[00:02] <merlin1991> hm muon keeps segfaulting on start
[00:02] <merlin1991> wtf?
[00:02] <merlin1991> more exactly, muon-installer does that
[00:38] <Kezryk> Can someone tell me why i can not login after i install Kubuntu. i enter info exactly but it stays on login
[00:40] <Kezryk> Anyone even here
[00:41] <BarkingFish> Kezryk: Yes, we're here
[00:41] <Kezryk> Is support here
[00:41] <BarkingFish> Not always watching the channel though, some of us are in a lot of different places :)
[00:41] <BarkingFish> Yes, this is the support channel.
[00:42] <BarkingFish> So you're trying to login, right?  Which display manager are you using? KDM?
[00:42] <Kezryk> I am trying to install Kubuntu, i have always been mswindows user, but want to try linux and i cant login after i install it
[00:43] <BarkingFish> So you have installed it, but now you can't logon, is that correct?
[00:43] <Kezryk> what ever th default is
[00:43] <Kezryk> yes
[00:44] <BarkingFish> Ok. I will tell you firstly, how to restart the display manager.
[00:44] <BarkingFish> wait until I have explained this, before you do it.
[00:45] <Kezryk> ok actually just reinstalling it
[00:45] <Kezryk> for the umteenth time
[00:45] <BarkingFish> keep this information though, just in case
[00:45] <BarkingFish> You need to press CTRL, ALT and F1 together, and try to login on a terminal.
[00:45] <popitnow> Maybe you should also try to log in with a text terminal
[00:45] <popitnow> ha
[00:45] <popitnow> :)
[00:45] <BarkingFish> if you can login there, type in   sudo service kdm restart  and hit enter
[00:46] <Kezryk> terminal server from windows will work??
[00:46] <BarkingFish> no, you need to do this from linux
[00:46] <Kezryk> I am totally green on linux
[00:47] <BarkingFish> once it's installed, you can do this even if you cannot login to kubuntu's desktop
[00:47] <BarkingFish> Kezryk: I guessed, since you said you were an mswindows user, which is why I'm teaching you :)
[00:47] <Kezryk> lol
[00:48] <BarkingFish> I'm ex-windows user too, left at Windows XP and came onto linux, never went back.
[00:49] <Kezryk> I like the looks of Kubuntu so far as i have seen it. but dont know how to do a darn thing
[00:49] <BarkingFish> So if once you've installed kubuntu, you follow the instructions I just gave you, see if you can login on a terminal. If not, you need to come back to us :)
[00:50] <BarkingFish> But stay here for now, in case you have any other questions. We don't bite. (much) :)
[00:50] <Kezryk> ok, thx
[00:51] <BarkingFish> if you can't login, incidentally, you need to come back to the GUI (the graphic bit)  - press CTRL, ALT and F7 or F8 to do that.
[00:51] <BarkingFish> That's why I tell people to wait until I've explained it all to them, because if they just jump in and go straight to the terminal, a lot of them don't know how to get back :D
[00:53] <Kezryk> Makes sense
[00:53] <Kezryk> someone told me earlier to do the CTRL,ALT,F1. but nothing happened and i left too soon i guess
[00:59] <ScottyK> does Kubuntu require an extra package to play movie DVD's? Dragon Player, VLC and bangrang will not play a DVD. Thanks
[01:00] <James147> ScottyK: install kubuntu-restriced-extras
[01:01] <ScottyK> James - Thanks..
[01:04] <ScottyK> Does the system require a reboot to get this to work?
[01:19] <Kezryk> Ok BarkingFish, i know now why i couldnt login.
[01:24] <Kezryk> is there something like automatic update for kubuntu??
[01:25] <popitnow> yes but you have to configurate an internet acces first....it's called package manager
[01:25] <popitnow> the default one is "muon package manager"
[01:25] <geri> hi how can i see the boot menue in kubuntu?
[01:25] <geri> shift?
[01:26] <popitnow> do you mean GRUB ?
[01:26] <geri> yeah before booting the kernel
[01:26] <geri> i want to choose the kernel
[01:27] <James147> geri: shift should show the menu in grub2
[01:27] <geri> i have grub1
[01:27] <geri> i think :D
[01:27] <geri> shift didnt work
[01:27] <James147> geri: what version of kubuntu are toy on (kubuntu hasent use grub1 in along time)
[01:27] <geri> i have ubuntu :D
[01:27] <geri> 10.10
[01:28] <geri> shoudl iset this? http://openpaste.org/27300254
[01:29] <James147> then you should have grub2 ^^ you can force grub to always show the menu by editing /etc/default/grub and running "sudo update-grub" (or was it "grub-update"...)
[01:29] <geri> my grub.cfg: http://openpaste.org/76Bc943e
[01:31] <geri> James147, what should i change there?
[01:31] <geri> hidden timeout is 0
[01:32] <James147> geri: you should edit /etc/default/grub
[01:32] <geri> i opend it
[01:32] <geri> enable grub_gfx_mode?
[01:33] <James147> geri: comment out "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=5" and "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true" then run update-grub
[01:33] <geri> update?
[01:34] <geri> otherwize its not effective?
[01:36] <geri> hidden_timeout is 0 here
[02:49] <Kezryk> What is the terminal command to initiate an update?
[02:58] <DarthFrog> Kezryk: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" all on one line.
[03:33] <hellslinger> how do I tell upowerd to log verbosely?
[04:21] <Kezryk> any reason i cant type in terminal but i can everywhere else
[04:21] <Kezryk> Err better yet i cant type the password in terminal mode
[04:23] <Kezryk> nvm
[04:27] <geri> James147, why is a run update-grub necessary?
[04:45] <Gerald> how can i see the boot menue in ubuntu? i already comment out "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=5" and "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true" .... is that all?
[04:48] <reukku> is it safe to install kernel 3.2.1?
[04:50] <reukku> or 3.1.10?
[05:30] <muh2000> hi
[05:30] <muh2000> i installed kubuntu-ppa for kde4.7.4
[05:31] <muh2000> upgraded.....
[05:31] <muh2000> but the apps are still at 4.7.3 ?!?!? wtf?!?
[05:41] <Gerald> how can i see the boot menue in ubuntu? i already comment out "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=5" and "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true" .... is that all?
[06:04] <muh2000> i installed kubuntu-ppa for kde4.7.4   but kmail2 is still 4.7.3 ?!?
[06:05] <dasKreech> KDE 4.8!
[06:06] <muh2000> ?!?
[06:07] <muh2000> dasKreech: what are you trying to tell me?
[06:11] <dasKreech> Try the KDE 4.8 PPA?
[06:12] <muh2000> dasKreech: isnt it even more beta?
[06:12] <dasKreech> Kinda RC but ....
[06:12] <muh2000> hm
[06:13] <dasKreech> It's coming out in 5 days
[06:13] <muh2000> and where is the 4.8ppa?
[06:13] <dasKreech> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.7.97
[06:13] <muh2000> thnx
[06:15] <muh2000> hm
[06:15] <muh2000> add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta && apt-get dist-upgrade   and it says nothing to upgrade?
[06:17] <muh2000> wait i fogot "apt-get update"
[06:17] <muh2000> now it is updating.
[06:18] <muh2000> by doing this all the future updates will be rc/beta unless i remove that ppa again?
[06:19] <Tm_T> muh2000: if rc/betas are newer than stable release, yes
[06:20] <muh2000> Tm_T: and when there is a stable release it will upgrade to the stable release?
[06:20] <Tm_T> yes
[06:20] <muh2000> :)
[06:20] <Tm_T> apt-get uses the newest available if possible, repositories just enables them as sources
[06:20] <muh2000> thnx
[08:11] <JabberwockyA19> I'm stuggling to 'add more sensors to my plasmoid temperature monitor widget'
[08:12] <JabberwockyA19> lm-sensors shows cpu (per core) and gpu, where the widget only shows my gpu
[10:46] <GarGarOzz> chanserv irc.freenode.net
[10:51] <martell> hi
[10:51] <martell> where do i find file associations in oneiric ocelot ?
[11:59] <freedvd> hello, which dvd player is best suited to read interactive DVD's on kubuntu?
[12:11] <freedvd> i added the package sudo add-apt-repository ppa:team-xbmc but now sudo apt-get update fails
[12:11] <freedvd> how can i rmeove it?
[12:19] <jussi> !info ppa-purge
[12:19] <jussi> freedvd: ^^
[12:20] <freedvd> thanks
[12:51] <datruth_> I am having an issue resuming my computer from sleep mode in 11.10 on as asus g74s anyone have this issue?
[13:01] <seshagiri_> Hey could some one help me out of the problem while installing man-db. I have pasted the error report here -> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/537758/
[13:03] <datruth_> I am having an issue resuming my computer from sleep mode in 11.10 on as asus g74s anyone have this issue?
[13:05] <seshagiri_> Well thanks i fixed it myself!
[13:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:42] <gnathan> hi, I'm trying to upgrade to oneiric but having some problems, wonder if anybody could help
[14:42] <gnathan> the upgrade process seems to be obscured by ubuntu
[14:42] <gnathan> I'm not sure why, maybe at some point when I installed gnome or something
[14:52] <BluesKaj> gnathan,  describe "obscured" , not sure what you mean
[14:53] <Gerald> when is it necessary to call blacklist before i do modprobe?
[14:57] <ShishKabab> I'm trying to install Kubuntu 11.10 on my laptop. The live CD does detect my wireless network card (it shows up in iwconfig as wlan0), but somehow I can't scan for or connect to networks in the Network Manager. Also, 'iwlist wlan0 scan' returns an error. Is there anything I can do about it before installing or should I install on a wire and solve the problem later (maybe by downloading some extra drivers)?
[14:57] <BluesKaj> Gerald,  blacklist if needed just before you modprobe the module you want to use , then reboot if necessary
[14:59] <BluesKaj> ShishKabab,  sudo ifconfig wlan0 up , then, sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid , then try to connect .
[15:01] <gnathan> BluesKaj: thanks, erm, I'm not exactly sure either, but when I try the various things that should supposedly lead to a KDE upgrade option, I either get nothing or an option to upgrade Ubuntu
[15:01] <gnathan> and when I do cat /etc/issue I get "Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS"
[15:02] <gnathan> when in fact, the only OS I have "officially" installed is kub
[15:04] <gnathan> for example, if I try "sudo update-manager -d" the upgrade option that is presented to me is "new Ubuntu release '12.04' is available"
[15:04] <ShishKabab> BluesKaj: sudo ifconfig wlan0 up says 'SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory'
[15:04] <gnathan> and if I do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" it just says, nothing to install
[15:04] <BluesKaj> gnathan,  did you remove ubuntu-desktop previous to the upgrade then , update and ugrade with apt , then run sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:04] <gnathan> (even with update)
[15:05] <gnathan> no, I didn't know to do that
[15:05] <gnathan> I can try it
[15:05] <gnathan> ok I tried with apt and got "Package ubuntu-desktop is not installed, so not removed"
[15:06] <BluesKaj> the upgrade OS command is sudo do-release-upgrade , the dist-upgrade just upgrades the desktop and packages with the present OS
[15:06] <BluesKaj> gnathan,  ^
[15:06] <gnathan> I just tried do-release-upgrade, again, it did nothing
[15:06] <gnathan> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[15:06] <gnathan> No new release found
[15:07] <BluesKaj> lsb_release -a
[15:08] <tayfun> does anyone know how to disable touchpad while typing ?
[15:08] <gnathan> LSB Version:    core-2.0-ia32:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-ia32:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-ia32:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-ia32:core-3.2-noarch:core-4.0-ia32:core-4.0-noarch
[15:08] <Peace-> tayfun: http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/ubuntu-automatically-disable-touchpad.html
[15:08] <gnathan> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[15:08] <gnathan> Description:    Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS
[15:08] <gnathan> Release:        10.04
[15:08] <gnathan> Codename:       lucid
[15:08] <FloodBotK3> gnathan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:09] <BluesKaj> ShishKabab,  wlan0=dhcp , then , sudo dhclient wlan0
[15:09] <BluesKaj> !LTS | gnathan
[15:10] <gnathan> Blues: yes, but I don't remember ever installing ubuntu specifically
[15:10] <tayfun> Peace: thank you a lot !
[15:10] <gnathan> I have no idea why it's saying that. I run KDE, and as far as I know kubuntu.
[15:11] <Peace-> tayfun: well thank google   i jut googled your question
[15:11] <RocknRolla> lucid support everything
[15:11] <gnathan> it's just that I'd rather not do a fresh install if there's something simple I can do to get the automatic upgrade option back
[15:12] <tayfun> Peace : i actually google and tried them but could not worked yet
[15:12] <BluesKaj> gnathan,  gnathan you can't upgrade to oneiric directly , you need to do a clean install , jumping OS releases can be done but you have to go to 10.10 , then 11.04 . then 11.10...better to just back up your data and download the iso
[15:13] <Peace-> tayfun: webup8 is a good webiste it should work
[15:13] <Peace-> tayfun: good luck
[15:13] <gnathan> Blues: ok, I'll do that. I have no idea what happened here, but thanks for the help :)
[15:14] <ShishKabab> BluesKaj: I see 'RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory' and the process keeps running. I still get the same errors for ifconfig and iwlist.
[15:14] <BluesKaj> ShishKabab,  what does iwconfig tell you
[15:15] <BluesKaj> ShishKabab,  also what wifi chip , you may need to load the module/driver
[15:16] <ts2> gnathan: fyi, Kubuntu is Ubuntu, what most people call "Ubuntu" is really Ubuntu with Gnome/Unity. same project, different UIs. If you want to upgrade to Oneiric you must upgrade to Maverick, then Natty, then Oneiric. Or you can wait a couple of months for the next LTS release (Precise) and you'll be offered an upgrade then
[15:18] <ShishKabab> BluesKaj: It's a BCM43xx chip. I tried modbrobe bcm<tab>, and that shows bcm203x, bcm3510, bcm5974, bcma and bcm_wimax.
[15:20] <ShishKabab> BluesKaj: And iwlist tells me a lot, what are you interested in? Is ESSID:off/any and Mode:Managed interesting?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> ShishKabab,  pastebin the iwconfig pls
[15:26] <ShishKabab> BluesKaj: I don't have internet on the laptop, so I can't paste it :(. I think I better plug it into a wired connection. From https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx it looks like I'll need internet anyway.
[15:30] <ShishKabab> BluesKaj: I have to go to another room now, but thanks for your help!
[15:34] <gnathan> ts2: thanks, yes, I was aware of that: but I still thought that the automatic kubuntu upgrade would be branded as "kubuntu", rather than offering anupgrade to "ubuntu"?
[15:34] <gnathan> because, for instance, I dont' really want unity
[15:35] <ts2> it won't give you unity, it _upgrades_ what you have
[15:36] <gnathan> oh ok, so even though it says "ubuntu", it'll still leave me with kde?
[15:36] <ts2> I understand it's not that obvious, but Ubuntu is the OS name, Kubuntu is the "flavour"
[15:36] <ts2> kind of like how Windows does Home, Professional, whatever. Same OS, but different defaults etc
[15:37] <ts2> (except that Ubuntu flavours aren't chopped up and sold for outrageous prices)
[15:39] <gnathan> ah, thanks I think your prompt about upgrading first to maverick just led me to discover the problem
[15:40] <gnathan> I didn't understand that the LTS version would only upgrade to the next LTS release
[15:40] <ts2> you can change it, it's just by default
[15:40] <gnathan> yeah, doing that that now
[15:41] <ts2> most LTS installs want to stick to LTS
[15:42] <BluesKaj> gnathan,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades , this also applies to kubuntu
[15:42] <gnathan> ah, great, I now have the upgrade option in kpackagekit
[15:43] <gnathan> thanks both for the help :D
[15:45] <BluesKaj> yeahh , I forgot what the command is to change from a LTS to the next regular release
[15:46] <gnathan> maybe there's a command, I edited /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades as suggested here http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-upgrade-kubuntu-10.04-lucid-lynx-to-10.10-maverick-meerkat
[15:47] <James147> gnathan: that sounds about right, though kpackagekit (and presumably moun) could also edit that setting
[15:49]  * ts2 coughs and points James147 and gnathan to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu
[15:50] <James147> ts2: yup, thats the gui way, the cli way is to edit the above mention file
[15:51]  * BluesKaj always upgrades to the next releas , be it LTS or just a regular release
[15:52] <BluesKaj> running 12.04 alpha here
[17:02] <Gerald> BluesKaj, what happens if i dont do modprobe before?
[17:02] <Gerald> i mean blacklist...
[17:15] <fkm> Hi there. I don't know, if this is the right place to ask. If not, please point me to the right channel. I have made an xorg update yesterday and since then I cannot start the desktop effects because they became to slow. Here's the update log: http://pastebin.com/9V6CTqmB
[17:16] <Tm_T> fkm: ubuntu version?
[17:17] <Tm_T> fkm: 11.10 Oneiric?
[17:17] <fkm> Ubuntu 11.10
[17:17] <fkm> Linux medusa 3.0.0-15-generic #25-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 2 17:45:26 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[17:17] <mydogsnameisrudy> can kwallet be deleted with out killing my wifi?
[17:19] <martell> yes, though you might have to retype your password
[17:19] <mydogsnameisrudy> it makes me type password every time i login is that normal?
[17:19] <James147> mydogsnameisrudy: you can also configure networkmanager to store passwords in a plain text file
[17:20] <BluesKaj> Gerald,  blackilst first then modprobe
[17:20] <James147> mydogsnameisrudy: it is if you have somehting that requires a password after login (such as wifi)
[17:21] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok im going to google some then thx
[17:22] <James147> mydogsnameisrudy: if you dont want to type it in then you basically have two option, tell networkmanager to store passwords in plane text (bypassing kwallet) or create a passwordless wallet (this basically stores all passwords unencrypted and isnt recomended)
[17:22] <kurumin> ...........
[17:23] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok coming from gnome to kde im a bit confused
[17:23] <kurumin> ??
[17:23] <mydogsnameisrudy> why it needs this
[17:23]  * James147 also notes that kdes password sotage system is going to change in the next release or 2 of kde ^^  so things might change then)
[17:23] <kurumin> alguem?
[17:23] <mydogsnameisrudy> 12.04?
[17:24] <James147> mydogsnameisrudy: its because kwallet encrpyts passwords with a master password, and thus requires it to access the passwords again... it also dose not store this password anywhere (doing so voids having it in the first palce)
[17:24]  * BluesKaj disables the kwalletmanager , it's mostly a pita for home users
[17:24] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok hmmm might let it go for now then see how it goes
[17:25] <James147> mydogsnameisrudy: However, what gnome dose that kde dose not (yet! hopefully) iss use the login password to attempt to unlock the wallet ... which is why it always asks you
[17:27] <Peace-> James147: do you know something about vlc and system wide settings  for it?
[17:27] <Peace-> James147: this sicker doesn't want read my config file form /etc/vlc/vlcrc
[17:27] <James147> Peace-: tend not to use vlc... though dose it store system wide settings like other apps?
[17:28] <Peace-> James147: nah is not kde app so...
[17:28] <James147> (or am I just to use to kde apps doing this) LD
[17:29] <James147> Peace-: there is always the hack of placing its config in /etc/skele, will basically set it up for new users :)
[17:32] <Peace-> James147: mmm but it didnt worked for me
[17:32] <Peace-> even in skel
[17:33] <James147> Peace-: skel only gets copied when creating a new user...
[17:33] <James147> so wouldnt affect existing users unfortinutly
[17:35] <Peace-> James147: dah
[17:35] <Peace-> James147: nice to know
[17:35] <Peace-> James147: well to re-read ... i forget it
[17:35] <Peace-> James147: :D ty
[17:35] <James147> Peace-: or the other way, place a symlink in /etc/skel to the config :)
[17:35] <James147> (as well as all users)
[17:36] <Peace-> James147: arch user right ?
[17:36] <James147> yeah
[17:37] <Peace-> James147: i hated it intel bug :D
[17:37] <James147> intel bug?
[17:37] <Peace-> i dunno there was a bug and i got a well black screen xd
[17:37] <Peace-> i edited the kernel and it started
[17:38] <James147> not seen that ever :S
[17:38] <Peace-> James147: i guess it's for some card only
[17:38] <hynzo> hi everybody
[17:38] <hynzo> I'm new here
[17:38] <James147> Welcome hynzo
[17:38] <Peace-> hi
[17:39] <hynzo> :)
[17:39] <hynzo> how are you ?
[17:39] <James147> hynzo: you might want to join #kubuntu-offtopic for general chat, this channel is dedicated to kubuntu support issues
[17:40] <hynzo> so is this a developpers community
[17:40] <James147> hynzo: no, this is a users community, #kubuntu-devel for developers talk :)
[17:41] <hynzo> I want to join kubuntu develeppers team, I'm a Qt learner
[17:42] <James147> hynzo: then you will want to join #kubutu-devel channel :)  also see http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute
[17:42] <BluesKaj> hynzo,  then type /join #kubuntu-devel or click on the link James147 provided
[17:43] <hynzo> ok tank you
[17:43] <James147> hynzo: or if you want to develop for kde specifically (which will indrectly help kubuntu) join #kde and #kde-devel
[17:45] <hynzo> I didn't find any one there :)
[17:47] <James147> hynzo: people are more likly to respond to a qustion then general chat
[17:50] <James147> hynzo: also, be patience, people idlely watch these channels and can take a while to respond :)
[17:51] <BluesKaj> hynzo,  I saw you join #kde , but you didn't ask a question
[18:07] <kurumin> eae
[18:07] <kurumin> alguem aew fala portugues????????
[18:09] <Unit193> !pt | kurumin
[18:09] <kurumin> lol
[18:38] <Gerald> BluesKaj, blacklist command not found
[18:58] <smjms> is anyone else's GTK programs being rendered with a black background? :(
[18:59] <smjms> oh, right I should be in #kubuntu+1
[18:59] <Unit193> smjms: Last I knew there was only #ubuntu+1
[19:00] <BluesKaj> !blacklist | Gerald
[19:00] <Gerald> it will not load the module if i start linux?
[19:01] <Gerald> i overloading the module using dkms...
[19:04] <BluesKaj> Gerald,  the proper file is , /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf , use root permissions if intend to add a module , add the module to the file then reboot , you can also modprobe the correct module before reboot ing
[19:05]  * James147 thourgh blacklist.conf was depracated and you should just use modprob.conf ^^
[19:05] <BluesKaj> James147,  it still works in 12.04
[19:12]  * BluesKaj doesn't see an modprobe.conf file , doesn't exist
[19:12] <James147> BluesKaj: :) think i was getting my distos confused again...
[19:13] <BluesKaj> James147,  ok
[19:13] <James147> BluesKaj: but your riht, blacklist.conf on kubuntu seems to be the way
[19:15] <BluesKaj> the /etc/modprobe.d file has the dkms.conf , alsa-base.conf and several others
[19:40] <Engonyr> How do I switch to Kubuntu and remove almost all the default GNOME applications?
[19:40] <Unit193> !purekde | robbit10
[19:41] <robbit10> Unit193: Thanks :)
[19:41] <Unit193> 'welcome
[19:57] <_jam> the latest security update to 11.10 is giving me a dependency conflict, and when I try to run with --full-resolver, it basically wants to remove everything
[19:57] <_jam> anyone else experiencing this?
[20:01] <BluesKaj> _jam,  to remove dependency conflicts , sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends nameofpackage(s) , you may have to run this command several times to remove the depends , they''ll be listed in the terminal , or you can find them in the /var/log file as well
[20:02] <_jam> this removes the packages, does it not?
[20:03] <_jam> i'm rather reluctant to do that, given the large number of packages it wants to remove
[20:04] <BluesKaj> most of kde/kubuntu-desktop I bet , ...what's the first conflict dependency package
[20:04] <BluesKaj> ?
[20:06] <_jam> umm, hrm. ok sorry. apparently the update last night resolved this as it no longer wants to remove packages
[20:06] <_jam> didn't notice that there was another update
[20:06]  * BluesKaj nods
[20:09] <thomas__> <:q
[20:33] <sergej_supo> hi
[20:33] <robbit10> I just switched over to Kubuntu, but i'm missing the utility that installs propietary drivers.. I have the one from Ubuntu, but it's not having root permissions. I executed apt-get autoremove after deinstalling all Ubuntu packages, so I think that might've messed up some things..
[20:36] <joeuser2ooo> hi
[20:42] <robbit10> the authentication part of KDE is broken.. what package should I install? kdesu?
[21:10] <george> hi all
[21:12] <george> today muon reports that there is about 202 packages to install / update of about 1gb. is this correct or did my updater break somewhere
[21:22] <george> hi anybody able to please assist me?
[21:24] <BluesKaj> george,  how long since you updated/upgraded ?
[21:25] <george> hi BluesKaj I updated yesterday
[21:26] <george> there are four updates that look like kernel update and a libc-dev. but both synaptic and muon want to install 202 other packages that looks like stuff I would't / didn't use ever e.g. a lot texlive stuff and eastern fonts etc
[21:27] <BluesKaj> george,  try sudo apt-get update , see what it lists
[21:28] <BluesKaj> I guess tou should check repos you have enabled as well
[21:28] <BluesKaj> you
[21:28] <george> sudo apt-get update gives this error: >
[21:29] <george> oops, a gpg error
[21:29] <george> GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2836CB0A8AC93F7A
[21:31] <BluesKaj> george,  that's a ppa you've added for an application , open /etc/apt/sources.list.d and remove it
[21:34] <jonte_> Hello! Is it possible to run the Kubuntu desktop from a remote machine? I don't want  to takeover the console, but want to run on a separate X11 display over ssh. I have X11 fowarding working.
[21:35] <James147> jonte_: look at tightvnc
[21:37] <jonte_> Is it more efficient than X11 over ssh?
[21:41] <James147> jonte_: much, its designed for over the network
[21:41] <James147> xforwarding isnt so much
[21:47] <shadeslayer> jonte_: I believe X was designed to be run over the network
[21:48] <shadeslayer> so X + ssh is probably the best you can get
[21:49] <James147> shadeslayer: dosnt run very fast ^^
[21:50] <shadeslayer> James147: well, if you use -c and -Y ... maybe then?
[21:50] <James147> shadeslayer: espically over a slower connection, where as vnc tends to work faster
[21:50] <jonte_> I had a quick look at tightvnc webpage. They (only?) talk about taking over the console, that is not what I want. Like I can ssh into a box and not disturb other users I would like to do the same  with GUI.
[21:50] <shadeslayer> I've tried vnc over the internet, it was utter crap
[21:51] <Dreadtower> What is the keyboard shrotcut of for the application launcher please (can't find where this is configured
[21:51] <jonte_> I haven't yet found a vnc or rrdp client on Linux that could compete in responsivenes and speed with Win - Win remote desktop.
[21:53] <jonte_> supposedly bitmaps aren't very fast on X. On the other hand networks are reasonably fast compared to local networks 20 years ago...
[21:54] <gomiboy> jonte_: you need it for local network or over the internet?
[21:55] <jonte_> over the Internet, the slowest pipe is ~4Mbit/s.
[21:57] <jonte_> It just seems wrong to first "translate" X to VNC and then tunnel that through ssh. On the other hand that is a bit of the *nix way of doing things. The right tool for the right job.
[22:06] <gomiboy> jonte_: X is ok on local networks, you'll hardly notice (we had 100 ethernet "20 years ago" :P ) but for the internet where you need speed and security... have a look at freenx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX don't know if it's still developped though...
[22:07] <phoenix_firebrd> any security expert here?
[22:13] <jonte_> gomiboy: FreeNX sounds ok, it seems to take care of the security bit. But will it let me have a new session? I.e. wife can sit at home on facebook and I get my own login?
[22:15] <gomiboy> jonte_: yes, it was developped with thinclients in mind, you could have 20sh concurrent users on a modern desktop pc :)
[22:22] <Dreadtower> Does anyone know which i8s the best version control system to use with KDevelop for a console C++ application: I have a choice of subversion or CVS?
[22:22] <James147> Dreadtower: I would recomend using git :)
[22:23]  * gomiboy is not a developper but cvs is ooold :)
[22:46] <RiotingPacifist_> can somebody tell me where /lib64 should point on 64bit 11.10 installs is it /lib?
[22:49] <gomiboy> RiotingPacifist_: not a link here, inside i have a single link: ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 -> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.13.so
[22:50] <darksmoke> Hi
[22:51] <RiotingPacifist_> thanks gomiboy
[22:51] <gomiboy> yw :)
[22:51] <DarkSmoke> can someone tell me how to boot kubuntu in verbose mode?
[22:52] <DarkSmoke> i mean i used to do it but i find the boot file diferent from last time i used linux
[22:53] <DarkSmoke> ?
[22:54] <gomiboy> DarkSmoke: edit /etc/default/grub and change GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""  then sudo update-grub
[22:54] <DarkSmoke> Is there a verbose flag?
[22:54] <DarkSmoke> Like putting -v or verbose in that line or it's not used?
[22:55] <maxhr> Hello, I had kubuntu installed, then installed Mandriva, which didn't make a boot menu option for Kubuntu, so I tried adding it manually, but when it loads, keyboard and mouse don't work, any fix for this?
[22:58] <maxhr> Some setting is wrong or missing in the boot manager setup, any ideas?
[23:02] <gomiboy> maxhr: pastebin your grub config from mandriva
[23:05] <maxhr> gomiboy: ok, just a moment
[23:15] <maxhr> gomiboy: I don't think there is a grub config, as mandriva uses grub legacy instead of grub2, or maybe I don't know where to find it...
[23:18] <gomiboy> maxhr: usual places are /boot/grub or /etc/grub or try in console: locate grub
[23:21] <almoxarife> gomiboy: also in /etc/default/grub
[23:22] <almoxarife> what is up with all the grub questions? has a kernel update effected grub?
[23:24] <gomiboy> no, he installed mandriva, which is racist and didn't put an entry for his other kubuntu installation
[23:24] <almoxarife> racist?
[23:25] <almoxarife> mandriva is a racist distro, who would of thought
[23:25] <maxhr> gomiboy: I am in /boot/grub , don't see a config file, what should it be caused
[23:25] <maxhr> called
[23:26] <almoxarife> maxhr: the config file should be /etc/default/grub, see it?
[23:31] <maxhr> almoxarife: that folder is empty
[23:31] <gomiboy> maxhr: sorry, i have to go, try in console: locate grub.conf or locate grub.cfg
[23:33] <almoxarife> maxhr: i asssumed you had a ubuntu/kubuntu distro with grub2
[23:35] <maxhr> almoxarife: yes
[23:35] <almoxarife> maxhr: yes?
[23:36] <maxhr> I had kubuntu with grub2
[23:36] <almoxarife> maxhr: had or have?
[23:36] <maxhr> then installed mandriva, which has grub
[23:36] <maxhr> so kubuntu is still there on the first partition
[23:36] <almoxarife> maxhr: no idea where grub is in mandriva
[23:36] <maxhr> but mandriva's bootloader is what I see when it boots up
[23:38] <maxhr> so I can still get kubuntu to boot up, but the mouse and keyboard don't work
[23:43] <maxhr> almoxarife: is there a way to get kubuntu to take back over the booting?
[23:43] <almoxarife> maxhr: which is first on the drive?
[23:43] <maxhr> kubuntu
[23:45] <almoxarife> maxhr: i would think yes then, but you would need to re-run update-grub from kubuntu and i assume kubuntu has grub2  and not the legacy, i have assume alot here, be careful
[23:46] <James147> maxhr: just reinstall grub in kubuntu "sudo grub-install --recheck --no-floppy /dev/sdX && update-grub"
[23:46] <maxhr> Yeah, grub2... and I think I can get kubuntu to boot properly
[23:47] <almoxarife> James147: some people might just put an 'x', might explain that
[23:47] <James147> where X the letter of the drive you want to install it to, normall a
[23:48] <maxhr> ahh, ok, thx
[23:49] <maxhr> that makes more sense
[23:49] <maxhr> I will try rebooting and check back
[23:59] <Kurdistan> hi is there any minimalistic kubuntu livecd?