[01:44] <snadge> i have updated 4 systems to precise now.. :D
[01:44] <snadge> including my work pc
[01:44] <snadge> work pc, home pc, htpc and netbook
[01:44] <jtaylor> have fun with the X update coming soon then :)
[01:45] <snadge> thanks for the heads up.. what kind of X update?
[01:45] <jtaylor> 1.11 with input stack from 1.12
[01:45] <snadge> oh ye of little faith.. she'll be right mate, as they say here in australia ;)
[01:45] <jtaylor> you update so many pcs but don't read -devel-announce? :O
[01:46] <snadge> well i did them one at a time
[01:46] <snadge> but no, i didnt even know about devel-announce
[01:46] <snadge> i did read the warning about "do not do this on production systems"
[01:47] <snadge> but its not the end of the world if they dont work
[01:47] <snadge> id rather help test and fix bugs on as many different types of systems as possible.. to hopefully have a more smooth time with 12.04.. thats my logic anyway
[01:48] <snadge> especially since im capable of actually doing that
[01:49] <snadge> fglrx seems to have an issue with compiz/unity for example .. where window focus doesnt appear to update properly
[01:49] <snadge> radeon does not have this issue
[02:04] <Fudge> anyone noticed in sound input tab, if you set your mic to be rear mic instead of default front. when you reboot it is back to front. have not found how to save this setting or a reason why it reverts
[04:00] <snadge> why does precise set 127.0.0.1 for the dns
[04:00] <snadge> wtf
[06:20] <snadge> sigh.. i just updated a system from 11.10 to 12.04
[06:20] <snadge> and lightdm isnt starting
[06:21] <snadge> if i manually start it with service lightdm start .. it does
[06:21] <snadge> im unfamiliar with upstart.. but if i use initctl status lightdm
[06:21] <snadge> it returns: lightdm stop/waiting
[06:23] <snadge> boot screen seems to be hung on Stopping read required files in advance
[06:33] <urlin2u> snadge, this your only OS?
[06:37] <snadge> i have windows on the same machine but its my only ubuntu os yes
[06:37] <snadge> if i start lightdm manually.. i can log in and use the machine as expected
[06:37] <snadge> ive worked out that its not ureadahead
[06:38] <snadge> because i removed it
[06:39] <Fudge> lightdm doesnt start automatically for me either
[06:39] <snadge> hmm.. maybe something just broke very recently then.. because it works fine on my other two systems
[06:40] <snadge> Fudge: are you using fglrx?
[06:40] <Fudge> just removed and made defaults with update-rc.d, think coudl prob safely ignore this error
[06:40] <Fudge> update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/lightdm missing LSB information
[06:41] <Fudge> dont believe I am
[06:41] <snadge> what does update-rc.d if you dont mind my ignorance? (im just taking a crash course in upstart now.. ergh)
[06:41] <Fudge> handles the runlevel init scripts
[06:41] <snadge> so it will recreate them?
[06:41] <Fudge> e.g update-rc.d -f lightdm remove
[06:41] <Fudge> update-rc.d lightdm defaults
[06:42] <Fudge> reboot see if it works
[06:42] <snadge> did you dist upgrade from an 11.10 system before seeing this problem?
[06:42] <snadge> or just installed an update
[06:45] <Fudge> snadge  this install is from precise alpha 1
[06:46] <snadge> ok rebooting it now after doing the above
[06:50] <snadge> nope that didnt help
[06:50] <snadge> in fact now i get another error
[06:50] <snadge> that S20lightdm isnt the way to invoke lightdm
[06:51] <snadge> i guess the next question is.. how to i completely purge upstart
[06:52] <Fudge> maybe there is somethign wrong with the init script
[06:54] <snadge> i think so.. im losing patience with it.. i could probably just reinstall from scratch
[06:54] <snadge> maybe i should try to at least figure out what went wrong
[06:55] <Fudge> well u can start by looking at /var/log/lightdm/
[06:58] <Fudge> mine look fine
[06:58] <Fudge> check for bug reports
[06:58] <snadge> mine look broken
[06:59] <snadge> [+1096.25s] WARNING: unity-greeter: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.
[06:59] <snadge> hmm.. and in x-0.log
[06:59] <snadge> [-     XMM_GLX] [I ]glesxXvInit Configureable RGBOutputColorRange
[06:59] <snadge>  ddxSigGiveUp: Closing log
[07:00] <snadge> could be an issue with fglrx
[07:00] <snadge> but if i manually start it.. it starts ok
[07:01] <Fudge> isnt fglrx a driver
[07:01] <snadge> yeah
[07:01] <snadge> thats in x-0-greeter.log and x-0.log
[07:01] <Fudge> nothing wrong there
[07:03] <snadge> ok on a machine with a working lightdm
[07:03] <snadge> therse only 3 seconds worth of log in lightdm.log
[07:04] <snadge> on the broken system.. it goes up to 6200 seconds
[07:12] <snadge> this is distressing me :/
[07:14] <snadge> starting it manually with service lightdm start.. works fine
[07:19] <urlin2u> snadge, you have a backup image of 11.10?
[07:19] <snadge> nah.. of course not ;)
[07:20] <urlin2u> to bad your best insurance.
[07:20] <urlin2u> :D
[07:21] <snadge> im just going to start heavily drinking and ignore it hehe
[07:22] <snadge> im half tempted to try apt-get --purge remove upstart
[07:22] <snadge> but it tells me it wants to remove 388 packages
[07:22] <snadge> tempting
[07:23] <snadge> and wants me to type "yes, i really want to do this"
[07:27] <snadge> dont worry i've saved a list of the packages its removing.. and im just going to try installing ubuntu-desktop.. and manually install anything its missing
[07:27] <snadge> failing that i'll boot off a live usb, copy off my data.. and format it with extreme prejudice
[09:54] <snadge> <--- glutton for punishment
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[10:15] <Ian_Corne> is there any way to get the file transfor window back after it's hidden?
[10:20] <jokerdino> click on nautilus icon
[10:21] <Ian_Corne> i tried that
[10:21] <Ian_Corne> doesn't show it
[10:21] <jokerdino> hmm
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[11:50] <megamaced> hi, with the recent update to lightdm in precise, the "other" user option has been removed so I can no longer log in using an active directory account via likewise-open. Does anyone know how I can bring back the "other" user option?
[11:51] <megamaced> i have temporarily switched to using GDM in the meantime
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:34] <chmac> libreoffice upgrades broken for you?
[15:35] <jokerdino> chmac: mine is working fine.
[15:35] <chmac> When did you last pull in updates?
[15:35] <jokerdino> today
[15:35] <jokerdino> around 12 hours before
[15:36] <chmac> jokerdino: Hmm
[15:36] <chmac> I'm seeing all kinds of dependency clashes
[15:36] <jokerdino> oh hm
[15:36] <jokerdino> what error message?
[15:38] <chmac> jokerdino: If I select all updates except ia32-libs (which I hacked in from oneiric) it wants to remove my entire desktop :-)
[15:38] <jokerdino> wooo
[15:38] <chmac> python2.7 is showing as an available update, which wants to rip out a load of stuff based on python
[15:38] <Daekdroom> Why did you get ia32-libs from oneiric?
[15:38] <chmac> Daekdroom: To get skype running, it was a week or two ago
[15:41] <chmac> I'm guessing this is a temporary issue. I had similar problems before because syncevolution wasn't updated, it was fixed in time
[16:59] <Ian_Corne> libreoffice hasnt worked for me for a while now
[16:59] <Ian_Corne> since my "fix" :p
[17:00] <Daekdroom> I never noticed it stop working in PP
[17:00] <Daekdroom> and I'm wondering why it still does not integrate well with GTK
[17:09] <Ian_Corne> ffmpeg update is also broken
[17:25] <thechef> What do you think? If I take the Unigine Benchmark and test using Unity and using Unity2D with nvidia card. Can I detect a difference? or does Compiz automatically deactive Compositing on fullscreen?
[17:38] <Daekdroom> thechef, Possibly yes, and I don't think it deactivates compositing.
[17:38] <Daekdroom> Because I've seen benchmarks regarding that.
[17:39] <Daekdroom> (the impact of compositing in performance)
[18:41] <thechef> Daekdroom, so if I want max out gaming performance I'm forced to use Unity2D or Gnome Classic, is it planned to let compiz detect a GL-context covering exactly or more than the entire screen and in this case deactivate compositing temporarily, or do you know if compositing overhead can be reduced to exactly 0 in circumstances where the opengl context covers the whole screen and now other effects are idle.
[18:45] <Daekdroom> thechef, despite having a performance impact, that does not necessarily for the worst. And I haven't read about any way to reduce composite impact on gaming.
[18:47] <Daekdroom> thechef, this is not recent enough to draw a comparison for 12.04, but check it out: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_managers1&num=1
[18:51] <penguin42> Daekdroom: The first result on there is odd - I'm surprised Gnome2+Metacity gets a noticably lower score than the 3d based ones
[18:53] <Daekdroom> penguin42, it surprises me too.
[18:54] <penguin42> Daekdroom: The order with the open ones seems more beliavable - although I wonder why KDE is coming out so high
[18:55] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Oddly on Nvidia, KDE is coming out the fastest - but what surprises me is that with what I assume are full screen games that the window manager makes any difference
[18:56]  * penguin42 would have thought for full screen the window manager would just get the heck out of the way
[19:06] <thechef> I think my guess that Unity makes window movement slower in frame rate was wrong. I just didn't expect a 6-7 year old intel centrino laptop to be faster than a atom nettop I bought last year.
[19:06] <thechef> and the laptop still had 10.04 installed
[19:07] <Ian_Corne> atom is really.. ugh
[19:08] <thechef> and now I'm about to install 12.04, jumping from release to release and 11.10 is slightly slower, but I know that 12.04 is faster so I think it will be exactly as fast.
[19:11] <thechef> I had fears that Unity would make Ubuntu the second best operating system in the world, but I'm sure I was wrong :)
[19:11] <aguitel> in last upgrade i see this error :sh: 1: /usr/bin/gdbus: not found
[19:11] <aguitel> ,what is this ?
[19:17] <ts2> it means something was looking for /usr/bin/gdbus, and it wasn't found
[19:17] <ts2> !find usr/bin/gdbus precise
[19:17] <ubottu> File usr/bin/gdbus found in libglib2.0-0-dbg, libglib2.0-bin, libglib2.0-dev
[19:19] <aguitel> ts2, need to install this files?
[19:20] <ts2> well, the error is saying it was looking for /usr/bin/gdbus, and that program is in the libglib2.0-bin package
[19:22] <aguitel> ts2, solved
[19:22] <aguitel> ts2, to make upgrade in 12.04 what is best to use,apt-get or aptitude ?
[19:22] <Daekdroom> aguitel, apt-get
[19:23] <Daekdroom> aptitude has a hard time dealing with multiarch
[19:23] <Daekdroom> (which you'd only need if you're on x64)
[19:23] <ts2> use do-release-upgrade
[19:23] <aguitel> i am in x64
[19:23] <Daekdroom> Wait, are you talking about upgrading to 12.04, or upgrade in 12.04?
[19:23] <aguitel> upgrade in 12.04
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[19:24] <ts2> oh, apt-get will do then
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[19:24] <Daekdroom> I spent about two weeks trying to install wine1.3 through aptitude until I realized apt-get was the only one that could do it.
[19:25] <ts2> aptitude sometimes tries a little _too_ hard
[19:26] <aguitel> see that if i try to use aptitude:http://paste.pocoo.org/show/538366/
[19:26] <Daekdroom> Bug #831768
[19:26] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 831768 in aptitude (Ubuntu Precise) "aptitude cannot handle conflicts with multiarch enabled" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831768
[19:33] <aguitel> !find /usr/bin/gdbus
[19:33] <ubottu> File /usr/bin/gdbus found in libglib2.0-0-dbg, libglib2.0-bin, libglib2.0-dev
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