being clear: I install and work offline at my pc (this one is not my pc), and I'm learning pure:data stuff and recording using that
[11:39] <trece81> bye
[11:41] <vaev> astraljava: great! I'm familiar only with usage of the packaging system, not so much in its inner workings.. gentoo world is much more familiar to me. but I can try give feedback on software configuration and testing
[11:42] <vaev> and maybe help in migrating to xfce since that's the DE I've been using for a long time
[11:47] <astraljava> vaev: Great! We don't have an XFCE expert in the house, so that'll come in handy.
[11:49] <vaev> guess I'll start by pulling in current and see what has it eaten :)
[11:51] <vaev> and I guess I can find a US section in launchpad
[11:51] <vaev> yes. seems so
[11:53] <astraljava> vaev: Yep. Could you please ask to join the LP team? I'm not sure, but I should have privileges to admin that group.
[12:03] <vaev> it's the ~ubuntustudio-dev team?
[12:04] <astraljava> vaev: Yep.
[12:05] <astraljava> vaev: Damn, I wrote to the wrong channel. I meant to say to you here that you should join #ubuntu-studio-devel channel, cause that's where the majority of the development happens.
[12:06] <astraljava> vaev: Instead, I wrote that on the aforementioned channel. :)
[12:06] <astraljava> Where you obviously weren't, at that time. :)
[12:06] <vaev> hehe. I was about to ask if that channel is free to join right away
[12:06] <vaev> I'll do that
[12:07] <astraljava> It should be, but I forget.
[12:07] <astraljava> If not, I'll poke the right people.
[12:07] <vaev> I'll fix that typo in the channel name too ;)
[12:08] <astraljava> Which typo?
[12:09] <vaev> ubuntustudio instead of ubuntu-studio
[12:10] <astraljava> vaev: Oh. I thought I recalled a change in the naming, but apparently not.
[12:58] <astraljava> Most excellent! The banshee version in precise attempts to fetch album cover art while ripping. And is quite successful as well.
[13:14] <holstein> i was thinking that too at first
[13:14] <holstein> ubuntu-studio
[13:14] <holstein> but its actually compliant
[13:14] <holstein> like xubuntu-devel or whatever... ubuntustudio is the full name
[13:42] <astraljava> holstein: Yeah, but the IRCC had thought about it, and actually decided on it, but just not acted yet.
[13:42] <astraljava> It's going to change.
[13:42] <astraljava> But obviously there will be re-directs for some time, at least.
[19:40] <loffe> Is there any disadvantage if I first install a regular ubuntu and then add ubuntustudio packages later?
[19:50] <holstein> loffe: nope
[19:50] <holstein> loffe: you dont have to install the studio meta packages at all
[19:50] <holstein> you can just install what you want/need :)
[19:50] <holstein> enjoy!
[19:50] <loffe> ok, I was thinking about special kernels and such
[19:51] <holstein> loffe: we have only the *-generic right now
[19:51] <loffe> I've used the -rt kernel before, is it still used?
[19:51] <holstein> lemme get you a PPA for the others
[19:51] <loffe> is that -generic, the same as the regular ubuntu one
[19:51] <holstein> loffe: yeah, we have *only* access to packages in the ubuntu repositories
[19:52] <holstein> we are working on getting the lowlatency in for this cycle, though i suspect we wont need it much longer
[19:52] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[19:53] <loffe> ok, I'm suprised rt-support still hasn't been included in the mainline kernel
[19:54] <holstein> loffe: its coming.. and better all the time
[19:54] <loffe> that was the sound of it several years ago, hehe ;)
[19:54] <holstein> nah, it really is
[19:55] <holstein> not so much for firewire i find
[19:55] <holstein> but, i have a USB device that actully performs at a signifcantly lower latency with -generic vs RT
[19:59] <loffe> aha, nice. I'm using a usb device to and that sound great :D
[19:59] <holstein> well, USB in general is typically sub-par
[19:59] <holstein> i try and just avoid it
[20:00] <holstein> you can ask around in #opensourcemusicians about tricks and whatever
[20:00] <loffe> ok, thanks for the tip
[20:00] <holstein> most folks dont need low latency anyways
[20:01] <holstein> if you're not doing live effects, or using it for live software synths, it really doesnt matter
[20:01] <holstein> i use a few different JACK profiles
[20:01] <holstein> i rarely load up the one that runs at 1.2ms
[20:04] <loffe> I rarely can go below 8-10 ms
[20:05] <holstein> yup
[20:05] <holstein> USB is pretty bad
[20:05] <holstein> though, i bet someone can help you get to 8 stable assuming the hardware support is there
[20:05] <holstein> not that you need it
[20:06] <holstein> 8 is pretty good for most everything