[00:05] <jwfoxjr> I'm not getting a pairing code. I can click the settings icon and select random code, when I enter it, it still doesn't pair
[00:07] <jwfoxjr> holstein: I may have go back to vanilla ubuntu if I cant get this working.
[00:11] <holstein> jwfoxjr: it wont be a random code... it'll be the code for that device
[00:11] <holstein> maybe some package in main ubuntu is able to know based on the model # what the code is
[00:13] <jwfoxjr> Well, I'll have to play with it later. I think maybe I'll use tasksel to install Ubuntu Desktop, log into Unity, pair the bluetooth and then remove Ubuntu Desktop.
[00:14] <holstein> there should literally be a code in the documentaion for the device... thats the code *any* device will need to interface with it
[00:15] <jwfoxjr> This one seems to randomly generate. I know this because I have seen in the past that it's a different code under Windows.
[00:15] <holstein> this one?
[00:15] <holstein> feel free and link model numbers or documentation for whatever device you are trying to pair
[00:16] <holstein> if you are presented with a spot to enter a code, and that doesnt work, i think its safe to assume the code is incorrect
[00:18] <jwfoxjr> Y-RAQ-DEL2
[00:22] <jwfoxjr> looks like this model randomly generates it's passcode. I just tried pairing it with my android phone, and got two different codes when I tried pairing.
[00:39] <x350> Hey, looking for some support. =/
[00:40] <holstein> x350: this is a great channel for it, or main #ubuntu... or http://askubuntu.com/
[00:41] <x350> just joined thanks
[01:34] <philippe> hey
[01:35] <Guest57687> hello
[01:35] <Guest57687> is 11.10 rubbish or what?
[01:35] <Guest57687> I am thinking about going back to an older version
[01:35] <holstein> sure.. go to the LTS
[01:36] <Guest57687> What number is that?
[01:36] <Guest57687> 8.04?
[01:36] <holstein> 10.04... but 11.10 is working well for me and others.. could be some driver support
[01:36] <Guest57687> I have two main gripes with 11.10
[01:36] <holstein> 8.04 was an LTS, so is 10.04, and 10.04 is supported for another year +
[01:36] <Guest57687> Do you care to hear them?
[01:36] <GridCube> 11.10 its pretty much awesome
[01:37] <Guest57687> Maybe one of you can help me with my problem
[01:37] <holstein> Guest57687: if you would like to be prepared for troubleshooting, we can help you addres your concerns, or issues
[01:37] <Guest57687> It's my wireless card
[01:37] <GridCube> !detail
[01:37] <GridCube> !details
[01:38] <Guest57687> when I am on battery the light goes off on it and I notice the internet either slows down or completely stops
[01:38] <Guest57687> Like it's not getting enough juice
[01:38] <Guest57687> Never had that problem on a previous version of xubuntu
[01:38] <holstein> sounds like hardware to me.. or just a coincidence you are misinterpreting
[01:38] <Guest57687> and I sometimes need to be on battery power onloy
[01:38] <Guest57687> only
[01:38] <Guest57687> But the lights ALWAYS stay on on power
[01:39] <Guest57687> and internet never stops working
[01:39] <Guest57687> I googled for help or similar and I haven't had any luck
[01:39] <holstein> right.. i suspect its because that could be a hardware issue
[01:40] <quicklogic> Typically if it is working without errors and the only issue you are seeing is the wireless light is turning off/on and the connection seems slow or interrupted, Id have to agree that it is possibly a hardware issue
[01:41] <quicklogic> I assume that this is an internal wireless card?
[01:41] <Guest57687> It is a PCMCIA wireless card
[01:41] <Guest57687> Thanks for your help so far
[01:41] <quicklogic> If you have access to another computer or access to another PCMCIA I would test the card/cards
[01:41] <Guest57687> I will google it some more
[01:42] <holstein> i would remove it, and test with it out... if everything seems normal, i would check and research the drivers you are using, and what other drivers might be available for the wifi card in question
[01:42] <holstein> and ideally, as quicklogic suggests.. confirming the card is good in another machine
[01:43] <Guest57687> The card works absolutely fine with power cord
[01:43] <Guest57687> Which would suggest to me it is a software issue when switching to battery
[01:45] <holstein> Guest57687: try some other software too then.. try main ubuntu live.. try 10.04.. try the upcoming 12.04... im still not convinced its software related though
[01:45] <Guest57687> Ok I will do holstein
[01:46] <Guest57687> THanks
[01:46] <Guest57687> can I ask you my second question?
[01:46] <holstein> Guest57687: if you havent.. its not a bad idea to check for and apply all upgrades
[01:47] <holstein> Guest57687: you can just ask here.. you dont have to ask if its OK...
[01:47] <Guest57687> ok
[01:48] <Guest57687> I like to watch sopcast streams sometimes and I get a 100% buffering which would always give a nice smooth video on VLC on past xubuntu kernels
[01:48] <Guest57687> But on 11.10 VLC sometimes freezes, even though I am still buffering at 100%
[01:49] <Guest57687> I tried SMPLayer and it has similar symptoms
[01:49] <holstein> Guest57687: xubuntu kernels are the same as ubuntu kernels.. you can always go back to that kernel that you were enjoying... i would think it would be graphics card driver related though
[01:51] <philippe_> Hi
[01:51] <philippe_> I am back
[01:51] <philippe_> sorry my laptop crashed!
[01:51] <philippe_> I like to watch sopcast streams sometimes and I get a 100% buffering which would always give a nice smooth video on VLC on past xubuntu kernels
[01:51] <philippe_>  But on 11.10 VLC sometimes freezes, even though I am still buffering at 100%
[01:51] <holstein> Guest57687: xubuntu kernels are the same as ubuntu kernels.. you can always go back to that kernel that you were enjoying... i would think it would be graphics card driver related though
[01:51] <holstein> philippe_: ^^
[01:51] <philippe_> Ah ok
[01:52] <philippe_> Is it not that VLC doesnt have enough cache for the video or something?
[01:52] <philippe_> and I need to increase it or something
[01:52] <philippe_> Because it is downloading whilst playing
[01:52] <holstein> philippe_: i almost exclusively find graphics issues related to the graphics hardware/driver
[01:53] <philippe_> oh ok
[01:53] <philippe_> thanks
[01:53] <holstein> i would try and look for a quality setting server side
[01:53] <philippe_> I will look into it
[01:53] <philippe_> What does quality setting server side mean?
[01:53] <holstein> philippe_: on the server... asking it to stream at a lower quality to test
[01:53] <philippe_> I cant do anything with the guys server who is putting the stream out can I?
[01:54] <philippe_> Oh I see what you mean
[01:54] <holstein> philippe_: i dont know.. you can look into it though
[01:54] <philippe_> I can try a channel with a lower bandwidth to test
[01:54] <holstein> yup... that'll do it
[01:54] <philippe_> maybe it's just a too high a bandwidth stream for my old laptop
[01:56] <philippe_> This place is awesome
[01:56] <philippe_> Thanks for the help
[01:56] <holstein> philippe_: sure... anytime :)
[01:56] <philippe_> It has restored some faith in 11.10 now :D
[01:56] <philippe_> BTW when is the next kernel out?
[01:56] <philippe_> 12.04 is it?
[01:57] <holstein> philippe_: there are mainline kernels for testing.. there will be a newer one than what you have released and maintained for 12.04
[01:57] <philippe_> ah ok
[01:57] <philippe_> Is it due out anytime soon?
[01:58] <holstein> philippe_: there has been 12.04 daily testing images for quite some time
[01:58] <philippe_> ah ok
[01:58] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[01:58] <philippe_> Thanks for the info
[01:58] <holstein> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/
[01:58] <holstein> ^^ xubuntu ones
[01:59] <philippe_> I am just gonna test something here holstein
[01:59] <philippe_> BRB
[02:01] <philippe> Hey
[02:01] <philippe> You know what holstein
[02:01] <philippe> I just fixed my wireless card issue!
[02:03] <philippe_> hello
[02:03] <philippe_> i am back
[02:03] <philippe_> holstein are  you there?
[02:09] <holstein> philippe_: o/ ... whats up?
[02:10] <philippe_> I fixed my wireless card issue!
[02:10] <holstein> congrats
[02:10] <philippe_> It was going into powersaving mode on battery
[02:10] <philippe_> which killed it
[02:11] <philippe_> and now the lights stay on on battery and I'm pretty sure the internet won't go down now I disabled it :)
[02:11] <holstein> yeah, the XFCE power management can take a minute to get used to if you are coming from gnome or whatever
[02:12] <philippe_> and I'm now watching womens netball to see how smooth vlc is
[02:12] <philippe_> It's no basketball
[02:13] <philippe_> Can I ask for your expertise once more holstein?
[02:14] <philippe_> It's more laptop related than xubuntu though
[02:14] <holstein> philippe_: sure.. if its not xubuntu related, we should go to #xubuntu-offtopic
[02:15] <philippe_> ok I go there
[02:15] <philippe_> One sec
[03:31] <n2diy> Wow, one of my panels just disappeared! The clock is blinking, but my apps and places menus are gone!?
[03:32] <n2diy> Right clicked on the clock, then panel prefrences, tweaked the pixels, and got it back, weird.
[04:31] <Tortilla> Duders, are any Xubuntu builds prior to 11.10 known to be significantly faster on "weenie" hardware (2007-ish netbook)?
[04:32] <Tortilla> (potentially an idiot question - i'm very new to Linux)
[04:33] <Unit193> Specs?
[04:34] <Tortilla> intel atom (1.1gHz I believe) 2gigs RAM, XP service pack 3
[04:34] <Tortilla> Lenovo s10-2
[04:36] <Unit193> 11.10 didn't work for you? 10.04 was the last "LTS" so that'd be worth a shot
[04:37] <Tortilla> it works, and i LOVE it, but even as is has a lot that I wouldn't use on this machine, just wondered if there was any "known" streamlined version
[04:37] <Tortilla> will look into 10.04
[04:37] <Tortilla> thank you!
[07:54] <Mikael____> Hello, I am running Xubuntu 11.10 with XFCE 4.8. I got two 5770's running in crossfire, connected to 2 monitors (DVI Monitor and TV through HDMI). When connected to the TV (Volume is at 60 percent on computer) the sound is distorted, cracks and pops. Any ideas?
[08:11] <csenger41> hello
[08:11] <csenger41> anyone active here?
[08:11] <reon> maybe
[08:12] <csenger41> great
[08:12] <csenger41> could you help me why I can't install Xubuntu from CD to a computer?
[08:12] <reon> I can try but i've never had that issue. What's the problem
[08:12] <seicean> hello. i'm new to the xubuntu world and I have a slight issue regarding a video problem. When i connect the external monitor (Asus P223), the system does not recognise it. My card: NVIDIA Geforce 9300MGS. I installed the latest additional drivers. ideas?
[08:14] <reon> seicean, did you install the nvidia drivers? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[08:14] <_Pete_> seicean: you mean it's not shown in nvidia-settings after you do "detect displays" from there?
[08:14] <csenger41> after selecting install Xubuntu from menu, it stops at the command:
[08:14] <seicean> i installed the restricted driver in the settings menu
[08:15] <seicean> the monitor DOES appear in nvidia settings, but is not responsive when i click apply
[08:15] <seicean> i usually click Fn+F7
[08:15] <seicean> it usually worked in older ubuntu
[08:15] <reon> seicean, add that ppa and install nvidia-current nvidia-common nvidia settings. afterwards use the nvidia-settings util to configure your monitors.
[08:16] <seicean> ok. thanks
[08:16] <reon> seican, uninstall the old stuff first. in order to apply the settings you need to run the settings util with sudo
[08:17] <csenger41> udevd[111]: '/sbin/modprobe -bv pci:*long code from numbers and some letters* '[208] terminated by signal 9 (killed)
[08:17] <seicean> @reon: which ppa should I add?
[08:18] <_Pete_> reon: I think you can apply settings without sudo but not save them, saving needs sudo
[08:18] <reon> seicean, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[08:18] <reon> _Pete_ correct
[08:19] <reon> csenger41, are you using the desktop or alternate install cd?
[08:19] <csenger41> reon: desktop
[08:19] <csenger41> amd64
[08:19] <csenger41> wait now we managed to get through that error, but then it gives another:
[08:20] <reon> csenger41, and you select the install option right after bios as the cd loads before it loads the livecd desktop environment?
[08:20] <csenger41> sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached the SCSI dick
[08:20] <reon> csenger41, 11.10? What MB you got?
[08:20] <Mikael____> Hello Reon, can you help me too? You seem to be the only one active. I am running Xubuntu 11.10 with XFCE 4.8. I got two 5770's running in crossfire, connected to 2 monitors (DVI Monitor and TV through HDMI). When connected to the TV (Volume is at 60 percent on computer) the sound is distorted, cracks and pops. Any ideas?
[08:20] <csenger41> this is after selecting install
[08:21] <csenger41> yup 11.10, how you mean MB?
[08:21] <reon> Mikael____ Sorry no idea dude, did you check the forums?
[08:21] <csenger41> same problem occurs if i try to start liveCD
[08:21] <reon> csenger41 motherboard
[08:22] <Mikael____> reon, I've tried googling for it with Xubuntu keywords :x
[08:22] <reon> csenger41 and is you try from USB?
[08:22] <csenger41> reon: its a notebook
[08:22] <csenger41> no, from CD
[08:22] <csenger41> but the same problem happened when tried from USB
[08:22] <reon> csenger41 have you tried putting the iso image on a USB stick and booting off that? Can use dd or Unetbootin for that
[08:23] <seicean> @reon: sorry, ppa line not accepted
[08:23] <seicean> should i disable the drivers first?
[08:23] <csenger41> reon: yes, I tried that before and the same thing happened
[08:24] <csenger41> sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
[08:24] <reon> csenger41, What make and model notebook?
[08:24] <csenger41> reon: Acer Aspire 5750G
[08:25] <Mikael____> reon, it should be noted that I don't have this problem in Ubuntu, only in xubuntu. It's weird for me because they use the same base, correct?
[08:25] <reon> seicean, go to that link I gave you, read the 'Read about installing' link and then use the PPA details just below that
[08:25] <hobgoblin> csenger41: is this a DIY pc or one you can give us the make/model of
[08:25] <hobgoblin> sorry - page not updating then lol
[08:25] <reon> Mikael____ Think so but not sure.
[08:27] <csenger41> hobgoblin: at the bottom it says: Aspire 5750G-2434G64Mnbb
[08:27] <Mikael____> reon, is there another IRC channel perhaps that specifies more in pulseaudio problems?
[08:27] <Mikael____> That won't direct me back to here I mean, since this is a sound related issue. :)
[08:28] <hobgoblin> csenger41: is the iso from a torrent - if nnot have you checked the md5sum, have you verified the burn?
[08:28] <Mikael____> Sometimes, there's an obvious answer right infront of me, sorry.
[08:28] <reon> Mikael____ Dunno, gonna say google
[08:28] <csenger41> hobgoblin: no, its from direct download but verified
[08:29] <hobgoblin> csenger41: both the burn and the md5sum ?
[08:29] <csenger41> only the burn
[08:29] <seicean> ok. ppa line added. now it's showing me 3 updates in the update manager...
[08:30] <csenger41> hobgoblin: don't know how MD5 works, never tried that
[08:30] <hobgoblin> csenger41: hang on then
[08:30] <reon> seicean, uninstall the old drivers first, reboot and then install the new ones just to be on the safe side
[08:30] <hobgoblin> csenger41: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[08:30] <reon> csenger41, Your laptop got optimus?
[08:30] <seicean> ok. i'll do that...
[08:31] <csenger41> reon: no its has only Bumblebee lol
[08:31] <csenger41> btw idk whats optimus
[08:31] <csenger41> could you explain that to me please?
[08:32] <reon> csenger41, hang five just looking at something for you
[08:34] <Mikael____> Well, I searched the forums, no luck :(
[08:36] <reon> csenger41, Just gonna start up xubuntu livecd in a vm to look at some boot options, brb
[08:37] <hobgoblin> reon: Id' try nomodeset
[08:38] <seicean> i installed from the ppa and i get"sorry, the installation of driver failed. please see log file"
[08:39] <seicean> i get this for every available driver, 4 in total
[08:39] <reon> what does th log file say?
[08:42] <seicean> 2012-01-19 10:41:38,664 ERROR: XorgDriverHandler.enable(): package or module not installed, aborting
[08:42] <seicean> 2012-01-19 10:41:38,673 ERROR: xorg:nvidia_current: get_alternative_by_name(nvidia-current) returned nothing
[08:42] <seicean> 2012-01-19 10:41:38,793 DEBUG: NVidia(nvidia_current).enabled(): target_alt None current_alt /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/ld.so.conf other target alt None other current alt /usr/lib/nvidia-current/alt_ld.so.conf
[08:42] <seicean> 2012-01-19 10:41:38,793 DEBUG: nvidia_current is not the alternative in use
[08:42] <seicean> 2012-01-19 10:41:53,111 DEBUG: NVidia(nvidia_173).enabled(): target_alt None current_alt /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/ld.so.conf other target alt None other current alt /usr/lib/nvidia-current/alt_ld.so.conf
[08:43] <seicean> 2012-01-19 10:41:53,112 DEBUG: nvidia_173 is not the alternative in use
[08:43] <seicean> 2012-01-19 10:41:53,181 DEBUG: NVidia(nvidia_173_updates).enabled(): target_alt None current_alt /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/ld.so.conf other target alt None other current alt /usr/lib/nvidia-current/alt_ld.so.conf
[08:43] <seicean> 2012-01-19 10:41:53,182 DEBUG: nvidia_173_updates is not the alternative in use
[08:43] <seicean> 2012-01-19 10:41:53,318 DEBUG: NVidia(nvidia_current).enabled(): target_alt None current_alt /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/ld.so.conf other target alt None other current alt /usr/lib/nvidia-current/alt_ld.so.conf
[08:43] <seicean> 2012-01-19 10:41:53,318 DEBUG: nvidia_current is not the alternative in use
[08:43] <seicean> 2012-01-19 10:41:53,461 DEBUG: NVidia(nvidia_current_updates).enabled(): target_alt None current_alt /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/ld.so.conf other target alt None other current alt /usr/lib/nvidia-current/alt_ld.so.conf
[08:43] <seicean> 2012-01-19 10:41:53,461 DEBUG: nvidia_current_updates is not the alternative in use
[08:43] <seicean> 2012-01-19 10:41:53,537 DEBUG: NVidia(nvidia_current).enabled(): target_alt None current_alt /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/ld.so.conf other target alt None other current alt /usr/lib/nvidia-current/alt_ld.so.conf
[08:43] <seicean> 2012-01-19 10:41:53,537 DEBUG: nvidia_current is not the alternative in use
[08:43] <seicean> 2012-01-19 10:41:53,617 DEBUG: NVidia(nvidia_173).enabled(): target_alt None current_alt /usr/
[08:43] <csenger41> hold on dude
[08:43] <csenger41> use pastebin or something like that
[08:43] <hobgoblin> !paste
[08:43] <seicean> sorry
[08:44] <seicean> here is the complete log file  http://paste.ubuntu.com/809447/
[08:45] <reon> csenger41, at boot hit Esc and then F6 and select nomodeset and see if that allows you to boot..
[08:46] <reon> csenger41, else try the text installer option
[08:46] <csenger41> at computer boot?
[08:47] <hobgoblin> when the livecd starts hit space when you see the man and keyboard
[08:47] <reon> when the livecd boots
[08:47] <csenger41> ok trying
[08:50] <csenger41> ok now its working
[08:50] <csenger41> Xubuntu 11.10 appeared and the dots are going under it
[08:51] <reon> ok. stay here and let us know how the install goes, afterwards there might be one or two issue with that laptop I came across
[08:51] <csenger41> ok now the cursor appeared
[08:51] <csenger41> ^.^
[08:52] <seicean> any ideas on the log file?
[08:55] <reon> seicean, open a terminal and copy/past sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[08:56] <reon> csenger41, all still good?
[08:56] <reon> seicean?
[08:56] <seicean> ok. did that
[08:57] <reon> seicean, paste: sudo apt-get update
[08:57] <seicean> ok
[08:57] <reon> seicean, did you hit [enter]?
[08:57] <seicean> yes
[08:57] <reon> when you added the repo
[08:58] <seicean> yep
[08:58] <reon> seicean, sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[08:58] <csenger41> yay now its working
[08:58] <csenger41> installer is good
[08:59] <seicean> ok. installing nvidia.....
[09:00] <seicean> DKMS: install Completed.
[09:00] <reon> csenger41, after the install and reboot you might find you cannot adjust the brightness, have a look at this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1802755
[09:01] <reon> seicean, sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[09:01] <seicean> done
[09:01] <reon> seicean, reboot
[09:01] <seicean> ok
[09:02] <reon> csenger41, let me know when you reboot
[09:04] <seicean> rebooted
[09:04] <csenger41> reon: ok
[09:04] <reon> csenger41, so you rebooted?
[09:05] <reon> and your laptop has a nividia chipset?
[09:05] <reon> seicean, is everything ok?
[09:05] <csenger41> reon: no not yet, CD install is slow as hell :S
[09:06] <reon> :D
[09:06] <seicean> @reon: the nvidia [recommended] are activated by default
[09:06] <seicean> i'll check to see if the external monitor is working
[09:09] <csenger41> ok restarting now
[09:10] <reon> let me know when you done
[09:10] <reon> seicean, how's it going?
[09:11] <seicean> i managed to extend the display the right
[09:12] <seicean> but still cannot disable the main laptop screen
[09:12] <csenger41> ok restarted but screen is dark and does nothing
[09:13] <reon> csenger41, do the nomodeset thing again when you boot
[09:14] <reon> seicean, if you select the laptop display and then click on the resolution drop down and select 'Off' what happens? Don't you have Fn keys on the keyboard to disable the display?
[09:15] <seicean> Fn + F7 still not responding
[09:15] <reon> seicean, you might have to google that, what laptop do you have?
[09:15] <reon> I hate laptops
[09:16] <seicean> Lenovo N500... question: should i disable the laptop screen and leave the external only (requires X restart)
[09:16] <reon> csenger41 ?
[09:17] <reon> seicean, just out of curiosity why do you want to disable it?
[09:17] <csenger41> reon: hold on, had to check something in Windows
[09:18] <csenger41> could that be the problem that swap and EXT4 are on logical partitions?
[09:19] <seicean> @reon: to use it as a main screen at 1920x1060. otherwise the laptop screen will block the resolution at 1280 and the bottom bar is inacessible
[09:20] <reon> seicean, but you can set different resolutions for each display?
[09:20] <csenger41> reon: installation is done, but when I'm trying to boot xubuntu after selecting it from grub, it loads for a while then it stops and the screen goes dark
[09:20] <reon> csenger41, don;t think so
[09:21] <reon> csenger41, did you do the nomodeset thing at the grub menu?
[09:21] <csenger41> how to do that? :S
[09:22] <seicean> apparently, useless. ex: watching a youtube video on external display (1920 resolution) will get to "fullscreen" at the main screen resosution (1280)...
[09:22] <seicean> what if i save x conf file and set the external as main ??? will that do any damage?
[09:22] <hobgoblin> csenger41: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10069997&postcount=1 have a alook at temporarily set boot option on installed
[09:22] <reon> seicean, no
[09:23] <reon> seicean, no damage
[09:23] <seicean> ok. i'll try that. it requires restart
[09:23] <reon> hobgoblin, thanks you saved me a search ;)
[09:23] <hobgoblin> reon: welcome :)
[09:25] <reon> seicean, csenger41 brb need my nicotine fix
[09:25] <seicean> ok. thanks.
[09:25] <csenger41> reon: lol ok
[09:26] <reon> will go later
[09:27] <reon> csenger41, let me know when you have rebooted with the nomodeset option
[09:28] <csenger41> reon: im doing it now
[09:28] <seicean> aparently, i'm not the only one having problems with the external monitor thing on lenovo. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_video_output_switching#Problems_with_Intel_chipsets
[09:28] <csenger41> hobgoblin: the link you gave has a big error lol
[09:29] <csenger41> on the picture the guy typed nomodest instead of nomodeset lol
[09:29] <hobgoblin> yea - he knows ;)
[09:30] <hobgoblin> but the method is good
[09:31] <csenger41> ok restarted now configuring the grub with that guide on the link
[09:31] <hobgoblin> csenger41: k
[09:31] <reon> seicean, maybe start a support thread on the forums with all the details listed
[09:32] <reon> seicean, at least you can now see the display which is a start
[09:32] <seicean> you might have a point! yes, the display is visible.
[09:33] <seicean> i also had ubuntu 10.10, and i clearly remember that EVERYTHING was working out of the box. including shortcut keys
[09:33] <csenger41> fckyeah its working
[09:33] <csenger41> thank you guys for the help :)
[09:33] <csenger41> ur awesome :3
[09:33] <hobgoblin> reon was :)
[09:34] <seicean> i think everything went downhill after 11.04, which was a pain in the ass
[09:34] <reon> csenger41, hang on it's not done
[09:35] <reon> you still have to install the proper nvidia drivers and setup for optimus
[09:36] <csenger41>  i g2g now to eat something :)
[09:36] <reon> csenger41, Read this http://www.ivegotavirus.com/blog/2011/11/06/how-to-get-optimus-working-on-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric/
[09:36] <csenger41> its been 14 hours I've ate anything
[09:36] <csenger41> *eaten
[09:36] <reon> and it's been 3hrs since I had a nicotine fix
[09:36] <csenger41> brb 30min
[09:37]  * hobgoblin sends reon an ethersmoke 
[09:37] <reon> thanks but now I gotto go for the real thing. Might as well get some food as well
[09:37] <hobgoblin> lol
[09:38] <reon> csenger41, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1802755
[13:37] <jn_> Stranges thing, using AWN and have a netbeans, jdownloader and freemind launcher. All java applications, When i launch them they all open up in the netbeans launcher, makes no sense =)
[17:13] <kristjan> hi, which display manager does xubuntu  11.10 use by default? is it lightdm?
[17:15] <Sysi> yup
[17:31] <xubuntu> hey guys
[17:31] <xubuntu> i have a problem
[17:31] <xubuntu> i am installing xubuntu 11.10 right now
[17:31] <xubuntu> i did it once earlier
[17:31] <xubuntu> but now
[17:32] <xubuntu> when i select my language
[17:32] <xubuntu> and then there is a screen with preparing to isntall xubuntu
[17:32] <xubuntu> and when i click at continue
[17:32] <xubuntu> it freezes ...
[17:32] <xubuntu> :-(
[17:32] <xubuntu> my previous distro was fedora 16 xfce
[17:33] <xubuntu> eh GUYS
[17:35] <GridCube> mmm
[17:36] <GridCube> that sounds like a problem
[17:36] <GridCube> are you using the installer from the livecd
[17:36] <GridCube> or the direct install
[17:37] <xubuntu> universal usb installer
[17:37] <xubuntu> via usb
[17:37] <xubuntu> ii am using it always
[17:37] <xubuntu> and always it is working fine
[17:37] <xubuntu> i tried same grid
[17:38] <xubuntu> GridCube ^
[17:38] <xubuntu> and then i do sudo killall ubiquity xD
[17:39] <xubuntu> the installer is extremely slow
[17:39] <xubuntu> ..
[17:39] <xubuntu> ARE YOU THERE?
[17:39] <GridCube> xubuntu im here
[17:39] <GridCube> now, please calm down
[17:39] <xubuntu> ok
[17:39] <GridCube> some times on some hardware it takes a time to thing to be done
[17:40] <xubuntu> yes
[17:40] <xubuntu> but i am a distrohopper
[17:40] <xubuntu> and i want to try xubuntu again
[17:40] <xubuntu> andit worked always fast
[17:40] <GridCube> if you do the only install thing you can alt-f4 and see how its going
[17:40] <xubuntu>  have 8gb ram
[17:40] <xubuntu> 2.93 ghz
[17:40] <xubuntu> so it isnt my hardware :p
[17:40] <GridCube> i don't know :(
[17:40] <xubuntu> ok
[17:40] <GridCube> but you can try the alternate cd
[17:40] <xubuntu> no not the alternate
[17:40] <GridCube> i've never had problems with it
[17:40] <xubuntu> ...
[17:41] <GridCube> i use it all the time :)
[17:41] <xubuntu> i have tried to put the alternate on an usb stick
[17:41] <xubuntu> but it didnt worked :-(
[17:41] <xubuntu> ok
[17:41] <xubuntu> i am now gonna eat
[17:41] <xubuntu> its 17:41 here
[17:41] <GridCube> well i use it with unetbooting
[17:41] <xubuntu> and i will wathc it when i am back
[17:41] <GridCube> and it worked :)
[17:41] <xubuntu> ok
[17:42] <xubuntu> me with universal usb installer
[17:42] <xubuntu> from pendrive
[17:42] <xubuntu> always a good program
[17:42] <xubuntu> very easy to use
[17:42] <GridCube> yep, pendrive, but unetbootin
[17:42] <xubuntu> ...
[17:42] <xubuntu> well
[17:42] <xubuntu> good day
[17:42] <xubuntu> foru
[17:42] <GridCube> :)
[17:42] <xubuntu> i am gonna eat now
[17:42] <GridCube> good for you too
[17:42] <GridCube> enjoy your eatings
[17:42] <xubuntu> :)
[17:42] <xubuntu> thanks
[17:46] <fivedaysahead> enjoy your meal
[17:46] <fivedaysahead> why can users i create see the home directory of other users :(
[17:48] <GridCube> because they all share the same groups
[17:48] <fivedaysahead> ooh
[17:48] <fivedaysahead> which group is that?
[17:49] <GridCube> root? users?
[17:49] <GridCube> dunno
[17:49] <fivedaysahead> users maybe
[17:49] <fivedaysahead> thanks gridcube
[17:49] <fivedaysahead> that makes sense
[17:49] <GridCube> no problem :) enjoy your quest for groups
[17:49] <GridCube> :P
[17:49] <fivedaysahead> heh
[17:50] <fivedaysahead> :)
[17:51] <fivedaysahead> hmm it won't let me transfer files between users?
[17:51] <fivedaysahead> from one home directory to another
[17:51] <fivedaysahead> even they they all can see one another
[17:58] <fivedaysahead> permissions i think
[17:58] <fivedaysahead> hmm
[18:10] <xubuntu> GridCube
[18:11] <xubuntu> Waiting is the right thing :p
[18:11] <xubuntu> i am now a step further
[18:11] <xubuntu> :-)
[18:11] <fivedaysahead> still can't figure out why users can see other users home directory but not transfer between them
[18:11] <xubuntu> lol
[18:11] <xubuntu> maby safety things?
[18:12] <fivedaysahead> safety?
[18:12] <fivedaysahead> hmm maybe idk what that means
[18:12] <mongy> xubuntu, I use grub2 to boot the iso of alternate iso.  works fine.
[18:14] <reon> fivedaysahead, rights issue? one user does not have rights to another users stuff. security.
[18:20] <Myrtti> it's common unix practise, those file permissions
[18:23] <GridCube> fivedaysahead, http://www.techrepublic.com/article/linux-file-and-directory-permissions/1047531
[18:23] <GridCube> :)
[18:24] <GridCube> fivedaysahead, look at this, i know its in spañish but you will get its meaning http://imagebin.org/194475
[18:25] <GridCube> lectura means "read by" so when it says "lectura por grupo" and "lectura por otros" means, reading by group and reading by others, you need to change this
[19:18] <TobyK> Hi, I am new to xubuntu (and linux in general), installed it 4-5 days ago. I have been trying to get my dual screen setup to work properly ever since the install. I have managed to get it up and running somewhat (every time I boot my system my windows manager is " bugged" and I have to manually replace it (xfwm4 --replace)), on top of that I can't enter my Display settings, getting a RandR error when I do so. Lastly, with this boot my second screen has becom
[19:18] <TobyK> e black, I can move my mousepointer over it, but it does not show anything else .. I am using ati drivers which I downloaded (not the fglrx from apt, the one from their website)
[19:20] <TobyK> I must note that I only got my dual screen setup working after I changed my xorg.conf file ... to set Xinerama to 'on'. Looking back at my xorg.conf file now, it seems as if it is empty again
[19:21] <TobyK> If someone could, in some way, help me out I'd be very greatful :-)
[19:21] <mongy> have a look at http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Oneiric_Installation_Guide#Installing_Catalyst_Manually_.28from_AMD.2FATI.27s_site.29      and  http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Oneiric_Installation_Guide#Dual.2FMulti_Monitors
[19:21] <TobyK> mongy, that's the guide I followed :)
[19:22] <mongy> :(
[19:23] <TobyK> well, just let me try some stuff and reboot then
[19:23] <TobyK> can't hurt anyway
[19:23] <TobyK> might be back in a bit haha :D
[19:30] <autif> This exchange above reminds me of an XKCD cartoon http://xkcd.com/456/
[19:38] <TobyK> Ok so apparently I could make it worse. Is there a simple way to reset GUI related things (basically, I want a clean XFCE again)? Because my program bar on the bottom is gone and so is my task bar at the top ... now I am completely lost
[19:38] <TheSheep> TobyK: create a new user
[19:38] <TheSheep> TobyK: it's the easiest way
[19:38] <TheSheep> TobyK: also, press alt+f2 and type xfc4-panel to get your panels back
[19:39] <TheSheep> xfce4-panel
[19:39] <TheSheep> sorry
[19:39] <TobyK> well, that did not work at all
[19:39] <TobyK> no bars what so ever
[19:40] <joey_> Hello
[19:42] <mongy> TobyK, guess you'll have to remove the driver as described in that page. don't forget to remove the xorg.conf as well
[19:43] <TobyK> hmm mongy I haven't removed xorg yet, hopefully that'll help
[19:43] <TobyK> but I think I need a new GUI too, this one is messed up lol
[19:43] <mongy> I've never used a dual monitor setup so have nothing to contribute really.
[19:44] <mongy> I'm a pretty simple user..
[19:44] <TobyK> well, it's sure as hell not as easy as in windows :p (don't shoot me)
[19:45] <TobyK> I like linux, always have, just never had the courage to go through with the learning phase
[19:45] <TheSheep> windows also has its hairy moments, especially with older hardware
[19:46] <TheSheep> the problem of supporting lots of different hardware configurationsi is hard in general
[19:47] <TheSheep> apple has the upper hand because it controls the hardware
[19:47] <TobyK> aye, that's why everybody's on the mac train these days :)
[19:47] <TheSheep> but even they are losing control recently
[19:47] <TheSheep> with the ssd disks and such
[19:49] <TobyK> ahh well, I am working at a development firm and I am the only non-linux guy there (I am a designer haha) so I felt it was about time I started learning linux :)
[19:49] <TobyK> it's biting me in the ass right now though, my screens are completely screwed up, but I will find a solution somehow
[21:33] <vizvo> !help
[21:33] <vizvo> !patience
[21:46] <JWFoxJr> Ok, so I've been working with Xubuntu 11.10 for a couple of days, and found that I need to change the way I do things some (coming from vanilla Ubuntu).
[21:46] <JWFoxJr> I'm having a problem with external USB drives. The drives mount, but I don't have permission to write to them.
[21:47] <JWFoxJr> ls -l in the media directory shows them owned by root:root - what do I need to do to have these writable by a user - is this a groups issue?
[21:54] <TheSheep> JWFoxJr: no, you just need to make them writable by users on the drive by chmod or chown
[21:54] <TheSheep> JWFoxJr: they have their own permissions like any other disk
[21:55] <JWFoxJr> TheSheep: is this just how it's handled with Thunar under XFCE? I haven't run into this issue with Nautilus.
[21:55] <TheSheep> JWFoxJr: no, it's just how file permissions work on linux
[21:57] <JWFoxJr> Please don't assume that I don't know anything; as I said, I've been running vanilla Ubuntu for years, and have never had to adjust permissions for a USB drive when I plug it in.
[21:57] <JWFoxJr> That's why I asked if it was how Thunar handles mounting the drive
[21:58] <holstein> interesting... what filesystem JWFoxJr ?
[21:58] <JWFoxJr> Ext4
[21:58] <TheSheep> JWFoxJr: the ownership and permissions of the files are saved on the disk together with the files
[21:59] <JWFoxJr> and it's not an issue with one Xubuntu install - I'm having the issue on 4 systems.
[21:59] <JWFoxJr> Nope that's not it - wiped the partition on the drive and did a brand new mkfs.ext4 on the drive
[21:59] <TheSheep> JWFoxJr: just chown it to your user
[21:59] <holstein> i think its the ext format.. not that you shouldnt use it.. i have only been using fat
[22:00] <holstein> but, the chown 'll do it
[22:00] <JWFoxJr> well, I guess I'll go with that then...
[22:00] <TheSheep> JWFoxJr: chown the top directory of the drive after you have mounted it
[22:00] <holstein> its not a hack or anything... its just claiming the disk... quite common
[22:02] <JWFoxJr> Maybe vanilla Ubuntu has made me lazy - LOL
[22:02] <holstein> i dont know.. i added an ext2 drive to vanilla, and needed to chown it
[22:02] <TheSheep> JWFoxJr: it works exactly the same way on ubuntu
[22:02] <holstein> maybe it was more to do with the way the drive was formatted
[22:03] <TheSheep> JWFoxJr: and on any posix system in the world
[22:03] <holstein> i have had that issue on OSX
[22:04] <JWFoxJr> TheSheep - like I said - on Ubuntu I never, since at least Fiesty had to change the permissions on an ext3 or ext4 drive when I plugged it in - I always had r/w on it.
[22:05] <holstein> interesting.. i have always had to.. again, mabye it has to do with the way you format, and the ownership at that stage
[22:06] <holstein> regardless, you are not finding the drive writeable, and chown is the way to get that functionality
[22:06] <TheSheep> JWFoxJr: apparently the tool you used to format it changed the ownership of the top directory for you
[22:08] <JWFoxJr> I don't know - maybe the solution is just to find a Windows box and format it NTFS and just use fuse.
[22:09] <JWFoxJr> It's a portable USB drive, so I use it in many places.
[22:09] <holstein> gparted is what i use
[22:09] <holstein> i prefer fat... unless i need it for big files
[22:10] <JWFoxJr> I know I can create an NTFS from linux - just set the partitition type to #7, but gparted will actually format it?
[22:11] <holstein> i have made them with gparted.. thats the tool i use... gparted, from a live CD, or from within ubuntu
[22:11] <JWFoxJr> ok, thanks for the help - time to go drive home in a snow storm (outside of Buffalo, NY)
[22:11] <holstein> i think it was osx that was a drag to use with ntfs, and i dont personally take advantage of the differences between FAT and ntfs
[22:14] <TheSheep> buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo!
[22:15] <Myrtti> gruffalo.
[22:48] <harris> hello