[05:57] <Silverlion> good morning TGIF!
[06:38] <Silverlion> re
[06:47] <YoBoY> bonjour
[06:51] <Silverlion> YoBoY : good morning. excuse my bad behaviour
[06:52] <YoBoY> what are you talking about ? :)
[06:54] <Silverlion> YoBoY : letting you wait for five minutes before you get a response
[06:56] <YoBoY> it's IRC, I never expect an answer to a "good morning" :)
[06:57] <YoBoY> and you seem to be on a windows machine, so you can't be fast :D
[06:58] <Silverlion> YoBoY : how you know?
[06:58] <YoBoY> ⟽ Silverlion est parti (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org)
[06:58] <YoBoY> miranda-im is a windows only im client
[07:00] <Silverlion> well could be on wine, or not?
[07:00] <YoBoY> yes could be... but who the hell can use an multi protocol windows im client on a linux system who have so many good clients for that :D
[07:05] <Silverlion> YoBoY : i have a windows past
[07:05] <Silverlion> :D
[07:08] <YoBoY> I have a windows too on a virtual machine for only one program :]
[07:24] <Silverlion> YoBoY : :D sorry i am working from home office now
[07:24] <Silverlion> answers can take a while
[07:30] <bkerensa> :)
[07:31] <bkerensa> I'm kind of wondering what the Ubuntu Leadership Team is doing these days? :)
[07:31] <bkerensa> its been quiet for awhile
[07:32]  * philipballew wonders the same as bkerensa 
[07:35] <bkerensa> I think akgraner passed the manual to someone in Canada who was going to have a look but thats the last I heard :D
[07:35] <bkerensa> she has been busy lately though =o
[07:36] <Silverlion> mornin' bkerensa
[07:36] <bkerensa> Good Morning Silverlion :D
[07:37] <YoBoY> we are all leading other teams, and time is not missing for this one
[07:37] <YoBoY> -not
[07:37] <bkerensa> indeed
[07:37] <bkerensa> :)
[07:37] <bkerensa> we all get very busy
[07:38] <Silverlion> YoBoY : yeah ... they have elected me for TL now as well :D
[07:38] <YoBoY> it's always the case for leaders ^^
[07:38] <bkerensa> Silverlion: For your LoCo?
[07:38] <bkerensa> :D
[07:38] <Silverlion> bkerensa : nope for Lubuntu-Comms
[07:38] <bkerensa> oh :)
[07:39] <bkerensa> Our LoCo doesn't yet have elections
[07:40] <Silverlion> bkerensa : well elections is nicely formulated ^^ they asked me and i had no chance to reject :D
[07:40] <bkerensa> lol
[07:40] <bkerensa> thats how I get most of my contributions in the community
[07:40] <bkerensa> people ask me
[07:41] <bkerensa> and my kindness or willingness prevents me from declining :P
[07:41] <head_victim> bkerensa: I used to be like that, then I started burning so I've stepped back into the core activites I enjoy so I don't burn out entirely :)
[07:42] <Silverlion> that is why i build my deputy-team around me ;)
[07:43] <bkerensa> head_victim: Yeah well luckily our LoCo has a Asst. Team Lead now
[07:43] <bkerensa> I think my LoCo work consumes the most time
[07:43] <head_victim> bkerensa: we only have a small handful of people that are active in the loco tbh and it's spread out over vast distances.
[07:43] <YoBoY> Silverlion: working with gillir ? :D
[07:43] <bkerensa> everyone always has questions :P sometimes I just have to get away from IRC otherwise the burn comes
[07:44] <Silverlion> YoBoY : why you ask
[07:44] <Silverlion> ?
[07:44] <YoBoY> it's a friend :)
[07:44] <head_victim> I sense a French connection ;)
[07:44] <YoBoY> sure ;)
[07:44] <bkerensa> head_victim: What loco are you with?
[07:44] <head_victim> Australian
[07:45] <head_victim> Ideally we'd like it split into states but realistically that would mean we'd have about one active member per state which isn't really maintainable.
[07:45] <head_victim> When we organise events we get 10 - 20 along (depending on the event) but the actual organisation and general running is handled by a small group.
[07:46] <bkerensa> yeah
[07:46] <YoBoY> head_victim: in france it's also a small group organising everything
[07:47] <bkerensa> Oregon and Washington have been trying for years to merge into a regional LoCo and at one point we were a regional LoCo but then a new council came in and said no more regional
[07:47] <bkerensa> ;p
[07:47] <bkerensa> so as a result Washington doesnt have much of anything going on and they just come down to do events with us
[07:47] <head_victim> bkerensa: ah that's a shame. People keep floating the idea of splitting our team up into states but they just don't understand, we have a small population and a large land mass. We have less people in our country than in a lot of US states.
[07:48] <head_victim> We're only around 20 million for the whole country last I checked.
[07:48] <bkerensa> yeah I think its unfortunate that sometimes it seems the council or powers that be do not realize the logistics of geography and variances in population
[07:49] <head_victim> Honestly, we have 2 maybe 3 of the 7 states that it might work for, the rest would disappear. So for me, keeping it as one for now is the only way.
[07:49] <YoBoY> our french point of view is : one loco to help every linux/ubuntu user group or other people organise events
[07:49] <bkerensa> Yeah :)
[07:51] <bkerensa> YoBoY: Have you had Ubuntu Cola?
[07:51] <bkerensa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Cola
[07:51] <YoBoY> some city have created ubuntu local team with our benediction and we are all working together. It's sometimes easier for users to identify to a smaller local group than a bigger country loco
[07:51]  * bkerensa is trying to find someone who knows where to get it
[07:51] <YoBoY> bkerensa: yes :)
[07:52]  * bkerensa needs export
[07:52] <bkerensa> lol
[07:52] <head_victim> YoBoY: yeah we have a couple of smaller groups that have 3 - 4 events a year together under the loco banner
[07:52] <YoBoY> some store sell it in Paris ^^"
[07:52] <bkerensa> :(
[07:52] <bkerensa> None in America
[07:52] <YoBoY> you can also buy it on internet I think
[07:53] <bkerensa> but they wont ship to U.S.
[07:53] <bkerensa> :(
[07:53] <bkerensa> Plus it would likely cost a fortune to ship
[07:53] <YoBoY> :]
[07:54] <bkerensa> It cost me so much to buy stuff from Canonical Store because they have heavy shipping from the UK and then U.S. Customs sits on items for a week
[07:54] <head_victim> Yeah I've made about 3 or 4 orders from the Canonical store. They're pretty pricey but then again, I see it as half support, half buying a product.
[07:57] <bkerensa> head_victim: I think if Ubuntu Foundation existed that it could do a good bit of funding for the cost of Ubuntu's Development
[07:57] <head_victim> bkerensa: you can already donate to the Ubuntu fund
[07:57] <head_victim> It's just not obvious.
[07:57] <head_victim> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved/donate
[07:59] <bkerensa> Yeah but this goes to Canonical which is a company not to the Community
[08:00] <head_victim> Yeah but Canonical does heavily support the community. Our loco has had multiple conference packs both as approved and unapproved teams.
[08:01]  * philipballew has 2 in his hotel room right now
[08:01] <philipballew> SUCK ON THAT!
[08:01] <head_victim> philipballew: 2 what?
[08:01] <head_victim> bkerensa: http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntuau/ has some pics of our last event.
[08:01] <bkerensa> Yeah but in the end Canonical owns Ubuntu and its Trademark
[08:01] <philipballew> confrence packs
[08:01] <bkerensa> so they are giving you free conf kits to promote something they hope to make money on
[08:01] <bkerensa> :)
[08:02] <bkerensa> dont get me wrong I love Ubuntu and the Community
[08:02] <bkerensa> but its like Wordpress and Automattic
[08:02] <head_victim> The community is the only reason I stuck with Ubuntu to be honest. I started on Fedora and got jack of it REAL quick.
[08:02] <bkerensa> people didnt like contributing to Wordpress because Automaticc held the trademark and owned the product even though it was open source
[08:02] <head_victim> Now I now linux a little I much rather apt based distro's anyway so happy to stay where I am for now.
[08:03] <bkerensa> in the end Automattic made the right decision and formed a foundation (wordpress.org) and transferred all rights to the foundation
[08:03] <bkerensa> so there is no commercial interest controlling it
[08:03] <bkerensa> heh
[08:03] <bkerensa> Yeah Fedora is eh :) it is what it is
[08:03] <head_victim> Ah ok, I don't know lots about politics, I try to avoid them outside of work as there's already too much of it there ;)
[08:11] <head_victim> bkerensa: I think the problem with the foundation idea is that sabdfl put in a lot of startup.
[08:11] <head_victim> And probably still does to this day if the reports of it still not being a commercial success are correct.
[08:17] <bkerensa> head_victim: Yes that is true but at the same time how many hundreds of people contribute to Ubuntu for free every year? :)
[08:18] <head_victim> bkerensa: depends on what Mark is in it for, perhaps when he's made his capital back he might. No idea though, purely speculation ;)
[08:18] <bkerensa> yeah
[08:18] <bkerensa> I think we will see the path coming in 13.04
[08:19] <bkerensa> I think Canonical is hoping/banking on Ubuntu being a success on TV's and Smartphones so they can get some enterprise support money there
[08:19] <head_victim> I'm pretty much the target audience for Ubuntu. I've got not IT training or experience and I've got to say, I don't mind Unity.
[08:19] <bkerensa> I dont mind Unity but I do use Classic on 12.04
[09:37] <Silverlion> wb philipballew
[09:37] <philipballew> Silverlion, whats wb mean dude?
[09:37] <Silverlion> w(elcome)b(ack)
[09:38] <Silverlion> better late then never, right?4
[09:59] <YoBoY> stupid question : abbreviations are not welcome on most of the french irc channels (mostly on the support channel), what's the rules of other teams about them ?
[10:03] <ashams> YoBoY, what abbreviations you mean?
[10:03] <YoBoY> like "wb" :)
[10:05] <ashams> heh, I can't live without such :) I think it's ok everywhere else
[10:06] <YoBoY> it is sometimes really hard to understand them
[10:29] <Silverlion> why dont we set up a dictionary for our community
[10:29] <Silverlion> so that those who cant live without can use them and others could translate?
[10:36] <YoBoY> well... each group develop their own abbreviations, for projects, for events, for fun. I think it's harder for a new comer to join a group if it's using too much abbreviations. In our french support case, with the "sms writing plague" it was decided to forbid them
[11:19] <head_victim> YoBoY: depends on context really. Most of the time announcing away and back are superfluous anyway.
[11:26] <YoBoY> head_victim: the wb is just an example, abbreviations can be harder
[11:26] <head_victim> YoBoY: I don't think it's a major drama in english speaking channels, it's possible it might get a bit different in other languages, I'm not really sure as I don't speak anything else.
[11:27] <YoBoY> :)