[00:03] <dies_irae> hei
[00:03] <dies_irae> kubuntu install 11.10 got an effup bug
[00:21] <BarkingFish> dies_irae: What happened?
[00:31] <Kurdistan> does kubuntu have kubuntu backports active by default?
[00:40] <almoxarife> Kurdistan:  dont think so, i had to check it in synaptic
[00:40] <Kurdistan> almoxarife, thx.
[00:46] <alpha-aquilae> hello everybody. I have a file in my desktop which name is written in strange characters "  p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  ��� ��Ӄٴ� ������", chan i try do delete it, it says "the file or folder /home/... does not exist". how can I delete this file?
[00:46] <James147> alpha-aquilae: anything else in teh folder?
[00:48] <alpha-aquilae> James147: it is in my desktop, yes there are ather folders, I tried to move it to another folr so that I can delete it with -f * but I can't move it
[00:49] <Kurdistan> have you tried sudo su
[00:49] <Kurdistan> then move to your directery
[00:49] <Kurdistan> then
[00:49] <Kurdistan> rm package
[00:49] <Kurdistan> file
[00:49] <FloodBotK3> Kurdistan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:49] <alpha-aquilae> Kurdistan: I can't write the name in terminal, even using autocompletion
[00:50] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, I had that problem ones. but I honestly do not remenber what I did to remove it.
[00:51] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, you can try do what I said from livecd with kubuntu
[00:52] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, you can press: alt+f2. then type: kdesudo dolphin
[00:53] <Kurdistan> from dolphin go to your desktop and try to remove it.
[00:53] <Kurdistan> try this before using livecd.
[00:55] <alpha-aquilae> Kurdistan: it doesn't work. what how can i livecd help me doing that?
[00:56] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, did you really try with kdesudo dolphin?
[00:56] <James147> alpha-aquilae: you can try "rm -i ......." (with the numver of dots being the number of chars in the file name) do an "ls ....." first to see what it will remove
[00:56] <alpha-aquilae> Kurdistan: yes, it says "the file or the folder does not exist"
[00:56] <James147> Kurdistan: sudo or kdesudo wont help, its a problem with the charaters in the name
[00:57] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, okey try this: sudo chown -R $USER:$USER $HOME
[00:57] <Kurdistan> maybe you need to have owner priv. over the file
[00:57] <James147> Kurdistan: the problem isnt with permissions its with refenceing the file na,e
[00:57] <alpha-aquilae> James147: exactly
[00:57] <Kurdistan> James147, yes I now. I hade the exact same problem. one of the things I bring it up solved for me.
[00:58] <Kurdistan> for me it was some pdf files that did not wanted be removed
[00:58] <James147> alpha-aquilae: have you tried "rm -i ......." ? . is a wild card for any character so put as many dots as there are chars in the name (-i means interactive so should ask you before deleteing a file)
[00:59] <Kurdistan> okey any one kubuntu-backports are it enabled by default in kubuntu?
[01:00] <James147> alpha-aquilae: sorry, its ? not .  in bash :)
[01:00] <alpha-aquilae> James147: ok
[01:00] <James147> alpha-aquilae: "rm -i ????????" (or how ever meny chars)
[01:00] <Kurdistan> one thing. kubuntu 11.10 with 4.7* is for me lot faster then kubuntu 11.04
[01:00] <Kurdistan> thats cred to devs
[01:01] <alpha-aquilae> James147: ls commands shows that name "??? ???? ?ხ??.doc",  rm -i ????????????????? did not work
[01:02] <James147> alpha-aquilae: *.doc?
[01:02] <alpha-aquilae> James147: yep
[01:02] <James147> what dose rm -i *.doc say?
[01:02] <James147> (or "ls *.doc")
[01:03] <alpha-aquilae> James147: done the file is deleted. know I have a folder with the name "??? ??Ӄٴ? ??????/"
[01:03] <alpha-aquilae> James147: now not Know ^^
[01:04] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1236012 read this
[01:04] <James147> alpha-aquilae: "rm -i *" :) though I would make sure anything important is move out first
[01:05] <alpha-aquilae> James147: thanks, worked with rm -Ri ???
[01:05] <alpha-aquilae> James147: Kurdistan thank you guys :)
[01:05] <James147> sorry, eyah, "rm -ri *"
[01:08] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, did it help?
[01:14] <alpha-aquilae> Kurdistan: yes it works!
[01:14] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, :) nice. which of the command lines?
[01:15] <Kurdistan> good for other to know
[01:15] <alpha-aquilae> to delete the doc file "rm *.doc", and to delete the folder "rm -Ri ????"
[01:16] <James147> -ri
[01:16] <Kurdistan> alpha-aquilae, okey. so James147 tips helped.
[01:16] <Kurdistan> now bad time :)
[01:16] <Kurdistan> bye
[01:16] <alpha-aquilae> bye
[01:16] <James147> o case dosnt matter for -r :p
[01:16] <alpha-aquilae> James147: yep
[01:22] <zacarias> is it wise to install a 12.04 release? If it works, will it be possible to upgrade when the stable release coms out?
[01:23] <dies_irae> BarkingFish: crashes during 'Configuring Hardware'
[01:24] <mydogsnameisrudy> zacarias,  it will be stable with the updates when it comes out
[01:26] <James147> zacarias: if you keep it uptodate then it will be upgraded to the final realase, however you should expect it to possibally break horribally at some point
[01:26] <zacarias> mydogsnameisrudy: ok, thanks
[01:26] <zacarias> James147: ok
[01:33] <dies_irae> or am I the only one??
[03:51] <katie_> hi
[03:51] <katie_> quitters..
[03:51] <katie_> ;)
[04:21] <geri> hm what is causing this issue? http://codepad.org/SAeKiFJr
[04:58] <DarthFrog> geri:  [ 1803.802672] sysctl net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 to enable it.
[04:58] <DarthFrog> Do that.
[04:58] <DarthFrog> i.e edit the file /etc/sysctl.conf and insert the line "net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 " then try again.
[04:58] <geri> DarthFrog, i solved it now by removing the packat dhcpcd
[04:58] <geri> what is netfilter?
[04:59] <DarthFrog> kernel firewall
[04:59] <geri> how is this related to dhcpcd?
[04:59] <DarthFrog> no idea.
[04:59] <geri> and my to my module?
[04:59] <DarthFrog> no idea, I just read the output.
[05:13] <geri> DarthFrog, why do i get this error? http://codepad.org/MvmaNgMs
[05:13] <geri> there should be a header existing?
[05:48] <adflinux> Hola q  tal!!
[05:48] <adflinux> saludos  a todos!!
[06:17] <Gerald> how can i isntall linux-headers-3.0.0-14-generic ? how is this package called?
[07:07] <datruth_> Why doesnt the windows +d shortcut work in kubuntu?
[07:13] <hansg01> datruth: many shortcus dnt work with kubuntu
[07:13] <datruth_> I see
[07:14] <datruth_> How can I configure that shortcut?
[07:14] <hansg01> datruth: assign to the app
[07:15] <datruth_> yeah I'll continue to google hopefully  I find something
[07:21] <datruth_> hrmm darn I think I'll go with whats easier and just installed the ubuntu-desktop
[07:24] <datruth_> ahh nvm
[07:24] <datruth_> hidden away in the settings
[07:38] <fanti> hi! i'm looking for a repository which still has the sun's java packages?
[08:54] <bazhang> robbit10, whats the issue
[08:55] <robbit10> bazhang: Thanks for responding :). Atm, it's just a simple question about KDE's Activities system that I asked in #kde.
[08:55] <robbit10> But there was a problem I had a while ago with the authorization not working.. and nobody in here responded.
[08:56] <bazhang> ok
[08:56] <robbit10> anyway, this was my question:
 How do I make certain applications open in certain Activities by default?
 do I need to save my session?
[08:56] <bazhang> robbit10, any specific error messages would be helpful; in tracking down the issue
[08:57] <robbit10> bazhang: Well, the authorization problem has been fixed, by getting help in #ubuntu.
[08:58] <robbit10> bazhang: It's just that I don't see myself using kubuntu for very long with it's support channels having so many idle users.
[08:59] <bazhang> robbit10, well, what I usually do is post here, and while I wait post to askubuntu.com ubuntuforums and the like
[08:59] <robbit10> bazhang: Good idea :)
[09:01] <bazhang> support is likely to be more patchy on the weekends especially as this is all volunteer
[09:06] <robbit10> bazhang: What's KDE and kubuntu IRC support like on weekdays, then?
[09:15] <liudas> hello could anyone help with svn+ssh
[09:15] <liudas> i can't submit translations anymore
[09:16] <liudas> even proceed svn update command
[10:02] <bbeck> liudas: I had thought pretty much most of the KDE projects had moved to git for versioning.
[10:06] <ralf_> hello
[10:06] <ralf_> i'm developing an application on kubuntu using Lua and Qt and I would like to install systel wide global shortcut keys to control my app
[10:06] <ralf_> *system
[10:07] <ralf_> i'm looking at a number of options, such as installing it in x11, or using the KDE applet
[10:08] <ralf_> not much success so far, can anyone help?
[10:10] <martell> There is a programm in the KDE software library that claims to do it. I've never tested it however
[10:11] <martell> autokey
[10:14] <ralf_> not sure that would be what I want, i would like to avoid dependency on external programs
[10:14] <ralf_> ideally I would install an X11 shortcut from my program
[10:15] <bazhang> !info autokey-qt
[10:29] <ralf_> what about xgrabkey?
[11:16] <meho> hi @ all
[11:16] <meho> i have trouble with my virtual box so i want to reinstall it
[11:17] <meho> if i use sudo aptitude remove virtualbox virtualbox-qt
[11:17] <meho> nothing will deinstall and i dont know why
[11:17] <meho> can somebody help me please ?
[11:39] <mydogsnameisrudy> meho, what is the problem with virtualbox
[11:50] <meho> ahh its done  my mistake was i did try to delet config file with "rc " infront of the name
[11:50] <meho> thank you
[11:50] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok
[11:56] <merlin1991> Is there anything I can do about regular plasma desktop segfaults?
[11:57] <James147> merlin1991: you can try restting it to its default settings (by renaming ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*)
[11:58] <merlin1991> James147: I never touched the settings though :/
[11:59] <merlin1991> it just segfaults in my face in random intervals wihtout any logical reason
[11:59] <James147> merlin1991: anything you change in it will cause it to write to those configs
[11:59] <merlin1991> yeah but my changes I did are 2 global shotrcuts
[12:00] <merlin1991> apart from that the system still looks like it was when I installed it from the cd
[12:00] <merlin1991> looks like as in I really changed nothing neither in config files nor in the gui
[12:00] <James147> merlin1991: its still worth a try to rule out bad configs...
[12:00] <merlin1991> odd thing is that most of the crashes happen when I try to shut down
[12:01] <merlin1991> though I could still try, any ideas beyond nuking the configs?
[12:02] <James147> merlin1991: its could be a widget... though finding out which (if it is one at all) could be a pain
[12:02] <merlin1991> no additional widgets besides the ones that come with a default install
[12:03] <James147> merlin1991: i assume you are fully uptodate?
[12:03] <merlin1991> yep
[12:08] <ace_> I just installed Kubuntu on my PC, and I cannot get the software center to open up. I tried to report the bug, but when I go to install the debug symbols it says "Another application seems to be using the package system at this time" But I have nothing else open. Here is the crash info: http://paste.ubuntu.com/811773/
[12:08] <pedro> hola
[12:09] <pedro> hola
[12:09] <pedro> alguien de españa
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:53] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning BluesKaj
[13:13] <BluesKaj> hi mydogsnameisrudy
[13:15] <InvaderZim> Hello, I'm getting annoyed the few past months with KDE4 (kubuntu). It got ultra slow since the last major upgrade. Now almost every slick takes at least 5 seconds to display a message box. To shut down, after clicking the shutdown icon, it takes, no kidding, almost 20 seconds for the dialog to appear (the screen the ghost box fades and blur effects, but the actual window box doesn't show, and the hard drive keeps reading like hell until it appe
[13:15] <InvaderZim> ars.) And this same pattern has been going on with numerous other simple message boxes, windows, etc. Getting tired of it, no minor updates are fixing it.
[13:20] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim,  have you checked system monitor for any apps hogging your cpu / memory
[13:21] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj: hmmm not really lemme check
[13:21] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj: sys monitor has a gnome look to it, is that right?
[13:23] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim,  kmenu>apps>system>system monitor
[13:23] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmm funny i have 2 system moniors listed
[13:24] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj: yep that it, i have 2 too
[13:24] <BluesKaj> you guys come over from gnome ?
[13:24] <mydogsnameisrudy> yep
[13:24] <BluesKaj> that's whay
[13:24] <mydogsnameisrudy> k
[13:24] <BluesKaj> err why
[13:25] <mydogsnameisrudy> had to change windows manager from compiz to kwin it was acting kind of nuts too
[13:25] <BluesKaj> you're going to have quite a few apps left in the menu , some do duplicate tasks/functions
[13:26] <mydogsnameisrudy> im going to reload kde from disk someday
[13:26] <BluesKaj> compiz is hardly required anymore IMO
[13:26] <mydogsnameisrudy> ah it seems to be tied in with unity?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> yup
[13:27] <mydogsnameisrudy> dont like unity came to kde
[13:27] <BluesKaj> unity is messy for some , works for others , depending on your HW
[13:27] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya
[13:27] <mydogsnameisrudy> im a bit lost in kde right now cant find what i want
[13:28] <BluesKaj> kde is much more consistent
[13:28] <James147> but also has more options, so can take some getting use to,
[13:29] <BluesKaj> the Kmenu is your  friend , as is the command run box (alt+f2) , and the the konsole of course
[13:30] <mydogsnameisrudy> i put the terminal what it called hit f12 and it comes down from top
[13:30] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim,  mydogsnameisrudy , you know about pure kde ?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> !pure kde
[13:31] <mydogsnameisrudy> ummm?
[13:31] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj: not really
[13:31] <BluesKaj> !purekde
[13:31] <mydogsnameisrudy> i was reading that kind of afraid to do it lol
[13:31] <ts2> mydogsnameisrudy: yakuake
[13:32] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj: no i've always used kde, and since i started on ubuntu it was kubuntu all the way. but these last months this sluggishness got to a point where I actually installed the gnome desktop as well to see if it could be faster, but i can't adapt to it
[13:32] <mydogsnameisrudy> yep ts2  thats it
[13:32] <ts2> yakuake is the best :)
[13:32] <mydogsnameisrudy> works very well
[13:32] <BluesKaj> !yakuake
[13:32] <ts2> !info yakuake
[13:32] <BluesKaj> ts2,  best for ?
[13:33] <ts2> BluesKaj: it's like Konsole (is actually uses Konsole libs), but it doesn't clutter your task manager, and drops down from the top of the screen on F12
[13:34] <ts2> if you always want a terminal open, but don't necessarily want to _see_ it all the time, it's very nice
[13:34] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya it just sits there ready to go
[13:34] <BluesKaj> ts2,  I just run the terminal from an panel icon when I need to
[13:34] <BluesKaj> a panel icon/link
[13:34] <ts2> but, that's precious milliseconds you're wasting ;)
[13:34] <mydogsnameisrudy> i set up terminal keys ctl alt t to come up also
[13:35] <mydogsnameisrudy> got used to that in gnome
[13:35] <BluesKaj> yeah , well I'm retired , not on the job , so ...
[13:35] <ts2> I have yakuage start on login, so if I ever want a terminal, I just hit F12 and it's there ready
[13:35] <mydogsnameisrudy> same
[13:36] <BluesKaj> to each his own i always say
[13:36] <ts2> it's just easier than going through the menu, or even setting a short-cut for starting konsole. plus it takes a second to actually start bash in a terminal, yakuake is already running when you login etc...
[13:36] <ts2> plus, it's funky and kool :)
[13:36] <mydogsnameisrudy> heh
[13:37] <BluesKaj> hmm, funky and cool ? ... uhm, okaaaay :)
[13:37] <mydogsnameisrudy> if i  want 2 or more terminals open i use konsole
[13:39] <ts2> mydogsnameisrudy: yakuake has tabs you know ;)
[13:40] <ts2> I usually have between 3 and 5 open at any given time
[13:40] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya but cant move like windows
[13:40] <ts2> I've never really needed to, shift+left/right isn't to hard
[13:40] <mydogsnameisrudy> but you only see one at a time
[13:41] <mydogsnameisrudy> i want to see all of them sometimes
[13:41] <ts2> that's what I mean, I rarely if ever need to see more than one
[13:41] <mydogsnameisrudy> k
[13:41] <ts2> mydogsnameisrudy: but still, you can also split the tab into more than one terminal. problem solved
[13:42] <BluesKaj> well, I always have a terminal open on another desktop , so a quick switch is more my style
[13:42] <mydogsnameisrudy> ;) linux rules
[13:43] <BluesKaj> I'm on 12.04 and it seems quite stable right now ...hope i haven't spoken too soon
[13:43] <mydogsnameisrudy> i have it running on my old laptop seems to be ok
[13:44] <ts2> it'll be an LTS release, so it will probably stay very stable (compared to other development releases)
[13:44] <mydogsnameisrudy> is there much change with kde then?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> yup, but there have been some kernel panic and libreoffice dependency problems
[13:45] <ts2> I expect the Qt upgrade coming soon may cause one or two issues, but hopefully nothing to major
[13:45] <BluesKaj> it's using kde 4.8 and it's more stable than 4.7.3 or4 were /are IME
[13:48] <BluesKaj> however I'm a bit leary to reboot now that libreoffice-core has been reinstalled
[13:52] <BluesKaj> brb
[14:13] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj:  I was using system monitor here, and tried the shutdown dialog, and both cpus went straight to 100% and while the other had spikes of 100%, the other core stood there for all the time while the hd light was continuosly on and the dialog wasn't showing. As soon as it showed, the cpu went back to normal. Also to note, is the fact that my boot time to stable "idle" processing takes almost 3 minutes, and the basic tray apps like volume an
[14:13] <InvaderZim> d klipper for instance take almost a minute to load and show the icon. This clearly didn't happen with my previous upgrade. (I'm not sure anymore if it started happening from 10.10 to 11.04, or 11.04 to 11.10)
[14:14] <James147> InvaderZim: dose it do the same for a new user?
[14:15] <InvaderZim> James147: hmmmmm lemme try
[14:16] <InvaderZim> James147: taking forever to load
[14:17] <InvaderZim> James147: fiy, user management app took about 20 secs to open
[14:17] <InvaderZim> James147: thats what i'm talking about
[14:17] <James147> first login takes alittble bit longer then normal
[14:17] <InvaderZim> James147: i'm gonna logout here and login twice with the new user, and later get back here with the results
[14:18] <InvaderZim> James147: the forever to load was the user mgmt app, not the actual login
[14:18] <InvaderZim> ok, gone
[14:34] <InvaderZim> James147: it still took almost 3 minutes to finish start up... and small dpi letters, wrong plastik menus, etc. I just tried disabling desktop effects (as it stops the dialogs slow display) but the boot now actually took longer, 3:35 minutes. All the time 100% cpu until the last app opens.
[14:35] <James147> InvaderZim: well something really wrong with that :p... dose "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" do anything?
[14:36] <InvaderZim> James147: let me see, I'm really thinking about reinstalling kde/kubuntu from scratch, but don't know how to do it without formatting and losing user data. This kubuntu here has been upgraded since 7.10.
[14:37] <James147> InvaderZim: If you dont format the disk then the installer will only delete system files (from /usr /bin etc...) and leave user files (/home) intect
[14:37] <James147> best to back up first though
[14:38] <InvaderZim> James147: so it will work?
[14:38] <qbit> might want to see if strigi is turned off in systemsettings -> desktop search
[14:38] <InvaderZim> James147: it will delete the system files? I thiought it would just write on top, getting a big mess
[14:38] <James147> qbit: it shouldnt be causing THAT much of a slowdown
[14:38] <InvaderZim> qbit: i tried disabling all of it, strigi and that other one i forgott
[14:38] <James147> InvaderZim: it will delete system folders to stop old files from causing problems
[14:39] <James147> InvaderZim: if you want to be extra sure you and always delete them first :)
[14:40] <James147> (the install dose warn you if you have any system folders that it will delete them)
[14:40] <InvaderZim> James147: on the last upgrade the widget menu on top says "unnamed", but with the new user it actually says "New Activity".
[14:40] <James147> ^^ though I hacent tested this with the latest version I dont see why It would have changed
[14:40] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim,  James147's suggestion worked for me several times , installing the OS witout reformatting is similar an release-upgrade thru thenet .. except the OS source is a live-media
[14:41] <James147> BluesKaj: its not the same as a realse-upgrade... it will delete /etc where as a realase-upgrade should perserve changes in /etc
[14:41]  * BluesKaj cleans his glasses ...again :)
[14:41] <BluesKaj> ahh
[14:42] <James147> BluesKaj: it should be a fresh install that dosnt delete files it dosnt care about (such as /home)
[14:42] <BluesKaj> but no personal folder like media and data is lost
[14:42] <InvaderZim> I'm gonna try it then, I'm guessing i'll lose all the installed apps apart from the default ones, but its better than this...
[14:43] <James147> InvaderZim: yes, you will ahve to reinstall things, and its always a good idea to backup before ahnd incase something goes wrong
[14:43] <BluesKaj> James147,  yeah, that's why i use a /home partition , it makes for a faster less troublesome install
[14:43] <InvaderZim> James147: Is it worth mentioning that the OS partition has only 350MB left?
[14:43] <James147> InvaderZim: you should make that bigger
[14:43] <InvaderZim> James147: swap is 1GB and is 0 used
[14:43] <BluesKaj> omg , no wonder
[14:44] <InvaderZim> I guessed it wouldn't be an issue since the swap space is free
[14:44] <James147> InvaderZim: as a side note: filesystem become very inificent when more then about 80% full...
[14:44] <InvaderZim> James147: hmm interesting
[14:45] <InvaderZim> James147: very hard to get space here.....
[14:45] <James147> InvaderZim: how big is you os partition?
[14:46] <InvaderZim> James147: it was 20GB but it actually reports 17.7. I know it's small but at the time I was just testing it, eventually became my main use, still resides in the same space.
[14:46] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim, probly need about 5-6G for the OS , and 1.5X yoyr RAM for the swap
[14:47] <James147> BluesKaj: I would say at least 10G for OS, 15G is recomended
[14:47] <James147> more if you install lots of large applications
[14:47] <InvaderZim> Here it is: /dev/sda1              18G   17G  353M  98%
[14:48] <James147> InvaderZim: run "sudo apt-get autoclean"
[14:48] <koleoptero> is that your / InvaderZim without the /home?
[14:48] <BluesKaj> I have 15G / , but it used only 6G , so i wasted 9G
[14:48] <InvaderZim> koleoptero: Yes but the home is in it
[14:49] <James147> BluesKaj: you need a small buffer of empty space to stop files from getting heavly fragmented, so 10G+ at elast for you
[14:49] <InvaderZim> I don't have aseparate partition for home
[14:49] <koleoptero> if you don't have a separate /home partition then that's the problem probably if you have lots of files in it
[14:49] <InvaderZim> koleoptero: not really, the big ones goes to the other hd
[14:50] <InvaderZim> koleoptero: but yeah I have a lot of files here too
[14:50] <InvaderZim> it's a mess I can tell you but I have no space left with this hardware
[14:50] <James147> InvaderZim: windows on the other partition?
[14:50] <koleoptero> well if you want to see how to save some space use baobab to see what you can remove that actually takes some space
[14:51] <InvaderZim> James147: windows and I don't use it anymore, I use the hd just for big files
[14:51] <koleoptero> and I'd run "sudo apt-get clean" not just autoclean
[14:51] <InvaderZim> ok with clean and autoclean it got me to /dev/sda1              18G   16G  671M  97% /
[14:52] <koleoptero> well at least it can breathe now :)
[14:52] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim,  so you're using an 18G partition , that's not very much for a complete install , is there more space available on the drive?
[14:52] <James147> InvaderZim: has preformance improved slightly?
[14:52] <InvaderZim> James147: I need to test it
[14:53] <James147> InvaderZim: I would see if you can remove anything else first
[14:53] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj: hmm the other partition has 1.6 gig free on it, but its fat32 very old almost unused partition with some files
[14:53] <koleoptero> InvaderZim: install and run baobab to see what takes up all that space and if it's anything you can remove
[14:54] <InvaderZim> that's not a bad idea to use all this hd (40gb) removing the fat 32 one
[14:54] <InvaderZim> koleoptero: ok
[14:54] <InvaderZim> my /home takes 6.8gb
[14:54] <koleoptero> that's reasonable if you use it
[14:55] <James147> InvaderZim: if you dont need the other partition then you may as well remove it :)
[14:55] <koleoptero> I agree with James147
[14:55] <InvaderZim> uh I didn't know this baobab
[14:55] <InvaderZim> you suggest to scan home?
[14:56] <koleoptero> for starters
[14:56]  * James147 just uses "du -sh /path/to/somewhere/*" when he wants to know what files take up space :)
[14:56] <koleoptero> visual representation sometimes is better James147 :)
[14:57] <James147> koleoptero: "!! | sort -h"
[14:57] <ts2> you don't need the * at the end
[14:57] <koleoptero> InvaderZim: also don't forget after you're done with baobab to sudo apt-get purge it and autoremove --purge
[14:58] <James147> ts2: you do if you want a subdir listing not just what that folder contains
[14:58] <koleoptero> since you're trying to save space it'd be a shame to leave it installed lol
[14:58] <ts2> James147: du is recursive
[14:58] <James147> ts2: so you can see waht files and folders inside /path/to/somewhere takeup, no the folder itsself
[14:58] <ts2> yeah, du is recursive, no need for the *
[14:58] <James147> ts2: yeah, but -s will print a total, with * its prints a total for each folder
[14:59] <ts2> ah, ok, that's one use ;)
[14:59] <ace_> I installed Kubuntu 11.10 64 bit on my PC today, and I am having trouble importing my openvpn files. I installed openvpn network-manager-openvpn, restarted, but can't figure out the problem. Any ideas how to get this working?
[15:03] <InvaderZim> nepomuk repository takes 534mb
[15:03] <InvaderZim> 673
[15:03] <InvaderZim> ops
[15:03] <InvaderZim> 573
[15:03] <FloodBotK1> InvaderZim: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:03] <InvaderZim> I'm gonna delete it
[15:04] <James147> InvaderZim: you may then want to turn off file indexing (which is what makes that file so big)
[15:04] <InvaderZim> James147: it's actualy turned off but i guess its from when it was turned on a while ago
[15:05] <James147> Probally
[15:05] <BluesKaj> another thing InvaderZim , if you don't use nepomuk or akonadi , then you disable them in system settings>startup&shutdown>service manager...this may help speed up your pc
[15:06] <InvaderZim> i dont because of the space issue
[15:06] <James147> Yey: du: WARNING: Circular directory structure.  :D
[15:07] <InvaderZim> 18G   16G  956M  95% /
[15:08] <InvaderZim> hmm ok i guess its time to test it
[15:08] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj: I don't see akonadi in startup&shutdown there, just nepomuk
[15:08] <InvaderZim> let me test this, see how it goes... anyway thanks all for the help, maybe that was it after all
[15:08] <InvaderZim> rebooting
[15:09] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim,  you can include it in the session management "apps to be excluded" textbox
[15:11] <datruth> how can I fix my headphones when I plug them in sometimes the sound comesx from the speaker and headphones and I have to go in to alsamixxer and fiddle around to get the sound to either come from the speakers or headphones is there an easy to do this?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> I'll save that suggestion for his return
[15:15] <BluesKaj> datruth,  if you have pulseaudio installed then pavucontrol is an option that will you more control over the output connecter selections
[15:15] <BluesKaj> give you more control
[15:15] <datruth> program not installed
[15:17] <BluesKaj> which program?
[15:17] <datruth> pavucontrol
[15:17] <datruth> so I must not use pulseaudio
[15:18] <InvaderZim> BluesKaj James147 just as info, still same sluggishness, more than 3 minutes to start up and dialogs take 5-10 secs to appear for the first time... I guess i'm going for the CD reinstall
[15:18] <ts2> Kubuntu uses pulseaudio by default in post-lucid iirc
[15:19] <BluesKaj> datruth,   look in system settings>media>phonon>...is there an audio hardware tab ?
[15:19] <James147> datruth: its a gnome util for pulseaudio, so not install on kubuntu by default... veromix (a kde widget) is a kde alternitive that might be enough
[15:21] <BluesKaj> ts2,  unfortunately yes
[15:23] <swaroop> hi
[15:24] <datruth> BluesKaj: I have that tab yes
[15:26] <swaroop> hi i have a problem with opening muon software centre. every time i open it, it loads a bare screen and exits abruptly before asking the password..
[15:26] <BluesKaj> datruth,  ok, check the device preferences tab , have you set that up with the test button yet ?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> audio hardware tab indicates that pulseaudio is installed , so installing pavucontrol will give you more output selection options. A quick check by typing pulseaudio in the terminal first will tell whether it's running or not. datruth
[15:31] <datruth> not yet I will try
[15:34] <swaroop> hi can anybody please help me?
[15:36] <BluesKaj> swaroop,  muon is buggy right now the devs are working on it , use a different package manager like apper or even synaptic , or the konsole with apt-get .
[15:37] <BluesKaj> !apt-get | swaroop
[15:37] <swaroop> yes i love apt-get, was just wondering if it could be solved easily and i might have missed it..
[15:39] <BluesKaj> swaroop,  no , right muon is basically a no go on most updated installs
[15:39] <BluesKaj> err right now
[15:39] <swaroop> k thanks
[15:41] <BluesKaj> swaroop,  if you don't mind a few gtk libs on your sytem , synaptic is still the best reference for finding package descriptions and options , IMO
[15:41] <swaroop> yet i can remember it working initially after install or was it on the livecd..
[15:43] <swaroop> its ok i'll be fine with package manager for now
[15:43] <ts2> BluesKaj: recent Kubuntu's come with GTK anyway
[15:45] <BluesKaj> ts2,  yeah, there's no getting away from them , required ingredient in the (K)Ubuntu recipe
[15:47] <BluesKaj> ok , BBL ..stuff to do for a few mins
[15:49] <swaroop> so i was having this problem with my bluetooth adapter. every time i plugged it in, i had had to run 'sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart' for it to get detected. so i made a script for it and changed its icon to one resembling a bluetooth icon. Now all text files apper in that fashion. can you help me fix either of the problems?
[16:39] <domenic> hey, i was wondering if someone could help me out
[16:39] <domenic> i'm trying to install the ATI video drivers from the AMD website
[16:39] <domenic> but it requires me to input the password for su
[16:40] <domenic> when i type in the password i use for my account, and sudo, it doesn't work
[16:40] <chalcedony> domenic, do you know the root pass?
[16:40] <domenic> isn't it the same password as the one when i setup this system?
[16:41] <chalcedony> might be, did you add your current user to the sudoers list?
[16:41] <domenic> unless it does it automatically, then no, i did no such thing
[16:41] <chalcedony> that might be the answer
[16:43] <chalcedony> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/how-to-add-a-user-to-the-sudoers-list/  this is a bit generic
[16:43] <domenic> thanks for the help, i'll give this a try
[16:44] <domenic> as a side note, I am able to perform sudo
[16:44] <domenic> for example, I can "sudo ls"
[16:44] <domenic> but when I attempt to "su"
[16:44] <domenic> the password I give is no longer valid
[16:45] <chalcedony> if you have sudo what do you need su for?
[16:45] <chalcedony> su is debianish
[16:47] <domenic> when I attempt to install the .run file from the ATI website, a terminal called Kate opens up
[16:47] <domenic> and it claims I need su access
[16:47] <ts2> Kate is not a terminal, its a text editor
[16:47] <BluesKaj> yes su is debain root pw , on kubuntu sudo should suffice , don't bother with su
[16:47] <ts2> use "sudo bash /path/to/file/.run"
[16:49] <BluesKaj> 'well, gotta run some errands ..bbl
[16:50] <ts2> chalcedony: erm, that's probably the worst possible way of getting a user sudo access, it has a very real chance of actually blocking _all_ sudo access
[16:50] <ts2> I'm talking about the the URL btw
[16:51] <ts2> the correct way would just be to add the user to the admin group, that's what it's there for :)
[16:51] <domenic> your advice worked flawlessly
[16:51] <domenic> thank you chalcedony
[16:52] <chalcedony> ts2, sometimes we find better things than others with google ;)
[16:52] <chalcedony> ts2, do you have a link for admin group?
[16:53] <ts2> well, from a user with sudo access, you open System Settings -> User Management, then just add the user to the group
[16:55] <chalcedony> ts2, thank you
[16:55] <ts2> there's probably a more complete guide on help.ubuntu.com somewhere
[18:07] <BentFranklin> I read somewhere someone talking about editing /etc/hosts as old-school or deprecated.  Someone please tell this dinosaur the new right way to tell my box who's who on my LAN?  (I don't use network manager because it mangled my box once.)
[18:15] <BluesKaj> BentFranklin,  maybe you /etc/hosts.allow if your managing your network with /etc/network/interfaces
[18:15] <BluesKaj> need
[18:17] <BluesKaj> BentFranklin,  my example of /etc/hosts/allow ,http://paste.ubuntu.com/812117/
[18:18] <James147> BentFranklin: as far as I know, and from waht I can find /etc/hosts hasn't been deprecated
[18:19] <BentFranklin> James147: BluesKaj: Cool, thanks
[18:20] <BluesKaj> BentFranklin,  my example of a static IP for LAN setting in /etc/network interfaces , http://paste.ubuntu.com/812121/
[18:20] <BluesKaj> err etc/network/interfaces
[18:22] <BluesKaj> this a great tutorial for static IP on /etc/network/interfaces, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[18:22] <BluesKaj> BentFranklin, ^
[18:31] <BentFranklin> I'll check that out.
[18:49] <mansoor> Hello all. What version of KDE is in Kubuntu 11.10?
[18:50] <ts2> mansoor: 4.7.3
[18:51] <mansoor> Why is 32-bit of Kubuntu  "recommended" over the 64bit? my computer supports both
[18:53] <James147> mansoor: all 64bit computers support both, no 32bit computer supports 64bit
[18:53] <mansoor> James147: right
[18:53] <ts2> trying to run (third-party) 32-bit applications on 64bit OS can be a little bit touchy at times
[18:53] <James147> mansoor: so 32bit will work with just about everything, "recomended" if you dont know which yours is... if you do then use that
[18:54] <ts2> unless you have >4GB RAM, then there's not really much point in going 64bit quite yet. and even then, there is the -pae kernel
[18:54] <James147> ^^ however if you have more then 4gigs of ram you really should be using 64bit
[18:54] <mansoor> I'll try my luck with the 64bit
[18:54] <mansoor> i have 4 gigs but only 3 gigs register
[18:55] <ts2> if you got that information from windows, don't trust it...
[18:55] <James147> mansoor: then use 64bit or use a pae kernel (i think the server one is)
[18:55] <mansoor> ohh wait >_>  on mint it says 3.9
[18:56] <mansoor> I guess i'll go with 32 bit then
[18:56] <ts2> a portion of RAM will be reserved for the kernel, and won't normally show in system tools
[18:56] <ts2> also, sometimes when the box says "4GB RAM", they are rounding-up
[18:56] <James147> mansoor: I would recomend 64bit, its less hassel if you ever decied to upgrade your ram and there arent really any downsides to useing it now
[18:57] <mansoor> James147: I would have distro hoped many times by the time I decide to upgrade my ram :p
[18:57] <James147> ts2: they dont generally round either way ^^ they just misslead with the bases
[18:58] <James147> though not normally in ram, more so with hdd
[20:31] <cetony> hoola
[20:31] <cetony> alguien de mexico????
[20:32] <bazhang> !es
[20:54] <jbehling> what does it mean when it says "driver activated but not in use" in 11.04 hardware manager when it comes to the nvidia driver
[20:55] <jbehling> i want to use it, and i thought i was using it...
[21:02] <BluesKaj> jbehling,  it may be a small bug , open a terminal and run, if it gives a detailed output then you're fine
[21:02] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-cache policy nvidia-current
[21:03] <jbehling> BluesKaj: ok, what should I run in the terminal?
[21:03] <BluesKaj> jbehling, run that command ^
[21:04] <jbehling> BluesKaj: run the additional drivers dialogue?
[21:04] <BluesKaj> no run this : sudo apt-cache policy nvidia-current
[21:04] <BluesKaj> in the teminal
[21:06] <jbehling> ok
[21:06] <jbehling> thanks!
[21:07] <BluesKaj> the reason I'm asking you to run the command is that for some reason there's a bug in that gui and it doesn't se the installed nvidi-current driver
[21:07] <BluesKaj> see
[21:07] <jbehling> BluesKaj: according to the output i have it installed
[21:07] <jbehling> BluesKaj: seems like you're right, bug in the gui
[21:07] <BluesKaj> ok then you're good to go, just ignore that gui indication
[21:08] <jbehling> Thanks!
[21:08] <BluesKaj> I had the same indication , but i knew the the nvidia-current driver was installed
[21:09] <BluesKaj> jbehling,  np
[21:44] <benbloom_> ok. I've been working on this problem for a long time and tried many solutions to no avail: I need help with RAM... I've got a 64b Acer M3100 running 64b Kubuntu 11.10. I use the builtin ethernet port and a GeForce 220 PCIe Video card. Apparently the MoBo is limited to <=4G but when I try to install >2G both the PCIe video card and my builtin ethernet jack stop working. I've tried using many different configurations to get >2G
[21:44] <benbloom_> including 2*2G 800mhz sticks (same mfg) and 4*1G 667mhz sticks. I've checked the individual sticks and sockets for errors with memtest86+. BIOS is identifying them properly, I've cleaned the RAM slots .nothing seems to work! can someone help?
[21:50] <gastal_home> benbloom_: does the onboard ethernet jack have leds on it? do they light up when you connect a cable?
[21:52] <benbloom_> hey gastal_home. unsure without a reboot. are you asking to see if it's a physical problem? because it's working fine as long as I remove the addtl RAM
[21:52] <timothy> hi there
[21:52] <benbloom_> hi timothy
[21:53] <timothy> my first time here so just saying hi
[21:54] <benbloom_> cool. people around here tend to get a little snippy about non-support related posts.
[21:54]  * benbloom_ ubottu !hi
[21:54] <benbloom_> lol oops
[21:55] <timothy> sadly there is not much wrong with my kde implementation other than a little video tearing at high resolutions on flash videos
[21:56] <benbloom_> have you tried using the adobe proprietary 64b plugin timothy?
[21:58] <timothy> yes, I have. I remember seeing that flash 11(i think) actualy brought in hardware accel which was a boon! i think it  could be more hardware related. older laptop with x1200 radeon in and 720p flash is fine. 1080p little struggle BUT 1080p video is fine
[21:59] <timothy> as in a 1080pvideo file
[22:02] <benbloom_> flash is really not designed as a video streaming software. it's very resource intensive even when not streaming HD video
[22:02] <benbloom_> gastal left :( i need help!
[22:02] <timothy> yea! ref steve jobs & the flash palava!
[22:03] <timothy> what have you got a problem with
[22:03] <phoenix_firebrd> need a good iptables/firewall kde frontend
[22:03] <benbloom_> flash is really not designed as a video streaming software. it's very resource intensive even when not streaming HD video
[22:03] <benbloom_> oops
[22:04] <phoenix_firebrd> benbloom_: its because the content is dynamic
[22:04] <benbloom_> timothy, I've been working on this problem for a long time and tried many solutions to no avail: I've got a 64b Acer M3100 running 64b Kubuntu 11.10. I use the builtin ethernet port and a GeForce 220 PCIe Video card. Apparently the MoBo is limited to <=4G but when I try to install >2G both the PCIe video card and my builtin ethernet jack stop working. I've tried using many different configurations to get >2G including 2*2G 800mhz
[22:04] <benbloom_> sticks (same mfg) and 4*1G 667mhz sticks. I've checked the individual sticks and sockets for errors with memtest86+. BIOS is identifying them properly, I've cleaned the RAM slots .nothing seems to work.
[22:05] <benbloom_> yes phoenix_firebrd. i think flash could be utilized in amazing ways, but it's not optimized to be a video streamer
[22:05] <phoenix_firebrd> benbloom_: exactly
[22:06] <benbloom_> it's all youtube's fault!
[22:06] <phoenix_firebrd> benbloom_: yourtube is pushing html5 and webm
[22:06] <timothy> haha they have moved to html 5
[22:06] <benbloom_> yes. really looking forward to html5
[22:06] <timothy> sounds an odd problem that with the mbo
[22:06] <phoenix_firebrd> benbloom_: the html5 player is not yet good
[22:07] <phoenix_firebrd> benbloom_: needs some improvement
[22:08] <benbloom_> yes timothy. i'm beginning to think it's a defective mobo. this makes me :'( because I'd really like to have more than 2G on my dual core 64b pc
[22:08] <timothy> yes almost negates the usefulness of 64bit os
[22:09] <timothy> im trying to find specs\manual from acer website
[22:09] <benbloom_> totally negates it! i can't believe the 4G limitation to begin with. but to have an effective cap of 2G i'm living in the stone age
[22:12] <timothy> have you tried  just the 2gb in different slots?
[22:12] <BarkingFish> right now, I'd be looking at taking your machine in to be serviced, benbloom_ - it sounds like your board is screwed.
[22:13] <benbloom_> BarkingFish, I've been afraid of that. i wonder. if i boot into windows and everything works does that mean it's a sw problem?
[22:14] <benbloom_> and yes timothy i have tried that
[22:14] <timothy> and thought you might have
[22:15] <timothy> so somehow the extra ram is interfering with the system bus esh
[22:18] <timothy> it is definiitiely an issue with just linux? are you able to reproduce the problem on different live distros, freeBSD or even windows. I would say that might work lookinng at to rule out hardware failure
[22:21] <benbloom_> I'm going to try loading Windows 7 (I have a dual boot system, just never use that part :D)
[22:23] <timothy> yea, if windows loads finds the ram and network card etc etc the hardware is functioning ok
[22:23] <timothy> i was just reading online that someone had a similar problem with a sound card on the m3100
[22:24] <timothy> when putting in more ram the sound card stopped........:-S
[22:32] <timothy> well good luck! i am off to hit the ps3 nice chaatting
[22:35] <timothy> another thing i would try is a live CD of kubuntu with the 4gb in. If that works your ethernet then it is your installation that would need tinkering with
[23:47] <javaholic5> Hi all,  I have deployed a questionnaire and would appreciate it if you could take about 3 minutes of your time to complete it. You can find it here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHA2UUhWSVV2WWw4M2VPNnJKNDR5VkE6MQ . Your answers will be completely anonymous. Thank you in advance for all your help
[23:57] <root> hi guys
[23:58] <Guest35080> heeey