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harrishello00:07
metasansanahow do I edit what users how up on the login in screen? 11.1000:11
holsteinmetasansana: i just see them all... i would remove users you dont want to see00:11
metasansanaholstein: how do i do that? I just want to remove a particular user account00:12
holsteinyou can do it in the gui.. or sudo deluser00:12
metasansanajust at the initial log in screen00:13
metasansanai need the account00:13
TVasEyesnot adding to /etc/lightdm/users.conf ?00:13
metasansanaits just to do an cron job00:13
TVasEyesmetasansana: add user to ^^ hidden-users00:14
metasansanawicked00:14
metasansanathanks guys00:14
TVasEyes;)00:14
metasansana+1 xubuntu00:15
harrisis xubuntu basically the same as ubuntu?00:25
GridCubepretty much, except is not00:26
GridCube:P because it doesnt use gnome/unity and uses the xfce desktop00:26
metasansanaharris: it starts up blazing fast on an ssd00:27
harriswhats ssd?00:27
metasansanasolid state drive00:27
harrisoh u mean bootable00:28
harristhe fastest u ever seen?00:28
metasansanano replacement for hard drives00:28
metasansanayup00:28
harrishmm00:29
harrisi hav 3 choices, ubuntu, xubuntu, or mint00:29
harrisim not sure which one to get00:29
metasansanaspend less time waiting on unity or gnome to be ready00:29
metasansanaim using xubuntu for a development box00:29
metasansanaubuntu to show off on my laptop00:30
metasansanaI never tried mint00:30
harrishttp://distrowatch.com00:31
harrisi never tried mint either00:31
harrisbut i see it on distrowatch00:31
GridCubeharris, if you want superduper velocity with the *buntu universe to back up, then probably lubuntu its the best option00:32
harrishmm lubuntu looks good00:33
metasansanawhats the default desktop on lubuntu?00:34
GridCubelxde00:34
GridCubehttp://distrowatch.com/?newsid=0693600:34
metasansanacool00:35
GridCubexubuntu isnt exactly "ligh weight" anymore, since like years ago, its ligthier than ubuntu and kubuntu, yes, but not light light00:37
GridCubedon't know if im making myself clear :P00:37
harrisnow when we say light weight00:37
harrishow big is the difference00:37
harrisis it a  matter of waiting minutes for waiting the comptuer to turn on?00:38
holsteinharris: its more in use00:39
holsteinthought the boot might be faster as well00:39
GridCubemy computer using xubuntu usually takes like 30 seconds to boot till desktop icons and stuff00:41
GridCubenever tried with other OS :P00:41
harrisfast00:42
harriswhat about mint, why is mint number one on distrowatch00:42
harrisi never used mint00:42
holsteinbecuase more folks have downloaded it via DW00:43
GridCubethat, and because it has restricted extras pre installed00:44
holsteinwell, thats why its # one at DW... also ubuntu is devided.. theres not xmint for example, thought there are mint versions with xfce00:45
holsteinharris: they are both live, check them both out and see for yourself00:45
metasansanaso xubuntu used to be a lot lighter huh?00:47
metasansanaits working for me now though00:47
metasansanaill have to try lubuntu on this ssd of mine00:48
GridCube:) it should, but now you have more options, and more integration with other software and stuff :P00:48
harrisi wonder, ubuntu is slow to start from bootable CD00:49
harrisdoes that mean it will boot up slowly if i install it on the computer?00:49
metasansanaharris: not necessarily00:49
harrisso i can expect it tobe much much faster after install?00:49
GridCubeprobably00:49
harrisits tooo slow right now from cd00:49
metasansanain my experience yes00:49
metasansanaif there is some kind of hardware failure or something that could hinder boot up00:50
harrismy laptop has 512 mb ram00:50
harrisis that good enough for ubuntu?00:50
metasansanait will work00:50
GridCube!requirements00:51
ubottuHardware requirements to install, boot and comfortably use Xubuntu are listed at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingXubuntu00:51
metasansanacool00:51
harrishttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements00:51
harrisbut this says ubuntu needs 1 g00:51
GridCubeoh, that Ubuntu00:52
GridCubenot X00:52
harrisso maybe ubuntu will not be good for my laptop?00:52
GridCubei don't know about that, with unity and all00:52
GridCubei wont go for it, no00:52
metasansanalooks like you should stick with the light desktops00:52
GridCubeharris, i think you will be happier with lubuntu00:52
harris" A good "rule of thumb" is that machines that could run XP, Vista,  Windows 7 or x86 OS X will almost always be a lot faster with Ubuntu  even if they are lower-spec than described below.  Simply try Ubuntu CD  as a LiveCD first to check the hardware works. "00:53
harrisare there limitations with lubuntu00:53
metasansanaif you have the patience you could do a server install and just install the gui and apps you need00:53
metasansanait takes time though00:53
harrisim gonna get lubuntu!00:57
Unit193Xubuntu is easier to configure, but Lubuntu is lightweight00:58
harrisconfigure meaning?00:59
Unit193Keyboard shortcuts, etc, etc.01:00
metasansanais there a way to drag windows from one screen to another?01:03
GridCubedrag it?01:04
metasansanaI have two nvidia graphic sets and its been xubnutu outputs to seperate x screens01:04
GridCubeoooo01:04
GridCubethats different, those are 2 different x servers01:04
metasansanai tried arandr and it just crashes01:05
GridCubemetasansana, http://askubuntu.com/questions/74509/how-to-drag-windows-between-2-x-servers01:06
metasansanaGridCube: twinview isnt't selectable01:09
metasansanaim going to try xpra01:10
metasansananot quite it :(01:13
GridCubewell i don't know01:15
GridCube:(01:15
GridCubehow do you move your mouse to the other monitor?01:15
harrisif i get an .iso from linux website, should i be able to boot into a computer with the iso on cd? or it needs to be bootable version?01:15
harrisi got an .iso linux 11.10 and put it on cd, buy laptop wont boot from it, it just goes directly to windows01:16
metasansanayou have to burn the iso to cd01:16
harrisi is on cd now01:16
harrisi have an older ubuntu iso on cd that boots normally01:16
metasansanano with a tool like imgburn or something01:16
metasansananot store it01:16
harrisbut i just got the 11.10 ubuntu to try same thing01:16
harrisu mean, like magic disc01:16
harrisburn the iso on my laptop, then boot into it?01:17
GridCubeharris, you have to burn the image, not just copy the iso file inside a cd01:17
metasansanaGridCube: the mouse works fine but the X servers are all seperate01:17
harrisyes u mean actually put the data on the cd01:18
harrisright?01:18
harrislike burn the iso to the cd01:18
GridCubeharris, most cd burng applications had a "burn iso image" option01:18
GridCubeit will take the iso file and convert it in proper files and directories01:18
harrisso i just wasted a cd?01:18
metasansanayup01:18
harrisi put the iso on cd ith ashampoo01:18
harriswith ashampoo01:18
metasansanatry imgburn its way straight forward01:19
GridCubeyou can also take a pendrive and use unetbootin and create a booteable pendrive :P01:19
GridCubeno need to expend cds :D01:19
metasansanaGridCube: there is a way to do that with cat right?01:19
GridCubeno idea01:19
metasansanaI did it once but I cant seem to do it again01:20
harrisim trying agaibn01:21
harrisanybody want a used cd01:21
harrisit has an .iso01:22
harrisbut its not really an iso apparently01:22
harrisits just an .iso sitting on there01:22
GridCubejajaja01:22
metasansanaharris: will you pay shipping? :)01:22
harrisif i click my computer01:23
harrisi can see it now01:23
harrisit says "ubuntu11.iso"01:23
harristhats not what i want it to say??01:23
GridCubenope01:23
harrisit should say what then01:23
GridCubeit should have like 4 or 5 folders labeled like "linux" "boot" or stuff like that01:24
harrisoh01:24
harrisactually01:24
harrisits not even an iso!01:24
metasansanayeah the install stuff01:24
harrisits a .rar!?!?01:24
harrishow did that happen01:24
GridCubeO_o01:24
metasansanalulz01:24
GridCubeno idea01:24
metasansanaits one of those multiple rar files?01:24
harrisno, its just one rar01:25
harrissomehow, the burning program made it from an .iso to a .rar01:25
GridCubeharris, use something like this http://alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm01:25
GridCubeor this http://www.freeisoburner.com/01:25
harrishow can i explore the data on cd01:27
harrisi made a new one i just want to see whats on it01:27
harriswith windows 7, but it only allows me "install option"01:27
harrislooks like this new cd should wokr01:27
metasansanaright click on it and click open in new window or explore or whatever01:28
harrisfile system: CDFS01:28
harrisok i see it now01:28
metasansanayou got a pretty fast burner there01:29
harrisyes01:30
harrisbut i dont get it now, i made the cd properly,01:30
harrisbut my laptop wont boot into it this time01:30
harrisit went to windows again01:31
metasansanayou have to configure your bios01:31
metasansanamake the cd drive the first boot device01:31
harriswell, i have a stack of linux distros next to me01:31
harrisand if i put any of them in the laptop, it boots right into it01:31
harriswhy is this one not working like the other cds i have?01:31
harrisi dont have to do bios for the others01:32
metasansanaok01:34
metasansanathen something is wrong with the cd01:34
metasansanatry burning it with http://www.imgburn.com/01:34
metasansanathe cd is probably not bootable or something01:35
harrisu mean the thing i downloaded doesnt support bootable?01:35
metasansana?01:35
metasansanawhen you burn an iso image the software marks the cd as bootable01:36
harrisi see01:36
harrisis there anyway to verify this is how it is marked01:37
metasansanaim only familliar with imburn on windows01:37
harrisfrom exploring it in the  folders01:37
metasansanafrom the disk management snap in i think01:40
metasansanayou get that in the control panel somewhere01:41
metasansanaadministrative settings01:41
harrishmm01:42
metasansanai dont have a windows machine near me sorry01:43
harriswhat linux you use?01:46
TVasEyesharris: alternatively, you could boot with a live cd, mount your windoze partition where iso is, the nuse xfburn or somesuch to complete.01:47
metasansanaharris: generally debian based01:48
metasansanayou could do that harris01:49
GridCube!iso01:51
ubottuTo mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.01:51
GridCube!burning01:51
ubottuCD/DVD burning software: k3b (KDE), brasero (GNOME), gnomebaker, xcdroast, wodim (command-line) | To burn ISO files, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto01:51
harrisok i did more investigating02:06
harrismy new cds will burn properly on my other computer02:06
harrisbut, on my cheap laptop, they will not work anymore02:07
harristhe cheap laptop used to boot from cd just a few days ago02:07
harrisbut now it wont boot into anything02:07
harrishowver, the cds are good because they are booting properly from other computers02:07
TVasEyesharris: if your bios is modern enough, you should be able to boot from USB.02:11
metasansanaharris: whats the model?02:12
GridCubeharris, try burning the cd in the lowest speed posible02:48
GridCubeor use unetbootin and create a booteable pendrive :P02:48
harrisits a toshiba satellite03:04
harrisbut im sure nothings wrong with the cd,03:04
harristhe computer is now suddenly misbehaving03:04
harrisit had a virus03:04
harrisi got it removed03:04
harrisbut i think its still infected03:04
harrisso im gonna format it and reinstall03:04
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raevolhi all, i have a conky startup script that looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/810391/ so that the background behind my conky looks right. i'd like to replace the hard path to the image with an environment variable or similar that is set by xfce, so that when i change my desktop, this script doesn't need to be edited. any ideas?05:41
raevolrunning xubuntu 11.1005:42
carbon_kidAnyone available in here? *looks around*08:23
_Pete_Total of 84 nicks , no08:24
carbon_kidWell darn.. (o.O)08:24
Marzatalots of nicks eh ...09:08
Fudgemust not be11:59
skritehey all15:00
aidrocsidHello, something is overriding my desktop settings and I don't know what it is. I have  XFCEMenu>Settings>Desktop set up to display minimized windows and to show an application menu on right-click, but it's showing the contents of the folder and a simpler right-click menu with no applications menu or shortcuts. This just happened when I last reset with the latest updates, and now a background that I set through chrome, but which d15:41
Myrttiyou got cut off at ", but which d"15:41
aidrocsidi'll pastebin15:41
aidrocsidMy question: http://pastebin.com/yDSbt0M315:42
aidrocsidAlso, I can change the background under some menu called "system settings" that I can only get to through clicking the desktop and clicking "change desktop background". It's not the same as my settings manager15:45
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lotteich nutze xubuntu 11.10 und versuche umts-stick Huawei E1750 ins laufen zu bekommen lsusb: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 12d1:1446 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E1552 (HSPA modem)16:12
epod!de16:12
ubottuIn den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis!16:12
lotteusb modeswitch+data ist defaultmäßig da16:13
lotteah sorry16:13
epodno worries :)16:13
aidrocsidI made a slide show can you guys help me http://imgur.com/a/Imus8#016:31
aidrocsidvisual representation of my problem :(16:31
epodI wish I knew the answer, just because of the effort you put into showing your issue :(16:34
epodit LOOKS like you have the gnome3 system settings menu coming up for some reason16:34
aidrocsidhmmm16:47
aidrocsidmaybe it's because I enabled gnome plugins?16:47
aidrocsidshould I disable them?16:47
aidrocsidor hell16:48
aidrocsidi could just uninstall gnome3 right?16:48
aidrocsidi started out with the standard unity install but it was terrible so i went back to xfce16:48
mongytry xfwm4 --replace16:52
aidrocsidlol i think i have it16:53
aidrocsidi had gnome services running16:53
aidrocsiddumb16:53
mongyaidrocsid, I just had gnome services on startup and it never did that.16:54
mongyodd16:54
aidrocsidthank you16:54
aidrocsidepod16:54
epodaidrocsid: no worries16:54
aidrocsidoh i guess that wasn't it16:55
aidrocsidtried that command16:56
aidrocsiddidn't seem to do it16:56
aidrocsidoh maybe it's doing something though, the terminal window is just kind of sitting there16:56
aidrocsidyeah, mongy, no luck with  that one17:01
mongyI uninstall most of the gnome stuff thats not really needed, has no ill effects17:06
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greybot_Hello17:59
greybot_I need some help17:59
greybot_with xubuntu17:59
greybot_I turned on my laptop this morning and it goes to grub rescue command prompt :(17:59
greybot_and says something like hd0 no disk before18:00
greybot_any help?18:00
mvandruffgood mornming, when you choose to print to file on xubuntu what is the file type it outputs18:20
skritehey all, how do you pronounce xubuntu ?18:25
Sysiksubuntu or zoobuntu18:26
baizonX Ubuntu :)18:26
skriteSysi: thanks !18:26
skritebaizon: now that is what i have been calling it, then thought the x might be  a z sound18:27
spaceneedleFollowing an update and reboot, the top and bottom bar are gone. How do I get the top one back?19:53
Unit193!panels19:54
ubottuDid your panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/19:54
spaceneedleI'll give it a try. Thanks.19:55
jadoehow do i change me default shell? directly edit /etc/passwd?20:08
TheSheepjadoe: that's one way20:09
TheSheepjadoe: you can also specify it when creating a new user20:09
jadoekk, thx20:10
Myrttior chsh20:11
Unit193Dang, was about to say that :/20:11
Marzataany distro better than xubu?20:14
baizonnot for me :)20:14
Sysidepends what you need/want20:15
Sysisome prefer gentoo, I prefer xubuntu20:15
mongyjust done an update and got an update to kernel, and got this error while it was configuring. it finished though.  http://pastebin.com/4CkgYxib20:17
Marzatagentoobuntu?20:17
Sysigentoo gnu/linux20:18
Sysione of the maany available distributions20:18
Marzatacompile your pc?20:18
Sysimongy: do you have proprietary drivers in use?20:19
mongyyeah, fglrx and bcmwl20:19
Sysiokay, those may just broke20:20
mongyguess I'll remove the new kernel then.20:20
SysiI'd try booting to it first, if it fails, use old one20:21
mongybut a depmod/dkms error means it hasnt  built the module for the kernel?20:22
mongyI'll reboot.  brb20:22
SysiI really wish he didn't see X for the last time on his installation20:24
mongyworks.  odd20:26
metanolHello there! I just installed the daily updates on my xubuntu 11.10 (hosted in virtualbox) and after that I cannot change resolution any higher than 1024x768 (formerly 1920x1200). I tried to reinstall Vbox guest additions but that didnt help. Could someone please give me hints about resolving this issue?20:28
SilentHello20:34
mongymetanol, new kernel I guess?20:34
SilentDoes Xubuntu support installing to a USB flash drive as a live medium?20:34
SysiSilent: with unetbootin or usb-creator, yes20:35
SilentI see.20:35
SilentIsn't there an installer for that?20:35
Sysiif you wan't real installation to usb stick, you need to unplug HDD:s or disable them in BIOS20:36
SilentI want a live installation on a USB drive20:36
SilentTo run from RAM, and preserve changes,20:37
Sysiusb-creator works for that, unetbootin with some tricks maybe does too20:38
Sysisomething similar probably also works, basically anything that works for "regular" ubuntu20:38
SilentThat's good.20:39
metanolmongy Thanks for the advice, I'm gonna research then, how I can do that.20:40
SilentThe site said something about an alternate image20:40
SilentWhat's the difference?20:40
mongymetanol, I meant, did the update pull down a new kernel.20:40
mongySysi, so this update is ok even with the error?20:41
SysiSilent: alternate image can just run text-based installer, not live system20:41
Sysimongy: apparently20:41
SilentOh20:41
SysiSilent: alternate images used to work badly from usb, not sure how well they do now20:42
SilentAlright.20:42
SilentAlso, the site claims that I need at least 4.4GB of space for a standard install20:42
mongyalternate image boots and installs ok from usb with grub220:42
SilentIs that also true for live installs?20:42
metanolmongy, I just checked todays update history and there are several updates named like linux-headers-generic 3.xxx.I think those are related to kernel es.20:43
metanolyes*20:43
SilentNote that I'm not going to insta  from the USB but *to* the USB20:43
mongymetanol, yup20:43
metanolmongy, do you know a way to revert those changes?20:43
SysiSilent: 1GB stick is enough for live-usb20:44
SilentThat's very good.20:44
mongymetanol, do you get an error compiling guest additions?20:44
metanolNope, it reinstalls withouth errors.20:44
Sysilive images are not made for daily use, not to mention how slow system from usb is20:45
mongymetanol, do you use the additions from within the program or do you use what is provided in hardware drivers20:45
metanolI only use the additions shipped with VirtualBox, the one which gets mounted automatically.20:46
metanolNo other drivers installed at all.20:46
SilentThat's exactly what I'm afraid of20:46
mongymetanol, I have found lately that the ones available in ubuntu/hardware drivers work better20:47
SilentMaybe you can sugget a flavor that does have that benefit, then?20:47
mongyI have had a few problems with them working as far as mouse integration but failing to give me the resolution I need20:47
SilentI know Puppy does, but I don't like it too much20:47
SilentSlax does too, but I'm looking for something Deb-based.20:47
mongyI dunno, my usb stick runs live images pretty speedy.... I dont save anything though20:48
Sysiwhy not real installation20:49
SilentBecause that's bad for the USB stick.20:49
SilentToo many writes.20:49
Sysiwhy not hdd/ssd20:52
metanolmongy, Should I install one called like this: "NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library" (I have an Nvidia VGA of course.)?20:52
mongymetanol,  not in a virtualbox guest no.20:53
mongymetanol, how did that even get in there ?20:53
metanolmongy, I'm just browsing ubuntu software center and searched for "nvidia video driver". Not sure where to find "the ones available in ubuntu/hardware drivers"20:54
mongymetanol,  no, in the guest. install it inside the guest.20:55
mongysettings > additional drivers20:55
mongyremove the old ones first, I guess.20:55
metanolOhh, i got it now! I ll give it a try.20:56
mongythe ones you were using mount the iso inside the guest and install into the guest..20:57
metanolTheres functionality there to deactivate the drivers, but i cant see any other to choose, apart from the vbox addition drivers.21:05
mongyhave to uninstall with the script used to install21:08
mongymount the driver disc again, dont run it.  in terminal goto the mount point, something like /media/VBoxsomething then sudo ./VBoxLinuxAdditions uninstall21:09
metanolOkay, im going to do that now thanks!21:09
mongybe a man and dual boot :)21:11
metanolmongy, Thanks a lot, now its okay! I tried dual boot but i prefer if my machine can carried easily (like from my home pc to a laptop or something), even if its much worse in performance this kind of stability worth a lot to me. :)21:16
metanolAnd if i were a little bit cleverer i would took a snapshot before doing kernel updates and then just "revert" the changes that messed up anything.21:17
metanolAgain, thanks a lot for helping me out, I'm still a beginner in the topic.21:17
mongymetanol, press shift before it starts to boot to get boot menu and you can boot the older kernel.21:18
mongybut, if it works now, fine21:19
metanolYeah its fine, but thats another bit of information that can be useful later. :)21:20
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Mikael___Hello, I'm running Xubuntu 11.10 with XFCE 4.8. When changing settings in the XFCE4 power manager, it does not save them. Any ideas? I can't tick off the box to spin down harddrives.22:10
Mikael___The box is "tickable" but it does not save. Nor do my other settings.22:12
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theoN^ok so I've been struggling with this for the last couple of days and I still haven't managed to get it setup properly: I am trying to get my dualscreen setup sorted so I can drag windows from the left screen to the right one and the other way (like windows' extended desktop). I have been reading a lot and apparently a lot of people are finding it hard to find a decent fix. It seems as if Xinerama is the way to go but when I open my Catalyst control center (23:04
theoN^yes, I have an ATI graphics card) I cannot enable it, it says "You currently only have one desktop enabled. Configuring more than one desktop in the Display Manager will allow you to configure Xinerama.". Now my question is: how in the bloody hell am I supposed to configure this second desktop? I am clearly already using two screens (it just duplicates right now), my ATI detects it, my display manager sees 2 screens connected but how do I create another "de23:04
theoN^sktop" then?? Please help me out, I am getting very desperate now :(23:04
jcfptheoN^: cannot really help you with your setup, but do realise there's a difference between a graphics driver (probably by default) duplicating a screen on the second monitor, and having two displays configured in X.org.23:10
jcfpThe latter used to be done in /etc/X11/xorg.conf23:11
theoN^jcfp, I do realise that. I have tried the Catalyst control center approach, that does nothing23:12
theoN^I have tried multiple xorg.conf setups, that fucks up my RandR for some reason23:12
theoN^it never works as it should ...23:12
theoN^well, relogging again23:14

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