[00:02] hm muon keeps segfaulting on start [00:02] wtf? [00:02] more exactly, muon-installer does that === Kalidarn is now known as zz_Kalidarn [00:38] Can someone tell me why i can not login after i install Kubuntu. i enter info exactly but it stays on login [00:40] Anyone even here [00:41] Kezryk: Yes, we're here [00:41] Is support here [00:41] Not always watching the channel though, some of us are in a lot of different places :) [00:41] Yes, this is the support channel. [00:42] So you're trying to login, right? Which display manager are you using? KDM? [00:42] I am trying to install Kubuntu, i have always been mswindows user, but want to try linux and i cant login after i install it [00:43] So you have installed it, but now you can't logon, is that correct? [00:43] what ever th default is [00:43] yes [00:44] Ok. I will tell you firstly, how to restart the display manager. [00:44] wait until I have explained this, before you do it. [00:45] ok actually just reinstalling it [00:45] for the umteenth time [00:45] keep this information though, just in case [00:45] You need to press CTRL, ALT and F1 together, and try to login on a terminal. [00:45] Maybe you should also try to log in with a text terminal [00:45] ha [00:45] :) [00:45] if you can login there, type in sudo service kdm restart and hit enter [00:46] terminal server from windows will work?? [00:46] no, you need to do this from linux [00:46] I am totally green on linux [00:47] once it's installed, you can do this even if you cannot login to kubuntu's desktop [00:47] Kezryk: I guessed, since you said you were an mswindows user, which is why I'm teaching you :) [00:47] lol [00:48] I'm ex-windows user too, left at Windows XP and came onto linux, never went back. [00:49] I like the looks of Kubuntu so far as i have seen it. but dont know how to do a darn thing [00:49] So if once you've installed kubuntu, you follow the instructions I just gave you, see if you can login on a terminal. If not, you need to come back to us :) [00:50] But stay here for now, in case you have any other questions. We don't bite. (much) :) [00:50] ok, thx [00:51] if you can't login, incidentally, you need to come back to the GUI (the graphic bit) - press CTRL, ALT and F7 or F8 to do that. [00:51] That's why I tell people to wait until I've explained it all to them, because if they just jump in and go straight to the terminal, a lot of them don't know how to get back :D [00:53] Makes sense [00:53] someone told me earlier to do the CTRL,ALT,F1. but nothing happened and i left too soon i guess [00:59] does Kubuntu require an extra package to play movie DVD's? Dragon Player, VLC and bangrang will not play a DVD. Thanks [01:00] ScottyK: install kubuntu-restriced-extras [01:01] James - Thanks.. [01:04] Does the system require a reboot to get this to work? [01:19] Ok BarkingFish, i know now why i couldnt login. [01:24] is there something like automatic update for kubuntu?? [01:25] yes but you have to configurate an internet acces first....it's called package manager [01:25] the default one is "muon package manager" [01:25] hi how can i see the boot menue in kubuntu? [01:25] shift? [01:26] do you mean GRUB ? [01:26] yeah before booting the kernel [01:26] i want to choose the kernel [01:27] geri: shift should show the menu in grub2 [01:27] i have grub1 [01:27] i think :D [01:27] shift didnt work [01:27] geri: what version of kubuntu are toy on (kubuntu hasent use grub1 in along time) [01:27] i have ubuntu :D [01:27] 10.10 [01:28] shoudl iset this? http://openpaste.org/27300254 [01:29] then you should have grub2 ^^ you can force grub to always show the menu by editing /etc/default/grub and running "sudo update-grub" (or was it "grub-update"...) [01:29] my grub.cfg: http://openpaste.org/76Bc943e [01:31] James147, what should i change there? [01:31] hidden timeout is 0 [01:32] geri: you should edit /etc/default/grub [01:32] i opend it [01:32] enable grub_gfx_mode? [01:33] geri: comment out "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=5" and "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true" then run update-grub [01:33] update? [01:34] otherwize its not effective? [01:36] hidden_timeout is 0 here [02:49] What is the terminal command to initiate an update? [02:58] Kezryk: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" all on one line. [03:33] how do I tell upowerd to log verbosely? === zz_Kalidarn is now known as Kalidarn [04:21] any reason i cant type in terminal but i can everywhere else [04:21] Err better yet i cant type the password in terminal mode [04:23] nvm [04:27] James147, why is a run update-grub necessary? [04:45] how can i see the boot menue in ubuntu? i already comment out "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=5" and "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true" .... is that all? [04:48] is it safe to install kernel 3.2.1? [04:50] or 3.1.10? === IdleOne is now known as pangolin [05:30] hi [05:30] i installed kubuntu-ppa for kde4.7.4 [05:31] upgraded..... [05:31] but the apps are still at 4.7.3 ?!?!? wtf?!? [05:41] how can i see the boot menue in ubuntu? i already comment out "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=5" and "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true" .... is that all? === Gerald is now known as geri [06:04] i installed kubuntu-ppa for kde4.7.4 but kmail2 is still 4.7.3 ?!? [06:05] KDE 4.8! [06:06] ?!? [06:07] dasKreech: what are you trying to tell me? [06:11] Try the KDE 4.8 PPA? [06:12] dasKreech: isnt it even more beta? [06:12] Kinda RC but .... [06:12] hm [06:13] It's coming out in 5 days [06:13] and where is the 4.8ppa? [06:13] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.7.97 [06:13] thnx [06:15] hm [06:15] add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta && apt-get dist-upgrade and it says nothing to upgrade? [06:17] wait i fogot "apt-get update" [06:17] now it is updating. [06:18] by doing this all the future updates will be rc/beta unless i remove that ppa again? [06:19] muh2000: if rc/betas are newer than stable release, yes [06:20] Tm_T: and when there is a stable release it will upgrade to the stable release? [06:20] yes [06:20] :) [06:20] apt-get uses the newest available if possible, repositories just enables them as sources [06:20] thnx === Darkwing is now known as DarkwingSCALE === Kalidarn is now known as zz_Kalidarn === fred_ is now known as Guest23453 === Guest23453 is now known as fred__ [08:11] I'm stuggling to 'add more sensors to my plasmoid temperature monitor widget' [08:12] lm-sensors shows cpu (per core) and gpu, where the widget only shows my gpu === thierry is now known as Ghosty_CC === peace_ is now known as Peace- [10:46] chanserv irc.freenode.net [10:51] hi [10:51] where do i find file associations in oneiric ocelot ? === GarGarOzz is now known as myGra === myGra is now known as GarGarOzz === zz_Kalidarn is now known as Kalidarn [11:59] hello, which dvd player is best suited to read interactive DVD's on kubuntu? [12:11] i added the package sudo add-apt-repository ppa:team-xbmc but now sudo apt-get update fails [12:11] how can i rmeove it? [12:19] !info ppa-purge [12:19] ppa-purge (source: ppa-purge): disables a PPA and reverts to official packages. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.8+bzr56 (oneiric), package size 4 kB, installed size 56 kB [12:19] freedvd: ^^ [12:20] thanks [12:51] I am having an issue resuming my computer from sleep mode in 11.10 on as asus g74s anyone have this issue? [13:01] Hey could some one help me out of the problem while installing man-db. I have pasted the error report here -> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/537758/ [13:03] I am having an issue resuming my computer from sleep mode in 11.10 on as asus g74s anyone have this issue? [13:05] Well thanks i fixed it myself! === Kalidarn is now known as zz_Kalidarn [13:46] Hi all [14:42] hi, I'm trying to upgrade to oneiric but having some problems, wonder if anybody could help [14:42] the upgrade process seems to be obscured by ubuntu [14:42] I'm not sure why, maybe at some point when I installed gnome or something === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:52] gnathan, describe "obscured" , not sure what you mean [14:53] when is it necessary to call blacklist before i do modprobe? [14:57] I'm trying to install Kubuntu 11.10 on my laptop. The live CD does detect my wireless network card (it shows up in iwconfig as wlan0), but somehow I can't scan for or connect to networks in the Network Manager. Also, 'iwlist wlan0 scan' returns an error. Is there anything I can do about it before installing or should I install on a wire and solve the problem later (maybe by downloading some extra drivers)? [14:57] Gerald, blacklist if needed just before you modprobe the module you want to use , then reboot if necessary [14:59] ShishKabab, sudo ifconfig wlan0 up , then, sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid , then try to connect . [15:01] BluesKaj: thanks, erm, I'm not exactly sure either, but when I try the various things that should supposedly lead to a KDE upgrade option, I either get nothing or an option to upgrade Ubuntu [15:01] and when I do cat /etc/issue I get "Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS" [15:02] when in fact, the only OS I have "officially" installed is kub === ceco is now known as vyrgozunqk [15:04] for example, if I try "sudo update-manager -d" the upgrade option that is presented to me is "new Ubuntu release '12.04' is available" [15:04] BluesKaj: sudo ifconfig wlan0 up says 'SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory' [15:04] and if I do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" it just says, nothing to install [15:04] gnathan, did you remove ubuntu-desktop previous to the upgrade then , update and ugrade with apt , then run sudo do-release-upgrade [15:04] (even with update) [15:05] no, I didn't know to do that [15:05] I can try it [15:05] ok I tried with apt and got "Package ubuntu-desktop is not installed, so not removed" [15:06] the upgrade OS command is sudo do-release-upgrade , the dist-upgrade just upgrades the desktop and packages with the present OS [15:06] gnathan, ^ [15:06] I just tried do-release-upgrade, again, it did nothing [15:06] Checking for a new ubuntu release [15:06] No new release found [15:07] lsb_release -a [15:08] does anyone know how to disable touchpad while typing ? === savio is now known as RocknRolla [15:08] LSB Version: core-2.0-ia32:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-ia32:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-ia32:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-ia32:core-3.2-noarch:core-4.0-ia32:core-4.0-noarch [15:08] tayfun: http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/ubuntu-automatically-disable-touchpad.html [15:08] Distributor ID: Ubuntu [15:08] Description: Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS [15:08] Release: 10.04 [15:08] Codename: lucid [15:08] gnathan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [15:09] ShishKabab, wlan0=dhcp , then , sudo dhclient wlan0 [15:09] !LTS | gnathan [15:09] gnathan: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04) [15:10] Blues: yes, but I don't remember ever installing ubuntu specifically [15:10] Peace: thank you a lot ! [15:10] I have no idea why it's saying that. I run KDE, and as far as I know kubuntu. [15:11] tayfun: well thank google i jut googled your question [15:11] lucid support everything [15:11] it's just that I'd rather not do a fresh install if there's something simple I can do to get the automatic upgrade option back [15:12] Peace : i actually google and tried them but could not worked yet [15:12] gnathan, gnathan you can't upgrade to oneiric directly , you need to do a clean install , jumping OS releases can be done but you have to go to 10.10 , then 11.04 . then 11.10...better to just back up your data and download the iso [15:13] tayfun: webup8 is a good webiste it should work [15:13] tayfun: good luck [15:13] Blues: ok, I'll do that. I have no idea what happened here, but thanks for the help :) [15:14] BluesKaj: I see 'RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory' and the process keeps running. I still get the same errors for ifconfig and iwlist. [15:14] ShishKabab, what does iwconfig tell you [15:15] ShishKabab, also what wifi chip , you may need to load the module/driver [15:16] gnathan: fyi, Kubuntu is Ubuntu, what most people call "Ubuntu" is really Ubuntu with Gnome/Unity. same project, different UIs. If you want to upgrade to Oneiric you must upgrade to Maverick, then Natty, then Oneiric. Or you can wait a couple of months for the next LTS release (Precise) and you'll be offered an upgrade then [15:18] BluesKaj: It's a BCM43xx chip. I tried modbrobe bcm, and that shows bcm203x, bcm3510, bcm5974, bcma and bcm_wimax. [15:20] BluesKaj: And iwlist tells me a lot, what are you interested in? Is ESSID:off/any and Mode:Managed interesting? === mattias_ is now known as Guest26018 [15:24] ShishKabab, pastebin the iwconfig pls [15:26] BluesKaj: I don't have internet on the laptop, so I can't paste it :(. I think I better plug it into a wired connection. From https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx it looks like I'll need internet anyway. [15:30] BluesKaj: I have to go to another room now, but thanks for your help! [15:34] ts2: thanks, yes, I was aware of that: but I still thought that the automatic kubuntu upgrade would be branded as "kubuntu", rather than offering anupgrade to "ubuntu"? [15:34] because, for instance, I dont' really want unity [15:35] it won't give you unity, it _upgrades_ what you have [15:36] oh ok, so even though it says "ubuntu", it'll still leave me with kde? [15:36] I understand it's not that obvious, but Ubuntu is the OS name, Kubuntu is the "flavour" [15:36] kind of like how Windows does Home, Professional, whatever. Same OS, but different defaults etc [15:37] (except that Ubuntu flavours aren't chopped up and sold for outrageous prices) [15:39] ah, thanks I think your prompt about upgrading first to maverick just led me to discover the problem [15:40] I didn't understand that the LTS version would only upgrade to the next LTS release [15:40] you can change it, it's just by default [15:40] yeah, doing that that now [15:41] most LTS installs want to stick to LTS [15:42] gnathan, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades , this also applies to kubuntu [15:42] ah, great, I now have the upgrade option in kpackagekit [15:43] thanks both for the help :D [15:45] yeahh , I forgot what the command is to change from a LTS to the next regular release [15:46] maybe there's a command, I edited /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades as suggested here http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-upgrade-kubuntu-10.04-lucid-lynx-to-10.10-maverick-meerkat [15:47] gnathan: that sounds about right, though kpackagekit (and presumably moun) could also edit that setting [15:49] * ts2 coughs and points James147 and gnathan to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu [15:50] ts2: yup, thats the gui way, the cli way is to edit the above mention file [15:51] * BluesKaj always upgrades to the next releas , be it LTS or just a regular release [15:52] running 12.04 alpha here === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [17:02] BluesKaj, what happens if i dont do modprobe before? [17:02] i mean blacklist... [17:15] Hi there. I don't know, if this is the right place to ask. If not, please point me to the right channel. I have made an xorg update yesterday and since then I cannot start the desktop effects because they became to slow. Here's the update log: http://pastebin.com/9V6CTqmB [17:16] fkm: ubuntu version? [17:17] fkm: 11.10 Oneiric? [17:17] Ubuntu 11.10 [17:17] Linux medusa 3.0.0-15-generic #25-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 2 17:45:26 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux [17:17] can kwallet be deleted with out killing my wifi? [17:19] yes, though you might have to retype your password [17:19] it makes me type password every time i login is that normal? [17:19] mydogsnameisrudy: you can also configure networkmanager to store passwords in a plain text file [17:20] Gerald, blackilst first then modprobe [17:20] mydogsnameisrudy: it is if you have somehting that requires a password after login (such as wifi) [17:21] ok im going to google some then thx [17:22] mydogsnameisrudy: if you dont want to type it in then you basically have two option, tell networkmanager to store passwords in plane text (bypassing kwallet) or create a passwordless wallet (this basically stores all passwords unencrypted and isnt recomended) [17:22] ........... [17:23] ok coming from gnome to kde im a bit confused [17:23] ?? [17:23] why it needs this [17:23] * James147 also notes that kdes password sotage system is going to change in the next release or 2 of kde ^^ so things might change then) [17:23] alguem? [17:23] 12.04? [17:24] mydogsnameisrudy: its because kwallet encrpyts passwords with a master password, and thus requires it to access the passwords again... it also dose not store this password anywhere (doing so voids having it in the first palce) [17:24] * BluesKaj disables the kwalletmanager , it's mostly a pita for home users [17:24] ok hmmm might let it go for now then see how it goes [17:25] mydogsnameisrudy: However, what gnome dose that kde dose not (yet! hopefully) iss use the login password to attempt to unlock the wallet ... which is why it always asks you [17:27] James147: do you know something about vlc and system wide settings for it? [17:27] James147: this sicker doesn't want read my config file form /etc/vlc/vlcrc [17:27] Peace-: tend not to use vlc... though dose it store system wide settings like other apps? [17:28] James147: nah is not kde app so... [17:28] (or am I just to use to kde apps doing this) LD [17:29] Peace-: there is always the hack of placing its config in /etc/skele, will basically set it up for new users :) [17:32] James147: mmm but it didnt worked for me [17:32] even in skel [17:33] Peace-: skel only gets copied when creating a new user... [17:33] so wouldnt affect existing users unfortinutly [17:35] James147: dah [17:35] James147: nice to know [17:35] James147: well to re-read ... i forget it [17:35] James147: :D ty [17:35] Peace-: or the other way, place a symlink in /etc/skel to the config :) [17:35] (as well as all users) [17:36] James147: arch user right ? [17:36] yeah [17:37] James147: i hated it intel bug :D [17:37] intel bug? [17:37] i dunno there was a bug and i got a well black screen xd [17:37] i edited the kernel and it started [17:38] not seen that ever :S [17:38] James147: i guess it's for some card only [17:38] hi everybody [17:38] I'm new here [17:38] Welcome hynzo [17:38] hi [17:39] :) [17:39] how are you ? [17:39] hynzo: you might want to join #kubuntu-offtopic for general chat, this channel is dedicated to kubuntu support issues [17:40] so is this a developpers community [17:40] hynzo: no, this is a users community, #kubuntu-devel for developers talk :) [17:41] I want to join kubuntu develeppers team, I'm a Qt learner [17:42] hynzo: then you will want to join #kubutu-devel channel :) also see http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute [17:42] hynzo, then type /join #kubuntu-devel or click on the link James147 provided [17:43] ok tank you [17:43] hynzo: or if you want to develop for kde specifically (which will indrectly help kubuntu) join #kde and #kde-devel [17:45] I didn't find any one there :) [17:47] hynzo: people are more likly to respond to a qustion then general chat [17:50] hynzo: also, be patience, people idlely watch these channels and can take a while to respond :) [17:51] hynzo, I saw you join #kde , but you didn't ask a question [18:07] eae [18:07] alguem aew fala portugues???????? [18:09] !pt | kurumin [18:09] kurumin: Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigado. [18:09] lol [18:38] BluesKaj, blacklist command not found === Mac-azzon is now known as MacSeal [18:58] is anyone else's GTK programs being rendered with a black background? :( [18:59] oh, right I should be in #kubuntu+1 [18:59] smjms: Last I knew there was only #ubuntu+1 [19:00] !blacklist | Gerald [19:00] Gerald: To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist.conf and add « blacklist » to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type « sudo update-initramfs -u » [19:00] it will not load the module if i start linux? [19:01] i overloading the module using dkms... [19:04] Gerald, the proper file is , /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf , use root permissions if intend to add a module , add the module to the file then reboot , you can also modprobe the correct module before reboot ing [19:05] * James147 thourgh blacklist.conf was depracated and you should just use modprob.conf ^^ [19:05] James147, it still works in 12.04 [19:12] * BluesKaj doesn't see an modprobe.conf file , doesn't exist [19:12] BluesKaj: :) think i was getting my distos confused again... [19:13] James147, ok [19:13] BluesKaj: but your riht, blacklist.conf on kubuntu seems to be the way [19:15] the /etc/modprobe.d file has the dkms.conf , alsa-base.conf and several others === Gerald is now known as geri [19:40] How do I switch to Kubuntu and remove almost all the default GNOME applications? === Engonyr is now known as robbit10 [19:40] !purekde | robbit10 [19:40] robbit10: If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde » [19:41] Unit193: Thanks :) [19:41] 'welcome [19:57] <_jam> the latest security update to 11.10 is giving me a dependency conflict, and when I try to run with --full-resolver, it basically wants to remove everything [19:57] <_jam> anyone else experiencing this? [20:01] _jam, to remove dependency conflicts , sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends nameofpackage(s) , you may have to run this command several times to remove the depends , they''ll be listed in the terminal , or you can find them in the /var/log file as well [20:02] <_jam> this removes the packages, does it not? [20:03] <_jam> i'm rather reluctant to do that, given the large number of packages it wants to remove [20:04] most of kde/kubuntu-desktop I bet , ...what's the first conflict dependency package [20:04] ? [20:06] <_jam> umm, hrm. ok sorry. apparently the update last night resolved this as it no longer wants to remove packages [20:06] <_jam> didn't notice that there was another update [20:06] * BluesKaj nods [20:09] <:q === Breadflour is now known as Dreadtower [20:33] hi [20:33] I just switched over to Kubuntu, but i'm missing the utility that installs propietary drivers.. I have the one from Ubuntu, but it's not having root permissions. I executed apt-get autoremove after deinstalling all Ubuntu packages, so I think that might've messed up some things.. [20:36] hi [20:42] the authentication part of KDE is broken.. what package should I install? kdesu? === steve___ is now known as Guest95420 [21:10] hi all [21:12] today muon reports that there is about 202 packages to install / update of about 1gb. is this correct or did my updater break somewhere [21:22] hi anybody able to please assist me? [21:24] george, how long since you updated/upgraded ? [21:25] hi BluesKaj I updated yesterday [21:26] there are four updates that look like kernel update and a libc-dev. but both synaptic and muon want to install 202 other packages that looks like stuff I would't / didn't use ever e.g. a lot texlive stuff and eastern fonts etc [21:27] george, try sudo apt-get update , see what it lists [21:28] I guess tou should check repos you have enabled as well [21:28] you [21:28] sudo apt-get update gives this error: > [21:29] oops, a gpg error [21:29] GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2836CB0A8AC93F7A [21:31] george, that's a ppa you've added for an application , open /etc/apt/sources.list.d and remove it [21:34] Hello! Is it possible to run the Kubuntu desktop from a remote machine? I don't want to takeover the console, but want to run on a separate X11 display over ssh. I have X11 fowarding working. [21:35] jonte_: look at tightvnc [21:37] Is it more efficient than X11 over ssh? [21:41] jonte_: much, its designed for over the network [21:41] xforwarding isnt so much [21:47] jonte_: I believe X was designed to be run over the network [21:48] so X + ssh is probably the best you can get [21:49] shadeslayer: dosnt run very fast ^^ [21:50] James147: well, if you use -c and -Y ... maybe then? [21:50] shadeslayer: espically over a slower connection, where as vnc tends to work faster [21:50] I had a quick look at tightvnc webpage. They (only?) talk about taking over the console, that is not what I want. Like I can ssh into a box and not disturb other users I would like to do the same with GUI. [21:50] I've tried vnc over the internet, it was utter crap [21:51] What is the keyboard shrotcut of for the application launcher please (can't find where this is configured [21:51] I haven't yet found a vnc or rrdp client on Linux that could compete in responsivenes and speed with Win - Win remote desktop. [21:53] supposedly bitmaps aren't very fast on X. On the other hand networks are reasonably fast compared to local networks 20 years ago... [21:54] jonte_: you need it for local network or over the internet? [21:55] over the Internet, the slowest pipe is ~4Mbit/s. [21:57] It just seems wrong to first "translate" X to VNC and then tunnel that through ssh. On the other hand that is a bit of the *nix way of doing things. The right tool for the right job. [22:06] jonte_: X is ok on local networks, you'll hardly notice (we had 100 ethernet "20 years ago" :P ) but for the internet where you need speed and security... have a look at freenx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX don't know if it's still developped though... [22:07] any security expert here? [22:13] gomiboy: FreeNX sounds ok, it seems to take care of the security bit. But will it let me have a new session? I.e. wife can sit at home on facebook and I get my own login? [22:15] jonte_: yes, it was developped with thinclients in mind, you could have 20sh concurrent users on a modern desktop pc :) === EyesIsServer is now known as EyesIsAsleep [22:22] Does anyone know which i8s the best version control system to use with KDevelop for a console C++ application: I have a choice of subversion or CVS? [22:22] Dreadtower: I would recomend using git :) [22:23] * gomiboy is not a developper but cvs is ooold :) === dionitas is now known as dionitas__ === dionitas__ is now known as mD0Wn [22:46] can somebody tell me where /lib64 should point on 64bit 11.10 installs is it /lib? [22:49] RiotingPacifist_: not a link here, inside i have a single link: ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 -> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.13.so [22:50] Hi === darksmoke is now known as DarkSmoke [22:51] thanks gomiboy [22:51] yw :) [22:51] can someone tell me how to boot kubuntu in verbose mode? [22:52] i mean i used to do it but i find the boot file diferent from last time i used linux [22:53] ? [22:54] DarkSmoke: edit /etc/default/grub and change GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" then sudo update-grub [22:54] Is there a verbose flag? [22:54] Like putting -v or verbose in that line or it's not used? [22:55] Hello, I had kubuntu installed, then installed Mandriva, which didn't make a boot menu option for Kubuntu, so I tried adding it manually, but when it loads, keyboard and mouse don't work, any fix for this? [22:58] Some setting is wrong or missing in the boot manager setup, any ideas? [23:02] maxhr: pastebin your grub config from mandriva [23:05] gomiboy: ok, just a moment [23:15] gomiboy: I don't think there is a grub config, as mandriva uses grub legacy instead of grub2, or maybe I don't know where to find it... [23:18] maxhr: usual places are /boot/grub or /etc/grub or try in console: locate grub [23:21] gomiboy: also in /etc/default/grub [23:22] what is up with all the grub questions? has a kernel update effected grub? [23:24] no, he installed mandriva, which is racist and didn't put an entry for his other kubuntu installation [23:24] racist? [23:25] mandriva is a racist distro, who would of thought [23:25] gomiboy: I am in /boot/grub , don't see a config file, what should it be caused [23:25] called [23:26] maxhr: the config file should be /etc/default/grub, see it? [23:31] almoxarife: that folder is empty [23:31] maxhr: sorry, i have to go, try in console: locate grub.conf or locate grub.cfg [23:33] maxhr: i asssumed you had a ubuntu/kubuntu distro with grub2 [23:35] almoxarife: yes [23:35] maxhr: yes? [23:36] I had kubuntu with grub2 [23:36] maxhr: had or have? [23:36] then installed mandriva, which has grub [23:36] so kubuntu is still there on the first partition [23:36] maxhr: no idea where grub is in mandriva [23:36] but mandriva's bootloader is what I see when it boots up [23:38] so I can still get kubuntu to boot up, but the mouse and keyboard don't work [23:43] almoxarife: is there a way to get kubuntu to take back over the booting? [23:43] maxhr: which is first on the drive? [23:43] kubuntu [23:45] maxhr: i would think yes then, but you would need to re-run update-grub from kubuntu and i assume kubuntu has grub2 and not the legacy, i have assume alot here, be careful [23:46] maxhr: just reinstall grub in kubuntu "sudo grub-install --recheck --no-floppy /dev/sdX && update-grub" [23:46] Yeah, grub2... and I think I can get kubuntu to boot properly [23:47] James147: some people might just put an 'x', might explain that [23:47] where X the letter of the drive you want to install it to, normall a [23:48] ahh, ok, thx [23:49] that makes more sense [23:49] I will try rebooting and check back [23:59] hi is there any minimalistic kubuntu livecd?