[05:57] good morning TGIF! [06:38] re [06:47] bonjour === Darkwing is now known as DarkwingSCALE [06:51] YoBoY : good morning. excuse my bad behaviour [06:52] what are you talking about ? :) [06:54] YoBoY : letting you wait for five minutes before you get a response [06:56] it's IRC, I never expect an answer to a "good morning" :) [06:57] and you seem to be on a windows machine, so you can't be fast :D [06:58] YoBoY : how you know? [06:58] ⟽ Silverlion est parti (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) [06:58] miranda-im is a windows only im client [07:00] well could be on wine, or not? [07:00] yes could be... but who the hell can use an multi protocol windows im client on a linux system who have so many good clients for that :D [07:05] YoBoY : i have a windows past [07:05] :D [07:08] I have a windows too on a virtual machine for only one program :] [07:24] YoBoY : :D sorry i am working from home office now [07:24] answers can take a while [07:30] :) [07:31] I'm kind of wondering what the Ubuntu Leadership Team is doing these days? :) [07:31] its been quiet for awhile [07:32] * philipballew wonders the same as bkerensa === s-lion is now known as Silverlion [07:35] I think akgraner passed the manual to someone in Canada who was going to have a look but thats the last I heard :D [07:35] she has been busy lately though =o [07:36] mornin' bkerensa [07:36] Good Morning Silverlion :D [07:37] we are all leading other teams, and time is not missing for this one [07:37] -not [07:37] indeed [07:37] :) [07:37] we all get very busy [07:38] YoBoY : yeah ... they have elected me for TL now as well :D [07:38] it's always the case for leaders ^^ [07:38] Silverlion: For your LoCo? [07:38] :D [07:38] bkerensa : nope for Lubuntu-Comms [07:38] oh :) [07:39] Our LoCo doesn't yet have elections [07:40] bkerensa : well elections is nicely formulated ^^ they asked me and i had no chance to reject :D [07:40] lol [07:40] thats how I get most of my contributions in the community [07:40] people ask me [07:41] and my kindness or willingness prevents me from declining :P [07:41] bkerensa: I used to be like that, then I started burning so I've stepped back into the core activites I enjoy so I don't burn out entirely :) [07:42] that is why i build my deputy-team around me ;) [07:43] head_victim: Yeah well luckily our LoCo has a Asst. Team Lead now [07:43] I think my LoCo work consumes the most time [07:43] bkerensa: we only have a small handful of people that are active in the loco tbh and it's spread out over vast distances. [07:43] Silverlion: working with gillir ? :D [07:43] everyone always has questions :P sometimes I just have to get away from IRC otherwise the burn comes [07:44] YoBoY : why you ask [07:44] ? [07:44] it's a friend :) [07:44] I sense a French connection ;) [07:44] sure ;) [07:44] head_victim: What loco are you with? [07:44] Australian [07:45] Ideally we'd like it split into states but realistically that would mean we'd have about one active member per state which isn't really maintainable. [07:45] When we organise events we get 10 - 20 along (depending on the event) but the actual organisation and general running is handled by a small group. [07:46] yeah [07:46] head_victim: in france it's also a small group organising everything [07:47] Oregon and Washington have been trying for years to merge into a regional LoCo and at one point we were a regional LoCo but then a new council came in and said no more regional [07:47] ;p [07:47] so as a result Washington doesnt have much of anything going on and they just come down to do events with us [07:47] bkerensa: ah that's a shame. People keep floating the idea of splitting our team up into states but they just don't understand, we have a small population and a large land mass. We have less people in our country than in a lot of US states. [07:48] We're only around 20 million for the whole country last I checked. [07:48] yeah I think its unfortunate that sometimes it seems the council or powers that be do not realize the logistics of geography and variances in population [07:49] Honestly, we have 2 maybe 3 of the 7 states that it might work for, the rest would disappear. So for me, keeping it as one for now is the only way. [07:49] our french point of view is : one loco to help every linux/ubuntu user group or other people organise events [07:49] Yeah :) [07:51] YoBoY: Have you had Ubuntu Cola? [07:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Cola [07:51] some city have created ubuntu local team with our benediction and we are all working together. It's sometimes easier for users to identify to a smaller local group than a bigger country loco [07:51] * bkerensa is trying to find someone who knows where to get it [07:51] bkerensa: yes :) [07:52] * bkerensa needs export [07:52] lol [07:52] YoBoY: yeah we have a couple of smaller groups that have 3 - 4 events a year together under the loco banner [07:52] some store sell it in Paris ^^" [07:52] :( [07:52] None in America [07:52] you can also buy it on internet I think [07:53] but they wont ship to U.S. [07:53] :( [07:53] Plus it would likely cost a fortune to ship [07:53] :] [07:54] It cost me so much to buy stuff from Canonical Store because they have heavy shipping from the UK and then U.S. Customs sits on items for a week [07:54] Yeah I've made about 3 or 4 orders from the Canonical store. They're pretty pricey but then again, I see it as half support, half buying a product. [07:57] head_victim: I think if Ubuntu Foundation existed that it could do a good bit of funding for the cost of Ubuntu's Development [07:57] bkerensa: you can already donate to the Ubuntu fund [07:57] It's just not obvious. [07:57] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved/donate [07:59] Yeah but this goes to Canonical which is a company not to the Community [08:00] Yeah but Canonical does heavily support the community. Our loco has had multiple conference packs both as approved and unapproved teams. [08:01] * philipballew has 2 in his hotel room right now [08:01] SUCK ON THAT! [08:01] philipballew: 2 what? [08:01] bkerensa: http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntuau/ has some pics of our last event. [08:01] Yeah but in the end Canonical owns Ubuntu and its Trademark [08:01] confrence packs [08:01] so they are giving you free conf kits to promote something they hope to make money on [08:01] :) [08:02] dont get me wrong I love Ubuntu and the Community [08:02] but its like Wordpress and Automattic [08:02] The community is the only reason I stuck with Ubuntu to be honest. I started on Fedora and got jack of it REAL quick. [08:02] people didnt like contributing to Wordpress because Automaticc held the trademark and owned the product even though it was open source [08:02] Now I now linux a little I much rather apt based distro's anyway so happy to stay where I am for now. [08:03] in the end Automattic made the right decision and formed a foundation (wordpress.org) and transferred all rights to the foundation [08:03] so there is no commercial interest controlling it [08:03] heh [08:03] Yeah Fedora is eh :) it is what it is [08:03] Ah ok, I don't know lots about politics, I try to avoid them outside of work as there's already too much of it there ;) [08:11] bkerensa: I think the problem with the foundation idea is that sabdfl put in a lot of startup. [08:11] And probably still does to this day if the reports of it still not being a commercial success are correct. [08:17] head_victim: Yes that is true but at the same time how many hundreds of people contribute to Ubuntu for free every year? :) [08:18] bkerensa: depends on what Mark is in it for, perhaps when he's made his capital back he might. No idea though, purely speculation ;) [08:18] yeah [08:18] I think we will see the path coming in 13.04 [08:19] I think Canonical is hoping/banking on Ubuntu being a success on TV's and Smartphones so they can get some enterprise support money there [08:19] I'm pretty much the target audience for Ubuntu. I've got not IT training or experience and I've got to say, I don't mind Unity. [08:19] I dont mind Unity but I do use Classic on 12.04 [09:37] wb philipballew [09:37] Silverlion, whats wb mean dude? [09:37] w(elcome)b(ack) [09:38] better late then never, right?4 [09:59] stupid question : abbreviations are not welcome on most of the french irc channels (mostly on the support channel), what's the rules of other teams about them ? [10:03] YoBoY, what abbreviations you mean? [10:03] like "wb" :) [10:05] heh, I can't live without such :) I think it's ok everywhere else [10:06] it is sometimes really hard to understand them [10:29] why dont we set up a dictionary for our community [10:29] so that those who cant live without can use them and others could translate? [10:36] well... each group develop their own abbreviations, for projects, for events, for fun. I think it's harder for a new comer to join a group if it's using too much abbreviations. In our french support case, with the "sms writing plague" it was decided to forbid them [11:19] YoBoY: depends on context really. Most of the time announcing away and back are superfluous anyway. [11:26] head_victim: the wb is just an example, abbreviations can be harder [11:26] YoBoY: I don't think it's a major drama in english speaking channels, it's possible it might get a bit different in other languages, I'm not really sure as I don't speak anything else. [11:27] :)