[06:18] <Tm_T> why "sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta" leads /etc/apt/sources.list.d/kubuntu-ppa-beta-oneiric.list having string "ain" at the bottom?
[06:19] <micahg> that's a bug, I'm not sure if it's been fixed in precise yet
[06:20] <Tm_T> so it's known, good
[06:20] <micahg> well, I know about it, not sure if I reported it or not
[06:21] <Tm_T> ach
[06:21] <Tm_T> have time seeing if it's reported?
[06:23] <micahg> hmmm, I don't see it
[10:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: It just needs the newer kdevplatform
[10:43] <shadeslayer> which had not been built by the time kdevelop-php and kdevelop-php-docs were being built, so now someone just needs to hit the retry button
[10:46] <micahg> shadeslayer: seems like the build-depends should have been updated in that case
[10:49] <Riddell> retried
[10:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kdevelop-php failed again?  is it the same issue?
[11:05] <jussi> So, Ive got a small bug on my 12.04 - can someone confirm a maximised chromium browser doesnt have close/maximise/minimise buttons??
[11:11] <Riddell> jussi: -> #ubuntu+1 I guess
[11:15] <jussi> Riddell: I suppose. (asked there now. thought this channel was relevant also
[11:28] <Riddell> jussi: it's relevent if you frame it as a kwin question, of course we let you off because we like you :)
[11:28] <jussi> awww
[11:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes, I believe kdevplatform hasn't been published yet
[11:56] <shadeslayer> micahg: yes, I update it for everything else ...
[11:56] <shadeslayer> *updated
[11:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: or published to universe?
[11:58] <shadeslayer> Uhh ... dunno, maybe launchpad messed up then? I see : Note: Some binary packages for this source are not yet published in the repository. 
[11:58] <shadeslayer> and all packages are pending publication
[11:59] <shadeslayer> the publisher is overworked perhaps
[12:00] <Riddell> maybe
[12:20] <jussi> Riddell: so it seems its not happening on unity, I hope one of the kde peoples here can check if its just me (and my upgrade) or if its kwin related.
[12:23] <Riddell> jussi: I have window control with max chromium and kwin
[12:24] <Riddell> agateau: any idea why I'm getting "  Unknown libjpeg version:
[12:24] <Riddell> "
[12:24] <Riddell> when compiling gwenview from 4.8?
[12:56] <Riddell> oh release meeting, I need to leave early again (won't happen in future weeks), who wants to represent?
[13:01] <fabo> Riddell: can do if you have the report :)
[13:01] <fabo> still not sent ;)
[13:03] <Riddell> fabo: looking for the template, where is it?
[13:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ScottK kdevplatform is in new because of the library so bump
[13:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so it is, I was missing it
[13:09] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:11] <ScottK> Riddell: I can do the release meeting today.
[14:01] <Riddell> ScottK, fabo: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000741.html and anything else you wish to say
[14:03] <fabo> ok
[14:09] <ScottK> OK
[14:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't understand the Qt/arm comment.  What's the issue that needs a new kernel? fabo: Do you know about that one?
[14:17] <Riddell> ScottK: qt wasn't build on armhf last I looked
[14:17] <Riddell> ran out of memory, infinity says new kernel coming will sort
[14:18] <ScottK> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4:4.8.0-1ubuntu1/+build/3096677
[14:18] <ScottK> Looks pretty built to me.
[14:19] <Riddell> oh webkit
[14:19] <ScottK> Ah.
[14:19] <Riddell> yeah, not pretty https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source/2.2.1-1ubuntu1
[14:25] <ScottK> Yep.  Got it now.
[14:46] <yofel> the hell
[14:47]  * yofel left his notebook running over night and just had to close 39 wifi password prompts @_@
[14:47] <Riddell> weird
[14:50] <Riddell> I'm cracking on with 4.8 so anyone wanting to help should ask me again so we don't overlap
[15:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm fixing the lack of space on the arm box now.
[15:16] <Riddell> oh thanks
[15:16] <Riddell> I don't think I'll get to it until after SC 4.8 is done
[15:16] <Riddell> thanks for replying to colin too
[15:28] <ScottK> That's what reminded me it needed doing ...
[15:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Should be much better now that I've cleaned things up a bit.  If you can move your build to a directory in /var/cache it's got ~an order of magnitude more free space.  If there's enough now where you are, don't worry about moving.
[15:36] <Riddell> I'm giving debuild -nc  a try
[15:36] <Riddell> hmm, or am I
[15:36] <Riddell> might have killed the compile, oh well time to start again
[16:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you around for the release meeting after all?
[16:10]  * fabo was wondering the same
[16:11] <Riddell> ScottK: depends when we get called I have to leave in about 40 mins
[16:11] <ScottK> OK.  You might just PM pitti asking to go early in the meeting.
[16:11]  * ScottK has done that before.
[16:14] <Riddell> or apachelogger could write a bot to do it
[16:14] <Riddell> it's hardly taxing
[16:14] <Riddell> just takes concentration
[16:26] <Quintasan_> Riddell: Can you renew my kubuntu-ppa membership?
[16:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: hmm, do we trust you?
[16:28] <Riddell> changed to expires never
[16:29] <Quintasan> Riddell: Of course you do :)
[16:29] <Quintasan> Thanks
[16:35] <Riddell> gosh we all missed the slot
[16:35] <Riddell> a bot would be far more reliable
[16:36] <fabo> oups I skipped expecting you to reply...
[16:37] <Riddell> I blame the meeting format, really not convinced it's any good
[16:47] <ScottK> Since I jumped on ogra's slot, I think we got all the discussion we needed done anyway.
[16:49] <shadeslayer> Can anyone reproduce this : http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2012/q1/200 ?
[16:50] <ScottK> Which key is "Multiply"?
[16:50] <shadeslayer> uh, Shift + 8 here
[16:51] <debfx> shadeslayer: X server 1.11 is not yet in precise, see latest ubuntu-devel posts
[16:53] <shadeslayer> grrrr ... I'm subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce under the label ubuntu devel
[16:55] <shadeslayer> ScottK: did you get around to letting kdevplatform out of new?
[16:56] <ScottK> I did not.
[16:56] <shadeslayer> :(
[17:21] <ScottK> debfx: We should probably discuss with fabo.  "<debfx> we could just pass -c0 to dpkg-gensymbols again like we do in qt4-x11 since it's unlikely that upstream will break abi and 95% of the symbols aren't really part of the public abi anyway"
[17:21] <ScottK> (from #ubuntu-devel)
[17:23] <fabo> what's the issue? qtwebkit again
[17:23] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:23] <fabo> imo -c0 is a work around
[17:23] <ScottK> Specifically https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source/2.2.1-1ubuntu1/+build/3096700/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-powerpc.qtwebkit-source_2.2.1-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:24] <ScottK> armhf build is in progress, so we should have a build log from it later today.
[17:25] <fabo> we should update the symbols file, if we don't do that, there's no point to have the symbols file in the 1st place
[17:26] <fabo> I know it's painfull
[17:41] <Peace-> hi guys
[17:41] <shadeslayer> hi Peace-
[17:42] <Peace-> i wonder if there is a good way to overwrite vlcrc  without /etc/skel sstuff
[17:42] <Peace-> because i did vlc service  menu ... but i need of dbus enabled by default for vlc
[17:43] <Peace-> hi shadeslayer
[17:43] <shadeslayer> Peace-: thats a question for #ubuntu or #kubuntu
[17:44] <Peace-> well i am doing a debina stuff
[17:44] <Peace-> :D
[17:44] <Peace-> *debian package
[17:44] <Peace-> at least i am trying to
[17:46] <shadeslayer> Peace-: uh, wait, then I mis understood the question, you're trying to package vlc?
[17:46] <yofel> maybe you can put something in /etc/vlc/, I'm not sure what that folder is used for and how
[17:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: hah, thiago made a follow up post to the earlier post, so now you have 2 posts to read :D
[17:47] <Peace-> shadeslayer: no ... i did a service menu for vlc...
[17:47] <yofel> great, I didn't even finish the first one yet ^^
[17:48] <Peace-> shadeslayer: so... now i would like create a debian package and i did but... the vlcrc is a pain 
[17:48] <shadeslayer> Peace-: sorry, I have no idea what you're trying to do :(
[17:48] <Peace-> :D
[17:48] <yofel> he needs to set a vlc setting globally
[17:48] <yofel> and I'm clueless how to do that
[17:48] <yofel> see vlc docs
[17:49] <shadeslayer> don't some packages do that?
[17:49] <Peace-> shadeslayer: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/vlc+append?content=118298
[17:49] <shadeslayer> I wouldn't have the slightest idea where to point, but I'm sure I've seen some packages do that
[17:51]  * Peace- actually is doing a lots more...  0.0  http://plasma-panels-script.googlecode.com/svn/Testingkubuntu/
[17:51]  * yofel goes back to reading 8080 processor instruction set
[17:51] <yofel> ancient technology is fun
[17:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: wait till you read about the memory organization in 8086
[18:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any 4.8 packages that I can work on?
[18:27] <shadeslayer> We need to write a script to automate downloading everything, bumping kde-sc-dev-lates, debuild and upload, then fix any build errors
[18:30] <jussi> shadeslayer: you just gave yourself a task.... ;)
[18:31] <shadeslayer> jussi: will probably write it in the upcoming weeks, can't do it before start of feb
[18:31] <shadeslayer> Shouldn't be too hard
[18:31] <jussi> :D
[18:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: you might want to recycle kgetsource then, that does half of that
[18:32] <yofel> it's ruby though
[18:32] <shadeslayer> gah, not ruby, I'll do it in pythorn
[18:32] <shadeslayer> or bash ... 
[18:33] <Peace-> shadeslayer: :) if you have time do a package for my plasma panels then :P
[18:34] <shadeslayer> :{
[18:34] <shadeslayer> s/}/P/
[18:34] <kubotu> shadeslayer: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[18:35] <shadeslayer> silly kubotu
[18:35] <yofel> you probably need to escape that ^^
[18:35] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:39] <Peace-> :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYzEty1TYAE
[18:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: oh btw, I don't need kgetsource, rsync ftw
[18:43] <shadeslayer> I just rsync the entire src folder :P
[18:43]  * yofel has an alias for that too
[18:44] <shadeslayer> so we can just run the script on a EC2 machine / Machine that has a ton of bandwidth
[18:44] <yofel> but that's rather heavy on your bandwidth
[18:44] <shadeslayer> ^^
[18:45] <shadeslayer> yofel: the aim is to get releases like 4.8.1 -> 4.8.4 out faster
[18:45] <shadeslayer> since they don't require alot of changes
[18:45] <yofel> I understand that, but you still need to build every package as a test
[18:45] <shadeslayer> Not really, I'm more of the opinion of just upload the package and check the logs
[18:46] <yofel> so auto-preparing a package makes sense, kgetsource does that
[18:46] <yofel> batch preparing doesn't IMO
[18:46] <yofel> you can't check for added files from the PPA logs
[18:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: but you can just look at the build log and fix stuff with smaller uploads later on
[18:46] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: but then what's the chance they add files in a bug fix release?
[18:47] <yofel> tiny, but it happens
[18:47] <shadeslayer> has that ever happened? ( I'm not implying it will not happen, just curious if this has ever happened "
[18:47] <yofel> I think
[18:48] <shadeslayer> hmm ... in that case, yeah, the script will have to test build
[18:49] <ScottK> There was one file rename in 4.7.4.
[18:49] <ScottK> So it's not unheard of.
[18:49] <ScottK> (caused a build failure)
[18:51] <shadeslayer> Heh, I just had another idea, parallelizing builds after kdebase/kdelibs and essential stuff gets build
[18:51] <shadeslayer> *built
[18:51] <shadeslayer> really difficult to pull off though
[18:51] <yofel> doable, but then how are you going to manage collaboration?
[18:51] <yofel> sure it's not a problem if Riddell does everything himself, but...
[18:52] <ScottK> For point releases it's been mostly one person anyway.
[18:52]  * Peace- mm :) my service menu for apt dpkg works fine
[18:52] <yofel> hm, true
[18:52] <ScottK> IIRC yofel did 4.7.3 and I did 4.7.4.
[18:52] <yofel> yeah
[18:53] <ScottK> And if it was easy to just run a script and heave it at a PPA, then it'd be ~easy to deal with.
[18:53] <ScottK> (but I'm not putting my private key in some EC2 instance)
[18:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: well, I could make it build and upload essential stuff first and then factor in the average time to build essential stuff from previous releases, make the script sleep for that time ( till now the packages are built in the PPA ) and then dispatch multiple builds
[18:53] <yofel> you could use lplib to query the actual publishing state
[18:53] <shadeslayer> the average time would need to be computed by hand though, don't think Launchpad can give me that data
[18:53] <yofel> not sure if that shows the binaries though
[18:54] <shadeslayer> hmmm ...
[18:54] <yofel> maybe query by existing deb in architecture
[18:54] <shadeslayer> possibly, you have more experience in that area ;)
[18:56] <ScottK> You can query build status I believe.  It might be easier to toss it all up there and then have a retry script.
[18:57] <yofel> or have the preparation script not only bump kde-sc-dev-latest but also the actual dependencies
[18:57] <shadeslayer> ScottK: that's what I suggested earlier, but then you guys mentioned that files get renamed and stuff
[18:57] <yofel> then LP could use dep-wait
[18:57] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[18:58] <shadeslayer> then we probably need some sort of dictionary to match build deps in the control file
[18:58] <shadeslayer> so if we find that word in build depends, bump it
[18:58] <yofel> well, you can take the list from meta-kde
[19:00] <shadeslayer> sounds like a neat project :P
[19:01] <yofel> actually, you could just apply the whole list with sed. It'll just update what actually exists
[19:01] <yofel> yeah
[19:01] <yofel> it would unitfy our workflow too
[19:01] <yofel> *unify
[19:01] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:04] <shadeslayer> so, Download tars -> update build deps -> build -> check status of essential deps -> upload
[19:05]  * shadeslayer will start working on this after exams
[19:26] <shadeslayer> huh http://paste.kde.org/190082/
[19:38] <shadeslayer> yay, no more silly packagekit timeout
[22:04] <Quintasan> yofel: is packaging wiki up to date?
[22:05] <yofel> no idea, best check the PPA for what's up
[22:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: work on anything not in ninjas already
[22:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I want to automate it with ec2
[22:25] <Riddell> but need to learn the APIs 
[22:25] <debfx> the code of the scripts that generate http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/ are now on https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-web in case someone is interested in them