[00:15] <Riddell> 4.8 tars are up!
[01:54] <Darkwing> Riddell: Yeah
[02:22] <Darkwing> hehehe. Got a new google number.
[08:52] <Quintasan> \o
[10:03] <Riddell> another review http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/11/17/kubuntu-11-10-review/
[10:06] <Riddell> actually this one compares us against our rivals http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/11/17/top-6-kde-distributions-of-2011/
[10:31] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packagin updated
[10:55] <Quintasan> k rebooting to linux
[11:02] <Tm_T> Quintasan: from Kubuntu?
[11:12] <Riddell> !ninjas
[13:53] <ScottK> Sigh.
[13:54] <ScottK> printer-config-kde currently needs python-gtk2.
[13:55] <ScottK> maco: Would you be able to do a really simple port of something from python-gtk2 -> python-kde4 (or even python-qt4)?  It's one window.
[13:57] <Riddell> ScottK: you're talking about system-config-printer-kde?
[13:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.
[13:57] <ScottK> Sorry.
[13:57] <ScottK> We currently ship a symlink to /usr/share/system-config-printer/pysmb.py and it uses python-gtk2.
[13:57] <Riddell> and some part of system-config-printer(-gnome) that it uses needs python-gtk2?
[13:57] <ScottK> Yes.
[13:58] <ScottK> See the perform_authentication function in class AuthContext.
[13:58] <Riddell> that probably means pysmb.py has that dialog added since I looked at the issue
[13:59] <Riddell> so yes I guess system-config-printer-kde needs to take a copy of pysmb.py and port the gtk bits
[13:59] <Riddell> ScottK: how did you notice this?
[14:00] <ScottK> I was troubleshooting the problem that schnelle brought to my attention yesterday and ran it in a konsole session.  I noticed some gtk related warnings (I have python-gtk2 installed)
[14:00] <Riddell> hmm
[14:00] <Riddell> please report it to bugs.kde.org so I don't forget about it
[14:00] <ScottK> OK.
[14:00] <Riddell> system-config-printer-kde needs someone to take some better care of it, me or anyone else
[14:01] <Riddell> it's on my todo list but as ever who knows when I'll get to it
[14:01] <ScottK> I don't mind helping out a bit, but I know nothing about gui programming.
[14:01] <Riddell> hopefully this cycle for a problem like that
[14:03] <ScottK> I think maco could do the port in a very short time if she has time.
[14:05] <Riddell> yes she would be able to
[14:07] <ScottK> Riddell: Bug 291958
[14:07] <ScottK> err KDE Bug 291958
[14:17] <Riddell> thanks
[14:18] <ScottK> I checked the rest of the files we symlink and none of them use gtk.
[14:18] <Riddell> phew
[14:34] <Riddell> grr routing to ec2 lost
[14:34] <Riddell> I blame whatever that US bill is that will shut down the internet
[14:47] <ScottK> ec2 is not famous for its reliability even under optimal legal conditions.
[14:49] <Riddell> hah came back
[14:49] <Riddell> 15 mins out, I was just about to start a new one
[15:47] <Riddell> calligra compile latest breakage, can't see any error http://paste.kde.org/189182/
[15:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: moar backlog?
[15:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/calligra_2.3.86-0ubuntu6_armel.build
[16:15] <maco> ScottK, Riddell: yes i can do that, but im horribly unreliable if i lack a deadline. so, bug # and due date?
[16:18] <ScottK> maco: KDE Bug 291958 and we need it before feature freeze, so how about January 26 (one week) so we can get it in before the Alpha 2 freeze?
[16:19] <ScottK> maco: How does that sound?
[16:19] <maco> doable
[16:19] <ScottK> Kewl.
[16:20] <maco> kde switched to git, huh?
[16:21] <ScottK> maco: You can do it as a patch to our kdeadmin package and then leave it to Riddell to push upstream if you want.
[16:22] <maco> Riddell: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeutils/printer-applet/repository is that the one?
[16:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: looking?
[16:23] <shadeslayer> s/?//
[16:24] <ScottK> maco: Yes.  That's the upstream one.
[16:24] <ScottK> maco: Oh, wait.  no.
[16:24] <Riddell> maco: umm yes I don't think I've looked at it since kdeutils moved to git
[16:25] <Riddell> oh then the kdeadmin bit
[16:25] <ScottK> maco: It's http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeadmin/system-config-printer-kde/
[16:25] <ScottK> kdeadmin didn't move yet.
[16:25] <maco> oh
[16:25] <maco> projects.kde.org isnt very helpful on the searching :-/
[16:28] <maco> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kde-common/svn/svn_instructions.txt?view=markup  <-- went away
[16:28] <maco> i'll just do the deb thing i guess
[16:28] <maco> kde's vcs changes are confusing
[16:31] <maco> ScottK, Riddell: so should i just be smooshing the current pysmb or is there some reason that itd need to be preserved (compatibility with something?) and a pysmbqt.py or something made and linked in instead?
[16:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmmm ... Can't find anything on the first pass
[16:32] <ScottK> maco: Just take the current pysmb that we symlink to in our package and port it to Qt/KDE.  Then we'll put it in our package.  No need to change the name.
[16:33] <ScottK> i.e. smoosh the current one if I understand you correctly.
[16:33] <maco> ok
[16:33] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no, weird isn't it
[16:38] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:39] <ts2> I wonder if passing -Wl,--verbose will give any clues
[16:51] <Riddell> ts2: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/VERBOSE
[16:53] <ts2> hmm, that actually looks fine
[16:54] <ts2> Riddell: is it cut off at the bottom?
[16:54] <ts2> other that that, I don't see anything that would be an error
[16:55] <Riddell> no that's all
[16:56] <ts2> I ask because it ends with "/lib/ar", which seems incomplete
[16:56] <Riddell> /lib/ar is a directory with libraries in it
[16:56] <Riddell> hmm no it's not
[16:56] <Riddell> /lib/arm-linux-gnueabi is
[16:56] <Riddell> dunno that's all it gives when redirecting stdout to a file
[16:57] <ts2> maybe you hit the argument length limit?
[16:57] <Riddell> stderr just says collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[16:57] <Riddell> surely it wouldn't run the command if there was an argument length limit
[16:59] <ts2> I'm not sure, but there really isn't a way to check from within a program that the arguments are cut off
[16:59] <ts2> I expect it'd be make that's responsible for checking that
[17:00] <ts2> I'm just throwing wild stabs in the dark though
[17:01] <Riddell> yeah thanks for trying
[17:02] <Riddell> think I'll see if it compiles without that directory for now
[17:03] <Quintasan> DAGH
[17:04] <Quintasan> Riddell: Did anyone pick kdelibs yet?
[17:04] <Quintasan> I broke my install and I just finished reinstalling magic
[17:04] <Riddell> Quintasan: yeah I've done all the yellow ones on the ninjas wiki page
[17:06] <Riddell> Quintasan: say if you want to help and I'll update the ninjas page but I think I've done all I will for today
[17:07] <Riddell> darkwing is missing the community council meeting
[17:08] <Quintasan> Riddell: Please do, I'm almost done
[17:11] <Riddell> Quintasan: should be it
[17:11] <Quintasan> o7
[17:11]  * Quintasan gets to work
[17:11] <Riddell> say if you need ec2 help
[17:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: What the the kde source tarballs secret release grounds address?
[17:15] <Riddell> Quintasan: ftpubuntu@ftpmaster.kde.org
[17:15] <Quintasan> Thanks
[17:19]  * Quintasan curses PulseAudio
[17:24] <Quintasan> yofel_: I bump the MINIMUM_KDE_VERSION := 4:4.7.97 in debian/rules in meta-kde, righto?
[17:30] <yofel_> Quintasan: that and DEV_LATEST_VERSION
[17:30] <Quintasan> k
[17:30] <yofel_> maybe PREV too, not sure what that was for
[17:31] <yofel_> hm, yeah, PREV too
[17:39] <Darkwing> talk about two different worlds
[17:39] <yofel> evening Darkwing ^^
[17:42] <Darkwing> o/
[17:42] <yofel> Quintasan: what packages are you doing?
[17:42] <Quintasan> kdeadmin
[17:42] <Quintasan> 1#!%@#%$@##@%@ PULSEAUDIO GO DIE IN A FIRE
[17:42] <Quintasan> WHY CAN'T IT JUST WORK T_T
[17:42] <Riddell> Quintasan: I did meta-kde
[17:43] <Riddell> just add kubuntu-ninjas to your sources.list
[17:43] <Quintasan> Riddell: Yeah, I just realised I did not bump kdepimlibs and I was whining why it doesnt work
[17:43] <Quintasan> plus PulseAudio is driving me mad since no microphone input
[17:45] <shadeslayer> did someone test KDevelop?
[17:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh sorry I didn't get to that
[17:45] <yofel> should we bump any version other than kde-sc-dev-latest? I mean, it's more work, but needs less retries in the archive
[17:45] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/kdevelop-custom-buildsystem_1.2.1-0ubuntu1~ppa2.dsc  << Needs reviewing as well
[17:45] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can we kill off PulseAudio next cycle please?
[17:45] <yofel> Quintasan: hardly
[17:46] <yofel> also: works here
[17:46] <Quintasan> I have an old SoundBlaster Live
[17:46] <yofel> oh
[17:46] <Quintasan> pure alsa worked here with some tinkering
[17:46] <Quintasan> but with PulseAudio - NO
[17:46] <Quintasan> BECAUSE NO
[17:46] <Quintasan> I can play sound files fine
[17:46] <Quintasan> but no flash sound and no recording
[17:47] <yofel> flash sounds like a pulse issue
[17:47] <yofel> but no idea why
[17:48] <Quintasan> Sounds like another reason to install precise
[17:48] <Quintasan> Maybe shit will work there
[17:48] <Riddell> Quintasan: that's a question for foundations team but I'm sure they had their reasons for choosing it
[17:48]  * yofel does wallpapers
[17:48] <Quintasan> Riddell: It has been a horrible exeprience for me
[17:49] <Quintasan> Windows had it fair share of problems but I installed kx audio drivers and it works
[17:49] <Quintasan> no luck in Kubuntu
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: tried OSS?
[17:49] <Quintasan> There is the option that I am doing something horribly wrong but if a tech-oriented user can't figure this out then how normal people are supposed to do it?
[17:50] <ScottK> Quintasan: Make maco fix it after she finishes fixing the printer stuff.
[17:50] <ScottK> Quintasan: It just works here.
[17:50] <Quintasan> ScottK: I still get the idea that the best solution is to nuke it
[17:50] <Quintasan> It's a step backwards in terms of sound in Linux overall
[17:51] <maco> dont ask me, ask crimsun
[17:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Isn't that dead?
[17:51] <ScottK> If it is or not, it's the way of the future.
[17:51] <shadeslayer> Dunno
[17:51] <ScottK> You're here, he isn't....
[17:51] <Darkwing> well, that went well
[17:51] <rdieter> Quintasan: fyi, the pulse + flash no recording thing... is a flash bug => https://twitter.com/#!/pulseaudio/statuses/142213549459111937
[17:52] <Quintasan> rdieter: I'm talking about playback
[17:52] <Quintasan> I have no sound playback in flash, and can't record anything
[17:52] <Quintasan> no skype, no gizmo, no anything
[17:52] <rdieter> I'm talking only about recording, playback is a separate issue
[17:53] <ScottK> Quintasan: Consider it a productivity enhancing package.  Fewer distractions.  More homework done.
[17:53] <ScottK> See, feature, not bug.
[17:53] <Darkwing> ScottK, Riddell sorry for being disjointed. :(
[17:53] <ScottK> It happens.  It worked out.
[17:53] <Darkwing> I meant to toss my notes on my phone n forgot
[17:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: read http://arunraghavan.net/2012/01/pulseaudio-vs-audioflinger-fight/ :P
[17:54] <Darkwing> I think it was better then expected.
[17:54] <ScottK> No sucking up though, we don't work for them ....
[17:54] <Riddell> Darkwing: did you order any kubuntu CDs for this thing you're going to?
[17:55] <Darkwing> yup. ill have then at the ubuntu and KDE booths
[17:55] <Riddell> nice
[17:55] <Darkwing> and maybe the Qt Booth if they want to showcase Qt in action.
[17:56] <Riddell> Darkwing: do you have any stall decorations?  I need to think about fosdem stall posters
[17:56] <Darkwing> not yet. I haven't been able to afford them :(
[17:56] <Darkwing> I let my laptop speak for itself
[17:57] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[17:57] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I would add a point that AudioFlinger simply works
[17:57] <Riddell> mm, I wonder if I should say that e.v. should  #MISSING: 4:4.8.0# (arch=amd64 i386)_ZN4KUrl4ListD1Ev@Base 4:4.7.0
[17:57] <Darkwing> last year I handed out almost 300 CDs
[17:57] <Riddell>   #MISSING: 4:4.8.0# (arch=amd64 i386)_ZN4KUrl4ListD2Ev@Base 4:4.7.0
[17:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: heh, true :D
[17:57] <Riddell>  gosh what happened there
[17:57] <Darkwing> kubuntu ones
[17:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: KDevelop installs and runs fine
[17:57] <Quintasan> uploading kdeadmin
[17:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you do all the tars?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> yus
[17:58] <shadeslayer> muwhahaha I made it crashy
[17:58] <Riddell> great, I should be able to look at that after I've had something to eat
[17:58] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:59] <Riddell> Darkwing: was saying e.v. has a plan now and I wonder if "helping event stalls" should be a budget item
[17:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: The new package needs review, should I upload it to revu or will you take care of it?
[17:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's in your PPA isn't it?  I can get it from there and review
[17:59] <shadeslayer> Yup
[17:59] <shadeslayer> okay
[17:59] <Darkwing> I would LOVE to be able to have stickers or cheap swag. even just signage would be epic
[17:59] <CIA-96> [kdeadmin] Michal Zajac * 144 * debian/ (changelog control) * New upstream release
[18:00] <shadeslayer> argh
[18:00] <shadeslayer> KDevelop crashes on opening the source formatter
[18:01] <Darkwing> or, I have a quasi interview with Qt this weekend.
[18:01] <Darkwing> s/or/oh/
[18:01] <kubotu> Darkwing meant: "oh, I have a quasi interview with Qt this weekend."
[18:01] <Quintasan> Oh, that's nice.
[18:03] <Riddell> Darkwing: get a job with them and then replace qmake, you know you want to
[18:03] <Riddell> Darkwing: did you talk to geiseri or others who have done stalls in the US before if they have spare stuff?
[18:04] <Quintasan> YES YES YES
[18:04] <Quintasan> KILL QMAKE
[18:04] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^
[18:04] <Darkwing> Riddell: if I can lol
[18:04] <Darkwing> no, I haven't. I need to though. 
[18:05] <shadeslayer> Why yes
[18:05] <shadeslayer> Weren't they retiring QMake?
[18:06] <Riddell> not that I've heard
[18:06] <yofel> were they? afaik they're rather fond of it
[18:06] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Do remind me to reinstall Kubuntu when we roll out 4.8.0
[18:07] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: Atleast you can do that ....
[18:07] <shadeslayer> I can't even do that once Kubuntu increases the CD size to 1.5 GB
[18:07] <yofel> use rsync?
[18:08] <yofel> or zsync
[18:08] <CIA-96> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-wallpapers] Philip Muškovac * 24 * debian/ (changelog control kde-wallpapers.install) * New upstream release - update kde-wallpapers.install
[18:09] <yofel> hm, ubuntu-vm-builder is broken in precise :(
[18:12] <Quintasan> argh
[18:18]  * Quintasan grabs kdemultimedia
[18:18] <yofel> hm, does someone have an idea why ktimetracker doesn't work?
[18:18] <Quintasan> Once I'm done I'm off to do some maths
[18:18] <yofel> seems broken since 4.7, and I can't see anything obviously wrong with the packaging
[18:27] <CIA-96> [kdemultimedia] Michal Zajac * 144 * debian/ (changelog control) * New upstream release
[18:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: okay, kdevelop needs a small change, upstream says that we Recommend the custom build plugin instead of what I have right now ( kdevelop-custom-buildsystem enahcing kdevelop )
[18:41] <ScottK> Riddell: If you have time, it would be really super to get dbus-python out of binary New.  There's some PyQt4 work that's waiting on it.
[18:44] <CIA-96> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdegames] Philip Muškovac * 145 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[18:58] <Riddell> ScottK: accepted
[18:58] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[19:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you know if kubuntu_01_appmenu_fix.diff can go upstream?
[19:04]  * shadeslayer looks
[19:05] <shadeslayer> I believe so, I'll just ask the maintainers of the project
[19:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what about kdevelop-php-docs ?
[19:18] <shadeslayer> Did i miss a package?
[19:18] <shadeslayer> ok give me 15 minutes
[19:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: others uploaded thanks
[19:26] <shadeslayer> \o/
[19:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: custom build system as well?
[19:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes
[19:27] <Riddell> as I say fine for us, just not for KDE
[19:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: poke ScottK to review it from New
[19:27] <shadeslayer> cuil
[19:28] <shadeslayer> ref : http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/7da5i/police_raids_reveal_baby_farms/c06cqxb :P
[19:29] <Riddell> uh oh ScottK's arm is out of hard disk
[19:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uploaded kdevelop-php-docs to same ppa
[19:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how much HDD do the ARM boxes have?
[19:30] <sheytan_> Hey guys
[19:30] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: hey
[19:30] <sheytan_> any plans to replace kdm with ldm finally for next releas? :)
[19:32] <ScottK> Riddell: I'll have a look in a few inutes.
[19:32] <yofel> nobody wrote a greeter, so... no
[19:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you let kdevelop-custom-buildsystem through New?
[19:34] <ScottK> Perhaps a bit later.
[19:34] <shadeslayer> sure
[19:34]  * shadeslayer is off to study for a bit
[19:41] <CIA-96> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepim] Philip Muškovac * 189 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[20:11] <Riddell> oh sheytan ran away
[20:32] <jussi> Riddell: only for a few mins :P
[20:58] <Riddell> sheytan: agateau is working on lightdm but probably it won't be ready for release
[20:58] <Riddell> but if you're offering artwork or anything do ask him
[21:00] <ScottK> Switching isn't precisely in line with "It's an LTS, let's keep the changes small and low risk" in any case.
[21:07] <sheytan> artwork already done long time ago, just asking ;)
[21:07]  * sheytan is bored with km
[21:07] <sheytan> kdm
[21:07] <yofel> new kdm looks nice IMO - not as good as your ldm draft though :)
[21:08] <sheytan> yofel can i see it
[21:08] <sheytan> ?
[21:08] <sheytan> make a prtscrn for me pls :)
[21:09] <yofel> same login window, but with a lightgrey-ish background
[21:09] <yofel> horos was too distracting
[21:09] <sheytan> ah, know that one
[21:10] <sheytan> anyway, ubuntu theme with ldm is way better
[21:10] <sheytan> osx has a nice one in lion too
[21:57] <Riddell> sheytan: it's LightDM, LDM is something different
[21:57] <Riddell> best not to confuse
[21:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm kdevelop compile failures
[22:44] <ScottK> yofel: I just made a kdemultimedia change in bzr.  Please be sure to pull from there again (and feel free to put your name back at the bottom of the changelog if you want)
[22:47] <yofel> you mean Quintasan
[22:48] <yofel> he did kdemultimedia
[22:49] <ScottK> Oh.  Sorry.
[22:49] <ScottK> yeah.
[22:55] <Riddell> if I upload the packages the final step is to get the packaging from bzr and tars from ftpmaster to ensure it's the latest of everything