| skulltip | to use ubuntu-tv on ubuntu, do i need to follow the webupd8 blog instructions? or does it come with ubuntu :/? | 15:38 |
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| Saviq | skulltip, the only ~supported way of running ubuntu-tv is from source | 15:43 |
| skulltip | you mean it's in beta still? | 15:44 |
| mhall119 | it's in alpha still | 15:45 |
| skulltip | cool.. is the plan to use amazon tv | 15:46 |
| mhall119 | the plan is to allow the use of as many sources as possible | 15:46 |
| skulltip | could netflix be a possiblity | 15:47 |
| mhall119 | if netflix gets on board, yes | 15:47 |
| skulltip | ok thanks | 15:47 |
| mhall119 | skulltip: the issue with Netflix, as far as I know, is that they need DRM | 15:48 |
| skulltip | true | 15:49 |
| mhall119 | that'll probably be an issue with most content providers | 15:49 |
| popey | I don't think that's a major issue. | 15:51 |
| Saviq | it's not even in alpha | 15:51 |
| popey | Getting them on-board is mthe hardest part | 15:51 |
| popey | and actually finishing the code ☺ | 15:51 |
| LjL | i really hope you don't plan to support DRM... | 15:53 |
| skulltip | wonder if a cloud-like DRM is possible, or virtualized stream-like | 15:55 |
| popey | LjL: if we don't implement some form of DRM then chances are we will have near-zero content | 15:56 |
| skulltip | store recorded movies on an encrypted partition, impossible to copy to another drive or machine? | 16:00 |
| popey | we have to do what the distributors / studios want basically. we're not big (apple/amazon) enough to influence whether they use DRM or not | 16:00 |
| popey | (yet) | 16:01 |
| skulltip | wave a potential market in their face however? | 16:01 |
| LjL | then you could start by making a lovely mediacenter thing even without much available content... but meh, nevermind this or i'll start a flamewar since i have pretty strong opinions on the subject | 16:02 |
| * tgm4883 just wants netflix,amazon vod, vudu, etc | 16:06 | |
| h00k | Hey all. Question about this...Is it going to be possibly to nicely play an existing media library? (videos, music, etc) | 16:07 |
| tgm4883 | h00k, yes? | 16:07 |
| tgm4883 | I'm not sure what you mean by that | 16:07 |
| h00k | tgm4883: okay. rather than just things on services like netflix, etc, etc. | 16:07 |
| tgm4883 | yes | 16:07 |
| h00k | Like, "Oh, you have some stuff on your network in a share (mtp, whatever), you can play that too!) | 16:07 |
| h00k | I mixed my " and ) :( | 16:08 |
| tgm4883 | from the screenshots/demos, you should have been able to see that you could play things like recorded content and such | 16:08 |
| h00k | also, are things...say you "purchase" something, is it downloadable, or must it stream from $source? | 16:08 |
| tgm4883 | I didn't pay attention, but I bet there was music and picture lenses as well | 16:08 |
| tgm4883 | h00k, that would depend on the content provider I would assume | 16:09 |
| h00k | tgm4883: yeah, I didn't notice, I should check again. | 16:09 |
| tgm4883 | whether they allow you to download it or stream it only | 16:09 |
| h00k | I see amusic note lens, yes, I'll assume music as well | 16:09 |
| h00k | Also, there's the 'record' feature, 'tivo' like recording of shows? Will they be playable on other things, or will they be DRM'd? | 16:11 |
| tgm4883 | Unknown at this point | 16:12 |
| h00k | Gotcha. | 16:12 |
| tgm4883 | I'm writing a scope for mythtv, and whatever is recorded on that can be played anywhere | 16:12 |
| h00k | avi or some matroska container or something cool. | 16:13 |
| tgm4883 | depends on the tuner | 16:13 |
| tgm4883 | whether it's nuv, mpg, avi, etc | 16:13 |
| h00k | Cool. okay. | 16:14 |
| Saviq | h00k, again, it depends on the provider - if we just go for <put_your_local_receiver_here>, be it DVB-{C,T,S}{,+,2} | 16:15 |
| Saviq | and a CI for your provider's CAM | 16:15 |
| Saviq | then I can't imagine applying any DRM on top of the recordings | 16:15 |
| Saviq | but if we produce a TV for a specific provider, they might require us to lock down the recordings | 16:16 |
| tgm4883 | Saviq, I'm not sure how well that would fly with mythtv. IIRC the MythTV team wants to stay pretty far from anything CI/CAM related | 16:16 |
| tgm4883 | wagnerrp, could probably talk more about that as he's on the mythtv team. I just know enough about it that we've banned it in our (mythbuntu) forum and IRC channel | 16:17 |
| tgm4883 | of course, I could be mixing things up with that | 16:17 |
| wagnerrp | thats not the case | 16:17 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, they've banned _soft_ cam | 16:18 |
| * tgm4883 sits corrected | 16:18 | |
| Saviq | they can't really ban hardware CAMs as that's... well, hardware | 16:18 |
| wagnerrp | mythtv has no problems using cablecard (when cablecard will work with us) | 16:18 |
| tgm4883 | ah I was mixing the two then | 16:18 |
| wagnerrp | and will happily do the necessary prodding to activate hardware CAMs when available | 16:18 |
| Saviq | and the "proper" way to get access to otherwise protected content | 16:18 |
| wagnerrp | it just doesnt get much use, since i dont believe anyone on the dev team is currently using a CAM | 16:18 |
| tgm4883 | wagnerrp, the only issue then is that it still needs to be marked copy freely? | 16:18 |
| wagnerrp | for cablecard, yes | 16:19 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, that's simply because using soft cams, at least historically - not so much now - allowed you to access content you didn't pay for | 16:19 |
| wagnerrp | for CI, there is no such thing, as CI is not a DRM scheme | 16:19 |
| wagnerrp | CI+ is... i dont know where we stand in regards to supporting CI+ | 16:19 |
| wagnerrp | right, what Saviq said | 16:19 |
| wagnerrp | that has changed now? | 16:19 |
| Saviq | wagnerrp, soft cams? | 16:20 |
| wagnerrp | "not so much now" | 16:20 |
| Saviq | yeah, most protocols now are fixed enough to basically prevent that | 16:20 |
| Saviq | as far as I know, at least | 16:20 |
| Saviq | the only use I have for sasc-ng is a "poor man's cam", which simply gives me the ability to not pay big bucks for the CI and CAM | 16:21 |
| Saviq | still pay the fees | 16:21 |
| Saviq | and anyway that's only possible with select providers | 16:21 |
| Saviq | most providers just give you locked down stb + card | 16:21 |
| Saviq | so you can't use anything apart from that pair | 16:22 |
| Saviq | so no mythtv, no ubuntutv will help you in that case - you're stuck with the stb the provider gives you | 16:22 |
| * tgm4883 uses an STB and HDPVR | 16:22 | |
| tgm4883 | it's less than ideal, but it gets the job done | 16:23 |
| wagnerrp | what a reversal from a couple years ago, where EU users could use CAMs and US digital cable users were pretty much screwed | 16:23 |
| wagnerrp | although if youve got time warner, youre still screwed | 16:24 |
| wagnerrp | :) | 16:24 |
| Saviq | wagnerrp, it's going to change again, I think, as more and more TVs come with built-in CIs, even DVB-S/S2 | 16:26 |
| Saviq | and a box that can get 4 CAMs these days is el-cheapo | 16:26 |
| Saviq | they will have to rethink their strategy, /methinks | 16:27 |
| wagnerrp | Saviq: except arent most switching to CI+? | 16:27 |
| Saviq | or /mehopes | 16:27 |
| Saviq | wagnerrp, dunno, but still, if you can use a single box to get access to several providers' content in a unified manner | 16:27 |
| Saviq | that's a huge win than 3 separate boxes, remotes, whatnot | 16:27 |
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