[12:05] <rick_h> @#$#@ it's cold out there
[12:05] <rick_h> freezing morning
[12:05] <mydogsnameisrudy> yep -0 here in the UP
[12:06] <rick_h> 2 here
[12:06] <rick_h> cleaned off the wife's windows on her car and realized I should have taken the time to get gloves out
[12:07] <mydogsnameisrudy> wifes car is in the garage with heat ;)
[12:09] <llua> :|
[12:09]  * llua takes mydogsnameisrudy's heat
[12:19] <mydogsnameisrudy> finds it amazing that people can get on irc channel and no nothing about linux ;)
[12:19] <mydogsnameisrudy> or about computers
[12:31] <snap-l> mydogsnameisrudy: People still use teephones without knowing about VOIP, PBXes, or switches. :)
[12:31] <snap-l> IRC is just a communication's medium
[12:32] <mydogsnameisrudy> im still amazed at what they say ;)
[12:32] <snap-l> Ah, first check
[12:32] <snap-l> mydogsnameisrudy: Well, that's a different matter. :)
[12:33] <snap-l> But that's also like being amazed there's stupid people out there. ;)
[12:33] <mydogsnameisrudy> there is? doh
[12:33] <snap-l> (not saying those folks are stupid, because we all start somewhere)
[12:33] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya i guess
[12:33] <mydogsnameisrudy> i have much to learn too so
[12:34] <snap-l> I remember the first time the network admin at Wayne State called me into his office
[12:34] <snap-l> about something I posted on Usenet.
[12:35] <mydogsnameisrudy> were you bad?
[12:37] <snap-l> Someone said something on the Internet that I didn't agree with
[12:38] <snap-l> so I quoted the entire posting, and added two words to the bottom:
[12:38] <snap-l> "Blow Me"
[12:38] <llua> classy.
[12:38] <mydogsnameisrudy> and you called them oh lol
[12:38] <snap-l> that's when I learned about crossposting
[12:38] <mydogsnameisrudy> heh
[12:38] <snap-l> because the one newgroup (alt.cdrom) seemed appropriate for such talk
[12:38] <snap-l> however, alt.caving was not
[12:39] <snap-l> and someone from alt.caving sent a note to our admin letting him know of my bad behavior
[12:39] <snap-l> he thought it was hilarious
[12:39] <snap-l> but of course let me stew a while thinking I was in troule
[12:39] <snap-l> trouble
[12:39] <snap-l> So yes, we all start somewhere
[12:40] <mydogsnameisrudy> y0ur just bad thats all lol
[12:40] <snap-l> Well, I won't argue that. ;)
[12:49] <snap-l> https://shop.cariboucoffee.com/asp/shop/detail.asp?c=1&p=1102 <- I must try this
[12:50] <brousch> wow, i started digging into this one and there are so many layers of pain http://askubuntu.com/questions/97023/how-do-i-configure-pydevpython-3-2pygtk
[12:54] <Wolfger> Morning. Love the "blow me" story, snap-l
[12:55] <mydogsnameisrudy> its is to the point indeed
[13:03] <mydogsnameisrudy> anyone running kde im wondering how to make terminal come up with ctl alt t or if i should even do that
[13:06] <Wolfger> I'm not sure offhand. I use the Yakuake terminal, and that has a configurable hotkey (f12 by default).
[13:06] <brousch> mydogsnameisrudy: good question. i just did it
[13:07] <brousch> system settings -> shortcuts and gestures
[13:07] <brousch> highlight "Custom Shortcuts"
[13:07] <mydogsnameisrudy> im there
[13:07] <brousch> right-click in the white area under the list
[13:07] <brousch> New->global shortcut
[13:08] <brousch> command/url
[13:08] <mydogsnameisrudy> ah there it is thx
[13:08] <brousch> got it?
[13:08] <mydogsnameisrudy> im trying
[13:08] <mydogsnameisrudy> ;) thx
[13:09] <brousch> NP. i;ve been wanting to do that but had been too lazy to try ;)
[13:09] <Wolfger> LOL
[13:09] <Wolfger> glad to see laziness is overcome by a desire to be helpful
[13:11] <mydogsnameisrudy> what do you put in the action tab under command/url
[13:12] <brousch> konsole
[13:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok
[13:12] <brousch> one good thing has come out of unity!
[13:13] <mydogsnameisrudy> ah nice thx
[13:15] <Wolfger> brousch++
[13:15] <Wolfger> best thing to ever happen to Kubuntu
[13:16] <mydogsnameisrudy> forcing myself to learn kde
[13:16] <brousch> once you learn to move panels and widgets around you're all set
[13:16] <mydogsnameisrudy> just hard to find things
[13:18] <brousch> try alt+f2
[13:18] <brousch> brings up a little boc you can type in and it filters/searches for you
[13:38] <mydogsnameisrudy> right click / run command
[13:39] <brousch> yep, same thing
[14:21] <ColonelPanic001> <3 KDE
[14:22] <ColonelPanic001> I like to make windows key + spacebar bring up krunner
[14:22] <ColonelPanic001> little easier
[14:25] <mydogsnameisrudy> just got used to it in gnome
[14:26] <mydogsnameisrudy> oh krunner is the run command ?
[14:26] <ColonelPanic001> well, whatever works. I just though it was a bit of a reach to do alt+f2 for something I use frequently
[14:27] <ColonelPanic001> yeah
[14:27] <mydogsnameisrudy> ic
[14:27] <ColonelPanic001> the "run stuff" box
[14:27] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[14:27] <mydogsnameisrudy> just wanted the terminal but can see using krunner more also
[14:28] <ColonelPanic001> install "yakuake", maybe
[14:28] <ColonelPanic001> http://www.nixternal.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/yakuake.png
[14:28] <ColonelPanic001> terminal window that slides in/out of the desktop with f12 (or whatever key you set)
[14:30] <Wolfger> <3 yakuake
[14:30] <rick_h> I used to be a big yakuake fan years ago
[14:40] <mydogsnameisrudy> ah so it sits on the top of screen all the time
[14:41] <ColonelPanic001> f12 brings it in and out, but it's always on top when visible, yeah
[14:42] <snap-l> I really wish I didn't see NSFW concepts when I see the word yakuake
[14:48] <brousch> snap-l: some things cannot be unseen
[14:50] <ColonelPanic001> at least now I know it wasn't just me
[14:53] <mydogsnameisrudy> what is unsafe?
[14:54] <snap-l> mydogsnameisrudy: Trust us when we say that ignorance is bliss
[14:54] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmm dont like being stuped ;)
[14:55] <snap-l> mydogsnameisrudy: Well, I don't want to be your corrupting influence. ;)
[14:55] <mydogsnameisrudy> ah well to late now
[14:57] <brousch> let's just say certain japanese perversions share a similar name
[14:58] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok so its unGodly i get it
[15:01] <snap-l> In a manner of speaking, yes.
[15:01] <brousch> depends on your god i guess
[15:02] <snap-l> It's Michigan. We only have one worth mentioning. ;)
[15:02] <mydogsnameisrudy> ;) only 1 God in my book
[15:02]  * snap-l slaps himself with a CoC
[15:02] <brousch> depends on your book i guess
[15:02] <mydogsnameisrudy> B.I.B.L.E
[15:04] <brousch> i was gonna say "depends on your version of the bible i guess", but that's something that is probably consistent between them ;)
[15:05] <Blazeix> i'd be surprised if the bible actually has any provisions against it.
[15:05] <Blazeix> that'd be awfully specific
[15:05] <snap-l> Blazeix: Always so helpful, you are. ;)
[15:06] <brousch> well i'm sure the catholics disapprove
[15:06] <snap-l> not only because it's technically correct, but now you'll have be checking to see if it's actually correct.
[15:06] <mydogsnameisrudy> are we talking about lust?
[15:06] <ColonelPanic001> "Thou shalt not learn new sexual positions from Japanese videos on the Internet (thou shalt figure out what that means in a few thousand years). No srsly, cut that out."
[15:07] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: I believe in the greek translation, it clearly states 4chan, which was misinterpreted by the early biblican scholars.
[15:08] <brousch> But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his. So whenever he went in to his brother's wife he would waste the semen on the ground, so as not to give offspring to his brother. And what he did was wicked in the sight of the Lord, and he put him to death also.
[15:08] <brousch> i think that covers it
[15:08] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l++
[15:08] <mydogsnameisrudy> woooo yep
[15:09]  * ColonelPanic001 must discontinue this line of discussion in the channel
[15:10] <brousch> although the answers here are surprisingly insightful http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006060119740
[15:11] <brousch> surprising because it's yahoo answers
[15:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> is this offtopic?
[15:13] <ColonelPanic001> if we're talking about it, it's the topic
[15:13] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok good ;)
[15:13] <brousch> i don't think we are on-topic more than 5% of the time ;)
[15:13] <mydogsnameisrudy> been on #ubuntu to much i guess
[15:14] <snap-l> mydogsnameisrudy: We're pretty laid back in here
[15:14] <snap-l> mostly because I think greg-g is the only one with the ability to get ops
[15:28] <snap-l> I wonder if the one part of sqlalchemy that's missing is what the file should look like once you're done with the tutorial: http://stackoverflow.com/a/860614/535883
[15:29] <brousch> i heard that the sqlalchemy docs are total crap so you should just not use it
[15:31] <rick_h> snap-l: add it as a patch to examples: http://www.sqlalchemy.org/docs/orm/examples.html
[15:31] <snap-l> I may do that.
[15:31] <snap-l> since it seems to be my biggest stumbling block
[15:32] <rick_h> yea, it's not huge, and there's a place for examples
[15:35] <rick_h> and doctests can diaf!
[15:35] <snap-l> ruh roh
[15:35] <rick_h> any time someone tells you the right answer is a doctest, send them to me for the @#$#@$#@ off statement they have coming to them
[15:35] <snap-l> heh
[15:36] <snap-l> That's part of the reason I stopped reading the Python Testing Beginners Guide book
[15:36] <snap-l> starts off with doctests
[15:36] <snap-l> Picked up the cookbook since that's more what I'm looking for
[15:38] <brousch> snap-l: i did the same thing
[15:38] <brousch> well, not the cookbook, but stopped reading
[15:38] <rick_h> just get past it
[15:39] <rick_h> tests are good, and doctests look pretty, but they're @#$#@ pita to debug/work with
[15:39] <brousch> later chapters refer back to the doctests so you have to read them anyways
[15:39] <rick_h> as long as they pass it's great
[15:39] <snap-l> We're wimps. ;)
[15:39] <rick_h> test up wimps :)
[15:39] <brousch> testing is for wimps!
[15:40] <brousch> real men edit code on the production server!
[15:40] <brousch> none of this mamby-pamby will-it-run-oh-i-better-test-it crap. i know it will run because i wrote it and i am infallible!
[15:41]  * rick_h adds brousch to the canonical blacklist
[15:42] <rick_h> carry on :)
[15:44] <snap-l> I knew it!
[15:45] <Wolfger> brousch: So the moral of the story of Onan is that you should get your brother's wife pregnant or god will strike you down?
[15:45] <brousch> no, you should do what god tells you to even if you don't want to
[15:46] <snap-l> Wolfger: And when sleeping dogs get nice and comfy, Wolfger arrives with the cymbals.
[15:47] <Wolfger> sorry. Was afk originally, and scrollback calls to me :-)
[15:47] <snap-l> http://www.chillywillyfan.com/chillypics/8/cymbals.jpg
[15:48] <rick_h> woot! #achivement unlocked, call a guy a she in irc based on nick
[15:48] <snap-l> Let me guess: balloons?
[15:49] <rick_h> heh no
[15:49] <Wolfger> rick_h: Hey, it's all assumptions until you are specifically told... Why would assuming female be any less correct than assuming male? ;-)
[15:54] <Wolfger> some names just sound very male, like _stink_, and some sound very female, like ubuntulog2
[15:57]  * _stink_ flexes
[15:59] <snap-l> my eyes!
[16:00] <_stink_> that's right.
[16:03] <Wolfger> my nose!
[16:03] <brousch> my ass!
[16:04] <Wolfger> not going there...
[16:05] <brousch> thank goodness
[16:13] <greg-g> g'morn
[16:22] <Wolfger> AskUbuntu question of the day, "internet unusable" :-)
[16:27] <ColonelPanic001> "this is the normal state of the Internet"
[17:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> im lookin for a way to not use kwallet for the wifi password at login?
[17:12] <rick_h> sudo apt-get install kwallet :P
[17:12] <rick_h> oops
[17:13] <rick_h> sudo apt-get remove kwallet
[17:13] <mydogsnameisrudy> remove?
[17:13] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok
[17:13] <rick_h> that's less funny now sorry
[17:13] <rick_h> bah, need to take a lunch break soon
[17:13] <mydogsnameisrudy> kwallet sucks?
[17:13] <rick_h> I don't run any of that stuff
[17:13] <rick_h> so no idea I guess
[17:13] <mydogsnameisrudy> the wifi will still work?
[17:14] <rick_h> probably shoudn't remove it. It'll probably want to yank out half of kde
[17:14] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmm
[17:15] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok google more i guess
[17:15] <rick_h> yea sorry, I'm not helpful
[17:24] <jrwren> rick_h: pong from yesterday or 2 days ago? :)
[17:24] <rick_h> jrwren: nvm, regex ? I got straight
[17:25] <rick_h> and then last night got told I didn't need to do it that way at all so I'm set, thanks
[17:42] <nixternal> mydogsnameisrudy: you need to use a blank password to stop that kwallet crap
[17:42] <rick_h> nixternal: hey how goes?
[17:42] <snap-l> I <3 that Windows puts authenticity of the Windows install over security.
[17:42] <nixternal> wasabi rick_h
[17:43] <snap-l> Hey nixternal, the prodigal blue-haired stepchild wrangler. ;)
[17:43] <nixternal> download & build dwm, be done with that desktop environment crap
[17:43] <snap-l> Now now. :)
[17:44] <rick_h> dwm now?
[17:44] <nixternal> yeah, way to fast and useful not to use
[17:44] <mydogsnameisrudy> so what just dont put a  password in there?
[17:44] <nixternal> i know, it is c and not c++, but it works
[17:44] <rick_h> heh, well I'm still on awesome so c/c++ doesn't matter :)
[17:45] <nixternal> mydogsnameisrudy: open up kwallet manager, select the networking folder in there, click delete. when asked in the future for allowing networkmangler, select always, and just leave the password fields blank
[17:46] <nixternal> only reason i can remember that is because back in the day i thought it was all cool to have 4 billion passwords to make my computer so secure, that if someone stole it, the only thing they could do is format it and put their own crap on there :p
[17:48] <mydogsnameisrudy> well for some reason kwalletmanager will not    open
[17:49] <nixternal> hrmm
[17:50] <snap-l> mydogsnameisrudy: Did you run the remove command that rick_h mentioned? Because if you did, you'll need to re-install it
[17:50] <mydogsnameisrudy> no i didnt remove
[17:50] <nixternal> you can't remember kwallet
[17:51] <nixternal> anyways
[17:51] <nixternal> it is part of kde-runtime
[17:51] <nixternal> gah, s/remember/remove/
[17:51] <mydogsnameisrudy> got that ;)
[17:59] <brousch> nixternal: you can't just change the password to nothing?
[17:59] <nixternal> hrmm, i don't know to be honest. you might be able to, but for the past 3 or 4 years i just use blank right from the get go
[18:00] <brousch> you are off kde now?
[18:00] <nixternal> not fully. i still use it more than anything else, just not all of that flashy crap and what not they have bloated it with
[18:01] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok i was wrong its not kwallet it kdewallet
[18:02] <brousch> i set my wallet password to blank
[18:02] <brousch> no idea if it works though
[18:03] <brousch> i think kdewallet is just the default name for a kwallet
[18:03] <mydogsnameisrudy> tryed that at login needed to put in a password .
[18:04] <nixternal> you might have to tell the password prompt to remember the password maybe. i know it is in/around where you are playing with
[18:05] <brousch> nixternal: getting dumped on with snow?
[18:05]  * nixternal looks out the window
[18:05] <nixternal> holy hell, yes we are
[18:05] <nixternal> dude, an hour ago it wasn't doing a darn thing
[18:06] <brousch> i cursed you
[18:06] <nixternal> they can't make up their mind how much we are supposed to get
[18:06] <brousch> 3-6"
[18:06] <nixternal> yesterday was 5 to 8, today was 6 to 12, 2 hours ago was 5 to 10, and someone just said 10+
[18:07] <brousch> have fun with that
[18:07] <nixternal> 3-5" now
[18:07] <nixternal> lol
[18:07] <nixternal> light fluffy snow, nothing a leaf blower can't fix
[18:07] <brousch> barbaric
[18:07] <rick_h> yea, too cold for the good snow
[18:08] <snap-l> nixternal: Why does that sound like the famous last words of a Darwin Award winner?
[18:08] <brousch> mydogsnameisrudy: you believe this? nixternal uses a leaf blower to shovel snow
[18:08] <mydogsnameisrudy> got it go into kdewallet hit change  password leave blank wala
[18:08] <nixternal> yeah, but instead of spending an hour snowblowing, in just 5 or 10 minutes i can use the leaf blower and clear the driveway
[18:08] <mydogsnameisrudy> not much snow i guess
[18:08] <brousch> voila
[18:08] <nixternal> brousch: when it is light & fluffy, nothing beats a leaf blower to get rid of the snow
[18:08] <nixternal> i learned that trick growing up in michigan in the 1970s :D
[18:09] <snap-l> back when leaf blowers were box fans. ;)
[18:09] <mydogsnameisrudy> heated leaf blower?
[18:09] <nixternal> mydogsnameisrudy: i have used it for about a foot of snow in the past. if you get to it and don't let it sit, it will get all the way to the pavement. if you let it sit, leaf blow to get all you can, then follow up with a shovel to get the wet stuff that stuck
[18:10] <nixternal> snap-l: well not box fans, but the big industrial fans
[18:10] <brousch> redneck snowblower
[18:10] <mydogsnameisrudy> i use a dodge 2500 4x4 with a western 8foot plow
[18:10] <nixternal> ahh, 3-5" this afternoon, 3 more this evening
[18:10] <mydogsnameisrudy> but my drive is alost a 1/4 mile long
[18:10] <mydogsnameisrudy> almm osst
[18:10] <nixternal> sucker
[18:10] <mydogsnameisrudy> ack
[18:10] <mydogsnameisrudy> almost
[18:11] <nixternal> ours is about 60' long and 30' wide
[18:11] <mydogsnameisrudy> were are you?
[18:11] <nixternal> chicago
[18:11] <mydogsnameisrudy> windy city ok
[18:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> im 300 mile north by north east
[18:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> ;)
[18:12] <nixternal> born in benton harbor
[18:12] <nixternal> you in the yooper
[18:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya ah
[18:12] <nixternal> schoolcraft?
[18:13] <mydogsnameisrudy> im in Hessel
[18:13] <nixternal> watersmeet? no, that isn't northeast
[18:13] <mydogsnameisrudy> Mackinac
[18:15] <nixternal> how far are you from a best buy? :D
[18:15] <mydogsnameisrudy> is that a town ;)
[18:15] <nixternal> gahahaha
[18:15] <mydogsnameisrudy> heh
[18:15] <nixternal> now that was freakin' funny
[18:16] <mydogsnameisrudy> there is a dollor store 20 miles from me
[18:16] <brousch> that's the closest thing?
[18:16] <mydogsnameisrudy> yep
[18:16] <brousch> how do you have high speed internet?
[18:16] <mydogsnameisrudy> its called dish
[18:16] <nixternal> yeah, there isn't much up there man. the yooper is probably one of my favorite cycling destinations now
[18:16] <mydogsnameisrudy> i have no phone lines to my home eather
[18:16] <snap-l> motivated pidgeons
[18:17] <nixternal> haha
[18:17] <nixternal> what color is your house? umm, it is white, with little purple spots
[18:17] <nixternal> aka pidgeon poop
[18:17] <mydogsnameisrudy> looks just like a cedar tree kind of greenish
[18:17] <mydogsnameisrudy> cant see it
[18:17] <mydogsnameisrudy> :)
[18:17] <nixternal> get the freak out of here. hessel has been street mapped, but my hood hasn't
[18:18] <mydogsnameisrudy> cuz there is only 3 streets ;)
[18:19] <nixternal> i am waiting for an area west of me to show up on street maps. i drafted the google car on my bicycle for about 4 miles at 35MPH at the end of the summer
[18:20] <mydogsnameisrudy> um you have a bicycle?
[18:20] <nixternal> quite a few of them :)
[18:20] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmmm rides a harley
[18:21] <nixternal> and you have a sled dog :p
[18:21] <nixternal> i race bicycles and am highly addicted to it
[18:21] <mydogsnameisrudy> no redbone coon hounds
[18:21] <nixternal> it is my crack
[18:21] <mydogsnameisrudy> ah
[18:21] <mydogsnameisrudy> i sail as in water and boat
[18:21] <nixternal> i used to do that when i was in the navy, but once i got out, i was tired of water
[18:22] <nixternal> still haven't worked up the nerve to take a shower since 1998
[18:22] <rick_h> c
[18:22] <mydogsnameisrudy> ha nice
[18:22] <nixternal> rick_h: why do you think i always get drunk when i hang out in your hood? i can't stand to smell myself
[18:22] <nixternal> i figure if i can't smell, neither can you :p
[18:23] <nixternal> forgot to add a "myself" up there
[18:24] <rick_h> huh?
[18:24] <rick_h> missed the move to discussing smells
[18:25] <greg-g> wow
[18:25] <mydogsnameisrudy> whats the name of the kid in charle brown that was a big dust ball
[18:26] <Blazeix> pigpen
[18:27] <mydogsnameisrudy> nixternal - pigpen must be one in the same
[18:27] <nixternal> that's better than lucy i guess
[18:30] <nullspace> nixternal: holy shit, your in the channel, talking...
[18:31] <nixternal> shut it
[18:32] <nixternal> had to come on to link to a couple of apk's i built for ICS on android
[18:32] <rick_h> doing android dev these days?
[18:33] <nixternal> only when i need to
[18:33] <Wolfger> coming to Penguicon?
[18:33] <nixternal> when is it?
[18:33] <nixternal> i could always google it
[18:34] <Wolfger> April 27-29
[18:34] <Wolfger> Had to check. Used to be late April, but then they switched to early May. Looks like they switched back
[18:35] <nixternal> checking to see if there are any races that weekend
[18:35] <brousch> there is Chicago to Detroit race that weekend
[18:35] <Wolfger> we'll save a special ribbon for you...
[18:35] <Wolfger> There you go. Race on down and join the fun.
[18:37] <nixternal> yeah, no more special ribbons for me
[18:37] <nixternal> after the 1st year, i will never do the ribbon thing again
[18:38] <brousch> too many paternity suits resulted?
[18:38] <nixternal> to much groping
[18:38]  * brousch has no idea what ribbons are for
[18:38] <Wolfger> Yeah, nix couldn't remember who the father was
[18:38] <nixternal> they are to let others know you like kindy stuff, so if you find a ribbon with anything blacked out on it, don't put it on your badge
[18:38] <nixternal> s/kindy/kinky/
[18:39] <nixternal> looks like there are no races that weekend. might have to see if someone here wants to road trip
[18:39] <Wolfger> brousch: at cons, ribbons are passed out by various people for various reasons. Somebody came up with the idea of having a hook-up ribbon where you can black out certain letters printed on the ribbon, and what's not blacked out indicates your "preferences"
[18:40] <Wolfger> so, yeah, finding one pre-blacked-out on the floor and putting it on not knowing the code.... not so great :-)
[18:41] <brousch> so nixternal is upset because he left yiffing and kiltflashing open?
[18:45] <snap-l> brousch: Let's just say the label didn't match the contents. ;)
[18:53] <Wolfger> snap-l: inherent I/O conflict
[18:54] <snap-l> too much input. ;)
[18:57] <Wolfger> I've said it before, I'll say it again: Why would anybody drive a car whose initials are "Killed In Action"? http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/20/news/companies/kia_recall/index.htm?source=cnn_bin
[19:02] <snap-l> folks who drive Found On Road Dead, or Fix It Again, Tony
[19:02] <Wolfger> I want to scream when I see *professional* writers make stupid mistakes which *professional* editors fail to catch.
[19:04] <Wolfger> Some athlete said this weekend's game is going to be a "blood bath". The writer said "right sentiment, wrong adjective. It's going to be a mud bath."
[19:04] <Wolfger> .... blood and mud are not adjectives!!!!
[19:05] <Wolfger> How can you *write* *for* *a* *living* and not know that?
[19:07] <snap-l> Welcome to the state of public education
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[19:07] <snap-l> My mom (who was an english teacher) complains bitterly that they stopped teaching grammar in school
[19:08] <Wolfger> Did they seriously, or is she being facetious in light of the results?
[19:08] <snap-l> Actually, wouldn't blood and mud be an adjective in that case?
[19:08] <snap-l> since it describes the type of bath
[19:09] <Wolfger> bloody and muddy would be
[19:09] <snap-l> Wolfger: No, they did
[19:09] <snap-l> I think you could ask any 20-something about grammar, and they'd wonder if you were talking about Fraiser.
[19:09]  * Wolfger weeps for the state of American education
[19:09] <snap-l> (late 20 somethings. ;) )
[19:10] <Wolfger> Yeah. Young 20-something would have no idea who Fraiser is
[19:10] <Wolfger> or grammar, or Grammar
[19:11] <snap-l> What's sick is they have no shared experience of syndicated TV either
[19:11] <snap-l> where you watched M*A*S*H because it's what was on late night when you were studying. ;)
[19:12] <Wolfger> studying? What's that? ;-)
[19:12] <Wolfger> it wasn't on late, it was on at 7, and it's scary that I remember what time it was on
[19:32] <snap-l> ;)
[19:34] <snap-l> Learning Perl got an updated printing
[19:34] <snap-l> just got a note from O'Reilly to download the update
[19:37] <brousch> calm down d00d
[19:38] <brousch> sorry, that was for Wolfger in the scrollback
[23:36] <greg-g> is in Dallas, TX
[23:39] <rick_h_droid> sorry greg-g
[23:40] <greg-g> haha, yeah
[23:40] <greg-g> though, it is 77 today :)
[23:40] <greg-g> but I have to taxi everywhere. my hotel is way too far from the convention center, and they don't have a shuttle
[23:41] <rick_h_droid> ouch
[23:41] <greg-g> luckily, someone else is paying
[23:41] <rick_h_droid> what event is this for?
[23:41] <rick_h_droid> something fun?
[23:41] <greg-g> http://www.arl.org/sparc/media/12-0110.shtml
[23:41] <greg-g> ALA Midwinter Conference
[23:41] <greg-g> I'm speaking on a panel
[23:42] <rick_h_droid> ah awesome
[23:42] <greg-g> oo, interesting, a BP commercial about what they're doing in the Gulf after their ef up
[23:43] <greg-g> "Still Working. Still Committed" heh
[23:43] <greg-g> sorry, the culture diff is awesome down here. And to think, I lived in Nederland, TX when I was 2 - 10 years old
[23:46] <rick_h_droid> heh I was right across the TX border from 6-16
[23:46] <rick_h_droid> not a big gan
[23:46] <rick_h_droid> but yea, nothing like traveling around to show how different one country of people can be
[23:47] <rick_h_droid> . /gan/fan
[23:48] <greg-g> yeah, fun stuff. I love it, really.
[23:49] <greg-g> as much as I think things would be so much better if they were done my way, it is great to see how much people love being the way they are.
[23:49] <rick_h_droid> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Techcrunch/~3/EWeKL6ZSmB4/
[23:49] <rick_h_droid> I know some of you guys tinkered with dreamhost
[23:49] <rick_h_droid> yea I really want to travel more.
[23:50] <greg-g> yeah, luckily it was a throw away password
[23:50] <rick_h_droid> cool