/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/01/19/#ubuntu-uk.txt

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hoovermorning all06:58
AlanBellmorning08:02
TheOpenSourcerermorning08:04
czajkowskialoha08:07
daubersMorning08:18
czajkowskidaubers: http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/minister-considering-broadcasting-charge-whether-you-have-a-tv-or-not-536421.html08:23
czajkowskiis how Ireland plans to deal with the tv fee08:23
shaunojumping straight from fees lost to evasion, to charging people who don't have TVs, seems like a bit of a wild leap08:25
czajkowskinods08:25
czajkowskibut in some ways it's true, many people dont have tvs have laptops now and watch stuff via it08:26
shaunoso now I need a laptop license :)08:28
daubersczajkowski: Meh. I have no argument with the licence fee, just with the way it's enforced08:33
shaunoI'm no fan of the license fee here.  the value returned on it seems incredibly low.08:35
shaunoI can see the cultural value to tg4, but the main value of RTE seems to be to make sure that you can still watching Neighbours if you don't receive the bbc by other means08:42
daubersWhat do people recommend in terms of forum software these days?08:47
swat_daubers: google groups? :)08:50
daubersswat_: I've been told by someone that they want a forum and not just google groups08:51
daubersIt's been specifically specified08:51
oimonphpbb comes with lots of nice sql injection features09:20
oimonhandy if you forget your password09:21
bigcalm_lappyGood morning meeps09:27
oimonMEEP!09:29
oimonmy son's favourite word09:30
christel:D09:30
oimonshame about Kodak, couldn't adapt to the market09:32
oimonmaybe they could have injected their cash pile into making cheap and easy 3d printers for homes rather than switching from photography to inkjet printers09:32
occupy64kAs companies get bigger and more successful they also become less adaptive09:33
DJonesoimon: My favourite word at the minute rhymes with "meep" Its sleep09:33
oimonneep is a character from abney and teal, a wonderful programme09:33
tonytigerAlanBell: is this happy hour happening tonight?09:34
* bigcalm_lappy waves bye bye to London09:35
JamesTaitGood day, all. :)09:55
bigcalm_lappyLike that this train is zipping though stations without stopping09:57
swat_daubers: no idea, just need one that's regularly maintained presumably10:02
brobostigongood morning everyone,10:16
bigcalm_lappyMorning over there10:18
christelmorning pretties10:18
brobostigonmorning bigcalm_lappy and christel10:20
doet@search paleo10:21
* bigcalm_lappy curls up and hides from the world10:21
bigcalm_lappyLast night was good10:21
christelwhat did you do bigcalm_lappy10:21
bigcalm_lappychristel: drank and had yummy curry10:21
christelah :)10:22
* bigcalm_lappy gives up trying to do work10:23
christelhaha10:24
* s-fox just gives up, full stop10:24
s-fox:D10:24
christelaww10:25
Myrttiwhy do all the nice jobs that I want to apply for need to be somewhere far away? I don't want to move to Belfast10:29
Myrttieven Glasgow is a bit far10:29
Myrtti;___;10:30
ubuntubhoyGlasgow is the centre of the universe10:30
occupy64kEverything happens in Glasgow.  The rest is just virtual.10:30
d3ngar Hi, I am getting the error message 'Not allowed' when trying to access a USB memory stick10:32
d3ngarI am running 11.1010:32
d3ngarAny ideas?10:32
jpdsHmm.10:38
gordonjcpd3ngar: "Not allowed" doesn't sound like the full error message10:40
gordonjcpd3ngar: can you give us the error message verbatim?10:40
gordonjcpMyrtti: Glasgow's quite good10:46
d3ngargordonjcp: I'm afraid I don't see anything else in Nautilus10:47
d3ngar"Unable to mount DATABAR Not authorized10:47
d3ngarI am member of the plugdev group10:48
Myrttigordonjcp: yeah, I don't doubt that, I'd move there in a heartbeat if I were alone10:48
ubuntubhoymove to East Ren and the schools are also top notch10:48
ubuntubhoyshort commute to city centre10:49
directhexso... n910:51
christeli have never been to glasgow :s10:54
daubersBeen to glasgow a coulpe of times. Reinforced my "I hate cities" thinking10:54
christelhehe10:55
christeli am not a big fan of cities10:55
ubuntubhoycities are wonderful fantastic places10:55
christeli'd rather have acres of land, a farmhouse in the middle of nowhere and no neighbours :)10:56
ubuntubhoywhere else can you get mugged for a fish supper but in a city10:56
Myrttishould go to Edinburgh to dig up some more information about BF's family history11:03
oimondrove through glasgow once. we locked the doors11:04
gordonjcpchristel: stick "G66 1RS" into gooooooooogle maps11:04
smittixDoes everyone here use Ubuntu as their default system?11:04
oimonsmittix: most, i'd guess11:05
occupy64kfor desktop, yes11:05
gordonjcpchristel: that's actually dropping the pin about 100m up from my house11:05
* christel tickles sladen 11:05
christelgordonjcp: ooh11:05
gordonjcpsmittix: I do now11:06
smittixCool, Was just wondering. I Was having a conversation in Fedora. It appeared that most of them actually used a different os as their default.11:08
smittixMainly Windows.11:08
gordonjcpheh11:09
gordonjcpI'm split about 50/50 between Ubuntu and Arch11:09
smittixI haven't tried Arch yet.11:10
gordonjcpwith other weird outliers like Haiku as appropriate11:10
smittixI have been using Fedora for past week though.11:10
oimonarch doesn't exist11:10
smittixHaiku is nice.11:10
oimonit's a virtual OS quoted by internet trolls11:10
smittixHEH11:10
popeymorning ratfans11:11
popeyif anyone is on 12.04 could you please confirm bug 914354 ?11:12
lubotu3Error: Launchpad bug 914354 could not be found11:12
popeywhut11:12
gordonjcppopey: evidently not11:12
* popey unmarks as private11:12
popeybasically install magicicada and try to run it, it faails to start11:12
oimonyes popey11:16
gordbuh 914353411:17
gordbug 914353411:17
lubotu3Error: Launchpad bug 9143534 could not be found11:17
gordstupid bot11:17
gordlet me be lazy11:17
gordbug 91453411:17
lubotu3Error: Launchpad bug 914534 could not be found11:17
oimoni voted it11:18
gordbug 91435411:18
lubotu3Launchpad bug 914354 in magicicada (Ubuntu) "magicicada crashed with ImportError in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/magicicada/dbusiface.py: No module named tools" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91435411:18
oimonhowever i never used it before11:18
gordits for ubuntu one users11:18
gordi noticed it being crashy the other day11:18
oimoncould be useful11:18
gordthat kind of bug is what you get when you use python though =\11:19
popeyits for you to see what files are currently syncing11:19
popeytis handy11:19
davmor2morning all11:22
davmor2czajkowski: prodings11:22
gordits mostly handy because i still don't trust u1 to actually do things ;)11:22
gordmorning davmor211:22
davmor2gord: shame on you hang your head in shame right this very moment11:23
gordno >:(11:23
gordonjcpoh, wait, I'm not on 12.04 on my laptop yet11:24
davmor2gord: how will you know if it will or won't if you don't try it and then report bugs on the things that don't work11:24
gorddavmor2, eh? i use u1 all day long11:24
davmor2gord: so how can you not trust it to do stuff11:26
gorddavmor2, because sometimes it doesn't work for whatever reason11:26
davmor2I get locks from time to time but I just kick till it works :)11:27
davmor2and now thunderbird decides to start crashing11:28
gordi'm always on dev releases so i get a lot of problems, sometimes its just really slow11:28
davmor2gord: ah that's true I forgot about that, I have test boxes and main is stable11:29
smittix12.04 any good? I haven't gotten round to trying it yet.11:29
Myrttioh man, Spotify stopped working because of flash :-(11:29
smittix:/11:29
MyrttiI is not happy11:29
d3ngarI also have a very annoying issue with Tomboy notes11:30
d3ngarI really have a lot of notes there and synced with Ubuntu One11:30
d3ngarBut for some reason I now get sync errors on two of my machiens, so I don't have the notes available11:31
d3ngarIs there something I can do?11:31
czajkowskid3ngar: have you asked in #ubuntuone11:32
czajkowskivery helpful folks there who may be able to help you11:32
d3ngarczarjkowski: thanks, I shall11:32
* christel hugs czajkowski 11:33
czajkowskid3ngar: np11:33
czajkowskichristel: hello darling11:33
christelhow art thou? :)11:33
czajkowskinot bad now my dear.11:36
gordonjcppopey: I don't know if it affects me or not, I can reproduce the error but I don't use magicicada ;-)11:36
czajkowskivirgin media are being a bit special this mornig11:36
czajkowski*morning11:36
christelczajkowski: are you off the pain meds since surgery? :)11:36
* daubers orders some tea11:36
christeli dreamt of adam sweet last night, it was very odd11:36
czajkowskiyes more or less, still at night due to tossing and turning and trying not to anoying the back11:36
christel*nod*11:37
czajkowskibut a massive reduction alright11:37
czajkowskineed to sort out physio though11:37
christeldidn't your surgeon refer you yet?11:40
czajkowskihe did to guys but got it swapped to st.thomas as it's literally next door to me here11:40
czajkowskibut said no physio till maybe week 3 or week 411:41
czajkowskiand still no sitting for longer than 20 mins till week 5/611:41
christelaaah11:41
czajkowskichristel: pelvis is still tilted so need to get that bit fixed11:47
czajkowskiand phsyio should fix that11:47
christel*nod*11:47
MangoBoy hi. Hope you all are well. Automatic connect does'n't work on my mobile broadband connection in network manager. What can i do?11:53
MangoBoyI have asked at #nm but no one answers there11:53
gordonjcpwhat does it do?11:55
davmor2MangoBoy: enable it for auto connect,  click on n-m applet click on edit connections and then mobile connections and then the setup you have click on edit and check the box for autoconnect?11:55
MangoBoyI have done that11:55
davmor2 MangoBoy I'd say it was a bug then that normally is all you have to do :(11:56
MangoBoy i have had it like this for months.. i'm just tired to have to grab the mouse to get online everytime11:56
MangoBoycould ther be a comand to use in an script to call11:57
MangoBoy??11:57
davmor2MangoBoy: report a bug against it11:57
MangoBoyok11:57
davmor2MangoBoy: or check if there is already a bug and it might have a solution in it11:58
MangoBoyok11:58
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j0nrany JPGraph experts?12:46
oimonhow should i interpret this call trace? http://pastebin.com/h7d9i3HY12:57
smittixbah bad day today13:11
smittixSome moron is trying to bruteforce our FTP13:28
jpdsSomeone's still using FTP.13:29
smittixHEH13:29
DJonesSheesh, filling in an ecommerce survey, "What percentage of staff had internet access" = 100%, next question "What percentage did not have internet access"......Erm... Surely they could work that out13:31
Laneyput 1% and see what happens13:32
DJonesHeh13:32
DJonesAnd...3 Questions further on..."Did the business have internet access"13:33
shauno"no, we only employed people with smartphones"13:34
DJonesThere's a question about that as well13:34
shauno*thunk*13:35
gordhrm, kdenlive is really pretty good, very impressed13:35
smittixDoes anyone else get Encryption errors on boot?14:16
smittixIm using 11.1014:16
shonknick shonk|home14:41
smittixheh14:48
tim__hello14:54
nothingspecialhello tim__14:55
oimonanyone heard of itunesU ? seems to be a universirty version of itunes for distributing lectures and podcasts?14:58
smittixNot heard of that one.14:59
nothingspecialThe Open University use normal iTunes, or it did15:01
bigcalmI do wish the new version of spotify with apps 'n wotnot would get released soon. Tried their .deb and it failed for me. Need something more stable15:02
* bigcalm ponders wine15:02
danfish_I'll have a beer if you are offering bigcalm ;)15:04
danfish_and afternoon all15:05
* bigcalm acquires coffee15:05
christelcoffee is not wine you know15:05
bigcalmchristel: I really really want to go to sleep. Wine would tip me over the edge I fear15:06
davmor2christel: You misunderstood him he meant to say whine15:06
bigcalmLondon is a real drain upon the mind and soul15:06
davmor2christel: ^ see15:06
christelhehe15:06
bigcalmOh yes, I whine a lot about wine15:06
christeldavmor2: ah, he always whines15:06
bigcalmdavmor2: I hope the cafe has improved its menu ready for Thursday. The burger is good, but I miss that garlic bread15:07
davmor2hahaha15:07
bigcalmchristel: I'm a whino15:07
smittixbigcalm: How are you installing Spotify now? via their repo?15:07
bigcalmdavmor2: It is a week today, right?15:07
bigcalmsmittix: yes15:08
davmor2bigcalm: it is 26th15:08
christelwhat happens a week today15:08
christeland why haven't i been invited15:08
davmor2all booked and ready to rock and er rolla15:08
bigcalmdavmor2: so yes15:08
bigcalmchristel: please come!!15:08
bigcalmWolverhampton work place day15:08
christelwhere? what? when? who? whaaaa15:08
christelooh15:08
christel(what on earth is that?)15:08
bigcalmHaha15:09
davmor2christel: Co-working space15:09
christelaah15:09
bigcalmSome of us work from home types meet up once a month to work in the same room15:09
christelaw that is so sweet15:09
bigcalmI go for the red-head spotting15:09
christelhaha15:09
davmor2christel: what amazes me without fail is we all manage to go home in one piece at the end of it :D15:10
christelhaha15:10
bigcalmIt's usually a very unproductive day for me15:10
bigcalmBut it's worth it to get out of the house and see humans15:11
christelhehe15:11
tim__i come on no one talking come back from ciggy break and everyone is talking :D15:11
* smittix hides15:12
bigcalmchristel: join us ;)15:13
christelbigcalm: but i'd get no work done!15:13
christel:P15:13
bigcalmdavmor2: can we get any more Canonical reprobates to come?15:13
davmor2mrevell: are you coming this time? 26th?15:13
christelis it just the two of you? :p15:14
christelaww i like matthew15:14
christelhe is cute15:14
bigcalmaquarius: are you coming this time? 26th?15:14
mrevelldavmor2, Checking my calendar15:14
mrevellHello christel :)15:14
davmor2christel: Nope there are about 4-515:14
christelheya mrevell! ;)15:14
bigcalmchristel: the 1st one was just me and davmor215:14
bigcalmI bet davmor2 was glad that I turned up15:14
mrevelldavmor2, I have one call in the afternoon. I could probably handle that, though. It's the day after my birthday.15:15
mrevell:)15:15
davmor2bigcalm: and the redhead don't forget the red head :D15:15
mrevelldavmor2, Yeah, I should be there.15:15
davmor2yay!15:15
bigcalmdavmor2: I doubt she noticed me :P15:15
christeli think it's quite nifty15:15
christelthat you do that15:15
bigcalmmrevell: yay, well done :)15:15
christelbecause i totally suffer from cabin fever now and again being one of these working from home people15:16
bigcalmYep15:16
mrevellIt can be cabin fevery, certainly. We've started using Google Hangouts, with webcams, quite a bit lately and it has actually helped.15:16
bigcalmGoing to London yesterday was quite a shock to my system, but really glad it happened15:16
gordtis a fun day for the entire family15:16
bigcalmo.O15:16
bigcalmThe Canonical family?15:17
davmor2christel: Your more than welcome to come but it might be a trek for you Only one train from London to Wolvo :)15:17
AlanBelltonytiger: I have failed to get my act together for an organised happy hour as such15:19
davmor2AlanBell: I can possibly sort one out for next month now the dust is settling again15:20
bigcalm\o/15:20
christelAlanBell: is this the southampton one? :)15:21
AlanBellyeah15:22
AlanBellI am in Portsmouth right now15:22
christelaah15:23
bigcalmAlanBell: seen any sailors?15:23
Davieymrevell: yeah, keep seeing you hangout.. and tempted to jump in, saying "suprise!"15:23
mrevellhaha15:24
mrevellIt's all mostly relevant to you, actually Daviey15:25
AlanBellbigcalm: I have not said "hello sailor" all day15:26
bigcalmAlanBell: it must be a struggle not to get it out of the system15:27
Davieymrevell: right, but jumping in whilst just wearing a dicky bow and doc martins wouldn't go down well?15:27
mrevellhaha15:28
Davieyaquarius quits in disgust.15:30
mrevellHe's just gone to buy himself a dickie bow.15:30
bigcalmHeh15:30
bigcalmJust realised that I haven't had lunch15:32
bigcalmOh bum15:32
bigcalmPot noodle!15:32
* popey tickles Daviey 15:34
Davieystop it, you.15:35
* popey tickles aquarius 15:35
* bigcalm kippers popey15:36
Laneymy word15:40
czajkowskievening chaparoos15:44
czajkowskiI'd like to say watching movies onmovie player is a good experience, it's just not15:46
czajkowskiit's now just not playing some .avi clips for some unkown reason randomly15:46
bigcalmczajkowski: will vlc play the files that movie player won't?15:49
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directhexgst-launch playbin2 uri=file:///path/to/file15:50
directhexsince totem is gstreamer-based, that's more diagnostic than a completely different player15:51
czajkowskibigcalm: yup and no issues15:52
bigcalmczajkowski: aye, I've had that as well with some files15:52
bigcalmWhich is why I've made vlc the default for nearly everything15:52
popeybug 1866115:54
lubotu3Launchpad bug 18661 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Temporary /tmp on a tmpfs" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1866115:54
smittixAnyone had any luck getting itunes to work in a VM?15:55
popeyyes, slowly15:56
smittixI hate my iPhone15:56
bigcalmsmittix: there are alternatives15:56
nothingspecialsmittix, yep15:56
nothingspecialwhat's the matter?15:57
smittixI tried on a Win7 VM but it was complaining about a driver or something.15:57
smittixI'll try again this evening15:57
nothingspecialWorking fine here15:58
smittixAll i want to do is put a TV Show on it.15:58
nothingspecialI prefer watching tv on my tv :p16:00
smittixI have a Wife who likes watching crap16:01
smittixheh16:01
DJonessmittix: +116:01
nothingspecialme too16:01
nothingspecialI have one with an iphone, the only reason I have the VM16:02
smittixahh16:02
nothingspecialShe should wat ch the nonsense on the iphone16:02
nothingspecialThen I can watch propper tv :)16:03
smittixI might swap my iPhone for a samsung galaxy s2. I just need to read up on them before i do.16:03
DJonessmittix: Did you see this? http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/samsung-galaxy-s3-leaked-by-samsung-50006698/16:03
* nothingspecial bought an £8.99 phone from tesco16:03
czajkowskiaquarius: did you sort out the SSD laptop ?16:03
aquariusczajkowski, yeah -- is not ssd16:04
smittixDJones: Interesting.16:04
aquariushad to go out and spend money on a new hdd, dammit16:04
aquariusstill, the machine is now running ubuntu. ;)16:04
czajkowskiaquarius: I was about to offer you one :/16:04
bigcalmYay Ubuntu16:05
bigcalmI've had to put the HDD back in my laptop so I can be productive with it. 12.04 isn't ready for my ageing laptop16:05
popeyoooh16:06
* czajkowski hugs popey 16:06
bigcalmAaah?16:06
popeyjust a little bit16:06
bigcalm\o/16:07
czajkowskipopey: bigcalm now I have this song in my head http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIw3BtSPHtI16:08
popeymission accomplished16:08
Laneyif this is Gina G...16:09
Laneyoh, much better16:09
czajkowskiLaney: oi I've taste you know16:09
czajkowskiI can see an eveing of Ub40 on now16:09
smittixClaim to fame - My mates brother is the keyboard player in UB40.16:12
czajkowskismittix: sweet16:12
czajkowskilove them16:12
czajkowskihabe now got the promises and lies album on16:12
smittixWhat's your favourite song?16:12
czajkowskihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUur_LS0s5g16:13
czajkowskithat16:13
gordonjcpsmittix: nice16:14
bigcalmThe lady who introduced me to joints, in the village I grew up in, her brother wrote and performed the music for Tomb Raider16:14
smittixczajkowski: Mine - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCGcljqOSW016:15
gordonjcpI explained to Shawn Rudiman how to modify an Alesis HR16 drum machine to have custom sample chips16:15
czajkowskinice16:15
smittixAnd Groovin' for a summer song. heh16:16
czajkowskihmm wonder where is the cheapest place to get a once off digital picture printed16:19
smittixI really need to get round to enabling num lock on boot.16:35
czajkowskihmmm my notification email doesnt seem to work on this machine16:36
czajkowskiit was nice when it changed colour16:37
gordi wish i had just one tape measure i didn't ruin by playing with it all day every day17:15
bigcalmDo I or don't I and will it get ICS? http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/mobile-phones/MOTOROLA-XOOM-WI-FI17:27
MartijnVdSbigcalm: You will17:27
MartijnVdSbigcalm: and if you don't you can flash US firmware into it and still get it17:28
MartijnVdS(like I did.. Dutch firmware is always 6 months behind)17:28
MartijnVdS(this is all about getting ICS)17:28
bigcalmMartijnVdS: a good tablet?17:28
MartijnVdSbigcalm: awesome17:28
bigcalmGood price tag?17:28
MartijnVdSI got ICS this morning17:28
MartijnVdS£249 looks good17:28
MartijnVdSThey're £83 more expensive here in .nl17:29
davmor2bigcalm: great tablet I can bring mine on thursday + it will get ICS eventually17:29
bigcalmOoo17:29
MartijnVdSdavmor2: today is Thurs17:29
bigcalmThe main thing is that it's capable of ICS (my N1 isn't for instance)17:30
bigcalmMartijnVdS, davmor2: what do you use your xooms for? I still need to justify getting one to myself17:30
MartijnVdSI use it for (dutch equiv of iplayer) and Wordfeud17:30
MartijnVdSand youtube videos17:30
bigcalmThe cheapo tablet I bought I hardly use except for mobile dev now and then17:31
bigcalmFront facing camera?17:31
MartijnVdSworks fine17:31
davmor2bigcalm: games, web brawsing, kindle app, linux news app, twitter, g+, facebook feeds, youtube.............17:31
jutnuxI use my tablet for Skype video chats sometimes.17:31
jutnuxAs well as Facebook, G+, youtube, internet, Aldiko and Minecraft <317:32
MartijnVdSjutnux: I have a Kindle, so aldiko is useless to me :)17:32
jutnuxMartijnVdS: I don't know whether to get one or not.17:32
jutnuxI mean, they're good, but my tablet can do it all except have an e-ink display.17:33
bigcalmI also have a kindle, which is relaxing upon my eyes for reading17:33
davmor2bigcalm: indeed I only use it as I don't have a kindle wifey does so I can see the difference17:33
davmor2kindle is much kinder but you asked what I used it for :)17:34
bigcalmdavmor2: indeed, and thank you :)17:35
davmor2bigcalm: as I say I'll bring it with on thursday you can have a play17:35
bigcalmdavmor2: I dunno if I can keep myself from not buying it now - not sure if the price will stay put for a week17:36
davmor2bigcalm: http://www.xoomforums.com/forum/motorola-xoom-news/14046-media-confirmation-ics-update-rolling-out-motorola-wifi-xoom-tablets.html17:37
davmor2when is another matter it is motorola after all :)17:37
davmor2bigcalm: the thing that impressed me the most is the fact that using it on and off for 3days it still had battery power :)17:40
bigcalmHeh17:40
bigcalm"You cannot back order this item because we are experiencing temporary stock problems. Please remove this item from the basket before continuing"17:42
bigcalmArse17:42
jutnuxWhat are you backordering?17:42
jutnuxI just ordered a £4 microphone from Amazon as I must Skype more.17:42
Myrttimgdm: the bug you retweeted doesn't affect any version of Ubuntu :-P17:44
mgdmMyrtti: good to hear :)17:44
jutnuxWhat's your twitter mgdm & Myrtti17:44
jutnux?17:44
Myrttiwe're using ol^C^Cstable version of xorg :-P17:45
Myrttijutnux: the answer is so simple you get no points or cookies for guessing right17:45
jutnuxAh17:45
* jutnux follows17:46
Myrttiand now you can actually follow me since my profile has been public for a few months17:47
Myrttiyay?17:47
czajkowskiI wanna cookie17:48
czajkowskichristel: how's that bake fest coming clong17:48
* davmor2 spams czajkowski so she gets a new webcookie17:51
* czajkowski hugs davmor2 17:52
davmor2czajkowski: pleasure I can spam you any time you want a new cookie :)17:53
christelczajkowski: hehe it's not! i have no free time!17:58
czajkowskihow about cup cakes and butter icing17:59
czajkowskiI'll come and visit!17:59
christeli made cupcakes on tuesday :P17:59
christeland bread! but then i got too busy to do anymore baking17:59
davmor2czajkowski: you mean you couldn't smell them?18:00
christelon which token i am actually behind schedule and should make a start on dinner before the boys come home18:00
s-foxGoodbye.18:11
MartijnVdSDoes anyone here play Wordfeud?19:10
gordused to19:14
* MartijnVdS noticed almost everyone was playing it on the train today19:15
gordmaybe they were friends and were playing against each other?19:17
MartijnVdSthey had lots of friends then19:18
MartijnVdSall around several tran\ins19:18
gordwoo found a bug in precice19:24
gordthe default dictionary thinks "Monday" is spelt wrong19:24
gord(i don't think it is)19:24
MartijnVdSewps19:25
AlanBellthe silicon chip inside it's brain is switched to overload19:31
MartijnVdSAlanBell: it's gonna shoot the whole day down?19:34
MartijnVdSshould I run away from my laptop19:35
AlanBell!info python-pymssql19:49
lubotu3python-pymssql (source: pymssql): Python database access for MS SQL server and Sybase. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.2+dfsg-1build1 (oneiric), package size 41 kB, installed size 212 kB19:49
AlanBellanyone got access to a Microsoft SQL server box they can test a precise package against?20:29
MartijnVdSAlanBell: if you have a windows box, you can download a free version of mssql20:30
MartijnVdSwith limited concurrent users I think20:30
MartijnVdSor tiny dat aallowance20:31
AlanBellyeah, I have tested it already, I want someone to confirm it20:31
AlanBellbug 91889620:34
lubotu3Launchpad bug 918896 in pymssql (Ubuntu) "returns no data from SQL server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91889620:34
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RhysMorganHey, can anyone tell me if there is a command i can use to list grub style hd addresses i.e. hd0,0?20:38
AlanBellRhysMorgan: you can tab complete things in grub20:39
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RhysMorganIt literally tab's when i press tab in the grub prompt20:40
RhysMorgan:S20:40
RhysMorganmy problem is, a hasty contractor was in a while back and retired some old servers but his idea of a p2v was a dd into a img file and now the servers won;t boot because there is no hd0,020:42
RhysMorganThis may be stupid but i'm going to throw it out there, the disk used to be /dev/hda and now it's /dev/vda do that mean root (hd0,0) become root (vd0,0) ?20:46
AlanBellRhysMorgan: I just got to grub in a virtualbox VM and went to the command line20:51
AlanBellreally really odd, but tab completion tells me it is root (hd0,msdos1)20:52
AlanBellthis VM has never been anywhere near windows20:52
TheOpenSourcererRhysMorgan: hda in grub speak is hd0. hda1 would be hd0,020:52
TheOpenSourcererAnd grub always (used to at least) use hd0 for any kind of disk: sda,hda etc...20:53
RhysMorganTheOpenSourcerer: I will try without the comma delimit20:54
AlanBellmy grub entry is   set root='(hd0,msdos1)'20:54
TheOpenSourcereryou should be able to type hd<tab> to see what drives grub can see, then use tab again after the first number and comma.20:55
smittixnothingspecial: Was it a Windows 7 VM you were running iTunes in?20:57
RhysMorganhttp://i42.tinypic.com/kcb0nt.png   :(20:58
Myrttieh21:12
MyrttiI've installed my Ubuntu to have UK English everything and still libreoffice has everything in US settings?21:12
Myrttimeh.21:12
popeybug 91892821:46
lubotu3Launchpad bug 918928 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Display fades too quickly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91892821:46
popeyanyone else find that?21:46
gordcan't say i've noticed it21:47
gordcan you not just change that?21:47
popeyhow?21:52
popeythere is no dialog to change it21:53
popeyits just a tickbox to dim when idle21:53
gordright, but that should just dim the backlight surely21:54
gordi thought you meant the monitor turns off21:54
gord10 seconds or so is about what i expect for a backlight dim21:54
popeythats way too short21:55
popeytry reading a news story on bbc.co.uk21:55
gordi just increase the brightness manually if i really need it to be bright21:55
popeymine is at full brightness21:56
popeyit dims after 10 seconds21:56
popey10 seconds is not 'idle'21:56
gordthe wording is actually just "dim screen to save power"21:57
gordat any rate, no one will really see it there, maybe take it to gnomes bugzilla?21:57
gordthough last time i took anything power related there the answer was "your wasting power"21:58
j0nrevening22:01
j0nrhmm, I have set up SSH before, but I just can't get it to work tonight.22:02
j0nrI have modified my config to connect on a different port (restarted ssh), installed noip2 to managed my ip, set up a rule in my router to forward that port to the right ip on my lan.... but when trying to connect (using my phone so I am connecting from outside my lan) it just times out....22:03
j0nrwhat have I missed?22:03
j0nrhmm, ok I think it is just a problem with noip22:11
j0nreven though on the website, it is saying it is updated and shows the correct ip addy, it just times out if I try and connect with the IP it works..22:11
Supermanintightshey guys22:13
Supermanintightswhat's the syntax for copy/paste through terminal?22:13
popeySupermanintights: ctrl+shift+c and ctrl+shift+v22:16
Supermanintightssorry - i meant to copy files/folders through terminal22:17
Supermanintightsi've just plugged a usb harddrive in, and want to copy folders from there to my HDD22:17
Supermanintights!copy22:18
mgdmSupermanintights: cp -rv /media/DRIVE_NAME/folder /home/whereever/you/want22:18
mgdmyou'll need to fiddle those about a bit, your HD is probably under /media22:19
Supermanintightsgreat22:19
Supermanintightsmy internal hdd is on a separate partition - Drive D:\ - not the partition ubuntu is installed on22:19
Supermanintightshow do I find out the drive name - it's only showing "My Book" in the browser22:19
j0nrhmm ok, I changed "Port 22" to a different number in /etc/ssh/sshd_config22:20
j0nrthen sudo service ssh restart22:20
j0nralso /etc/init.d/ssh restart22:20
j0nrbut netstat says it is still listening on 22 ?22:20
j0nractualy netstat does not show ssh22:21
bigcalmmgdm: you're alive, help!22:21
Myrttij0nr: sshd then?22:22
bigcalmob_end_clean() and zlib don't like each other. The whole application needs zlib otherwise it's a silly size to refresh. But generating xlsx files means that I need zlib turned off before ob_end_clean() will work. I'm scratching my head on this one22:23
j0nrMyrtti: hmm, working now.. I think there were too many instances running, killed them all and started fresh ssh and now it works :)22:23
mgdmbigcalm: sod the lot of it and use mod_deflate in apache to do your gzipping22:24
mgdmbigcalm: don't get PHP to do it, 'cos it's not very good at it22:24
bigcalmmgdm: I would if I had that level of access to the client's server22:24
mgdmHmmm22:24
mgdmnot sure, then, unless you flip it atround and only enable it explicitly on the bits you want22:25
bigcalmHumm22:26
bigcalmThere's really only one section of the site that needs it (a 60x365 js laden table). 5mb without compression22:27
mgdmjings22:27
bigcalmIt's the most cycle intensive site we have to maintain22:28
mgdmcould you try to enable mod_deflate in an .htaccess?22:28
bigcalmIt would still need to exist on the server though, right?22:28
mgdmIt's quite a common thing to have22:28
mgdmmight be worth a blast22:28
bigcalmI see. Deflate per contentType22:29
mgdmYup22:29
bigcalmWorks locally22:30
bigcalmFingers crossed that it works on the production server22:30
dogmatic69anyone with a bit of mysql knowledge? what is the biggest query mysql will take?22:32
dogmatic69im doing a multi insert and dont want to send to much22:32
mgdmdogmatic69: depends on the max_packet_size of the server22:32
mgdmor whatever the variable's called22:33
dogmatic69ah22:33
dogmatic69i think that is 2mb or something, will try find it22:33
mgdmthere's also a maximum sensible size to send in a multi-insert22:33
dogmatic6916mb max, should be fine22:35
dogmatic69mgdm: really?22:35
dogmatic69what would that be?22:35
mgdmI can't remember22:36
mgdmI read an article which told me that tehre's a maximum size and a most-efficient size22:36
mgdmThat might've been my copy of High Performance MySQL, though22:36
dogmatic69im looking at doing about 6mb to 10mb insert22:37
AlanBellthe mysql limit is pretty huge, but the phpmyadmin upload limit would be the php.ini max upload size22:37
dogmatic69+- 100k rows or so22:37
dogmatic69this is in php code22:37
mgdmthat's not a dramatically large number of rows22:38
mgdmhow big are the rows?22:38
mgdmlots of big columns, or...?22:38
AlanBellwhatever the database, you can do a mysqldump of it and then pipe that back into mysql, I am not aware of any limits with that22:40
mgdmI get the impression tath wouldn't be possible in this case22:40
mgdmI think he's generating the data in code22:40
dogmatic69AlanBell: good thinking.. i might try write it to file and use mysql dump22:40
dogmatic69that is real fast22:41
mgdmNo it ain't :( but for 6mb it's probably quick enough22:41
dogmatic69mgdm: I have used mysql dump on csv files of 500mb+ and it took a few seconds22:41
AlanBellI think the biggest I have done is 14GB22:41
Myrttiooh ooh22:42
Myrttihttp://phandroid.com/2012/01/19/archos-smart-home-phone-now-available-in-the-uk/22:42
AlanBellwhich wasn't real data, it was a database with a big problem22:42
popeywhy does my ssh client hang and then when i press a button it catches up?22:42
Supermanintightsguys - how long should a partition resize of 15gb take? it's been going on for about 10 minutes now22:42
dogmatic69inserting 1k rows as 1k inserts took 4.4 seconds, 1k rows as 1 insert took 1.9 secods22:43
SupermanintightsNTFS format22:43
mgdmHmm, mysqldump does CSV files? That's news22:43
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gordonjcpmgdm: it's had that for a while hasn't it?22:46
mgdmQuite possibly; I avoid using it as far as possible, though :-)22:51
mgdmxtrabackup FTW22:51
* bigcalm head-desks22:52
bigcalmThe client's server does not have mod_deflate enabled22:53
bigcalmRight, I've worked out that I only need one path to make use of zlib. Now, how do I put that into an htaccess rule?22:58
bigcalmJust ? <Directory "foo">php_value zlib.output_compression 1</Directory>22:59
bigcalmDamn, that's a dir22:59
mgdmthere's a way to enable it23:00
mgdmob_start('ob_gzhandler') or something like that23:00
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mgdmin fact, precisely that23:00
bigcalmI just want to enable it for /bookings, I'm sure this can be done in .htaccess23:00
mgdmhttp://php.net/manual/en/function.ob-gzhandler.php23:00
popeyanyone on precise fancy testing bug 91896823:17
lubotu3Launchpad bug 918968 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "On Screen Keyboard doesn't work on logon screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91896823:17
bigcalmGah. I want to use <Location> or <LocationMatch>, but can't from .htaccess23:18
AlanBellpopey: it works for me, but I am using upstream onboard23:20
popeynow my kb has broken23:20
popeyi cant do a hash key23:21
* AlanBell gives popey a #23:21
bigcalmI can't do a pound over synergy23:21
bigcalmOdd. I can to the windows laptop over synergy, but not to the ubuntu server23:22
mgdmI was using Synergy to control a Linux box running Linux in a Virtualbox23:22
mgdmodlly enough, the keyboard layout was 'exciting' from the Mac client23:22
popeyoh god, the keyboard preferences dialog only supports 4 kb layouts23:22
mgdm(it's a Mac with a PC keyboard synergied to a PC running a VM)23:22
popeywhy such a giant dialog23:22
* popey stabs bug 63020323:25
lubotu3Launchpad bug 630203 in xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu) "Macintosh keyboard layout is wrong" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63020323:25
dogmatic69fyi: there is not much difference in writing the big sql query to file vs just running the insert23:29
dogmatic69writing to file is about 10% faster than running the query so by the time Ive done mysql dump it will be the same / slower23:30
bigcalmIs it possible to detect if there is a buffer in use before using ob_end_clean()?23:30
shaunoob_get_contents() - Gets the contents of the output buffer without clearing it.23:32
shaunounlessyou find a cleverer way, I'd check what that returns23:32
bigcalmob_list_handlers()?23:33
mgdmbigcalm: there's an ob_level() or something23:33
mgdmbigcalm: ob_get_level()23:33
bigcalm$ob_active = ob_get_length () !== FALSE;23:34
bigcalmThat'll do me23:34
mgdmNoooo23:34
mgdmthat's terrible23:34
bigcalm-()23:34
mgdmob_get_level > 023:34
bigcalmHeh, sorry. I copy/pasted an example comment without reading that it said ob_get_length()23:34
mgdmvar_dump(ob_get_level()) => string(9) "INCEPTION"23:34
bigcalmHazar! I now have a working solution23:39
bigcalmMight not deploy it tonight23:39

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