[06:58] <hoover> morning all
[08:02] <AlanBell> morning
[08:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning
[08:07] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:18] <daubers> Morning
[08:23] <czajkowski> daubers: http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/minister-considering-broadcasting-charge-whether-you-have-a-tv-or-not-536421.html
[08:23] <czajkowski> is how Ireland plans to deal with the tv fee
[08:25] <shauno> jumping straight from fees lost to evasion, to charging people who don't have TVs, seems like a bit of a wild leap
[08:25] <czajkowski> nods
[08:26] <czajkowski> but in some ways it's true, many people dont have tvs have laptops now and watch stuff via it
[08:28] <shauno> so now I need a laptop license :)
[08:33] <daubers> czajkowski: Meh. I have no argument with the licence fee, just with the way it's enforced
[08:35] <shauno> I'm no fan of the license fee here.  the value returned on it seems incredibly low.
[08:42] <shauno> I can see the cultural value to tg4, but the main value of RTE seems to be to make sure that you can still watching Neighbours if you don't receive the bbc by other means
[08:47] <daubers> What do people recommend in terms of forum software these days?
[08:50] <swat_> daubers: google groups? :)
[08:51] <daubers> swat_: I've been told by someone that they want a forum and not just google groups
[08:51] <daubers> It's been specifically specified
[09:20] <oimon> phpbb comes with lots of nice sql injection features
[09:21] <oimon> handy if you forget your password
[09:27] <bigcalm_lappy> Good morning meeps
[09:29] <oimon> MEEP!
[09:30] <oimon> my son's favourite word
[09:30] <christel> :D
[09:32] <oimon> shame about Kodak, couldn't adapt to the market
[09:32] <oimon> maybe they could have injected their cash pile into making cheap and easy 3d printers for homes rather than switching from photography to inkjet printers
[09:33] <occupy64k> As companies get bigger and more successful they also become less adaptive
[09:33] <DJones> oimon: My favourite word at the minute rhymes with "meep" Its sleep
[09:33] <oimon> neep is a character from abney and teal, a wonderful programme
[09:34] <tonytiger> AlanBell: is this happy hour happening tonight?
[09:35]  * bigcalm_lappy waves bye bye to London
[09:55] <JamesTait> Good day, all. :)
[09:57] <bigcalm_lappy> Like that this train is zipping though stations without stopping
[10:02] <swat_> daubers: no idea, just need one that's regularly maintained presumably
[10:16] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:18] <bigcalm_lappy> Morning over there
[10:18] <christel> morning pretties
[10:20] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm_lappy and christel
[10:21] <doet> @search paleo
[10:21]  * bigcalm_lappy curls up and hides from the world
[10:21] <bigcalm_lappy> Last night was good
[10:21] <christel> what did you do bigcalm_lappy
[10:21] <bigcalm_lappy> christel: drank and had yummy curry
[10:22] <christel> ah :)
[10:23]  * bigcalm_lappy gives up trying to do work
[10:24] <christel> haha
[10:24]  * s-fox just gives up, full stop
[10:24] <s-fox> :D
[10:25] <christel> aww
[10:29] <Myrtti> why do all the nice jobs that I want to apply for need to be somewhere far away? I don't want to move to Belfast
[10:29] <Myrtti> even Glasgow is a bit far
[10:30] <Myrtti> ;___;
[10:30] <ubuntubhoy> Glasgow is the centre of the universe
[10:30] <occupy64k> Everything happens in Glasgow.  The rest is just virtual.
[10:32] <d3ngar>  Hi, I am getting the error message 'Not allowed' when trying to access a USB memory stick
[10:32] <d3ngar> I am running 11.10
[10:32] <d3ngar> Any ideas?
[10:38] <jpds> Hmm.
[10:40] <gordonjcp> d3ngar: "Not allowed" doesn't sound like the full error message
[10:40] <gordonjcp> d3ngar: can you give us the error message verbatim?
[10:46] <gordonjcp> Myrtti: Glasgow's quite good
[10:47] <d3ngar> gordonjcp: I'm afraid I don't see anything else in Nautilus
[10:47] <d3ngar> "Unable to mount DATABAR Not authorized
[10:48] <d3ngar> I am member of the plugdev group
[10:48] <Myrtti> gordonjcp: yeah, I don't doubt that, I'd move there in a heartbeat if I were alone
[10:48] <ubuntubhoy> move to East Ren and the schools are also top notch
[10:49] <ubuntubhoy> short commute to city centre
[10:51] <directhex> so... n9
[10:54] <christel> i have never been to glasgow :s
[10:54] <daubers> Been to glasgow a coulpe of times. Reinforced my "I hate cities" thinking
[10:55] <christel> hehe
[10:55] <christel> i am not a big fan of cities
[10:55] <ubuntubhoy> cities are wonderful fantastic places
[10:56] <christel> i'd rather have acres of land, a farmhouse in the middle of nowhere and no neighbours :)
[10:56] <ubuntubhoy> where else can you get mugged for a fish supper but in a city
[11:03] <Myrtti> should go to Edinburgh to dig up some more information about BF's family history
[11:04] <oimon> drove through glasgow once. we locked the doors
[11:04] <gordonjcp> christel: stick "G66 1RS" into gooooooooogle maps
[11:04] <smittix> Does everyone here use Ubuntu as their default system?
[11:05] <oimon> smittix: most, i'd guess
[11:05] <occupy64k> for desktop, yes
[11:05] <gordonjcp> christel: that's actually dropping the pin about 100m up from my house
[11:05]  * christel tickles sladen 
[11:05] <christel> gordonjcp: ooh
[11:06] <gordonjcp> smittix: I do now
[11:08] <smittix> Cool, Was just wondering. I Was having a conversation in Fedora. It appeared that most of them actually used a different os as their default.
[11:08] <smittix> Mainly Windows.
[11:09] <gordonjcp> heh
[11:09] <gordonjcp> I'm split about 50/50 between Ubuntu and Arch
[11:10] <smittix> I haven't tried Arch yet.
[11:10] <gordonjcp> with other weird outliers like Haiku as appropriate
[11:10] <smittix> I have been using Fedora for past week though.
[11:10] <oimon> arch doesn't exist
[11:10] <smittix> Haiku is nice.
[11:10] <oimon> it's a virtual OS quoted by internet trolls
[11:10] <smittix> HEH
[11:11] <popey> morning ratfans
[11:12] <popey> if anyone is on 12.04 could you please confirm bug 914354 ?
[11:12] <popey> whut
[11:12] <gordonjcp> popey: evidently not
[11:12]  * popey unmarks as private
[11:12] <popey> basically install magicicada and try to run it, it faails to start
[11:16] <oimon> yes popey
[11:17] <gord> buh 9143534
[11:17] <gord> bug 9143534
[11:17] <gord> stupid bot
[11:17] <gord> let me be lazy
[11:17] <gord> bug 914534
[11:18] <oimon> i voted it
[11:18] <gord> bug 914354
[11:18] <oimon> however i never used it before
[11:18] <gord> its for ubuntu one users
[11:18] <gord> i noticed it being crashy the other day
[11:18] <oimon> could be useful
[11:19] <gord> that kind of bug is what you get when you use python though =\
[11:19] <popey> its for you to see what files are currently syncing
[11:19] <popey> tis handy
[11:22] <davmor2> morning all
[11:22] <davmor2> czajkowski: prodings
[11:22] <gord> its mostly handy because i still don't trust u1 to actually do things ;)
[11:22] <gord> morning davmor2
[11:23] <davmor2> gord: shame on you hang your head in shame right this very moment
[11:23] <gord> no >:(
[11:24] <gordonjcp> oh, wait, I'm not on 12.04 on my laptop yet
[11:24] <davmor2> gord: how will you know if it will or won't if you don't try it and then report bugs on the things that don't work
[11:24] <gord> davmor2, eh? i use u1 all day long
[11:26] <davmor2> gord: so how can you not trust it to do stuff
[11:26] <gord> davmor2, because sometimes it doesn't work for whatever reason
[11:27] <davmor2> I get locks from time to time but I just kick till it works :)
[11:28] <davmor2> and now thunderbird decides to start crashing
[11:28] <gord> i'm always on dev releases so i get a lot of problems, sometimes its just really slow
[11:29] <davmor2> gord: ah that's true I forgot about that, I have test boxes and main is stable
[11:29] <smittix> 12.04 any good? I haven't gotten round to trying it yet.
[11:29] <Myrtti> oh man, Spotify stopped working because of flash :-(
[11:29] <smittix> :/
[11:29] <Myrtti> I is not happy
[11:30] <d3ngar> I also have a very annoying issue with Tomboy notes
[11:30] <d3ngar> I really have a lot of notes there and synced with Ubuntu One
[11:31] <d3ngar> But for some reason I now get sync errors on two of my machiens, so I don't have the notes available
[11:31] <d3ngar> Is there something I can do?
[11:32] <czajkowski> d3ngar: have you asked in #ubuntuone
[11:32] <czajkowski> very helpful folks there who may be able to help you
[11:32] <d3ngar> czarjkowski: thanks, I shall
[11:33]  * christel hugs czajkowski 
[11:33] <czajkowski> d3ngar: np
[11:33] <czajkowski> christel: hello darling
[11:33] <christel> how art thou? :)
[11:36] <czajkowski> not bad now my dear.
[11:36] <gordonjcp> popey: I don't know if it affects me or not, I can reproduce the error but I don't use magicicada ;-)
[11:36] <czajkowski> virgin media are being a bit special this mornig
[11:36] <czajkowski> *morning
[11:36] <christel> czajkowski: are you off the pain meds since surgery? :)
[11:36]  * daubers orders some tea
[11:36] <christel> i dreamt of adam sweet last night, it was very odd
[11:36] <czajkowski> yes more or less, still at night due to tossing and turning and trying not to anoying the back
[11:37] <christel> *nod*
[11:37] <czajkowski> but a massive reduction alright
[11:37] <czajkowski> need to sort out physio though
[11:40] <christel> didn't your surgeon refer you yet?
[11:40] <czajkowski> he did to guys but got it swapped to st.thomas as it's literally next door to me here
[11:41] <czajkowski> but said no physio till maybe week 3 or week 4
[11:41] <czajkowski> and still no sitting for longer than 20 mins till week 5/6
[11:41] <christel> aaah
[11:47] <czajkowski> christel: pelvis is still tilted so need to get that bit fixed
[11:47] <czajkowski> and phsyio should fix that
[11:47] <christel> *nod*
[11:53] <MangoBoy>  hi. Hope you all are well. Automatic connect does'n't work on my mobile broadband connection in network manager. What can i do?
[11:53] <MangoBoy> I have asked at #nm but no one answers there
[11:55] <gordonjcp> what does it do?
[11:55] <davmor2> MangoBoy: enable it for auto connect,  click on n-m applet click on edit connections and then mobile connections and then the setup you have click on edit and check the box for autoconnect?
[11:55] <MangoBoy> I have done that
[11:56] <davmor2>  MangoBoy I'd say it was a bug then that normally is all you have to do :(
[11:56] <MangoBoy>  i have had it like this for months.. i'm just tired to have to grab the mouse to get online everytime
[11:57] <MangoBoy> could ther be a comand to use in an script to call
[11:57] <MangoBoy> ??
[11:57] <davmor2> MangoBoy: report a bug against it
[11:57] <MangoBoy> ok
[11:58] <davmor2> MangoBoy: or check if there is already a bug and it might have a solution in it
[11:58] <MangoBoy> ok
[12:46] <j0nr> any JPGraph experts?
[12:57] <oimon> how should i interpret this call trace? http://pastebin.com/h7d9i3HY
[13:11] <smittix> bah bad day today
[13:28] <smittix> Some moron is trying to bruteforce our FTP
[13:29] <jpds> Someone's still using FTP.
[13:29] <smittix> HEH
[13:31] <DJones> Sheesh, filling in an ecommerce survey, "What percentage of staff had internet access" = 100%, next question "What percentage did not have internet access"......Erm... Surely they could work that out
[13:32] <Laney> put 1% and see what happens
[13:32] <DJones> Heh
[13:33] <DJones> And...3 Questions further on..."Did the business have internet access"
[13:34] <shauno> "no, we only employed people with smartphones"
[13:34] <DJones> There's a question about that as well
[13:35] <shauno> *thunk*
[13:35] <gord> hrm, kdenlive is really pretty good, very impressed
[14:16] <smittix> Does anyone else get Encryption errors on boot?
[14:16] <smittix> Im using 11.10
[14:41] <shonk> nick shonk|home
[14:48] <smittix> heh
[14:54] <tim__> hello
[14:55] <nothingspecial> hello tim__
[14:58] <oimon> anyone heard of itunesU ? seems to be a universirty version of itunes for distributing lectures and podcasts?
[14:59] <smittix> Not heard of that one.
[15:01] <nothingspecial> The Open University use normal iTunes, or it did
[15:02] <bigcalm> I do wish the new version of spotify with apps 'n wotnot would get released soon. Tried their .deb and it failed for me. Need something more stable
[15:02]  * bigcalm ponders wine
[15:04] <danfish_> I'll have a beer if you are offering bigcalm ;)
[15:05] <danfish_> and afternoon all
[15:05]  * bigcalm acquires coffee
[15:05] <christel> coffee is not wine you know
[15:06] <bigcalm> christel: I really really want to go to sleep. Wine would tip me over the edge I fear
[15:06] <davmor2> christel: You misunderstood him he meant to say whine
[15:06] <bigcalm> London is a real drain upon the mind and soul
[15:06] <davmor2> christel: ^ see
[15:06] <christel> hehe
[15:06] <bigcalm> Oh yes, I whine a lot about wine
[15:06] <christel> davmor2: ah, he always whines
[15:07] <bigcalm> davmor2: I hope the cafe has improved its menu ready for Thursday. The burger is good, but I miss that garlic bread
[15:07] <davmor2> hahaha
[15:07] <bigcalm> christel: I'm a whino
[15:07] <smittix> bigcalm: How are you installing Spotify now? via their repo?
[15:07] <bigcalm> davmor2: It is a week today, right?
[15:08] <bigcalm> smittix: yes
[15:08] <davmor2> bigcalm: it is 26th
[15:08] <christel> what happens a week today
[15:08] <christel> and why haven't i been invited
[15:08] <davmor2> all booked and ready to rock and er rolla
[15:08] <bigcalm> davmor2: so yes
[15:08] <bigcalm> christel: please come!!
[15:08] <bigcalm> Wolverhampton work place day
[15:08] <christel> where? what? when? who? whaaaa
[15:08] <christel> ooh
[15:08] <christel> (what on earth is that?)
[15:09] <bigcalm> Haha
[15:09] <davmor2> christel: Co-working space
[15:09] <christel> aah
[15:09] <bigcalm> Some of us work from home types meet up once a month to work in the same room
[15:09] <christel> aw that is so sweet
[15:09] <bigcalm> I go for the red-head spotting
[15:09] <christel> haha
[15:10] <davmor2> christel: what amazes me without fail is we all manage to go home in one piece at the end of it :D
[15:10] <christel> haha
[15:10] <bigcalm> It's usually a very unproductive day for me
[15:11] <bigcalm> But it's worth it to get out of the house and see humans
[15:11] <christel> hehe
[15:11] <tim__> i come on no one talking come back from ciggy break and everyone is talking :D
[15:12]  * smittix hides
[15:13] <bigcalm> christel: join us ;)
[15:13] <christel> bigcalm: but i'd get no work done!
[15:13] <christel> :P
[15:13] <bigcalm> davmor2: can we get any more Canonical reprobates to come?
[15:13] <davmor2> mrevell: are you coming this time? 26th?
[15:14] <christel> is it just the two of you? :p
[15:14] <christel> aww i like matthew
[15:14] <christel> he is cute
[15:14] <bigcalm> aquarius: are you coming this time? 26th?
[15:14] <mrevell> davmor2, Checking my calendar
[15:14] <mrevell> Hello christel :)
[15:14] <davmor2> christel: Nope there are about 4-5
[15:14] <christel> heya mrevell! ;)
[15:14] <bigcalm> christel: the 1st one was just me and davmor2
[15:14] <bigcalm> I bet davmor2 was glad that I turned up
[15:15] <mrevell> davmor2, I have one call in the afternoon. I could probably handle that, though. It's the day after my birthday.
[15:15] <mrevell> :)
[15:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: and the redhead don't forget the red head :D
[15:15] <mrevell> davmor2, Yeah, I should be there.
[15:15] <davmor2> yay!
[15:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: I doubt she noticed me :P
[15:15] <christel> i think it's quite nifty
[15:15] <christel> that you do that
[15:15] <bigcalm> mrevell: yay, well done :)
[15:16] <christel> because i totally suffer from cabin fever now and again being one of these working from home people
[15:16] <bigcalm> Yep
[15:16] <mrevell> It can be cabin fevery, certainly. We've started using Google Hangouts, with webcams, quite a bit lately and it has actually helped.
[15:16] <bigcalm> Going to London yesterday was quite a shock to my system, but really glad it happened
[15:16] <gord> tis a fun day for the entire family
[15:16] <bigcalm> o.O
[15:17] <bigcalm> The Canonical family?
[15:17] <davmor2> christel: Your more than welcome to come but it might be a trek for you Only one train from London to Wolvo :)
[15:19] <AlanBell> tonytiger: I have failed to get my act together for an organised happy hour as such
[15:20] <davmor2> AlanBell: I can possibly sort one out for next month now the dust is settling again
[15:20] <bigcalm> \o/
[15:21] <christel> AlanBell: is this the southampton one? :)
[15:22] <AlanBell> yeah
[15:22] <AlanBell> I am in Portsmouth right now
[15:23] <christel> aah
[15:23] <bigcalm> AlanBell: seen any sailors?
[15:23] <Daviey> mrevell: yeah, keep seeing you hangout.. and tempted to jump in, saying "suprise!"
[15:24] <mrevell> haha
[15:25] <mrevell> It's all mostly relevant to you, actually Daviey
[15:26] <AlanBell> bigcalm: I have not said "hello sailor" all day
[15:27] <bigcalm> AlanBell: it must be a struggle not to get it out of the system
[15:27] <Daviey> mrevell: right, but jumping in whilst just wearing a dicky bow and doc martins wouldn't go down well?
[15:28] <mrevell> haha
[15:30] <Daviey> aquarius quits in disgust.
[15:30] <mrevell> He's just gone to buy himself a dickie bow.
[15:30] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:32] <bigcalm> Just realised that I haven't had lunch
[15:32] <bigcalm> Oh bum
[15:32] <bigcalm> Pot noodle!
[15:34]  * popey tickles Daviey 
[15:35] <Daviey> stop it, you.
[15:35]  * popey tickles aquarius 
[15:36]  * bigcalm kippers popey
[15:40] <Laney> my word
[15:44] <czajkowski> evening chaparoos
[15:46] <czajkowski> I'd like to say watching movies onmovie player is a good experience, it's just not
[15:46] <czajkowski> it's now just not playing some .avi clips for some unkown reason randomly
[15:49] <bigcalm> czajkowski: will vlc play the files that movie player won't?
[15:50] <directhex> gst-launch playbin2 uri=file:///path/to/file
[15:51] <directhex> since totem is gstreamer-based, that's more diagnostic than a completely different player
[15:52] <czajkowski> bigcalm: yup and no issues
[15:52] <bigcalm> czajkowski: aye, I've had that as well with some files
[15:52] <bigcalm> Which is why I've made vlc the default for nearly everything
[15:54] <popey> bug 18661
[15:55] <smittix> Anyone had any luck getting itunes to work in a VM?
[15:56] <popey> yes, slowly
[15:56] <smittix> I hate my iPhone
[15:56] <bigcalm> smittix: there are alternatives
[15:56] <nothingspecial> smittix, yep
[15:57] <nothingspecial> what's the matter?
[15:57] <smittix> I tried on a Win7 VM but it was complaining about a driver or something.
[15:57] <smittix> I'll try again this evening
[15:58] <nothingspecial> Working fine here
[15:58] <smittix> All i want to do is put a TV Show on it.
[16:00] <nothingspecial> I prefer watching tv on my tv :p
[16:01] <smittix> I have a Wife who likes watching crap
[16:01] <smittix> heh
[16:01] <DJones> smittix: +1
[16:01] <nothingspecial> me too
[16:02] <nothingspecial> I have one with an iphone, the only reason I have the VM
[16:02] <smittix> ahh
[16:02] <nothingspecial> She should wat ch the nonsense on the iphone
[16:03] <nothingspecial> Then I can watch propper tv :)
[16:03] <smittix> I might swap my iPhone for a samsung galaxy s2. I just need to read up on them before i do.
[16:03] <DJones> smittix: Did you see this? http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/samsung-galaxy-s3-leaked-by-samsung-50006698/
[16:03]  * nothingspecial bought an £8.99 phone from tesco
[16:03] <czajkowski> aquarius: did you sort out the SSD laptop ?
[16:04] <aquarius> czajkowski, yeah -- is not ssd
[16:04] <smittix> DJones: Interesting.
[16:04] <aquarius> had to go out and spend money on a new hdd, dammit
[16:04] <aquarius> still, the machine is now running ubuntu. ;)
[16:04] <czajkowski> aquarius: I was about to offer you one :/
[16:05] <bigcalm> Yay Ubuntu
[16:05] <bigcalm> I've had to put the HDD back in my laptop so I can be productive with it. 12.04 isn't ready for my ageing laptop
[16:06] <popey> oooh
[16:06]  * czajkowski hugs popey 
[16:06] <bigcalm> Aaah?
[16:06] <popey> just a little bit
[16:07] <bigcalm> \o/
[16:08] <czajkowski> popey: bigcalm now I have this song in my head http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIw3BtSPHtI
[16:08] <popey> mission accomplished
[16:09] <Laney> if this is Gina G...
[16:09] <Laney> oh, much better
[16:09] <czajkowski> Laney: oi I've taste you know
[16:09] <czajkowski> I can see an eveing of Ub40 on now
[16:12] <smittix> Claim to fame - My mates brother is the keyboard player in UB40.
[16:12] <czajkowski> smittix: sweet
[16:12] <czajkowski> love them
[16:12] <czajkowski> habe now got the promises and lies album on
[16:12] <smittix> What's your favourite song?
[16:13] <czajkowski> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUur_LS0s5g
[16:13] <czajkowski> that
[16:14] <gordonjcp> smittix: nice
[16:14] <bigcalm> The lady who introduced me to joints, in the village I grew up in, her brother wrote and performed the music for Tomb Raider
[16:15] <smittix> czajkowski: Mine - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCGcljqOSW0
[16:15] <gordonjcp> I explained to Shawn Rudiman how to modify an Alesis HR16 drum machine to have custom sample chips
[16:15] <czajkowski> nice
[16:16] <smittix> And Groovin' for a summer song. heh
[16:19] <czajkowski> hmm wonder where is the cheapest place to get a once off digital picture printed
[16:35] <smittix> I really need to get round to enabling num lock on boot.
[16:36] <czajkowski> hmmm my notification email doesnt seem to work on this machine
[16:37] <czajkowski> it was nice when it changed colour
[17:15] <gord> i wish i had just one tape measure i didn't ruin by playing with it all day every day
[17:27] <bigcalm> Do I or don't I and will it get ICS? http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/mobile-phones/MOTOROLA-XOOM-WI-FI
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: You will
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: and if you don't you can flash US firmware into it and still get it
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> (like I did.. Dutch firmware is always 6 months behind)
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> (this is all about getting ICS)
[17:28] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: a good tablet?
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: awesome
[17:28] <bigcalm> Good price tag?
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> I got ICS this morning
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> £249 looks good
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> They're £83 more expensive here in .nl
[17:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: great tablet I can bring mine on thursday + it will get ICS eventually
[17:29] <bigcalm> Ooo
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: today is Thurs
[17:30] <bigcalm> The main thing is that it's capable of ICS (my N1 isn't for instance)
[17:30] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS, davmor2: what do you use your xooms for? I still need to justify getting one to myself
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> I use it for (dutch equiv of iplayer) and Wordfeud
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> and youtube videos
[17:31] <bigcalm> The cheapo tablet I bought I hardly use except for mobile dev now and then
[17:31] <bigcalm> Front facing camera?
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> works fine
[17:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: games, web brawsing, kindle app, linux news app, twitter, g+, facebook feeds, youtube.............
[17:31] <jutnux> I use my tablet for Skype video chats sometimes.
[17:32] <jutnux> As well as Facebook, G+, youtube, internet, Aldiko and Minecraft <3
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> jutnux: I have a Kindle, so aldiko is useless to me :)
[17:32] <jutnux> MartijnVdS: I don't know whether to get one or not.
[17:33] <jutnux> I mean, they're good, but my tablet can do it all except have an e-ink display.
[17:33] <bigcalm> I also have a kindle, which is relaxing upon my eyes for reading
[17:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: indeed I only use it as I don't have a kindle wifey does so I can see the difference
[17:34] <davmor2> kindle is much kinder but you asked what I used it for :)
[17:35] <bigcalm> davmor2: indeed, and thank you :)
[17:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: as I say I'll bring it with on thursday you can have a play
[17:36] <bigcalm> davmor2: I dunno if I can keep myself from not buying it now - not sure if the price will stay put for a week
[17:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://www.xoomforums.com/forum/motorola-xoom-news/14046-media-confirmation-ics-update-rolling-out-motorola-wifi-xoom-tablets.html
[17:37] <davmor2> when is another matter it is motorola after all :)
[17:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: the thing that impressed me the most is the fact that using it on and off for 3days it still had battery power :)
[17:40] <bigcalm> Heh
[17:42] <bigcalm> "You cannot back order this item because we are experiencing temporary stock problems. Please remove this item from the basket before continuing"
[17:42] <bigcalm> Arse
[17:42] <jutnux> What are you backordering?
[17:42] <jutnux> I just ordered a £4 microphone from Amazon as I must Skype more.
[17:44] <Myrtti> mgdm: the bug you retweeted doesn't affect any version of Ubuntu :-P
[17:44] <mgdm> Myrtti: good to hear :)
[17:44] <jutnux> What's your twitter mgdm & Myrtti
[17:44] <jutnux> ?
[17:45] <Myrtti> we're using ol^C^Cstable version of xorg :-P
[17:45] <Myrtti> jutnux: the answer is so simple you get no points or cookies for guessing right
[17:45] <jutnux> Ah
[17:46]  * jutnux follows
[17:47] <Myrtti> and now you can actually follow me since my profile has been public for a few months
[17:47] <Myrtti> yay?
[17:48] <czajkowski> I wanna cookie
[17:48] <czajkowski> christel: how's that bake fest coming clong
[17:51]  * davmor2 spams czajkowski so she gets a new webcookie
[17:52]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 
[17:53] <davmor2> czajkowski: pleasure I can spam you any time you want a new cookie :)
[17:58] <christel> czajkowski: hehe it's not! i have no free time!
[17:59] <czajkowski> how about cup cakes and butter icing
[17:59] <czajkowski> I'll come and visit!
[17:59] <christel> i made cupcakes on tuesday :P
[17:59] <christel> and bread! but then i got too busy to do anymore baking
[18:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: you mean you couldn't smell them?
[18:00] <christel> on which token i am actually behind schedule and should make a start on dinner before the boys come home
[18:11] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> Does anyone here play Wordfeud?
[19:14] <gord> used to
[19:15]  * MartijnVdS noticed almost everyone was playing it on the train today
[19:17] <gord> maybe they were friends and were playing against each other?
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> they had lots of friends then
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> all around several tran\ins
[19:24] <gord> woo found a bug in precice
[19:24] <gord> the default dictionary thinks "Monday" is spelt wrong
[19:24] <gord> (i don't think it is)
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> ewps
[19:31] <AlanBell> the silicon chip inside it's brain is switched to overload
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it's gonna shoot the whole day down?
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> should I run away from my laptop
[19:49] <AlanBell> !info python-pymssql
[20:29] <AlanBell> anyone got access to a Microsoft SQL server box they can test a precise package against?
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: if you have a windows box, you can download a free version of mssql
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> with limited concurrent users I think
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> or tiny dat aallowance
[20:31] <AlanBell> yeah, I have tested it already, I want someone to confirm it
[20:34] <AlanBell> bug 918896
[20:38] <RhysMorgan> Hey, can anyone tell me if there is a command i can use to list grub style hd addresses i.e. hd0,0?
[20:39] <AlanBell> RhysMorgan: you can tab complete things in grub
[20:40] <RhysMorgan> It literally tab's when i press tab in the grub prompt
[20:40] <RhysMorgan> :S
[20:42] <RhysMorgan> my problem is, a hasty contractor was in a while back and retired some old servers but his idea of a p2v was a dd into a img file and now the servers won;t boot because there is no hd0,0
[20:46] <RhysMorgan> This may be stupid but i'm going to throw it out there, the disk used to be /dev/hda and now it's /dev/vda do that mean root (hd0,0) become root (vd0,0) ?
[20:51] <AlanBell> RhysMorgan: I just got to grub in a virtualbox VM and went to the command line
[20:52] <AlanBell> really really odd, but tab completion tells me it is root (hd0,msdos1)
[20:52] <AlanBell> this VM has never been anywhere near windows
[20:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> RhysMorgan: hda in grub speak is hd0. hda1 would be hd0,0
[20:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> And grub always (used to at least) use hd0 for any kind of disk: sda,hda etc...
[20:54] <RhysMorgan> TheOpenSourcerer: I will try without the comma delimit
[20:54] <AlanBell> my grub entry is   set root='(hd0,msdos1)'
[20:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> you should be able to type hd<tab> to see what drives grub can see, then use tab again after the first number and comma.
[20:57] <smittix> nothingspecial: Was it a Windows 7 VM you were running iTunes in?
[20:58] <RhysMorgan> http://i42.tinypic.com/kcb0nt.png   :(
[21:12] <Myrtti> eh
[21:12] <Myrtti> I've installed my Ubuntu to have UK English everything and still libreoffice has everything in US settings?
[21:12] <Myrtti> meh.
[21:46] <popey> bug 918928
[21:46] <popey> anyone else find that?
[21:47] <gord> can't say i've noticed it
[21:47] <gord> can you not just change that?
[21:52] <popey> how?
[21:53] <popey> there is no dialog to change it
[21:53] <popey> its just a tickbox to dim when idle
[21:54] <gord> right, but that should just dim the backlight surely
[21:54] <gord> i thought you meant the monitor turns off
[21:54] <gord> 10 seconds or so is about what i expect for a backlight dim
[21:55] <popey> thats way too short
[21:55] <popey> try reading a news story on bbc.co.uk
[21:55] <gord> i just increase the brightness manually if i really need it to be bright
[21:56] <popey> mine is at full brightness
[21:56] <popey> it dims after 10 seconds
[21:56] <popey> 10 seconds is not 'idle'
[21:57] <gord> the wording is actually just "dim screen to save power"
[21:57] <gord> at any rate, no one will really see it there, maybe take it to gnomes bugzilla?
[21:58] <gord> though last time i took anything power related there the answer was "your wasting power"
[22:01] <j0nr> evening
[22:02] <j0nr> hmm, I have set up SSH before, but I just can't get it to work tonight.
[22:03] <j0nr> I have modified my config to connect on a different port (restarted ssh), installed noip2 to managed my ip, set up a rule in my router to forward that port to the right ip on my lan.... but when trying to connect (using my phone so I am connecting from outside my lan) it just times out....
[22:03] <j0nr> what have I missed?
[22:11] <j0nr> hmm, ok I think it is just a problem with noip
[22:11] <j0nr> even though on the website, it is saying it is updated and shows the correct ip addy, it just times out if I try and connect with the IP it works..
[22:13] <Supermanintights> hey guys
[22:13] <Supermanintights> what's the syntax for copy/paste through terminal?
[22:16] <popey> Supermanintights: ctrl+shift+c and ctrl+shift+v
[22:17] <Supermanintights> sorry - i meant to copy files/folders through terminal
[22:17] <Supermanintights> i've just plugged a usb harddrive in, and want to copy folders from there to my HDD
[22:18] <Supermanintights> !copy
[22:18] <mgdm> Supermanintights: cp -rv /media/DRIVE_NAME/folder /home/whereever/you/want
[22:19] <mgdm> you'll need to fiddle those about a bit, your HD is probably under /media
[22:19] <Supermanintights> great
[22:19] <Supermanintights> my internal hdd is on a separate partition - Drive D:\ - not the partition ubuntu is installed on
[22:19] <Supermanintights> how do I find out the drive name - it's only showing "My Book" in the browser
[22:20] <j0nr> hmm ok, I changed "Port 22" to a different number in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[22:20] <j0nr> then sudo service ssh restart
[22:20] <j0nr> also /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[22:20] <j0nr> but netstat says it is still listening on 22 ?
[22:21] <j0nr> actualy netstat does not show ssh
[22:21] <bigcalm> mgdm: you're alive, help!
[22:22] <Myrtti> j0nr: sshd then?
[22:23] <bigcalm> ob_end_clean() and zlib don't like each other. The whole application needs zlib otherwise it's a silly size to refresh. But generating xlsx files means that I need zlib turned off before ob_end_clean() will work. I'm scratching my head on this one
[22:23] <j0nr> Myrtti: hmm, working now.. I think there were too many instances running, killed them all and started fresh ssh and now it works :)
[22:24] <mgdm> bigcalm: sod the lot of it and use mod_deflate in apache to do your gzipping
[22:24] <mgdm> bigcalm: don't get PHP to do it, 'cos it's not very good at it
[22:24] <bigcalm> mgdm: I would if I had that level of access to the client's server
[22:24] <mgdm> Hmmm
[22:25] <mgdm> not sure, then, unless you flip it atround and only enable it explicitly on the bits you want
[22:26] <bigcalm> Humm
[22:27] <bigcalm> There's really only one section of the site that needs it (a 60x365 js laden table). 5mb without compression
[22:27] <mgdm> jings
[22:28] <bigcalm> It's the most cycle intensive site we have to maintain
[22:28] <mgdm> could you try to enable mod_deflate in an .htaccess?
[22:28] <bigcalm> It would still need to exist on the server though, right?
[22:28] <mgdm> It's quite a common thing to have
[22:28] <mgdm> might be worth a blast
[22:29] <bigcalm> I see. Deflate per contentType
[22:29] <mgdm> Yup
[22:30] <bigcalm> Works locally
[22:30] <bigcalm> Fingers crossed that it works on the production server
[22:32] <dogmatic69> anyone with a bit of mysql knowledge? what is the biggest query mysql will take?
[22:32] <dogmatic69> im doing a multi insert and dont want to send to much
[22:32] <mgdm> dogmatic69: depends on the max_packet_size of the server
[22:33] <mgdm> or whatever the variable's called
[22:33] <dogmatic69> ah
[22:33] <dogmatic69> i think that is 2mb or something, will try find it
[22:33] <mgdm> there's also a maximum sensible size to send in a multi-insert
[22:35] <dogmatic69> 16mb max, should be fine
[22:35] <dogmatic69> mgdm: really?
[22:35] <dogmatic69> what would that be?
[22:36] <mgdm> I can't remember
[22:36] <mgdm> I read an article which told me that tehre's a maximum size and a most-efficient size
[22:36] <mgdm> That might've been my copy of High Performance MySQL, though
[22:37] <dogmatic69> im looking at doing about 6mb to 10mb insert
[22:37] <AlanBell> the mysql limit is pretty huge, but the phpmyadmin upload limit would be the php.ini max upload size
[22:37] <dogmatic69> +- 100k rows or so
[22:37] <dogmatic69> this is in php code
[22:38] <mgdm> that's not a dramatically large number of rows
[22:38] <mgdm> how big are the rows?
[22:38] <mgdm> lots of big columns, or...?
[22:40] <AlanBell> whatever the database, you can do a mysqldump of it and then pipe that back into mysql, I am not aware of any limits with that
[22:40] <mgdm> I get the impression tath wouldn't be possible in this case
[22:40] <mgdm> I think he's generating the data in code
[22:40] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: good thinking.. i might try write it to file and use mysql dump
[22:41] <dogmatic69> that is real fast
[22:41] <mgdm> No it ain't :( but for 6mb it's probably quick enough
[22:41] <dogmatic69> mgdm: I have used mysql dump on csv files of 500mb+ and it took a few seconds
[22:41] <AlanBell> I think the biggest I have done is 14GB
[22:42] <Myrtti> ooh ooh
[22:42] <Myrtti> http://phandroid.com/2012/01/19/archos-smart-home-phone-now-available-in-the-uk/
[22:42] <AlanBell> which wasn't real data, it was a database with a big problem
[22:42] <popey> why does my ssh client hang and then when i press a button it catches up?
[22:42] <Supermanintights> guys - how long should a partition resize of 15gb take? it's been going on for about 10 minutes now
[22:43] <dogmatic69> inserting 1k rows as 1k inserts took 4.4 seconds, 1k rows as 1 insert took 1.9 secods
[22:43] <Supermanintights> NTFS format
[22:43] <mgdm> Hmm, mysqldump does CSV files? That's news
[22:46] <gordonjcp> mgdm: it's had that for a while hasn't it?
[22:51] <mgdm> Quite possibly; I avoid using it as far as possible, though :-)
[22:51] <mgdm> xtrabackup FTW
[22:52]  * bigcalm head-desks
[22:53] <bigcalm> The client's server does not have mod_deflate enabled
[22:58] <bigcalm> Right, I've worked out that I only need one path to make use of zlib. Now, how do I put that into an htaccess rule?
[22:59] <bigcalm> Just ? <Directory "foo">php_value zlib.output_compression 1</Directory>
[22:59] <bigcalm> Damn, that's a dir
[23:00] <mgdm> there's a way to enable it
[23:00] <mgdm> ob_start('ob_gzhandler') or something like that
[23:00] <mgdm> in fact, precisely that
[23:00] <bigcalm> I just want to enable it for /bookings, I'm sure this can be done in .htaccess
[23:00] <mgdm> http://php.net/manual/en/function.ob-gzhandler.php
[23:17] <popey> anyone on precise fancy testing bug 918968
[23:18] <bigcalm> Gah. I want to use <Location> or <LocationMatch>, but can't from .htaccess
[23:20] <AlanBell> popey: it works for me, but I am using upstream onboard
[23:20] <popey> now my kb has broken
[23:21] <popey> i cant do a hash key
[23:21]  * AlanBell gives popey a #
[23:21] <bigcalm> I can't do a pound over synergy
[23:22] <bigcalm> Odd. I can to the windows laptop over synergy, but not to the ubuntu server
[23:22] <mgdm> I was using Synergy to control a Linux box running Linux in a Virtualbox
[23:22] <mgdm> odlly enough, the keyboard layout was 'exciting' from the Mac client
[23:22] <popey> oh god, the keyboard preferences dialog only supports 4 kb layouts
[23:22] <mgdm> (it's a Mac with a PC keyboard synergied to a PC running a VM)
[23:22] <popey> why such a giant dialog
[23:25]  * popey stabs bug 630203
[23:29] <dogmatic69> fyi: there is not much difference in writing the big sql query to file vs just running the insert
[23:30] <dogmatic69> writing to file is about 10% faster than running the query so by the time Ive done mysql dump it will be the same / slower
[23:30] <bigcalm> Is it possible to detect if there is a buffer in use before using ob_end_clean()?
[23:32] <shauno> ob_get_contents() - Gets the contents of the output buffer without clearing it.
[23:32] <shauno> unlessyou find a cleverer way, I'd check what that returns
[23:33] <bigcalm> ob_list_handlers()?
[23:33] <mgdm> bigcalm: there's an ob_level() or something
[23:33] <mgdm> bigcalm: ob_get_level()
[23:34] <bigcalm> $ob_active = ob_get_length () !== FALSE;
[23:34] <bigcalm> That'll do me
[23:34] <mgdm> Noooo
[23:34] <mgdm> that's terrible
[23:34] <bigcalm> -()
[23:34] <mgdm> ob_get_level > 0
[23:34] <bigcalm> Heh, sorry. I copy/pasted an example comment without reading that it said ob_get_length()
[23:34] <mgdm> var_dump(ob_get_level()) => string(9) "INCEPTION"
[23:39] <bigcalm> Hazar! I now have a working solution
[23:39] <bigcalm> Might not deploy it tonight