[00:31] <ali1234> Azelphur: since you are USB battery pack expert... do they pass through usb data?
[00:31] <Azelphur> I'm a what now?
[00:31] <ali1234> like if you plug it into a PC to charge
[00:31] <Azelphur> xD
[00:31] <ali1234> and then plug a phone into the device port
[00:31] <ali1234> does the PC see the phone?
[00:31] <Azelphur> Very unlikely
[00:31] <Azelphur> I can check, but I doubt it
[00:31] <ali1234> well you have one... didn;t you try it?
[00:31] <Azelphur> no because I don't use it for my phone?
[00:31] <Azelphur> xD
[00:33] <Azelphur> ali1234: nope it doesn't
[00:33] <ali1234> ok thanks
[02:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Community Team Goings On - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/21/community-team-goings-on/
[08:36] <optim8> Hello
[08:36] <optim8> ?
[08:55] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:56] <MooDoo> morning
[09:28] <popey> Morning
[09:28] <AlanBell> hullo popey
[09:39] <AlanBell> daubers: I think I can do dynamic files
[09:45] <AlanBell> as long as the filesize is at least 1 it will open, read, and check the filesize again
[09:45] <AlanBell> and I can report a bigger size after a read has happened and the client will read the rest of it
[09:56] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:53] <brobostigon> i have found an android prog, that can show me tv listings, however it requires an xmltv source, any ideas, where to look? please.
[10:57] <kvarley> brobostigon: Can  you use RSS feeds? They are still technically XML
[10:58] <kvarley> How can I extract the contents of a subfolder to the folder which I am running the tar command from? It keeps making the subfolder in the directory that I run the tar command from when I just want the contents from the subfolder, not the subfolder itself.
[10:58] <brobostigon> kvarley: no idea, it only specifies xmltv input source.
[11:06] <Myrtti> have your computer generate one for you?
[11:06] <Myrtti> which android prog btw?
[11:06] <brobostigon> Myrtti: tvp. it is called.
[11:06] <brobostigon> generate one? how.
[11:07] <Myrtti> !info xmltv
[11:08] <Myrtti> or if not generate, then atleast that may help you get forward
[11:08] <Myrtti> but I'll have a look
[11:08] <Myrtti> once my phone wakes up from its coma
[11:08] <brobostigon> ok, thank you.
[11:09] <Myrtti> I don't see any programme called tvp on the android market, could you give me a link?
[11:10] <brobostigon> one minute
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> https://market.android.com/details?id=com.ideamats.tvplanner.android ?
[11:11] <brobostigon> thats it,
[11:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Big Blue Box - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/01/21/big-blue-box/
[11:15] <jutnux> Morning
[11:27] <Myrtti> oh man, this'll take FOREVER
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> daubers: what was the (3d?) graphics book you got called again?
[11:37] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> hi czajkowski
[11:37] <MooDoo> hello czajkowski
[11:38] <czajkowski> hw folks?
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> ?
[11:39] <czajkowski> hows
[11:39] <czajkowski> clearly :)
[11:39] <AlanBell> !iphone keyboard-#ubuntu-offtopic
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: wut?
[11:40] <AlanBell> factoid of the day
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> But sense! It makes none!
[11:45]  * chalcedony smiles
[12:13] <Myrtti> brobostigon: http://bleb.org/tv/data/listings
[12:15] <brobostigon> Myrtti: so i use that as the xmltv source url?
[12:15] <Myrtti> hold on, let me fiddle a bit more
[12:15] <brobostigon> ok.
[12:16] <brobostigon> thank you.
[12:18] <Myrtti> oh my dear god this app is horrible
[12:18] <Myrtti> can't paste an url?
[12:18] <Myrtti> seriously?
[12:19] <brobostigon> Myrtti: i havent had a good play yet, i just found it, just before i spoke here.
[12:24]  * Neoti right off to tesco it is for FOOD!!!!!! YIPEEEEEE!!!!!
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> Pfuh, who needs food
[12:29] <Myrtti> brobostigon: yeah, in theory if you have the patience to construct an URL with all the channels as that page instructs you should be able to get a file of the type you're looking for.
[12:30] <Myrtti> however I didn't have patience and I seem to be unable to refresh the channel list.
[12:30] <Myrtti> and the channel I did put doesn't show any listings.
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> you can create your own xmltv URLs by running the parsers yourself
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> but it's often messy
[12:31] <Myrtti> yes
[12:32] <Myrtti> so basically, you can do the same thing and host it on your own space, put it in a cronjob or something
[12:32] <brobostigon> ah, i see, ok. umm, let me think.
[12:36] <brobostigon> so i could use xmltv on my vps, to create said source, and then copy that into /var/www , and then pull that?
[12:36] <Myrtti> yup
[12:37] <brobostigon> and then as you said, create a custom cron job, to update it.
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> that's how mythtv does it I think
[12:55] <brobostigon> XMLTV requires a Date::Manip timezone of +0000 to work properly.
[12:55] <brobostigon> Current Date::Manip timezone is 1.
[12:55] <brobostigon> what does that mean?
[12:56] <StevenR> your xmltv listings might be an hour out?
[12:56] <brobostigon> i am just configuring the grabber.
[12:56] <brobostigon> http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/HowtoUseGrabbers
[12:57] <brobostigon> i am on the download data, section.
[12:58] <StevenR> probably need to look at reconfiguring Date::Manip
[12:58] <brobostigon> how do i do that?
[12:59] <StevenR> brobostigon: might help: http://nice3z.myfinejob.com/date-manip-unable-determine-timezone
[13:02] <StevenR> brobostigon: what OS and revision?
[13:03] <brobostigon> StevenR: 10.04.3
[13:09] <jutnux> Haz bacon
[13:09] <StevenR> brobostigon: ah. the interweb suggests that there's a bug
[13:09] <brobostigon> StevenR: a solution?
[13:10] <StevenR> not that I could see (the offered solution was "use the debian version")
[13:11] <brobostigon> the debian version of that perl package?
[13:12] <StevenR> of xmltv
[13:12] <StevenR> http://www.havetheknowhow.com/Install-the-software/MythTV-Date-Manip-bug.html
[13:17] <brobostigon> ok, thank you StevenR
[13:19] <AlanBell> daubers: python-fuse sucks at parsing command line arguments, but I have it working now
[13:22] <jacobw> hustle s8e2 \o/
[13:24] <Myrtti> brobostigon: after you've run, say, tv_grab_uk_rt --configure, tv_grab_uk_rt --config-file .xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt.conf --output tvlistings.xml --list-channels&&gzip tvlistings.xml and mv the .gz to /var/www - it probably needs to be done only once
[13:25] <Myrtti> I can't get it to show any listings tho
[13:27] <brobostigon> Myrtti: ok, thank you. let me try.
[13:29] <Myrtti> hmmm
[13:29] <Myrtti> brobostigon: yeah, I'll do that as well, there's something different with the australian listings, they actually work
[13:31] <Myrtti> I can see why
[13:38] <brobostigon> just need to create a crontab entry.
[13:41] <brobostigon> Myrtti: what would you suggest as a crontab entry?
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> 0 * * * * $HOME/bin/xmltv.sh
[13:41] <Myrtti> did you get it to list the programmes?
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> and then in xmltv.sh put:
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> #! /bin/bash
[13:41] <brobostigon> Myrtti: yes.
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> and the command you type to update the feed(s)
[13:41] <Myrtti> really?
[13:41] <brobostigon> Myrtti: it asked me which channels i wanted,
[13:42] <Myrtti> and you put the file in the app in android and it worked?
[13:42] <brobostigon> Myrtti: i am just tyring that.
[13:42] <Myrtti> try that before worrying about crontab
[13:43] <brobostigon> ok
[13:44] <Myrtti> because it didn't work for me
[13:45] <brobostigon> ok.
[13:47] <brobostigon> first check, that xml.gz is outside downloadable.
[13:48] <brobostigon> could this take a while?
[13:52] <Myrtti> oh man
[13:55] <brobostigon> Myrtti: ok. it has been going for just over ten minutes. not showing a result yet.
[13:55] <Myrtti> wow
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: is it doing anything? or is it just hanging on some server that's no longer there?
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> (is this the android app or the downloader thing on your iInux box)
[13:56] <brobostigon> that xml.gz is 4k.
[13:57] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i checked the xml.gz is accessable on my server, and it is. the android app is just hanging there, picking it up.
[13:58] <brobostigon>  not picking*
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: check your access.log, see if it's even tried
[13:58] <brobostigon> good idea. minute.
[14:00] <brobostigon> nope, nothing, other than my test, to get the file with chromium.
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> and using the web browser on the phone, does that work?
[14:00] <brobostigon> minute.
[14:02] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: android reports download failed.
[14:04] <brobostigon> weird.
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: nothing in access.log again?
[14:08] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: let me check, but the browser can pick up my site, from apache on that same server.
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it could be related to the .gz part and Apache trying to be smart
[14:09] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: it is showing android trying to get the .xml.gz in access.log
[14:10] <brobostigon> working, weird, just restarted android.
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> stränge.. wifi vs 3g?
[14:12] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok, it has the listings, however they are empty.
[14:12] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: wifi.
[14:13] <brobostigon> i mean Myrtti,
[14:13] <brobostigon> sorry.
[15:19]  * brobostigon returns with beer in hand.
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[15:26]  * MartijnVdS sticks to tea for now
[15:26] <brobostigon> :)
[15:27]  * Neoti mack from tesco with a mighty feast and a freezer full of foody goodness..... Victory!
[15:28]  * brobostigon puts ST TUC on.
[15:28] <brobostigon> ie, ST6.
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> Ugh Klingons :)
[15:29] <brobostigon> TOS's idea of a cold war theme.
[15:29] <brobostigon> as nimoy put it,
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> yes, that
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> 's obvious
[15:30] <brobostigon> yes :)
[15:30]  * brobostigon wishes he has his good speaker connected to the tv, that he has connected to his computer.
[15:30] <Neoti> hey all i would like some feedback on my blog http://phillipcooper.co.uk
[15:31] <brobostigon> speakers*
[16:08] <jacobw> Neoti: have you considered storing that information in wiki?
[16:09] <Neoti> hummm ... no .... i might look in to that though .... i think it would be better then a blog .... something to think about ...
[16:10] <jacobw> there's lots of useful information there, its just hard to navigate
[16:14] <Neoti> cool... i'll look in to a wiki
[16:35] <swat_> evening
[16:50] <brobostigon> interesting how the enterprise A's engine room, looks almost exactly like that of the anterprise D.
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: What a coincidence that they filmed TUC while TNG was running ;)
[16:52] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: exactly, :)
[16:54] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: and the ready room ,being a redress of the officers mess. i mean, the other way round.
[17:21] <Azelphur> The bukkit projects licensing makes me want to stab them in the face
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: isn't Bukkit GPL?
[17:22] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: "GPL", they get mad if you submit bugfixes and tell you that plugin authors code isn't GPL licensed
[17:22] <Azelphur> they also allow plugins to advertise that they are licensed under whatever they want, there are software plugins licensed under the CC
[17:23]  * Azelphur facepalms
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> ...
[17:42] <SuperEngineer> o/   ...& hi,  peeps
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> howdy SuperEngineer
[17:42] <SuperEngineer> howdy 2u2 MartijnVdS
[17:45] <SuperEngineer> just posted what is probably my most heart felt tweet in ages...
[17:45] <SuperEngineer> "I have just had to use that microsoft OS [SatNav speedcam update]. What a relief to be back on Linux again ;)"
[18:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andrew] HowTo: Pack Gtk CellRenderers vertically in a Gtk TreeView - http://whyareyoureadingthisurl.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/howto-pack-gtk-cellrenderers-vertically-in-a-gtk-treeview/
[18:40] <penguin42> https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat is very funny
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: R.. r.. ruby?
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: cool talk
[18:47] <penguin42> yeh
[18:47]  * MartijnVdS wants more now
[18:49] <grogoreo> hi
[18:50] <grogoreo> On my home network I would like others on it to be able to use my hostname instead of IP. How can I set this up?
[18:51] <directhex> grogoreo, all running linux/mac?
[18:51] <grogoreo> linux/windows
[18:52] <grogoreo> is it a case of routing my hostname and IP in /etc/hosts?
[18:53] <directhex> grogoreo, that's a bruteforce method of doing it. every host needs their /etc/hosts updated to know about every other machine
[18:53] <directhex> on windows, that's c:\system32\drivers\etc\hosts
[18:53] <directhex> bit ugly really
[18:53] <penguin42> grogoreo: You should find from Linux you should be able to use name.local automatically with no change
[18:53] <directhex> otherwise, you have three self-configuring options
[18:54] <directhex> first is mdns-sd. on linux, you can contact a machine via "machinename.local"
[18:54] <directhex> e.g. "ssh desire.local" works on this network. this is set out of the box on linux
[18:54] <directhex> and on mac
[18:54] <directhex> for windows you need an mdns-sd daemon... apple's bonjour for windows is an option there
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> My router takes the DHCP-supplied hostname and adds it to its local DNS server
[18:55] <directhex> option 2 is using wins, i.e. using the windows fileshare protocol for name resolution. it's a bit hairy, but it allows you to contact machines in the same windows workgroup by name only
[18:55] <directhex> that'd be even better IF it works. very router-dependent
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> true
[18:56] <directhex> on linux, you install the windows fileshare server samba to broadcast your name, and you configure winbind support for name resolution to consume other machines' names
[18:56] <directhex> it can be a bit ropey though, e.g. broakage in thunderbird has been linked to wins issues
[18:57] <penguin42> grogoreo: The other option is that your DSL/Cable/whatever router might have a DNS server in that you can set names on
[18:58] <grogoreo> right, thanks for all the info. Very helpful
[18:59] <directhex> oh, you could skip your router and install your own dnsmasq dhcp server, which can be configured to do what MartijnVdS described. nice & messy
[19:03] <Azelphur> Curiosity question, if you wanted to set up your own DNS server, where would you get the registry from?
[19:06] <mattt> Azelphur: say what now?
[19:07] <Azelphur> mattt: if you want a DNS server, surely you need a registry of all domains and what the records resolve to?
[19:08] <mattt> Azelphur: if you're running a caching name service, it'll just do the lookups when necessary
[19:09] <Azelphur> ah o.O
[19:09] <directhex> yep
[19:09] <mattt> Azelphur: you may have a configuration specifying root name servers, but that should be it i'd imagine
[19:10] <mattt> <-- not a dns pro
[19:10] <directhex> you forward requests that you can't resolve locally
[19:10] <Azelphur> fun
[19:10] <directhex> that's how your router works - i.e. 192.168.1.254 is running a DNS resolver which forwards requests to your ISP if they're not internal
[19:11] <mattt> and if you're running an authoritative name service, you'd need to set up glue records w/ your registrar i believe
[19:45] <Supermanintights> hey lads, what's the command to restart the wifi thign?
[19:45] <Supermanintights> it's not connecting to my wifi for some reason
[19:49] <nothingspecial> sudo service networking restart
[19:49] <nothingspecial> ?
[19:49] <Supermanintights> i remember it being something different - wific or something like that
[19:49] <Supermanintights> but can't think what it was
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> networkmanager maybe
[19:50] <Supermanintights> it's not my day with computers - i can't log into betfair or anything right now
[19:50] <popey> sudo service network-manager restart
[19:50] <Supermanintights> cheers popey
[19:51] <Supermanintights> still not connecting wirelessly which is annoying
[19:51] <popey> did it used to work and now doesn't?
[19:51] <Supermanintights> i don't want to restart as it means playing with the extender again which takes a while
[19:51] <Supermanintights> yeah
[19:51] <Supermanintights> never had a problem
[19:51] <Supermanintights> only today
[19:51] <Supermanintights> just tried to connect for ages
[19:51] <penguin42> does network manager still show the wireless device and the networks?
[19:51] <Supermanintights> then came up with the password bar
[19:51] <Supermanintights> sure
[19:52] <Supermanintights> it's exactly how it should be
[19:52] <Supermanintights> only it won't connect, tries for 5 minutes then shows the password bar
[19:52] <penguin42> could look at /var/log/wpa-supplicant (something like that)
[19:52] <Supermanintights> (password definitely correct - tested it on iphone and galaxy note)
[19:52] <nothingspecial> Supermanintights, sometimes unloading and reloading the wireless module helps
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: /var/log/syslog
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> or just restarting the machine
[19:52] <Supermanintights> i'd only just restarted to get to this point
[19:52] <Supermanintights> ok
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> if that doesn't fix it, it's probably something wrong at the wifi router end
[19:53] <Supermanintights> i'll try a restart (and hope)
[19:53] <Supermanintights> MartijnVdS, even if my note/iphone are connecting fine?
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: hmm, that's strange then
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: have you tried going to the network preferences (click on the wifi icon in the top bar, "Edit connections"), then deleting the connection for your wifi network?
[19:53] <Supermanintights> no, but will do that now MartijnVdS
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: and then reconnecting (making sure you type the security key correctly of course ;))
[19:54] <Supermanintights> sure
[19:54] <brobostigon> show password, box, is useful for checking,
[19:54] <Supermanintights> we've changed the security key so it's simple to know if it's right or not
[19:55] <Supermanintights> would you recommend going through "add" connection, or just clicking the router in the list under the network manager?
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> second one
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> clicking it in the list
[19:56] <Supermanintights> :( not looking promising
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: /var/log/syslog should tell you what's going on
[19:56] <Supermanintights> i just retested on my phone - and it's defo working - my phone is constantly telling me i got new email, adn i've disactivated all data connections
[19:56] <Supermanintights> how do I load/copy that?
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: click on the Ubuntu logo (top left), then type "log", it should offer a log file viewer option
[19:57] <Supermanintights> syslog or syslog.1?
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> syslog, syslog.1 is yesterday's log
[19:59] <Supermanintights> http://paste.ubuntu.com/812253/
[19:59] <Supermanintights> the network i want is NewCavendishBasement
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> does the access point have MAC address filters set up? So only "allowed" mac addresses can connect?
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> (and is the PC's address in it?)
[20:01] <Supermanintights> nope
[20:01] <Supermanintights> we run a serviced apartments - so that's not viable to run that
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> The software isn't getting replies from the access point for connection requests
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> so either it's too far away (low signal on the access point end -- it's not receiving packets from your machine)
[20:04] <Supermanintights> it's 2.5 metres away
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> or it's in some kind of weird "hole" in the coverage
[20:04] <Supermanintights> i'm connected via wired
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> OK so it shouldn't be a problem
[20:04] <Supermanintights> i did have a couple of issues on windows
[20:04]  * MartijnVdS is out of ideas
[20:04] <Supermanintights> but it soon fixed itself
[20:04] <Supermanintights> this is very like the problem i had last time i used ubuntu
[20:04] <Supermanintights> which happened between 10.10 and 11.4 i believe
[20:05] <Supermanintights> natty/maverick
[20:05] <Supermanintights> i spent weeks trying to sort it - no internet at all (couldn't use wired then)
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> what kind of wifi chip do you have?
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> is the AP set to WPA-only or WPA2-only or mixed? CCMP? TKIP? Both?
[20:06] <Supermanintights> erm
[20:06] <Supermanintights> it's a realtek RTL912E
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> Some cards have issues with WPA2 or CCMP
[20:06] <Supermanintights> or something along those lines
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> realtek :)
[20:06] <Supermanintights> and as for your second question(s)?
[20:06] <Supermanintights> not a monkeys
[20:06] <Supermanintights> couldn't tell you if i spent 3 hours looking it up
[20:06] <Supermanintights> realtek = bad? :(
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> it should be a dropdown box in the settings page on the wifi router
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> or a checkbox
[20:07] <Supermanintights> erm
[20:07] <Supermanintights> sec
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> WPA, WPA2, or "WPA/WPA2 mixed"
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> and TKIP / CCMP (or "AES") the same
[20:07] <Supermanintights> http://paste.ubuntu.com/812262/
[20:07] <Supermanintights> ??
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> Nothing there.. hmm
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> isn't there a specific "wireless security" page?
[20:08] <Supermanintights> there are more pages
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> where you also set the password
[20:08] <popey> ⍨ sky
[20:09] <Supermanintights> :P
[20:09] <Supermanintights> MartijnVdS,  - lots of pages
[20:09] <Supermanintights> set password page has nothing other than old/new password text boxes
[20:09] <Supermanintights> http://paste.ubuntu.com/812263/
[20:09] <Supermanintights> from security page
[20:10] <popey> isnt that the security of the router itself, the admin pages
[20:10] <popey> not security of the network
[20:10] <Supermanintights> ah
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> what popey said :)
[20:10] <Supermanintights> my bad, looked too deep, and yes you're right
[20:10] <Supermanintights> http://paste.ubuntu.com/812264/
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: "Security options" - what's that set to atm?
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: ah WPA2-PSK
[20:11] <Supermanintights> (AES)
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> try setting it to WPA/WPA2-PSK (Mixed Mode), that should work with more
[20:12] <Supermanintights> ok
[20:12] <Supermanintights> i'm just waiting for the irritating moment where i get phone calls from guests moaning about their wifi
[20:12] <Supermanintights> still doesn't seem to be connecting :(
[20:13] <popey> delete the connection and recreate it in network manager
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> :(
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> Good one
[20:13] <Supermanintights> again - because i changed settings?
[20:13] <Supermanintights> and does that mean "add" connection?
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: no, it's just clicking it from  the menu (again)
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> same as last time
[20:13] <Supermanintights> ok
[20:13] <Supermanintights> (i know might sound stupid - was just checking)
[20:14] <popey> bah, optical drive in sisters computer is busted
[20:14] <Supermanintights> fml... how can it just stop working for no good reason? :(
[20:14] <popey> and it has 3 options for usb boot (USB-FDD, USB-ZIP, USB-CDROM)
[20:14] <popey> none of which work with my usb stick that i just made with unetbootin
[20:14] <Supermanintights> mine is USB-FDD - that works
[20:15] <penguin42> popey: Yeuch, I've seen some USB sticks that can pretend to be USB-FDD, but they're a bit rare
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: USB-ZIP should
[20:15] <Supermanintights> MartijnVdS, popey  -  same problem, tries to connect, times out after a few minutes, tells me i need verification.  100% - the password is correct, i can see it in the settings on sky...
[20:16] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Is this on 5.x or 2.4GHz ?
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: Most card readers pretend to be USB-ZIP, maybe an SD card will work?
[20:16] <Supermanintights> what about changing channel etc?
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: 2.4
[20:16] <Supermanintights> :s
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: you could try, but I don't think that's the problem
[20:16] <penguin42> hmm, had some problems on 5.x
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I have a dual-mode AP, works fine on my laptop
[20:16] <Supermanintights> i'll leave it then - i don't want to have to go back up and get the guest to let me in so i can fix the extender
[20:21] <Supermanintights> any suggestions on what i can do to get this fixed?
[20:22] <Supermanintights> i'll post a bug or something if need be - but last time I did, no one got back to me or updated it
[20:22] <popey> Supermanintights: how did you delete the network connection?
[20:22] <Supermanintights> edit, delete
[20:22] <Supermanintights> in dropdown
[20:22] <popey> ok
[20:22] <popey> other stuff can connect okay?
[20:23] <popey> you can see dhcp leases being used on the access point?
[20:23] <Supermanintights> ???
[20:23] <popey> guests can connect okay?
[20:23] <Supermanintights> that's over my head, last part
[20:23] <Supermanintights> yeah, well no complaints
[20:23] <Supermanintights> so yeah
[20:23] <popey> ip addresses have been given out by the device
[20:23] <popey> do you have a phone that has wifi?
[20:23] <Supermanintights> yeah
[20:23] <Supermanintights> restarting that now to test
[20:23] <popey> does that work?
[20:23] <Supermanintights> yes
[20:24] <popey> bah, this usb stick wont boot at all
[20:24] <Supermanintights> works perfectly fine
[20:24] <Supermanintights> definitely a laptop issue - but what, i'm not sure.
[20:24] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Reboot
[20:24] <penguin42> popey: netboot is probably you're only way
[20:24] <Supermanintights> ok, i'll try a reboot
[20:24] <Supermanintights> boot into normal ubuntu?
[20:25] <Supermanintights> or one of the test/safemode versions?
[20:25] <popey> test/safe isnt worth using imo
[20:25] <Supermanintights> ok
[20:25] <Supermanintights> what about windows
[20:25] <Supermanintights> should i test it on there?
[20:25] <Supermanintights> see if it's a ubuntu or laptop problem?
[20:25] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Just try a simple reboot 1st
[20:25] <Supermanintights> ok
[20:25] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Back into ubuntu
[20:25] <Supermanintights> back in 5
[20:25] <Supermanintights> thanks loads for help btw
[20:28] <Supermanintights> hmmm... i could have made my life so much simpler with a restart by the looks of it...
[20:29] <popey> hahah
[20:29] <popey> loser!
[20:29] <popey> ☺
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> ?
[20:29] <penguin42> Supermanintights: well, still shouldn't have been needed
[20:30] <popey> indeed
[20:31] <popey> bah
[20:31] <popey> bios boot menu only lists floppy, hard disk, cdrom
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> popey: no booty?
[20:31] <popey> usb isnt mentioned, yet it is in the bios
[20:31] <Supermanintights> ethernet cable unplugged - can you guys see these messages?
[20:31] <Supermanintights> silence fills me with little confidence :(
[20:31] <Supermanintights> fml
[20:31] <Supermanintights> well i'm getting skype messages and chrome works - so i'm assuming you guys are being mean and letting me get worried somethings still wrong - but regardless - it's working now - thanks :D
[20:31] <popey> yes Supermanintights
[20:32] <popey> they came through in a flood
[20:32] <Supermanintights> woah
[20:32] <penguin42> popey: What type of machine is this PoS ?
[20:32] <Supermanintights> all those messages came through super fast (AFTER i plugged cable back in :S)
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> it sounds 2002-2003ish
[20:33] <popey> penguin42: acer
[20:33] <popey> bios date is 2005
[20:33] <popey> mobo is a F661GX
[20:33] <penguin42> popey: Hmm, boot from hard disk should work with a thumb drive
[20:33] <penguin42> popey: From USB thumb
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> does it have a floppy drive
[20:33] <popey> no
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> and no netboot either? (boot rom is usually separate from all other boot options on older boards)
[20:34] <popey> i cant be arsed to setup netboot
[20:34] <penguin42> yeh, do you get any bios messages from the network card during boot?
[20:34] <popey> i dont have pxe boot server setup and whenever i try it takes ages and lots of fiddling
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> popey: Then it's screwdriver time -> CD/DVD-player transplantation
[20:35]  * hamitron finds that with usb booting
[20:35] <popey> case is already apart
[20:35] <popey> pondering yanking the hdd and doing the install on another box then moving the hdd back
[20:36] <penguin42> nod
[20:36] <Supermanintights> i think it's gone down again actually :S
[20:36] <popey> but it's PATA
[20:36] <hamitron> isn't there an image to write to a partition, for OEM install?
[20:36] <Supermanintights> is anyone else having flood problems with IRC?
[20:37] <penguin42> no
[20:37] <popey> Supermanintights: no
[20:37] <Supermanintights> sigh... i'm just going to close my eyes, pretend there are no problems, and worry about it when it breaks completely.
[20:37] <popey> this desktop is a celeron D
[20:37] <popey> ⍨
[20:39] <penguin42> popey: The luxury
[20:40] <popey> ooh
[20:40] <popey> the desktop sat under it has a pata DVD drive
[20:40]  * popey fiddles cables
[20:44] <popey> desktop on side with IDE and power cable coming out the side through to desktop underneath
[20:44] <popey> win
[20:45] <popey> hmmm
[20:45] <popey> suspect dodgy cd now
[20:45] <popey> gets as far as ISOLINUX 4.04 and then light goes out and it stops booting, exactly as it does with internal CDROM drive
[20:46] <zleap> can i attach screenshots to bug reports ?
[20:46] <popey> further this time
[20:46] <popey> yes zleap
[20:47] <popey> loading bootlogo...
[20:47] <popey> then nothing
[20:47] <zleap> ok cool,  will submit a possible typo, ok its with the upgrade from 11.04 to 11.04 but given its an info dialog box it may end up in the next upgrade path
[20:48] <popey> whats the bug?
[20:48] <zleap> in the screen that says do you want to start the upgrade
[20:49] <zleap> it says it can take several hours then says "one the download has finished it the process be cancelled"
[20:49] <zleap> it says it can take several hours then says "once the download has finished it the process be cancelled"
[20:50] <popey> ah
[20:50] <zleap> for get the "it" part,
[20:50] <zleap> ok as I have never filed a bug report anyway it will be a good reason to learn
[20:51] <popey> i see more than one issue there
[20:51] <popey> 'the process be cancelled'
[20:52] <zleap> ok hold on i can't copy very well
[20:53] <zleap> once the download has finished the process cannot be cancelled
[20:53] <popey> whats wrong with that?
[20:54] <zleap> it just didn't sound right,
[20:54] <popey> its accurate
[20:54] <zleap> ok
[20:54] <popey> once you finish downloading the actual upgrade itself starts, that's the point of no return
[20:54] <zleap> ah
[20:55] <zleap> ok that makes more sense then
[20:55] <popey> bah, now the machine randomly boots from CD
[20:56] <zleap> is Paignton too far for people to travel to for a barcamp type event ?
[20:57] <popey> depends where they are coming from
[20:57] <zleap> ok
[20:57] <popey> now for io errors on the cd
[20:57] <popey> this doesn't bode well
[20:58] <popey> this is a professionally pressed cd from canonical
[20:58] <zleap> very early days yet,  I am trying to set up a group for young developers (11 - 18)  and it would be nice t see if we can get some sort of similar events organised
[20:58] <popey> i have less success with CDs from Canonical than I do from home-burns
[20:58] <popey> zleap: like YRS?
[20:58] <zleap> well this is more informal,  but I would hope that what we do can lead in to people attending YRS,  esp as they have one in exeter
[20:59] <popey> why not do it as part of YRS?
[20:59] <zleap> i want to get young people together,  who either want to start,  or enjoy programming so they can learn together and help each other,
[21:00] <zleap> this would be a more regular group so meeting say once a week
[21:01] <zleap> its in the idea / planning stage,   at my local youth centre (newly opened) they like the idea as it would appeal to a different group
[21:03] <zleap> so they have macs at the moment but we can install things like scratch,  kids ruby,  and hopefully things like python
[21:04] <popey> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1610031 hmmmmm
[21:06] <popey> ok, tried two drives, try two disks, boot failure most of the time
[21:06] <ubuntubhoy> I sometimes get that with UnetBootin
[21:06] <ubuntubhoy> need to leave the USB out and the netbook off for a bit before it will work
[21:06] <popey> ISOLINUX failed with Disk error 80, AX = 4280, drive 9F
[21:07] <popey> which is delightful
[21:09] <bigcalm> [[WARNING]] php.ini has short_open_tag set to off: FAILED
[21:09] <bigcalm>             *** Set it to off in php.ini ***
[21:09] <bigcalm> Symfony 1.4 pre-install check sillyness
[21:10] <jacobw> hmm, looking at a green on black display for too long makes white look pink :|
[21:10] <Myrtti> pink mentioned
[21:11] <bigcalm> Heh
[21:11] <jacobw> :)
[21:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Lord] OT: Chillies 2012 - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2012/01/21/ot-chillies-2012/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ot-chillies-2012
[21:15] <zleap> well 11.10 looks pretty good so far :)
[21:16] <zleap> being able to get to show desktop from alt-tab is great
[21:16] <AlanBell> mmmm chillies
[21:22] <jacobw> what's the use case of show desktop?
[21:23] <jacobw> assuming your not using ~/Desktop to store files or icons
[21:26] <Lcawte> Sometimes I really love Ubuntu... I just set my sisters desktop up with it, and put an sshd on there... what fun I can have..
[21:26] <AlanBell> daubers: my fuse driver kind of works \o/
[21:26] <zleap> well its good to quickly move to a blank empty desktop (ok got icons on there) but when there are several apps openits a good way to make sense from what can endup chaos
[21:26] <zleap> Lcawte, ssh in and type eject :)
[21:27] <jacobw> speech synthesisers are more fun
[21:27] <Lcawte> zleap: will that cause any damage that I'll have to go downstairs and fix (ie recovery console type stuff) or just reboot?
[21:28] <AlanBell> spd-say "initiating launch sequence"
[21:28] <jacobw> nope, it'll just pop out the optical media tray
[21:28] <zleap> it was more of a joke reminded me of what another user told me,  he did that and he ended up knocking a colleagues coffee cup off the desk
[21:28] <jacobw> haha
[21:29] <hamitron> serves him right for having it on the desk, when a special tray comes out of the comp for it
[21:29] <hamitron> ;)
[21:30] <popey> Finally got installer started for sisters computer
[21:31] <AlanBell> I think I am going to have to use regular expressions /o\
[21:31] <Lcawte> Hmm, is there any funky commands I can make to have a popup apear on my sisters screen or something
[21:31] <bigcalm> \o/
[21:31] <popey> Lcawte: notify-osd ?
[21:32] <popey> Lcawte: export DISPLAY=:0.0
[21:32] <popey> Lcawte: notify-send MOO
[21:33] <AlanBell> ^(.*/)?(?:$|(.+?)(?:(\.[^.]*$)|$)) really really doesn't look like it makes any sense at all
[21:34] <Laney> yeah regexes are important to comment well
[21:40] <AlanBell> oh, then again, I can use os.path
[21:43] <Lcawte> oh wow, spd-say is so weird
[21:44] <AlanBell> it is a front end to espeak and other synthesisers
[21:54] <gordonjcp> can you change espeak's "accent"?
[21:54] <AlanBell> yes
[21:54] <AlanBell> :)
[21:56] <AlanBell> hmm it is in there somewhere
[21:59] <directhex> can you make it sound like a snooty frenchman?
[21:59] <directhex> hon hon hon!
[22:00] <AlanBell> yeah, but I am looking for scottish
[22:01] <AlanBell> spd-say -l fr "bonjour, je m'appelle directhex"
[22:04] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: hm, it doesn't like things being piped to it...
[22:05] <AlanBell> spd-say -l en-sc "och aye the noo"
[22:05] <AlanBell> as scottish people never say
[22:06] <gordonjcp> wonder if you can do the singing trick like with festival?
[22:06] <directhex> gordonjcp, -e
[22:06] <directhex>               Pipe from stdin to stdout plus Speech Dispatcher
[22:07] <gordonjcp> http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/mp3s/robots.mp3 <- like that
[22:07] <AlanBell> spd-say -l en-wm "it can even do a brummie accent"
[22:19]  * brobostigon puts DSOTM on,
[22:20] <directhex> great gig in the sky and us&them are brilliant
[22:21] <brobostigon> :)
[22:24] <brobostigon> i am learning the drums, i would love to play the drums like nick mason. my favorite album though is piper at the gates of dawn.
[22:32] <gordonjcp> hrm, can't figure out how to set pitches in espeak, *yet*...
[22:34] <AlanBell> are you using espeak directly or through speech dispatcher?
[22:34] <AlanBell> it is -p directly
[22:35] <AlanBell> oh, it is -p from -100 to 100 through speech dispatcher, and 0 to 99 directly
[22:41] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: yeah but then I need to stitch together individual phonemes ;-)
[22:47] <brobostigon> us and them, the song, almost sometimes feels like it is describing autistics, and then everyone else, but then also saying, we are not so different afterall.
[22:48] <brobostigon> or something quite similer.
[22:58] <gordonjcp> sod it, the best I can do just now without lots of hackery is
[22:58] <gordonjcp> http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/mp3s/spd-pe.ogg
[22:58] <Azelphur> haha
[23:00] <bigcalm> Oh my goodness
[23:03] <Azelphur> A FIFO is a way for inter-process communication, right?
[23:04] <Azelphur> so you can have a daemon that's always running, and a command line tool that talks to the daemon
[23:05] <brobostigon> like adb in the android sdk, yes.
[23:05] <Azelphur> cool, time to play with that then :D
[23:51] <mattt> graphite is very cool