[00:07] <harris> hello
[00:11] <metasansana> how do I edit what users how up on the login in screen? 11.10
[00:11] <holstein> metasansana: i just see them all... i would remove users you dont want to see
[00:12] <metasansana> holstein: how do i do that? I just want to remove a particular user account
[00:12] <holstein> you can do it in the gui.. or sudo deluser
[00:13] <metasansana> just at the initial log in screen
[00:13] <metasansana> i need the account
[00:13] <TVasEyes> not adding to /etc/lightdm/users.conf ?
[00:13] <metasansana> its just to do an cron job
[00:14] <TVasEyes> metasansana: add user to ^^ hidden-users
[00:14] <metasansana> wicked
[00:14] <metasansana> thanks guys
[00:14] <TVasEyes> ;)
[00:15] <metasansana> +1 xubuntu
[00:25] <harris> is xubuntu basically the same as ubuntu?
[00:26] <GridCube> pretty much, except is not
[00:26] <GridCube> :P because it doesnt use gnome/unity and uses the xfce desktop
[00:27] <metasansana> harris: it starts up blazing fast on an ssd
[00:27] <harris> whats ssd?
[00:27] <metasansana> solid state drive
[00:28] <harris> oh u mean bootable
[00:28] <harris> the fastest u ever seen?
[00:28] <metasansana> no replacement for hard drives
[00:28] <metasansana> yup
[00:29] <harris> hmm
[00:29] <harris> i hav 3 choices, ubuntu, xubuntu, or mint
[00:29] <harris> im not sure which one to get
[00:29] <metasansana> spend less time waiting on unity or gnome to be ready
[00:29] <metasansana> im using xubuntu for a development box
[00:30] <metasansana> ubuntu to show off on my laptop
[00:30] <metasansana> I never tried mint
[00:31] <harris> http://distrowatch.com
[00:31] <harris> i never tried mint either
[00:31] <harris> but i see it on distrowatch
[00:32] <GridCube> harris, if you want superduper velocity with the *buntu universe to back up, then probably lubuntu its the best option
[00:33] <harris> hmm lubuntu looks good
[00:34] <metasansana> whats the default desktop on lubuntu?
[00:34] <GridCube> lxde
[00:34] <GridCube> http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=06936
[00:35] <metasansana> cool
[00:37] <GridCube> xubuntu isnt exactly "ligh weight" anymore, since like years ago, its ligthier than ubuntu and kubuntu, yes, but not light light
[00:37] <GridCube> don't know if im making myself clear :P
[00:37] <harris> now when we say light weight
[00:37] <harris> how big is the difference
[00:38] <harris> is it a  matter of waiting minutes for waiting the comptuer to turn on?
[00:39] <holstein> harris: its more in use
[00:39] <holstein> thought the boot might be faster as well
[00:41] <GridCube> my computer using xubuntu usually takes like 30 seconds to boot till desktop icons and stuff
[00:41] <GridCube> never tried with other OS :P
[00:42] <harris> fast
[00:42] <harris> what about mint, why is mint number one on distrowatch
[00:42] <harris> i never used mint
[00:43] <holstein> becuase more folks have downloaded it via DW
[00:44] <GridCube> that, and because it has restricted extras pre installed
[00:45] <holstein> well, thats why its # one at DW... also ubuntu is devided.. theres not xmint for example, thought there are mint versions with xfce
[00:45] <holstein> harris: they are both live, check them both out and see for yourself
[00:47] <metasansana> so xubuntu used to be a lot lighter huh?
[00:47] <metasansana> its working for me now though
[00:48] <metasansana> ill have to try lubuntu on this ssd of mine
[00:48] <GridCube> :) it should, but now you have more options, and more integration with other software and stuff :P
[00:49] <harris> i wonder, ubuntu is slow to start from bootable CD
[00:49] <harris> does that mean it will boot up slowly if i install it on the computer?
[00:49] <metasansana> harris: not necessarily
[00:49] <harris> so i can expect it tobe much much faster after install?
[00:49] <GridCube> probably
[00:49] <harris> its tooo slow right now from cd
[00:49] <metasansana> in my experience yes
[00:50] <metasansana> if there is some kind of hardware failure or something that could hinder boot up
[00:50] <harris> my laptop has 512 mb ram
[00:50] <harris> is that good enough for ubuntu?
[00:50] <metasansana> it will work
[00:51] <GridCube> !requirements
[00:51] <metasansana> cool
[00:51] <harris> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[00:51] <harris> but this says ubuntu needs 1 g
[00:52] <GridCube> oh, that Ubuntu
[00:52] <GridCube> not X
[00:52] <harris> so maybe ubuntu will not be good for my laptop?
[00:52] <GridCube> i don't know about that, with unity and all
[00:52] <GridCube> i wont go for it, no
[00:52] <metasansana> looks like you should stick with the light desktops
[00:52] <GridCube> harris, i think you will be happier with lubuntu
[00:53] <harris> " A good "rule of thumb" is that machines that could run XP, Vista,  Windows 7 or x86 OS X will almost always be a lot faster with Ubuntu  even if they are lower-spec than described below.  Simply try Ubuntu CD  as a LiveCD first to check the hardware works. "
[00:53] <harris> are there limitations with lubuntu
[00:53] <metasansana> if you have the patience you could do a server install and just install the gui and apps you need
[00:53] <metasansana> it takes time though
[00:57] <harris> im gonna get lubuntu!
[00:58] <Unit193> Xubuntu is easier to configure, but Lubuntu is lightweight
[00:59] <harris> configure meaning?
[01:00] <Unit193> Keyboard shortcuts, etc, etc.
[01:03] <metasansana> is there a way to drag windows from one screen to another?
[01:04] <GridCube> drag it?
[01:04] <metasansana> I have two nvidia graphic sets and its been xubnutu outputs to seperate x screens
[01:04] <GridCube> oooo
[01:04] <GridCube> thats different, those are 2 different x servers
[01:05] <metasansana> i tried arandr and it just crashes
[01:06] <GridCube> metasansana, http://askubuntu.com/questions/74509/how-to-drag-windows-between-2-x-servers
[01:09] <metasansana> GridCube: twinview isnt't selectable
[01:10] <metasansana> im going to try xpra
[01:13] <metasansana> not quite it :(
[01:15] <GridCube> well i don't know
[01:15] <GridCube> :(
[01:15] <GridCube> how do you move your mouse to the other monitor?
[01:15] <harris> if i get an .iso from linux website, should i be able to boot into a computer with the iso on cd? or it needs to be bootable version?
[01:16] <harris> i got an .iso linux 11.10 and put it on cd, buy laptop wont boot from it, it just goes directly to windows
[01:16] <metasansana> you have to burn the iso to cd
[01:16] <harris> i is on cd now
[01:16] <harris> i have an older ubuntu iso on cd that boots normally
[01:16] <metasansana> no with a tool like imgburn or something
[01:16] <metasansana> not store it
[01:16] <harris> but i just got the 11.10 ubuntu to try same thing
[01:16] <harris> u mean, like magic disc
[01:17] <harris> burn the iso on my laptop, then boot into it?
[01:17] <GridCube> harris, you have to burn the image, not just copy the iso file inside a cd
[01:17] <metasansana> GridCube: the mouse works fine but the X servers are all seperate
[01:18] <harris> yes u mean actually put the data on the cd
[01:18] <harris> right?
[01:18] <harris> like burn the iso to the cd
[01:18] <GridCube> harris, most cd burng applications had a "burn iso image" option
[01:18] <GridCube> it will take the iso file and convert it in proper files and directories
[01:18] <harris> so i just wasted a cd?
[01:18] <metasansana> yup
[01:18] <harris> i put the iso on cd ith ashampoo
[01:18] <harris> with ashampoo
[01:19] <metasansana> try imgburn its way straight forward
[01:19] <GridCube> you can also take a pendrive and use unetbootin and create a booteable pendrive :P
[01:19] <GridCube> no need to expend cds :D
[01:19] <metasansana> GridCube: there is a way to do that with cat right?
[01:19] <GridCube> no idea
[01:20] <metasansana> I did it once but I cant seem to do it again
[01:21] <harris> im trying agaibn
[01:21] <harris> anybody want a used cd
[01:22] <harris> it has an .iso
[01:22] <harris> but its not really an iso apparently
[01:22] <harris> its just an .iso sitting on there
[01:22] <GridCube> jajaja
[01:22] <metasansana> harris: will you pay shipping? :)
[01:23] <harris> if i click my computer
[01:23] <harris> i can see it now
[01:23] <harris> it says "ubuntu11.iso"
[01:23] <harris> thats not what i want it to say??
[01:23] <GridCube> nope
[01:23] <harris> it should say what then
[01:24] <GridCube> it should have like 4 or 5 folders labeled like "linux" "boot" or stuff like that
[01:24] <harris> oh
[01:24] <harris> actually
[01:24] <harris> its not even an iso!
[01:24] <metasansana> yeah the install stuff
[01:24] <harris> its a .rar!?!?
[01:24] <harris> how did that happen
[01:24] <GridCube> O_o
[01:24] <metasansana> lulz
[01:24] <GridCube> no idea
[01:24] <metasansana> its one of those multiple rar files?
[01:25] <harris> no, its just one rar
[01:25] <harris> somehow, the burning program made it from an .iso to a .rar
[01:25] <GridCube> harris, use something like this http://alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm
[01:25] <GridCube> or this http://www.freeisoburner.com/
[01:27] <harris> how can i explore the data on cd
[01:27] <harris> i made a new one i just want to see whats on it
[01:27] <harris> with windows 7, but it only allows me "install option"
[01:27] <harris> looks like this new cd should wokr
[01:28] <metasansana> right click on it and click open in new window or explore or whatever
[01:28] <harris> file system: CDFS
[01:28] <harris> ok i see it now
[01:29] <metasansana> you got a pretty fast burner there
[01:30] <harris> yes
[01:30] <harris> but i dont get it now, i made the cd properly,
[01:30] <harris> but my laptop wont boot into it this time
[01:31] <harris> it went to windows again
[01:31] <metasansana> you have to configure your bios
[01:31] <metasansana> make the cd drive the first boot device
[01:31] <harris> well, i have a stack of linux distros next to me
[01:31] <harris> and if i put any of them in the laptop, it boots right into it
[01:31] <harris> why is this one not working like the other cds i have?
[01:32] <harris> i dont have to do bios for the others
[01:34] <metasansana> ok
[01:34] <metasansana> then something is wrong with the cd
[01:34] <metasansana> try burning it with http://www.imgburn.com/
[01:35] <metasansana> the cd is probably not bootable or something
[01:35] <harris> u mean the thing i downloaded doesnt support bootable?
[01:35] <metasansana> ?
[01:36] <metasansana> when you burn an iso image the software marks the cd as bootable
[01:36] <harris> i see
[01:37] <harris> is there anyway to verify this is how it is marked
[01:37] <metasansana> im only familliar with imburn on windows
[01:37] <harris> from exploring it in the  folders
[01:40] <metasansana> from the disk management snap in i think
[01:41] <metasansana> you get that in the control panel somewhere
[01:41] <metasansana> administrative settings
[01:42] <harris> hmm
[01:43] <metasansana> i dont have a windows machine near me sorry
[01:46] <harris> what linux you use?
[01:47] <TVasEyes> harris: alternatively, you could boot with a live cd, mount your windoze partition where iso is, the nuse xfburn or somesuch to complete.
[01:48] <metasansana> harris: generally debian based
[01:49] <metasansana> you could do that harris
[01:51] <GridCube> !iso
[01:51] <GridCube> !burning
[02:06] <harris> ok i did more investigating
[02:06] <harris> my new cds will burn properly on my other computer
[02:07] <harris> but, on my cheap laptop, they will not work anymore
[02:07] <harris> the cheap laptop used to boot from cd just a few days ago
[02:07] <harris> but now it wont boot into anything
[02:07] <harris> howver, the cds are good because they are booting properly from other computers
[02:11] <TVasEyes> harris: if your bios is modern enough, you should be able to boot from USB.
[02:12] <metasansana> harris: whats the model?
[02:48] <GridCube> harris, try burning the cd in the lowest speed posible
[02:48] <GridCube> or use unetbootin and create a booteable pendrive :P
[03:04] <harris> its a toshiba satellite
[03:04] <harris> but im sure nothings wrong with the cd,
[03:04] <harris> the computer is now suddenly misbehaving
[03:04] <harris> it had a virus
[03:04] <harris> i got it removed
[03:04] <harris> but i think its still infected
[03:04] <harris> so im gonna format it and reinstall
[05:41] <raevol> hi all, i have a conky startup script that looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/810391/ so that the background behind my conky looks right. i'd like to replace the hard path to the image with an environment variable or similar that is set by xfce, so that when i change my desktop, this script doesn't need to be edited. any ideas?
[05:42] <raevol> running xubuntu 11.10
[08:23] <carbon_kid> Anyone available in here? *looks around*
[08:24] <_Pete_> Total of 84 nicks , no
[08:24] <carbon_kid> Well darn.. (o.O)
[09:08] <Marzata> lots of nicks eh ...
[11:59] <Fudge> must not be
[15:00] <skrite> hey all
[15:41] <aidrocsid> Hello, something is overriding my desktop settings and I don't know what it is. I have  XFCEMenu>Settings>Desktop set up to display minimized windows and to show an application menu on right-click, but it's showing the contents of the folder and a simpler right-click menu with no applications menu or shortcuts. This just happened when I last reset with the latest updates, and now a background that I set through chrome, but which d
[15:41] <Myrtti> you got cut off at ", but which d"
[15:41] <aidrocsid> i'll pastebin
[15:42] <aidrocsid> My question: http://pastebin.com/yDSbt0M3
[15:45] <aidrocsid> Also, I can change the background under some menu called "system settings" that I can only get to through clicking the desktop and clicking "change desktop background". It's not the same as my settings manager
[16:12] <lotte> ich nutze xubuntu 11.10 und versuche umts-stick Huawei E1750 ins laufen zu bekommen lsusb: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 12d1:1446 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E1552 (HSPA modem)
[16:12] <epod> !de
[16:13] <lotte> usb modeswitch+data ist defaultmäßig da
[16:13] <lotte> ah sorry
[16:13] <epod> no worries :)
[16:31] <aidrocsid> I made a slide show can you guys help me http://imgur.com/a/Imus8#0
[16:31] <aidrocsid> visual representation of my problem :(
[16:34] <epod> I wish I knew the answer, just because of the effort you put into showing your issue :(
[16:34] <epod> it LOOKS like you have the gnome3 system settings menu coming up for some reason
[16:47] <aidrocsid> hmmm
[16:47] <aidrocsid> maybe it's because I enabled gnome plugins?
[16:47] <aidrocsid> should I disable them?
[16:48] <aidrocsid> or hell
[16:48] <aidrocsid> i could just uninstall gnome3 right?
[16:48] <aidrocsid> i started out with the standard unity install but it was terrible so i went back to xfce
[16:52] <mongy> try xfwm4 --replace
[16:53] <aidrocsid> lol i think i have it
[16:53] <aidrocsid> i had gnome services running
[16:53] <aidrocsid> dumb
[16:54] <mongy> aidrocsid, I just had gnome services on startup and it never did that.
[16:54] <mongy> odd
[16:54] <aidrocsid> thank you
[16:54] <aidrocsid> epod
[16:54] <epod> aidrocsid: no worries
[16:55] <aidrocsid> oh i guess that wasn't it
[16:56] <aidrocsid> tried that command
[16:56] <aidrocsid> didn't seem to do it
[16:56] <aidrocsid> oh maybe it's doing something though, the terminal window is just kind of sitting there
[17:01] <aidrocsid> yeah, mongy, no luck with  that one
[17:06] <mongy> I uninstall most of the gnome stuff thats not really needed, has no ill effects
[17:59] <greybot_> Hello
[17:59] <greybot_> I need some help
[17:59] <greybot_> with xubuntu
[17:59] <greybot_> I turned on my laptop this morning and it goes to grub rescue command prompt :(
[18:00] <greybot_> and says something like hd0 no disk before
[18:00] <greybot_> any help?
[18:20] <mvandruff> good mornming, when you choose to print to file on xubuntu what is the file type it outputs
[18:25] <skrite> hey all, how do you pronounce xubuntu ?
[18:26] <Sysi> ksubuntu or zoobuntu
[18:26] <baizon> X Ubuntu :)
[18:26] <skrite> Sysi: thanks !
[18:27] <skrite> baizon: now that is what i have been calling it, then thought the x might be  a z sound
[19:53] <spaceneedle> Following an update and reboot, the top and bottom bar are gone. How do I get the top one back?
[19:54] <Unit193> !panels
[19:55] <spaceneedle> I'll give it a try. Thanks.
[20:08] <jadoe> how do i change me default shell? directly edit /etc/passwd?
[20:09] <TheSheep> jadoe: that's one way
[20:09] <TheSheep> jadoe: you can also specify it when creating a new user
[20:10] <jadoe> kk, thx
[20:11] <Myrtti> or chsh
[20:11] <Unit193> Dang, was about to say that :/
[20:14] <Marzata> any distro better than xubu?
[20:14] <baizon> not for me :)
[20:15] <Sysi> depends what you need/want
[20:15] <Sysi> some prefer gentoo, I prefer xubuntu
[20:17] <mongy> just done an update and got an update to kernel, and got this error while it was configuring. it finished though.  http://pastebin.com/4CkgYxib
[20:17] <Marzata> gentoobuntu?
[20:18] <Sysi> gentoo gnu/linux
[20:18] <Sysi> one of the maany available distributions
[20:18] <Marzata> compile your pc?
[20:19] <Sysi> mongy: do you have proprietary drivers in use?
[20:19] <mongy> yeah, fglrx and bcmwl
[20:20] <Sysi> okay, those may just broke
[20:20] <mongy> guess I'll remove the new kernel then.
[20:21] <Sysi> I'd try booting to it first, if it fails, use old one
[20:22] <mongy> but a depmod/dkms error means it hasnt  built the module for the kernel?
[20:22] <mongy> I'll reboot.  brb
[20:24] <Sysi> I really wish he didn't see X for the last time on his installation
[20:26] <mongy> works.  odd
[20:28] <metanol> Hello there! I just installed the daily updates on my xubuntu 11.10 (hosted in virtualbox) and after that I cannot change resolution any higher than 1024x768 (formerly 1920x1200). I tried to reinstall Vbox guest additions but that didnt help. Could someone please give me hints about resolving this issue?
[20:34] <Silent> Hello
[20:34] <mongy> metanol, new kernel I guess?
[20:34] <Silent> Does Xubuntu support installing to a USB flash drive as a live medium?
[20:35] <Sysi> Silent: with unetbootin or usb-creator, yes
[20:35] <Silent> I see.
[20:35] <Silent> Isn't there an installer for that?
[20:36] <Sysi> if you wan't real installation to usb stick, you need to unplug HDD:s or disable them in BIOS
[20:36] <Silent> I want a live installation on a USB drive
[20:37] <Silent> To run from RAM, and preserve changes,
[20:38] <Sysi> usb-creator works for that, unetbootin with some tricks maybe does too
[20:38] <Sysi> something similar probably also works, basically anything that works for "regular" ubuntu
[20:39] <Silent> That's good.
[20:40] <metanol> mongy Thanks for the advice, I'm gonna research then, how I can do that.
[20:40] <Silent> The site said something about an alternate image
[20:40] <Silent> What's the difference?
[20:40] <mongy> metanol, I meant, did the update pull down a new kernel.
[20:41] <mongy> Sysi, so this update is ok even with the error?
[20:41] <Sysi> Silent: alternate image can just run text-based installer, not live system
[20:41] <Sysi> mongy: apparently
[20:41] <Silent> Oh
[20:42] <Sysi> Silent: alternate images used to work badly from usb, not sure how well they do now
[20:42] <Silent> Alright.
[20:42] <Silent> Also, the site claims that I need at least 4.4GB of space for a standard install
[20:42] <mongy> alternate image boots and installs ok from usb with grub2
[20:42] <Silent> Is that also true for live installs?
[20:43] <metanol> mongy, I just checked todays update history and there are several updates named like linux-headers-generic 3.xxx.I think those are related to kernel es.
[20:43] <metanol> yes*
[20:43] <Silent> Note that I'm not going to insta  from the USB but *to* the USB
[20:43] <mongy> metanol, yup
[20:43] <metanol> mongy, do you know a way to revert those changes?
[20:44] <Sysi> Silent: 1GB stick is enough for live-usb
[20:44] <Silent> That's very good.
[20:44] <mongy> metanol, do you get an error compiling guest additions?
[20:44] <metanol> Nope, it reinstalls withouth errors.
[20:45] <Sysi> live images are not made for daily use, not to mention how slow system from usb is
[20:45] <mongy> metanol, do you use the additions from within the program or do you use what is provided in hardware drivers
[20:46] <metanol> I only use the additions shipped with VirtualBox, the one which gets mounted automatically.
[20:46] <metanol> No other drivers installed at all.
[20:46] <Silent> That's exactly what I'm afraid of
[20:47] <mongy> metanol, I have found lately that the ones available in ubuntu/hardware drivers work better
[20:47] <Silent> Maybe you can sugget a flavor that does have that benefit, then?
[20:47] <mongy> I have had a few problems with them working as far as mouse integration but failing to give me the resolution I need
[20:47] <Silent> I know Puppy does, but I don't like it too much
[20:47] <Silent> Slax does too, but I'm looking for something Deb-based.
[20:48] <mongy> I dunno, my usb stick runs live images pretty speedy.... I dont save anything though
[20:49] <Sysi> why not real installation
[20:49] <Silent> Because that's bad for the USB stick.
[20:49] <Silent> Too many writes.
[20:52] <Sysi> why not hdd/ssd
[20:52] <metanol> mongy, Should I install one called like this: "NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library" (I have an Nvidia VGA of course.)?
[20:53] <mongy> metanol,  not in a virtualbox guest no.
[20:53] <mongy> metanol, how did that even get in there ?
[20:54] <metanol> mongy, I'm just browsing ubuntu software center and searched for "nvidia video driver". Not sure where to find "the ones available in ubuntu/hardware drivers"
[20:55] <mongy> metanol,  no, in the guest. install it inside the guest.
[20:55] <mongy> settings > additional drivers
[20:55] <mongy> remove the old ones first, I guess.
[20:56] <metanol> Ohh, i got it now! I ll give it a try.
[20:57] <mongy> the ones you were using mount the iso inside the guest and install into the guest..
[21:05] <metanol> Theres functionality there to deactivate the drivers, but i cant see any other to choose, apart from the vbox addition drivers.
[21:08] <mongy> have to uninstall with the script used to install
[21:09] <mongy> mount the driver disc again, dont run it.  in terminal goto the mount point, something like /media/VBoxsomething then sudo ./VBoxLinuxAdditions uninstall
[21:09] <metanol> Okay, im going to do that now thanks!
[21:11] <mongy> be a man and dual boot :)
[21:16] <metanol> mongy, Thanks a lot, now its okay! I tried dual boot but i prefer if my machine can carried easily (like from my home pc to a laptop or something), even if its much worse in performance this kind of stability worth a lot to me. :)
[21:17] <metanol> And if i were a little bit cleverer i would took a snapshot before doing kernel updates and then just "revert" the changes that messed up anything.
[21:17] <metanol> Again, thanks a lot for helping me out, I'm still a beginner in the topic.
[21:18] <mongy> metanol, press shift before it starts to boot to get boot menu and you can boot the older kernel.
[21:19] <mongy> but, if it works now, fine
[21:20] <metanol> Yeah its fine, but thats another bit of information that can be useful later. :)
[22:10] <Mikael___> Hello, I'm running Xubuntu 11.10 with XFCE 4.8. When changing settings in the XFCE4 power manager, it does not save them. Any ideas? I can't tick off the box to spin down harddrives.
[22:12] <Mikael___> The box is "tickable" but it does not save. Nor do my other settings.
[23:04] <theoN^> ok so I've been struggling with this for the last couple of days and I still haven't managed to get it setup properly: I am trying to get my dualscreen setup sorted so I can drag windows from the left screen to the right one and the other way (like windows' extended desktop). I have been reading a lot and apparently a lot of people are finding it hard to find a decent fix. It seems as if Xinerama is the way to go but when I open my Catalyst control center (
[23:04] <theoN^> yes, I have an ATI graphics card) I cannot enable it, it says "You currently only have one desktop enabled. Configuring more than one desktop in the Display Manager will allow you to configure Xinerama.". Now my question is: how in the bloody hell am I supposed to configure this second desktop? I am clearly already using two screens (it just duplicates right now), my ATI detects it, my display manager sees 2 screens connected but how do I create another "de
[23:04] <theoN^> sktop" then?? Please help me out, I am getting very desperate now :(
[23:10] <jcfp> theoN^: cannot really help you with your setup, but do realise there's a difference between a graphics driver (probably by default) duplicating a screen on the second monitor, and having two displays configured in X.org.
[23:11] <jcfp> The latter used to be done in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:12] <theoN^> jcfp, I do realise that. I have tried the Catalyst control center approach, that does nothing
[23:12] <theoN^> I have tried multiple xorg.conf setups, that fucks up my RandR for some reason
[23:12] <theoN^> it never works as it should ...
[23:14] <theoN^> well, relogging again