=== MasterComputer is now known as Guest72495 === IdleOne is now known as pangolin [07:55] Morning all [08:05] \o popey [08:19] anyone fancy confirming bug 919082 ? [08:19] Launchpad bug 919082 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Keyboard layout selector only supports max of 4 layouts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/919082 [08:20] popey: affirmative [08:21] and if it does please tick the 'This affects you' thing [08:21] done [08:22] thanks! [08:22] I checked in ubuntu 12.04 latest updates [08:51] aloha [08:51] why would you need more than 4 layouts? [09:16] Someone might need to write in 5 different languages. [09:18] dwatkins: Yes, I have experience with that. [09:19] popey: Ohhh, yes. [09:20] o/ [09:22] looks like it is a hard limit in X [09:22] AlanBell: Lovely. [09:23] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/LibXklavier in the documentation section there are two pdf files that explain it [09:24] I don't understand them, but that is where the four is coming from [09:25] So it's all SGI's fault? ;) [09:26] it is probably a wait for wayland kind of bug [09:26] should be fixed in 14.04 [09:29] Oh well. [09:33] Good morning peeps :) [09:35] Morning [09:35] Anyone else on BT Business broadband having issues this morning?# [09:38] oh deary me. http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/16642189 [09:39] gosh [09:39] :( [09:39] daubers: The only person I know on BT is online without any problems [09:40] DJones: It's an issue with BT Business broadband, specifically with people who have static IP's :( [09:40] Right, this was a residential line [09:40] BT have an answerphone message saying there's an issue.. [09:41] http://btbusiness.custhelp.com/app/service_status_consumer/ss_cat/2468,2470/ Website just suggests sheffield have problems [09:45] We have that issue and we're not in sheffield :( [09:46] http://btbusiness.custhelp.com/app/service_status/a_id/19500#ans_19500 [09:46] suggests a bigger problem [09:48] what i really want is for the keyboard layout on my mac to be correct, which it isnt ☹ [09:48] :) [09:48] a few stickers combined with a new keyboard mapping will solve that popey ? [09:49] howdy campers. [09:49] no [09:49] xkb config fixes [09:49] Yikes, it's Friday! [09:50] bug 786325 [09:50] Launchpad bug 786325 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Unable to change mouse cursor theme and size" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/786325 [09:51] hi smittix, I missed you last night sorry (I have kids). Yes iTunes is in a Windows 7 VM [09:51] I am on BTBB everything looks fine here in Nottingham. [09:52] nothingspecial: Thanks for that. [09:52] smittix: Got a static IP? [09:52] daubers: Yes several [09:52] Hmmm.... ours won't authenticate :( [09:52] However, I'm a lot further south than you [09:54] :/ [10:00] Merry Friday, everyone! :) [10:00] best holiday of the week [10:01] we really should make every Friday a national holiday [10:02] Like wear clogs to work day? [10:03] thats not a real thing right? because that would be horrible [10:03] * popey also wishes he knew why his ssh session hangs for some time, catching up when he presses a key [10:04] virgin media? [10:04] yes [10:04] :P [10:04] check your ping stats [10:04] my what? [10:04] check for dropped packets [10:04] or CRC errors [10:04] RX packets:6419628 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 [10:04] TX packets:7655543 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 [10:05] ;] [10:05] tubes clogged =\ [10:05] worth running a continuous ping to double check :-\ [10:07] popey: http://www.bufferbloat.net/ or a flaky router [10:07] http://paste.ubuntu.com/810534/ [10:07] Hop 2 seems to be lossy [10:07] Hop 1 seems to have scary high ping [10:08] hop 1 is my router I guess [10:08] looks like a traffic jam on the information superhighway [10:08] morning [10:09] Morning danfish_ [10:09] Morning [10:09] I expect VM's big speedupgrade is going to cause chaos over the next 6 months :/ [10:09] heh [10:09] daubers: o/ [10:09] Damn phpexcel and column widths not matching excel column widths [10:10] danfish_: oh yes, I look forward to it [10:10] popey: remind me to move tig to bytemark [10:11] went to 4yo son's assembly this morning to see him play the part of a duck. He cried [10:11] time to do some work :( [10:11] Oh dear [10:12] danfish_: why a duck ? [10:12] hmm my keyboard seems to have gone a bit crazy during the update " is now longer where it should be as is @ a bit confused [10:12] Sounds like a US layout [10:13] aye [10:13] What's this Arch Linux I hear so much about. [10:13] heh [10:13] -.- [10:14] New version of LightDM is looking good. [10:14] smittix: I think czajkowski would be dragged over to RH if anything :P [10:26] anyone on precise with a touchpad which supports multitouch? [10:26] we talking real multi-touch or the two finger drag kind? [10:27] real multitouch [10:27] 3 fingers should trigger dash [10:27] (it seems) [10:27] ah nope here [10:27] should really buy a magic whatever it is to test that stuff [10:27] the dash keeps popping up randomly, i can trigger it by holding my hand just above the touchpad [10:27] its insanely annoying [10:27] Carphone Warehouse still shows the Xoom in stock but won't let you buy it [10:27] *le sigh* [10:28] popey, you anywhere near millbank today? [10:28] you prefer a xoom to the tranformer prime? [10:28] no [10:28] oimon: price difference [10:28] ah shame, last day jason is there, he does our multi-touch stuff in unity [10:28] damnit, i was there yesterday [10:28] bigcalm: how much is the xoom? [10:29] tempted to buy a thinkpad and donate my mac to an ubuntu person if they promise to fix it [10:29] 249.99 from Carphone Warehouse [10:29] thinkpad <3 get the x220 ;) [10:29] everyone else has one, should work well [10:30] yeah, but thats missing the point ☹ [10:30] if everyone on the planet has an x220, no other laptops will ever work [10:31] tis true, in my defence, i got my x220 before everyone else did. everyone else is a poser === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [10:32] popey: No other laptops are worth it. [10:34] * czajkowski hugs her z830 [10:34] gord: is yours a tablet then? [10:35] popey, nope, tablet version wasn't out when i got mine [10:37] hmm no davmor2 :/ [10:38] czajkowski: need somebody to poke/hug? [10:39] I've not poked him or stabbed him or threatened to kill him once this year [10:39] and January is almost up! :) [10:40] Hence the hug option [10:40] Heh [10:40] * czajkowski hugs bigcalm [10:40] Awww [10:40] * bigcalm hugs czajkowski carefully [10:40] Always better than a poke [10:41] indeed [10:41] davmor2 normally shows up around 11 [10:41] he's crazy [10:41] Attending a wedding this afternoon. Such a shame that it's pouring with rain :( [10:41] good morning everyone. [10:42] good morning [10:42] morning occupy64k [10:42] Hullo [10:42] Today I will be mostly hacking on the command line [10:42] bigcalm: not used to friday weddings, mate has chosen a friday at the end of august, as she wants a BBQ on the saturday for close mates to stay around. and catch up. [10:43] * Neoti_Laptop just found codeigniter ..... playing........ [10:44] czajkowski: the husband to be has stomach cancer and the chemo hasn't worked. So they are getting married while he is still in fairly good health. Which meant organising a wedding in 10 days :( Feel really honoured to be invited to the wedding. We are their cat sitters :) [10:44] bigcalm: aww poor family [10:44] Neoti_Laptop: try cakephp instead :) [10:45] gonna be a lovely day but I suspect pretty emotional [10:45] i luv cake. [10:45] lol [10:45] will google it now [10:45] cakephp.org [10:45] CI makes you work far too hard for a MVC framework [10:46] mmm cake usually about now Myrtti and christel pop up at the mention of cake [10:46] cake. [10:46] ;) [10:46] Haha [10:46] cheesecake [10:46] morning :) [10:46] you can even make it lowcarb high protein [10:46] probably [10:46] and christel does have the flour! [10:46] haven't looked for recipies [10:47] i do indeed have flour :P [10:47] Beef Caje! [10:47] Cake! [10:47] I baked them a cake for xmas. Went down quite well apparently [10:48] http://superuser.com/questions/262244/how-to-make-libreoffice-calc-to-not-to-hide-unfit-content-of-a-cell-when-the-fol [10:48] any idea how to do what he is asking? [10:48] I hate libreoffice [10:49] well atleast he's using Calc [10:49] he is excused for using it [10:49] oooo, delete contents does it [10:49] there's no excuses for using Libreoffice for documents instead of latex [10:49] there is [10:49] i am exchanging documents with other people [10:49] so am I [10:49] what if the excuse is "i don't know latex well enough" [10:50] I've never used latex [10:50] Neither have I [10:50] * popey ignores the troll [10:50] or "latex produces documents that are too beautiful" [10:51] * popey leaves an answer like a good boy [10:51] * Myrtti gives popey a cookie === dengar_ is now known as d3ngar [10:53] wish i had cookies [10:55] * czajkowski gives gord some Millie cookies [10:55] yummy stuff! [10:56] I feel really good for not buying any cookies yesterday. London, Birmingham New Street and Telford Centre (shopping centre) all teased me with their Millie Cookies stands [10:57] popey: did you have anything in the cell on the right of the text? [10:57] the spill over only happens then the cell to the right of it is empty [11:03] lovely videos if you have 10 mins to spare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ahXIMUkSXX0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lOIP_Z_-0Hs [11:04] Morning all [11:04] czajkowski: proddity proddity proddity prod, Happy Friday [11:06] * czajkowski hugs davmor2 [11:06] see we're back to normal davmor2 is back [11:08] czajkowski: No I was still nice I added Happy Friday to the end :) [11:10] indeed [11:19] This seems a promising read for Linux engineers http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2012/01/20/linux_foundation_survey_big_data/ [11:26] daubers: Having problems here now. [11:29] I'm on BT at home, it seems to work ok in Edinburgh. [11:42] I want to hit PHPExcel with something [11:42] A clue bat would be good [11:44] sounds like a fun plugin, bigcalm ... [11:49] heh "phpexcel" - there is not a single letter in there that i want a part of [11:50] lol [11:55] dwatkins: it's a useful library, if you have to deal with excel poop for clients [11:56] bigcalm: ah I see, I feel your pain [11:56] But right now I'm having silly problems with the PHP itself [11:56] * dwatkins heads home to let BT in to hopefully fix his internet connection that drops out 5 times a day [11:56] c ya [11:57] Toodles === MasterComputer is now known as Guest35869 [12:31] PHP! HELP! http://paste.ubuntu.com/810643/ [12:31] :) [12:33] * MartijnVdS gives bigcalm a can of eye bleach [12:35] Huh. [12:35] bigcalm: try on a PHP channel :P [12:35] davmor2: there are PHP devs in here :P [12:35] PHP is so '70. [12:36] bigcalm: i just hump mgdm's leg whenever i need php [12:36] Tricky as it's a language of the '90s [12:36] bigcalm: yeap but they won't mock you as much as an entire channel of them would :D [12:36] christel: would you mind humping his leg for me? ;) [12:36] not at all [12:36] davmor2: I'm used to it :P [12:36] * christel gets the lu...oh [12:36] * christel tickles mgdm [12:38] looks like I need to add ubuntu-uk.tex on my IRCQuotes book [12:43] Not to worry. The example code was duff. I've found how to do it propperly [12:45] bigcalm: Strip everything and only keep lines 2 to 12. [12:45] bigcalm: man you got to love google :D [12:45] bigcalm: Oh, you found it. [12:46] Replaced: [12:46] $objReader = new PHPExcel_Reader_Excel2007(); [12:46] $objPHPExcel = $objReader->load($fileName); [12:46] With: [12:46] Perl? [12:46] $objPHPExcel = PHPExcel_IOFactory::load($fileName); [12:46] Haha [12:46] ;) [12:47] popey: http://mterry.name/log/2012/01/20/cant-log-into-precise-heres-help/ [12:53] AlanBell: thanks, have set dupe [12:55] o___O [12:57] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Eudora_OSE [12:58] Eudora?! [12:59] I actually _bought_ that [12:59] woo more japanese candy through my letter box, best service ever [12:59] wooo [12:59] internets is back [13:02] That was an excellent sandwich [13:02] the only issue is, that it's not finished [13:02] s/not/now/ [13:03] aww [13:04] Is it possible to crop a spreadsheet to a specified range? [13:21] Sod it, sub way [13:22] Subway solves everything [13:22] especially hunger [13:22] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aluminium-Linux-Ubuntu-Case-Badge-Sticker-/280803272311?pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SR&hash=item41612de677 [13:22] just incase any of you UK guys wanted to do a bit of pride on your laptops [13:28] would if it was the new branding [13:28] we should get some made [13:33] I need some stickers for my lappy [13:33] popey: let me know when you do :) [13:59] I've got an ubuntu template at home for use with a spray can - spray the circle of friends on you laptop lid. Anyone want to borrow? [14:00] Does anyone know if there's a FUSE irc channel? [14:00] I should take a photo of my laptop lid [14:00] or can anyone tell me how I can catch what functions something wants me to impliment in python-fuse (instead of just getting a -34 error) [14:01] I wish someone would fix flickrfs [14:02] why not you? ;) scratching itches is what most fixes come from [14:03] gord: because it's been so long from my coding days I can't do even a helloworld in any of the languages I've ever used apart from LaTeX without sneaking a look from some cheatsheet [14:03] not at this moment anyway [14:06] oh and bash of course [14:06] that and latex [14:06] sounds like a good time to learn ;) [14:07] I know [14:07] :-| [14:13] afternoon all [14:15] Hello kazade [14:16] hey daubers_, how's the book going? [14:17] kazade: A bit slowly, but getting there :) Did all the exercises to the end of chapter 2 [14:17] cool, I need to dig out the latest code for you [14:17] spent ages understanding the windowing stuff that used X [14:17] my VPS died and it was hosted there [14:17] :( [14:18] yeah, annoyingly I couldn't cover Linux in detail in the text :( [14:18] as the original was Windows focused [14:18] Yeah, I kinda understand what's going one now (more or less) just need to carry on working through to get to the bits where I'm a bit wonky [14:18] hey kazade [14:19] long time no see [14:19] daubers_: ok, I'll try and port some of the apps to SDL 1.3 which will make life easier for you :) [14:19] hey popey [14:19] yeah, I keep forgetting about IRC :p [14:19] how's things? [14:19] heh [14:19] not bad ☺ [14:19] how's the new job going? [14:19] well, newish [14:19] sweet! [14:20] cool :) [14:22] * Laney bimbles [14:32] apt-get update is such a tease.... 20s left... 10s left... 2. 1.. nope! anther 90s left! [14:37] brought to you by the author of the windows file copy dialogue box. [14:40] new thriller, this January - will he keep the file transfer speed up to 200K/s? What happens if the speed goes below 50K? Presenting Gord Allott in his breakthrough role - premiere on Friday 20th! [14:42] spelt my second name right :D no one does that [14:42] that's because I know you're not Alot [14:42] even though I like you alot [14:43] picturing an elmo alot now [14:44] gord: that's just wrong [15:11] Elmo likes code! Elmo wants Coffee! [15:21] Elmo has web developer friend! ...... "COOKIE!!!!" [15:37] has anyone here used kidsruby === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:41] Can someone explain to me what the magic trick that's being explained here is and how I can impliment it? http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/fuse/index.php?title=FUSE_Python_Reference#File_Class_Methods [15:41] [15:54] daubers: You're a Python guy yeah? [15:54] kazade: I ive in a couple of languages, but python mostly :) [15:55] what's your editor of choice? [15:55] :) [15:55] * AlanBell contemplates an interesting fuse driver [15:55] kazade: pydev :) [15:56] kazade: But largley because I have machines that can handle eclipse well [15:56] Yeah mine too... well until Eclipse's memory usage drove me crazy [15:56] I'm hacking plugins for GEdit to make it more Pydev-like (but without the bloat) [15:56] kazade: geany, gedit, nano, vim, and emacs are the most totted ones with idle for beginners [15:56] https://github.com/lukebpotato/geditpycompletion [15:57] kazade: try geany it's basically gedit geared to devs [15:57] also: https://github.com/potatolondon/GPyflakes [15:57] davmor2: Yeah I've used Geany [15:57] geany ♥ [15:57] they're all good :) [15:58] geany is loverly for latex as well [15:58] I like how easy it is to write GEdit plugins though (granted, I haven't checked what geany's plugin API is like :) ) [15:59] geany is nice :) i use vim myself, but if you want a moused based editor, its really good at just being nice and not getting in the way [16:00] Well, if anyone needs a Python code completion plugin for GEdit, there's one there ^^ :) [16:00] * zleap is upgrading to 11.10 [16:00] I must check out geany again.. [16:00] I'm not entirely sure why I stopped using geany actually.. [16:01] non gtk3 compatible? [16:02] what, geany? [16:02] yeah [16:02] it's more of a question than a statement :P [16:02] does geany have no menu, or not work with the global menu? [16:02] I think I must've just stopped using it when I realized that GEdit could be more than just a Notepad equiv :) [16:06] hmm it's a shame Geany's plugin API is in C and not Python - I thought there would have been an easy port there :p [16:11] daubers: what will your fuse thing do? [16:13] a spooky floating error message: http://i.imgur.com/YdsAV.jpg [16:20] AlanBell: hide some files between UIDs [16:20] and redirect some writes to those files [16:20] making programs taht aren't designed for shared storage work with shared storage :) [16:21] has anyone tried linuxdeepin? [16:21] http://www.linuxdeepin.com/ [16:24] Can't get this magic trick to work :( Don't really understand what it's doing [16:28] daubers: I am failing at the first hurdle, "fusermount mountpoint script.py" doesn't work [16:28] fusermount: extra arguments after the mountpoint [16:29] anyone tried mumble on windows? [16:29] I keep getting an odd error that everyone else gets, but nobody knows how to fix [16:30] ""A referral was returned from the server."" [16:31] popey: i suspect version mismatch. [16:31] popey: grab a different binary [16:31] OR.. just use G+ [16:31] AlanBell: heh, fun. I've got the script mounting itself [16:31] Due to an expiring certificate no Mumble 1.2.2 or newer released before today (15.01.2012) will work on the Windows Platform after 15 January 2012 11:36:47 GMT. If such an outdated Mumble is launched after that date the error message “A referral was returned by the server” will be displayed by Windows and Mumble will not start. [16:31] i cant use G+ when the people i need to speak to are on mumble [16:32] popey: ^^ [16:32] http://blog.mumble.info/important-update-to-mumble-1-2-3a/ [16:32] i am on 1.2.3a [16:33] * popey reinstalls [16:33] the blog also has a fixed mumble exe for the 1.2.3 stable so try that otherwis [16:35] gone to 1.2.4 which starts now [16:35] thanks [16:36] np [16:47] /usr/share/doc/python-fuse/examples/hello.py seems to work [16:55] czajkowski: prod! [16:56] popey: why would you want to use mumble on Windows out of curiosity? [16:57] i use mumble on windows, to talk to people, because skype is a pain [16:58] gord: fair enough I just wondered if there was a big mumble following, obviously there is some :) [16:58] is this a canonical internal murmer server? [16:58] davmor2, for video games mind [16:58] people use mumble or some other one [16:58] I have a customer interested in using mumble [16:58] gord: ah okay [16:59] mumble can integrate into games and display stuff on top of the games [16:59] i use mumble on windows because mumble on linux sucks donkey balls [16:59] anyone trying to convince me otherwise can go to /dev/null [16:59] * czajkowski hugs davmor2 [17:00] * davmor2 sends himself to /dev/null [17:00] mumble works fine for me :P [17:00] after i set it to explicitly use certain devices, i haven't had any problems [17:01] popey: only issue I get is sometime on initial startup it doesn't do audio, restart and all is fine [17:03] popey: maybe you abuse it incorrectly ;) [17:03] * popey can't hear davmor2 talking from inside /dev/null [17:04] daubers: this python fuse stuff doesn't cover up the c very well does it! [17:04] popey: You'll like it here it's full of software you love to hate [17:07] AlanBell: :) [17:09] AlanBell: ah, fuse [17:09] still can't get the magic to work :( [17:09] AlanBell: I started looking at implementing a filesystem in fuse [17:10] AlanBell: after some dramatic use of dd, strings and a bit of C to extract the binary bits, I just wrote a script to pick the disk images apart [17:11] struct.unpack [17:11] use it [17:33] * awilkins rolls back to about 1600-ish in the log [17:33] kazade, gord, I quite like Komodo for the very little Python I do ; it has member indexing and autocomplete and also a vim emulation. [17:34] komodo is good for python, but i've not seen it since before it went free [17:34] is Komodo free now? [17:34] * kazade adds it to the list [17:34] kazade, They do a free and a premium [17:34] cool [17:34] kazade, Komodo Edit for free, Komodo IDE for bucks [17:34] Ahh k.. [17:35] Eclipse PyDev has always been cool once it's configured with Pylint, but it's just so resource hungry :( [17:35] the main reason that komodo is good for python is that everything else is so bad with python though [17:35] If I suddenly became a pro Python developer, I'd probably pay for the IDE version and try it out for a month or so [17:36] But I've not hacked any Python since I got Bazaar working well enough in Windows [17:36] gord: geany ftw :D [17:36] (only a few things, like IIS and SSH support in win32 environments) [17:38] What I've really been craving is a good Debian packaging plugin for Eclipse [17:38] It can't be that hard... have a "source" object and "package output" objects and fill in the forms for them... [17:38] davmor2, vim ftw :P [17:39] Run lintian over it at the end and present the problems in the Eclipse problems list [17:39] gord: if you're going down that path nano ftw! [17:39]