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Riddell4.8 tars are up!00:15
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Happy New Kubuntu | 4.8 tars are up, wiki page needing updated | 4.7.4 in oneiric-proposed for testing - results/comments in #913928 | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html TODOs!
DarkwingRiddell: Yeah01:54
Darkwinghehehe. Got a new google number.02:22
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Quintasan\o08:52
Riddellanother review http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/11/17/kubuntu-11-10-review/10:03
Riddellactually this one compares us against our rivals http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/11/17/top-6-kde-distributions-of-2011/10:06
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packagin updated10:31
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Happy New Kubuntu | SC 4.8 to package https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | 4.7.4 in oneiric-proposed for testing - results/comments in #913928 | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html TODOs!
Quintasank rebooting to linux10:55
Tm_TQuintasan: from Kubuntu?11:02
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Happy New Kubuntu | SC 4.8 to package https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging contact Riddell to help | 4.7.4 in oneiric-proposed for testing - results/comments in #913928 | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html TODOs!
Riddell!ninjas11:12
ubottuNinja Time! apachelogger, bulldog98, debfx, JontheEchidna, Lex79, maco, neversfelde, nhandler, Quintasan, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK, stalcup, txwikinger, yofel11:12
ScottKSigh.13:53
ScottKprinter-config-kde currently needs python-gtk2.13:54
ScottKmaco: Would you be able to do a really simple port of something from python-gtk2 -> python-kde4 (or even python-qt4)?  It's one window.13:55
RiddellScottK: you're talking about system-config-printer-kde?13:57
ScottKRiddell: Yes.13:57
ScottKSorry.13:57
ScottKWe currently ship a symlink to /usr/share/system-config-printer/pysmb.py and it uses python-gtk2.13:57
Riddelland some part of system-config-printer(-gnome) that it uses needs python-gtk2?13:57
ScottKYes.13:57
ScottKSee the perform_authentication function in class AuthContext.13:58
Riddellthat probably means pysmb.py has that dialog added since I looked at the issue13:58
Riddellso yes I guess system-config-printer-kde needs to take a copy of pysmb.py and port the gtk bits13:59
RiddellScottK: how did you notice this?13:59
ScottKI was troubleshooting the problem that schnelle brought to my attention yesterday and ran it in a konsole session.  I noticed some gtk related warnings (I have python-gtk2 installed)14:00
Riddellhmm14:00
Riddellplease report it to bugs.kde.org so I don't forget about it14:00
ScottKOK.14:00
Riddellsystem-config-printer-kde needs someone to take some better care of it, me or anyone else14:00
Riddellit's on my todo list but as ever who knows when I'll get to it14:01
ScottKI don't mind helping out a bit, but I know nothing about gui programming.14:01
Riddellhopefully this cycle for a problem like that14:01
ScottKI think maco could do the port in a very short time if she has time.14:03
Riddellyes she would be able to14:05
ScottKRiddell: Bug 29195814:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 291958 in linuxlogo (Ubuntu) "Please sync linuxlogo 5.04-1 (universe) to 5.04-2 from Debian (unstable)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29195814:07
ScottKerr KDE Bug 29195814:07
ubottuKDE bug 291958 in general "system-config-printer/pysmb py uses python-gtk2, so it needs porting to PyKDE4" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29195814:07
Riddellthanks14:17
ScottKI checked the rest of the files we symlink and none of them use gtk.14:18
Riddellphew14:18
Riddellgrr routing to ec2 lost14:34
RiddellI blame whatever that US bill is that will shut down the internet14:34
ScottKec2 is not famous for its reliability even under optimal legal conditions.14:47
Riddellhah came back14:49
Riddell15 mins out, I was just about to start a new one14:49
Riddellcalligra compile latest breakage, can't see any error http://paste.kde.org/189182/15:47
shadeslayerRiddell: moar backlog?15:55
Riddellshadeslayer: starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/calligra_2.3.86-0ubuntu6_armel.build15:59
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macoScottK, Riddell: yes i can do that, but im horribly unreliable if i lack a deadline. so, bug # and due date?16:15
ScottKmaco: KDE Bug 291958 and we need it before feature freeze, so how about January 26 (one week) so we can get it in before the Alpha 2 freeze?16:18
ubottuKDE bug 291958 in general "system-config-printer/pysmb py uses python-gtk2, so it needs porting to PyKDE4" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29195816:18
ScottKmaco: How does that sound?16:19
macodoable16:19
ScottKKewl.16:19
macokde switched to git, huh?16:20
ScottKmaco: You can do it as a patch to our kdeadmin package and then leave it to Riddell to push upstream if you want.16:21
macoRiddell: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeutils/printer-applet/repository is that the one?16:22
shadeslayerRiddell: looking?16:23
shadeslayers/?//16:23
ScottKmaco: Yes.  That's the upstream one.16:24
ScottKmaco: Oh, wait.  no.16:24
Riddellmaco: umm yes I don't think I've looked at it since kdeutils moved to git16:24
Riddelloh then the kdeadmin bit16:25
ScottKmaco: It's http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeadmin/system-config-printer-kde/16:25
ScottKkdeadmin didn't move yet.16:25
macooh16:25
macoprojects.kde.org isnt very helpful on the searching :-/16:25
macohttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kde-common/svn/svn_instructions.txt?view=markup  <-- went away16:28
macoi'll just do the deb thing i guess16:28
macokde's vcs changes are confusing16:28
macoScottK, Riddell: so should i just be smooshing the current pysmb or is there some reason that itd need to be preserved (compatibility with something?) and a pysmbqt.py or something made and linked in instead?16:31
shadeslayerRiddell: hmmm ... Can't find anything on the first pass16:32
ScottKmaco: Just take the current pysmb that we symlink to in our package and port it to Qt/KDE.  Then we'll put it in our package.  No need to change the name.16:32
ScottKi.e. smoosh the current one if I understand you correctly.16:33
macook16:33
ScottKThanks.16:33
Riddellshadeslayer: no, weird isn't it16:38
shadeslayeryeah16:38
ts2I wonder if passing -Wl,--verbose will give any clues16:39
Riddellts2: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/VERBOSE16:51
ts2hmm, that actually looks fine16:53
ts2Riddell: is it cut off at the bottom?16:54
ts2other that that, I don't see anything that would be an error16:54
Riddellno that's all16:55
ts2I ask because it ends with "/lib/ar", which seems incomplete16:56
Riddell/lib/ar is a directory with libraries in it16:56
Riddellhmm no it's not16:56
Riddell/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi is16:56
Riddelldunno that's all it gives when redirecting stdout to a file16:56
ts2maybe you hit the argument length limit?16:57
Riddellstderr just says collect2: ld returned 1 exit status16:57
Riddellsurely it wouldn't run the command if there was an argument length limit16:57
ts2I'm not sure, but there really isn't a way to check from within a program that the arguments are cut off16:59
ts2I expect it'd be make that's responsible for checking that16:59
ts2I'm just throwing wild stabs in the dark though17:00
Riddellyeah thanks for trying17:01
Riddellthink I'll see if it compiles without that directory for now17:02
QuintasanDAGH17:03
QuintasanRiddell: Did anyone pick kdelibs yet?17:04
QuintasanI broke my install and I just finished reinstalling magic17:04
RiddellQuintasan: yeah I've done all the yellow ones on the ninjas wiki page17:04
RiddellQuintasan: say if you want to help and I'll update the ninjas page but I think I've done all I will for today17:06
Riddelldarkwing is missing the community council meeting17:07
QuintasanRiddell: Please do, I'm almost done17:08
RiddellQuintasan: should be it17:11
Quintasano717:11
* Quintasan gets to work17:11
Riddellsay if you need ec2 help17:11
QuintasanRiddell: What the the kde source tarballs secret release grounds address?17:15
RiddellQuintasan: ftpubuntu@ftpmaster.kde.org17:15
QuintasanThanks17:15
* Quintasan curses PulseAudio17:19
Quintasanyofel_: I bump the MINIMUM_KDE_VERSION := 4:4.7.97 in debian/rules in meta-kde, righto?17:24
yofel_Quintasan: that and DEV_LATEST_VERSION17:30
Quintasank17:30
yofel_maybe PREV too, not sure what that was for17:30
yofel_hm, yeah, PREV too17:31
Darkwingtalk about two different worlds17:39
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yofelevening Darkwing ^^17:39
Darkwingo/17:42
yofelQuintasan: what packages are you doing?17:42
Quintasankdeadmin17:42
Quintasan1#!%@#%$@##@%@ PULSEAUDIO GO DIE IN A FIRE17:42
QuintasanWHY CAN'T IT JUST WORK T_T17:42
RiddellQuintasan: I did meta-kde17:42
Riddelljust add kubuntu-ninjas to your sources.list17:43
QuintasanRiddell: Yeah, I just realised I did not bump kdepimlibs and I was whining why it doesnt work17:43
Quintasanplus PulseAudio is driving me mad since no microphone input17:43
shadeslayerdid someone test KDevelop?17:45
Riddellshadeslayer: oh sorry I didn't get to that17:45
yofelshould we bump any version other than kde-sc-dev-latest? I mean, it's more work, but needs less retries in the archive17:45
shadeslayerhttps://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/kdevelop-custom-buildsystem_1.2.1-0ubuntu1~ppa2.dsc  << Needs reviewing as well17:45
QuintasanRiddell: Can we kill off PulseAudio next cycle please?17:45
yofelQuintasan: hardly17:45
yofelalso: works here17:46
QuintasanI have an old SoundBlaster Live17:46
yofeloh17:46
Quintasanpure alsa worked here with some tinkering17:46
Quintasanbut with PulseAudio - NO17:46
QuintasanBECAUSE NO17:46
QuintasanI can play sound files fine17:46
Quintasanbut no flash sound and no recording17:46
yofelflash sounds like a pulse issue17:47
yofelbut no idea why17:47
QuintasanSounds like another reason to install precise17:48
QuintasanMaybe shit will work there17:48
RiddellQuintasan: that's a question for foundations team but I'm sure they had their reasons for choosing it17:48
* yofel does wallpapers17:48
QuintasanRiddell: It has been a horrible exeprience for me17:48
QuintasanWindows had it fair share of problems but I installed kx audio drivers and it works17:49
Quintasanno luck in Kubuntu17:49
shadeslayerQuintasan: tried OSS?17:49
QuintasanThere is the option that I am doing something horribly wrong but if a tech-oriented user can't figure this out then how normal people are supposed to do it?17:49
ScottKQuintasan: Make maco fix it after she finishes fixing the printer stuff.17:50
ScottKQuintasan: It just works here.17:50
QuintasanScottK: I still get the idea that the best solution is to nuke it17:50
QuintasanIt's a step backwards in terms of sound in Linux overall17:50
macodont ask me, ask crimsun17:51
Quintasanshadeslayer: Isn't that dead?17:51
ScottKIf it is or not, it's the way of the future.17:51
shadeslayerDunno17:51
ScottKYou're here, he isn't....17:51
Darkwingwell, that went well17:51
rdieterQuintasan: fyi, the pulse + flash no recording thing... is a flash bug => https://twitter.com/#!/pulseaudio/statuses/14221354945911193717:51
Quintasanrdieter: I'm talking about playback17:52
QuintasanI have no sound playback in flash, and can't record anything17:52
Quintasanno skype, no gizmo, no anything17:52
rdieterI'm talking only about recording, playback is a separate issue17:52
ScottKQuintasan: Consider it a productivity enhancing package.  Fewer distractions.  More homework done.17:53
ScottKSee, feature, not bug.17:53
DarkwingScottK, Riddell sorry for being disjointed. :(17:53
ScottKIt happens.  It worked out.17:53
DarkwingI meant to toss my notes on my phone n forgot17:53
shadeslayerQuintasan: read http://arunraghavan.net/2012/01/pulseaudio-vs-audioflinger-fight/ :P17:54
DarkwingI think it was better then expected.17:54
ScottKNo sucking up though, we don't work for them ....17:54
RiddellDarkwing: did you order any kubuntu CDs for this thing you're going to?17:54
Darkwingyup. ill have then at the ubuntu and KDE booths17:55
Riddellnice17:55
Darkwingand maybe the Qt Booth if they want to showcase Qt in action.17:55
RiddellDarkwing: do you have any stall decorations?  I need to think about fosdem stall posters17:56
Darkwingnot yet. I haven't been able to afford them :(17:56
DarkwingI let my laptop speak for itself17:56
shadeslayerhmmm17:57
Quintasanshadeslayer: I would add a point that AudioFlinger simply works17:57
Riddellmm, I wonder if I should say that e.v. should  #MISSING: 4:4.8.0# (arch=amd64 i386)_ZN4KUrl4ListD1Ev@Base 4:4.7.017:57
Darkwinglast year I handed out almost 300 CDs17:57
Riddell  #MISSING: 4:4.8.0# (arch=amd64 i386)_ZN4KUrl4ListD2Ev@Base 4:4.7.017:57
shadeslayerQuintasan: heh, true :D17:57
Riddell gosh what happened there17:57
Darkwingkubuntu ones17:57
shadeslayerRiddell: KDevelop installs and runs fine17:57
Quintasanuploading kdeadmin17:57
Riddellshadeslayer: did you do all the tars?17:58
shadeslayeryus17:58
shadeslayermuwhahaha I made it crashy17:58
Riddellgreat, I should be able to look at that after I've had something to eat17:58
shadeslayersure17:58
RiddellDarkwing: was saying e.v. has a plan now and I wonder if "helping event stalls" should be a budget item17:59
shadeslayerRiddell: The new package needs review, should I upload it to revu or will you take care of it?17:59
Riddellshadeslayer: it's in your PPA isn't it?  I can get it from there and review17:59
shadeslayerYup17:59
shadeslayerokay17:59
DarkwingI would LOVE to be able to have stickers or cheap swag. even just signage would be epic17:59
CIA-96[kdeadmin] Michal Zajac * 144 * debian/ (changelog control) * New upstream release17:59
shadeslayerargh18:00
shadeslayerKDevelop crashes on opening the source formatter18:00
Darkwingor, I have a quasi interview with Qt this weekend.18:01
Darkwings/or/oh/18:01
kubotuDarkwing meant: "oh, I have a quasi interview with Qt this weekend."18:01
QuintasanOh, that's nice.18:01
RiddellDarkwing: get a job with them and then replace qmake, you know you want to18:03
RiddellDarkwing: did you talk to geiseri or others who have done stalls in the US before if they have spare stuff?18:03
QuintasanYES YES YES18:04
QuintasanKILL QMAKE18:04
Quintasanshadeslayer: ^18:04
DarkwingRiddell: if I can lol18:04
Darkwingno, I haven't. I need to though. 18:04
shadeslayerWhy yes18:05
shadeslayerWeren't they retiring QMake?18:05
Riddellnot that I've heard18:06
yofelwere they? afaik they're rather fond of it18:06
Quintasanshadeslayer: Do remind me to reinstall Kubuntu when we roll out 4.8.018:06
shadeslayerQuintasan: Atleast you can do that ....18:07
shadeslayerI can't even do that once Kubuntu increases the CD size to 1.5 GB18:07
yofeluse rsync?18:07
yofelor zsync18:08
CIA-96[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-wallpapers] Philip Muškovac * 24 * debian/ (changelog control kde-wallpapers.install) * New upstream release - update kde-wallpapers.install18:08
yofelhm, ubuntu-vm-builder is broken in precise :(18:09
=== Quintasan changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Happy New Kubuntu | SC 4.8 to package https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging contact Riddell to help | 4.7.4 in oneiric-proposed for testing - results/comments in #913928 | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html TODOs!
Quintasanargh18:12
* Quintasan grabs kdemultimedia18:18
yofelhm, does someone have an idea why ktimetracker doesn't work?18:18
QuintasanOnce I'm done I'm off to do some maths18:18
yofelseems broken since 4.7, and I can't see anything obviously wrong with the packaging18:18
CIA-96[kdemultimedia] Michal Zajac * 144 * debian/ (changelog control) * New upstream release18:27
shadeslayerRiddell: okay, kdevelop needs a small change, upstream says that we Recommend the custom build plugin instead of what I have right now ( kdevelop-custom-buildsystem enahcing kdevelop )18:32
ScottKRiddell: If you have time, it would be really super to get dbus-python out of binary New.  There's some PyQt4 work that's waiting on it.18:41
CIA-96[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdegames] Philip Muškovac * 145 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release18:44
RiddellScottK: accepted18:58
ScottKRiddell: Thanks.18:58
Riddellshadeslayer: do you know if kubuntu_01_appmenu_fix.diff can go upstream?19:04
* shadeslayer looks19:04
shadeslayerI believe so, I'll just ask the maintainers of the project19:05
Riddellshadeslayer: what about kdevelop-php-docs ?19:17
shadeslayerDid i miss a package?19:18
shadeslayerok give me 15 minutes19:18
Riddellshadeslayer: others uploaded thanks19:26
shadeslayer\o/19:26
shadeslayerRiddell: custom build system as well?19:27
Riddellshadeslayer: yes19:27
Riddellas I say fine for us, just not for KDE19:27
Riddellshadeslayer: poke ScottK to review it from New19:27
shadeslayercuil19:27
shadeslayerref : http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/7da5i/police_raids_reveal_baby_farms/c06cqxb :P19:28
Riddelluh oh ScottK's arm is out of hard disk19:29
shadeslayerRiddell: uploaded kdevelop-php-docs to same ppa19:29
shadeslayerRiddell: how much HDD do the ARM boxes have?19:29
sheytan_Hey guys19:30
shadeslayersheytan_: hey19:30
sheytan_any plans to replace kdm with ldm finally for next releas? :)19:30
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ScottKRiddell: I'll have a look in a few inutes.19:32
yofelnobody wrote a greeter, so... no19:32
shadeslayerScottK: can you let kdevelop-custom-buildsystem through New?19:33
ScottKPerhaps a bit later.19:34
shadeslayersure19:34
* shadeslayer is off to study for a bit19:34
CIA-96[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepim] Philip Muškovac * 189 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release19:41
Riddelloh sheytan ran away20:11
jussiRiddell: only for a few mins :P20:32
Riddellsheytan: agateau is working on lightdm but probably it won't be ready for release20:58
Riddellbut if you're offering artwork or anything do ask him20:58
ScottKSwitching isn't precisely in line with "It's an LTS, let's keep the changes small and low risk" in any case.21:00
sheytanartwork already done long time ago, just asking ;)21:07
* sheytan is bored with km21:07
sheytankdm21:07
yofelnew kdm looks nice IMO - not as good as your ldm draft though :)21:07
sheytanyofel can i see it21:08
sheytan?21:08
sheytanmake a prtscrn for me pls :)21:08
yofelsame login window, but with a lightgrey-ish background21:09
yofelhoros was too distracting21:09
sheytanah, know that one21:09
sheytananyway, ubuntu theme with ldm is way better21:10
sheytanosx has a nice one in lion too21:10
Riddellsheytan: it's LightDM, LDM is something different21:57
Riddellbest not to confuse21:57
Riddellshadeslayer: hmm kdevelop compile failures21:57
ScottKyofel: I just made a kdemultimedia change in bzr.  Please be sure to pull from there again (and feel free to put your name back at the bottom of the changelog if you want)22:44
yofelyou mean Quintasan22:47
yofelhe did kdemultimedia22:48
ScottKOh.  Sorry.22:49
ScottKyeah.22:49
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Riddellif I upload the packages the final step is to get the packaging from bzr and tars from ftpmaster to ensure it's the latest of everything22:55

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