[22:50] <neodragon> Hello, I am getting ready to install Ubuntu Studio and I just had one question, the website does not specify if it comes with Jack installed by defualt, I was hoping you would know?
[22:53] <holstein> neodragon: hey
[22:54] <holstein> stuzz is a good friend and said you were coming
[22:54] <neodragon> hey holstein, yes I am here
[22:54] <holstein> JACK is included, as well as all kind of other stuff that you may or may not wany
[22:54] <holstein> i like to run live CD's and test hardware
[22:55] <holstein> AVLinux is a live audio distro that i suggest
[22:55] <holstein> if AV works well live, then ubuntustudio will likely be the same
[22:55] <neodragon> I would like to set it up with out pulseaudio if possible, but I know ubuntu usually includes it
[22:55] <holstein> neodragon: when you start JACK, pulse suspends
[22:55] <neodragon> OH
[22:55] <holstein> unless you have a need to avoid it, i say, dont bother
[22:56] <neodragon> OK then that answers my question
[22:56] <holstein> i can make agruments both against and in favour of pulse
[22:56] <holstein> you can get by both ways, and suggest you just pick a way and go for it
[22:56] <holstein> some folks say pulse sucks... i say, computers suck and you can learn to use them with or without pulse
[22:56] <neodragon> I don't hate pulse, I use it on my Gentoo box and it works flawlessly I am just trying to avoid any hassles
[22:57] <holstein> neodragon: you wont have any hassles either way, til you want to route pulse through JACK
[22:58] <neodragon> nope I won't need that, I don't think
[22:58] <holstein> i dont
[22:58] <holstein> we use it to podcast sometimes
[22:58] <holstein> but, i dont need flash int he web browser while using JACK
[22:58] <holstein> but i have a seperate produciton machine
[22:59] <neodragon> thats what I am doing I have my main box, but I am setting up a seperate PC for recording/editing
[23:00] <holstein> good for you.. thats a great way to do it
[23:00] <neodragon> for crying out load I have 7 to choose from, I would have 9, but two of my Pentium 3s just crashed and burned on me
[23:01] <holstein> i wouldnt expect stellar performance on a p3
[23:01] <holstein> you might want to go for the old version of dynebolic which runs live
[23:01] <neodragon> in any case the box I am using is an AMD64 dualcore 2.8 GHz with 2 GB RAM
[23:01] <holstein> neodragon: that'll do it
[23:03] <neodragon> it has built in Nvidia HD audio, but I have a Soundblaster Audigy add-on card I can use if that does not work well
[23:05] <neodragon> I find that Soundblaster cards produce very high quality sound both for recoding and playback and they are fully supported under linux so good all the way around
[23:06] <holstein> sure, but its still awful for production
[23:06] <holstein> not bad to 'get your feet wet' with what you got though
[23:07] <neodragon> so than what do you suggest
[23:07] <holstein> i like to suggest to folks who are interested in audio to take a tour of a studio
[23:07] <holstein> they'll let you go through, and you can see what they have, and how its set up
[23:07] <holstein> even something cheap like http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA202.aspx
[23:08] <holstein> that paired with a preamp or mixer
[23:09] <acerimmer> holstein: repeat?  just arrived in thread...
[23:09] <holstein> anyways.. you can look and see that *no* studios use soundblaster
[23:09] <holstein> not that they would use beringer either, but they would be using an interface capable of speaking to a preamp
[23:09] <holstein> balanced is a good sign too
[23:09] <holstein> if you have the money for gear that either alreayd includes some decent preamp
[23:09] <holstein> or has balanced connectors
[23:10] <holstein> im not saying you cant do decent audio with unbalanced... im just saying, *all* pro audio comes with balanced connectors
[23:10] <neodragon> well I might have to make due with what I have for now. I don't have that kind of money
[23:10] <holstein> sure
[23:11] <holstein> just keep in mind, that sound card is probable 80 bucks US
[23:11] <acerimmer> neodragon: sorry to ask, but repeat query plz.  I might be able to advise...
[23:11] <holstein> thats about an hour in a really nice studio
[23:11] <neodragon> I want to record a few episodes for HPR
[23:11] <holstein> neodragon: sure.. get started with what you got
[23:11] <holstein> thats a great way to determine what you need too
[23:11] <holstein> how many inputs you need
[23:11] <holstein> do you need MIDI support?
[23:12] <holstein> what kind of mic pres do you prefer
[23:12] <holstein> etc...
[23:12] <holstein> acerimmer: whats up?
[23:12] <holstein> i was just suggesting that when folks start thikning about buying gear for their studio.. try and tour a local studio and see what they have
[23:12] <neodragon> acerimmer: I am just looking for advice on setting up my first audio production PC
[23:12] <holstein> try and emulate the pros
[23:12] <holstein> the pros dont use USB
[23:13] <holstein> they dont use soundblaster
[23:13] <holstein> not to say you cant so well with these tools
[23:13] <holstein> and you can totally learn on them and get started
[23:14] <acerimmer> neodragon: i've got a dell 1545.  decided to podcast and wanted halfway decent sound.  software: audacity.  hardware: presonus 2x2 interface kit (presonus 1 box).  comes with mic/headphones/interface & works with buntu.
[23:14] <arges> holstein, which interfaces do you use? some USB interfaces ain't that bad
[23:15] <neodragon> the local pawn shop always has audio equipment like mixing boards, preamps, etc. I might be able to score those things real cheap
[23:15] <acerimmer> neodragon: fyi: here's what came out of that...http://kokujinchronicles.podomatic.com/entry/2011-06-04T19_05_21-07_00
[23:16] <acerimmer> neodragon: also see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDL6fMQXIoE&feature=plcp&context=C3ac0575UDOEgsToPDskLx-nLCfy_kLO7pGDvj6ZS6
[23:16] <holstein> sure
[23:16] <holstein> arges: and thats my point
[23:16] <holstein> but, *no* pro studio uses usb
[23:17] <holstein> i use a presonus firepod
[23:17] <arges> not until they come out with usb-3.0 devices : )
[23:17] <holstein> thats actuall not that pricey these days
[23:17] <holstein> gotta run..
[23:17] <arges> later
[23:17] <neodragon> thanks holstein
[23:17] <neodragon> and acerimmer