[00:31] Azelphur: since you are USB battery pack expert... do they pass through usb data? [00:31] I'm a what now? [00:31] like if you plug it into a PC to charge [00:31] xD [00:31] and then plug a phone into the device port [00:31] does the PC see the phone? [00:31] Very unlikely [00:31] I can check, but I doubt it [00:31] well you have one... didn;t you try it? [00:31] no because I don't use it for my phone? [00:31] xD [00:33] ali1234: nope it doesn't [00:33] ok thanks [02:14] [Jono Bacon] Community Team Goings On - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/21/community-team-goings-on/ [08:36] Hello [08:36] ? [08:55] morning all [08:56] morning [09:28] Morning [09:28] hullo popey [09:39] daubers: I think I can do dynamic files [09:45] as long as the filesize is at least 1 it will open, read, and check the filesize again [09:45] and I can report a bigger size after a read has happened and the client will read the rest of it [09:56] good morning everyone. === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [10:53] i have found an android prog, that can show me tv listings, however it requires an xmltv source, any ideas, where to look? please. [10:57] brobostigon: Can you use RSS feeds? They are still technically XML [10:58] How can I extract the contents of a subfolder to the folder which I am running the tar command from? It keeps making the subfolder in the directory that I run the tar command from when I just want the contents from the subfolder, not the subfolder itself. [10:58] kvarley: no idea, it only specifies xmltv input source. [11:06] have your computer generate one for you? [11:06] which android prog btw? [11:06] Myrtti: tvp. it is called. [11:06] generate one? how. [11:07] !info xmltv [11:07] xmltv (source: xmltv): Functionality related to the XMLTV file format for TV listings. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.59-1 (oneiric), package size 17 kB, installed size 244 kB [11:08] or if not generate, then atleast that may help you get forward [11:08] but I'll have a look [11:08] once my phone wakes up from its coma [11:08] ok, thank you. [11:09] I don't see any programme called tvp on the android market, could you give me a link? [11:10] one minute [11:10] https://market.android.com/details?id=com.ideamats.tvplanner.android ? [11:11] thats it, [11:14] [Tony] Big Blue Box - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/01/21/big-blue-box/ [11:15] Morning [11:27] oh man, this'll take FOREVER [11:28] daubers: what was the (3d?) graphics book you got called again? [11:37] aloha [11:37] hi czajkowski [11:37] hello czajkowski [11:38] hw folks? [11:38] ? [11:39] hows [11:39] clearly :) [11:39] !iphone keyboard-#ubuntu-offtopic [11:39] Dear Aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all. [11:40] AlanBell: wut? [11:40] factoid of the day [11:41] But sense! It makes none! [11:45] * chalcedony smiles [12:13] brobostigon: http://bleb.org/tv/data/listings [12:15] Myrtti: so i use that as the xmltv source url? [12:15] hold on, let me fiddle a bit more [12:15] ok. [12:16] thank you. [12:18] oh my dear god this app is horrible [12:18] can't paste an url? [12:18] seriously? [12:19] Myrtti: i havent had a good play yet, i just found it, just before i spoke here. [12:24] * Neoti right off to tesco it is for FOOD!!!!!! YIPEEEEEE!!!!! [12:26] Pfuh, who needs food [12:29] brobostigon: yeah, in theory if you have the patience to construct an URL with all the channels as that page instructs you should be able to get a file of the type you're looking for. [12:30] however I didn't have patience and I seem to be unable to refresh the channel list. [12:30] and the channel I did put doesn't show any listings. [12:31] you can create your own xmltv URLs by running the parsers yourself [12:31] but it's often messy [12:31] yes [12:32] so basically, you can do the same thing and host it on your own space, put it in a cronjob or something [12:32] ah, i see, ok. umm, let me think. [12:36] so i could use xmltv on my vps, to create said source, and then copy that into /var/www , and then pull that? [12:36] yup [12:37] and then as you said, create a custom cron job, to update it. [12:38] that's how mythtv does it I think [12:55] XMLTV requires a Date::Manip timezone of +0000 to work properly. [12:55] Current Date::Manip timezone is 1. [12:55] what does that mean? [12:56] your xmltv listings might be an hour out? [12:56] i am just configuring the grabber. [12:56] http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/HowtoUseGrabbers [12:57] i am on the download data, section. [12:58] probably need to look at reconfiguring Date::Manip [12:58] how do i do that? [12:59] brobostigon: might help: http://nice3z.myfinejob.com/date-manip-unable-determine-timezone [13:02] brobostigon: what OS and revision? [13:03] StevenR: 10.04.3 [13:09] Haz bacon [13:09] brobostigon: ah. the interweb suggests that there's a bug [13:09] StevenR: a solution? [13:10] not that I could see (the offered solution was "use the debian version") [13:11] the debian version of that perl package? [13:12] of xmltv [13:12] http://www.havetheknowhow.com/Install-the-software/MythTV-Date-Manip-bug.html [13:17] ok, thank you StevenR [13:19] daubers: python-fuse sucks at parsing command line arguments, but I have it working now [13:22] hustle s8e2 \o/ [13:24] brobostigon: after you've run, say, tv_grab_uk_rt --configure, tv_grab_uk_rt --config-file .xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt.conf --output tvlistings.xml --list-channels&&gzip tvlistings.xml and mv the .gz to /var/www - it probably needs to be done only once [13:25] I can't get it to show any listings tho [13:27] Myrtti: ok, thank you. let me try. [13:29] hmmm [13:29] brobostigon: yeah, I'll do that as well, there's something different with the australian listings, they actually work [13:31] I can see why === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [13:38] just need to create a crontab entry. [13:41] Myrtti: what would you suggest as a crontab entry? [13:41] 0 * * * * $HOME/bin/xmltv.sh [13:41] did you get it to list the programmes? [13:41] and then in xmltv.sh put: [13:41] #! /bin/bash [13:41] Myrtti: yes. [13:41] and the command you type to update the feed(s) [13:41] really? [13:41] Myrtti: it asked me which channels i wanted, [13:42] and you put the file in the app in android and it worked? [13:42] Myrtti: i am just tyring that. [13:42] try that before worrying about crontab [13:43] ok [13:44] because it didn't work for me [13:45] ok. [13:47] first check, that xml.gz is outside downloadable. [13:48] could this take a while? [13:52] oh man [13:55] Myrtti: ok. it has been going for just over ten minutes. not showing a result yet. [13:55] wow [13:56] brobostigon: is it doing anything? or is it just hanging on some server that's no longer there? [13:56] (is this the android app or the downloader thing on your iInux box) [13:56] that xml.gz is 4k. [13:57] MartijnVdS: i checked the xml.gz is accessable on my server, and it is. the android app is just hanging there, picking it up. [13:58] not picking* [13:58] brobostigon: check your access.log, see if it's even tried [13:58] good idea. minute. [14:00] nope, nothing, other than my test, to get the file with chromium. [14:00] and using the web browser on the phone, does that work? [14:00] minute. [14:02] MartijnVdS: android reports download failed. [14:04] weird. [14:07] brobostigon: nothing in access.log again? [14:08] MartijnVdS: let me check, but the browser can pick up my site, from apache on that same server. [14:08] brobostigon: it could be related to the .gz part and Apache trying to be smart [14:09] MartijnVdS: it is showing android trying to get the .xml.gz in access.log [14:10] working, weird, just restarted android. [14:12] stränge.. wifi vs 3g? [14:12] MartijnVdS: ok, it has the listings, however they are empty. [14:12] MartijnVdS: wifi. [14:13] i mean Myrtti, [14:13] sorry. [15:19] * brobostigon returns with beer in hand. [15:26] \o/ [15:26] * MartijnVdS sticks to tea for now [15:26] :) [15:27] * Neoti mack from tesco with a mighty feast and a freezer full of foody goodness..... Victory! [15:28] * brobostigon puts ST TUC on. [15:28] ie, ST6. [15:29] Ugh Klingons :) [15:29] TOS's idea of a cold war theme. [15:29] as nimoy put it, [15:29] yes, that [15:30] 's obvious [15:30] yes :) [15:30] * brobostigon wishes he has his good speaker connected to the tv, that he has connected to his computer. [15:30] hey all i would like some feedback on my blog http://phillipcooper.co.uk [15:31] speakers* === gary_ is now known as Guest40632 [16:08] Neoti: have you considered storing that information in wiki? [16:09] hummm ... no .... i might look in to that though .... i think it would be better then a blog .... something to think about ... [16:10] there's lots of useful information there, its just hard to navigate [16:14] cool... i'll look in to a wiki [16:35] evening [16:50] interesting how the enterprise A's engine room, looks almost exactly like that of the anterprise D. [16:52] brobostigon: What a coincidence that they filmed TUC while TNG was running ;) [16:52] MartijnVdS: exactly, :) [16:54] MartijnVdS: and the ready room ,being a redress of the officers mess. i mean, the other way round. [17:21] The bukkit projects licensing makes me want to stab them in the face [17:22] Azelphur: isn't Bukkit GPL? [17:22] MartijnVdS: "GPL", they get mad if you submit bugfixes and tell you that plugin authors code isn't GPL licensed [17:22] they also allow plugins to advertise that they are licensed under whatever they want, there are software plugins licensed under the CC [17:23] * Azelphur facepalms [17:23] ... [17:42] o/ ...& hi, peeps [17:42] howdy SuperEngineer [17:42] howdy 2u2 MartijnVdS [17:45] just posted what is probably my most heart felt tweet in ages... [17:45] "I have just had to use that microsoft OS [SatNav speedcam update]. What a relief to be back on Linux again ;)" [18:14] [Andrew] HowTo: Pack Gtk CellRenderers vertically in a Gtk TreeView - http://whyareyoureadingthisurl.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/howto-pack-gtk-cellrenderers-vertically-in-a-gtk-treeview/ === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [18:40] https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat is very funny [18:41] penguin42: R.. r.. ruby? [18:44] penguin42: cool talk [18:47] yeh [18:47] * MartijnVdS wants more now [18:49] hi [18:50] On my home network I would like others on it to be able to use my hostname instead of IP. How can I set this up? [18:51] grogoreo, all running linux/mac? [18:51] linux/windows [18:52] is it a case of routing my hostname and IP in /etc/hosts? [18:53] grogoreo, that's a bruteforce method of doing it. every host needs their /etc/hosts updated to know about every other machine [18:53] on windows, that's c:\system32\drivers\etc\hosts [18:53] bit ugly really [18:53] grogoreo: You should find from Linux you should be able to use name.local automatically with no change [18:53] otherwise, you have three self-configuring options [18:54] first is mdns-sd. on linux, you can contact a machine via "machinename.local" [18:54] e.g. "ssh desire.local" works on this network. this is set out of the box on linux [18:54] and on mac [18:54] for windows you need an mdns-sd daemon... apple's bonjour for windows is an option there [18:55] My router takes the DHCP-supplied hostname and adds it to its local DNS server [18:55] option 2 is using wins, i.e. using the windows fileshare protocol for name resolution. it's a bit hairy, but it allows you to contact machines in the same windows workgroup by name only [18:55] that'd be even better IF it works. very router-dependent [18:55] true [18:56] on linux, you install the windows fileshare server samba to broadcast your name, and you configure winbind support for name resolution to consume other machines' names [18:56] it can be a bit ropey though, e.g. broakage in thunderbird has been linked to wins issues [18:57] grogoreo: The other option is that your DSL/Cable/whatever router might have a DNS server in that you can set names on [18:58] right, thanks for all the info. Very helpful [18:59] oh, you could skip your router and install your own dnsmasq dhcp server, which can be configured to do what MartijnVdS described. nice & messy [19:03] Curiosity question, if you wanted to set up your own DNS server, where would you get the registry from? [19:06] Azelphur: say what now? [19:07] mattt: if you want a DNS server, surely you need a registry of all domains and what the records resolve to? [19:08] Azelphur: if you're running a caching name service, it'll just do the lookups when necessary [19:09] ah o.O [19:09] yep [19:09] Azelphur: you may have a configuration specifying root name servers, but that should be it i'd imagine [19:10] <-- not a dns pro [19:10] you forward requests that you can't resolve locally [19:10] fun [19:10] that's how your router works - i.e. 192.168.1.254 is running a DNS resolver which forwards requests to your ISP if they're not internal [19:11] and if you're running an authoritative name service, you'd need to set up glue records w/ your registrar i believe [19:45] hey lads, what's the command to restart the wifi thign? [19:45] it's not connecting to my wifi for some reason [19:49] sudo service networking restart [19:49] ? [19:49] i remember it being something different - wific or something like that [19:49] but can't think what it was [19:50] networkmanager maybe [19:50] it's not my day with computers - i can't log into betfair or anything right now [19:50] sudo service network-manager restart [19:50] cheers popey [19:51] still not connecting wirelessly which is annoying [19:51] did it used to work and now doesn't? [19:51] i don't want to restart as it means playing with the extender again which takes a while [19:51] yeah [19:51] never had a problem [19:51] only today [19:51] just tried to connect for ages [19:51] does network manager still show the wireless device and the networks? [19:51] then came up with the password bar [19:51] sure [19:52] it's exactly how it should be [19:52] only it won't connect, tries for 5 minutes then shows the password bar [19:52] could look at /var/log/wpa-supplicant (something like that) [19:52] (password definitely correct - tested it on iphone and galaxy note) [19:52] Supermanintights, sometimes unloading and reloading the wireless module helps [19:52] penguin42: /var/log/syslog [19:52] or just restarting the machine [19:52] i'd only just restarted to get to this point [19:52] ok [19:52] if that doesn't fix it, it's probably something wrong at the wifi router end [19:53] i'll try a restart (and hope) [19:53] MartijnVdS, even if my note/iphone are connecting fine? [19:53] Supermanintights: hmm, that's strange then [19:53] Supermanintights: have you tried going to the network preferences (click on the wifi icon in the top bar, "Edit connections"), then deleting the connection for your wifi network? [19:53] no, but will do that now MartijnVdS [19:54] Supermanintights: and then reconnecting (making sure you type the security key correctly of course ;)) [19:54] sure [19:54] show password, box, is useful for checking, [19:54] we've changed the security key so it's simple to know if it's right or not [19:55] would you recommend going through "add" connection, or just clicking the router in the list under the network manager? [19:55] second one [19:55] clicking it in the list [19:56] :( not looking promising [19:56] Supermanintights: /var/log/syslog should tell you what's going on [19:56] i just retested on my phone - and it's defo working - my phone is constantly telling me i got new email, adn i've disactivated all data connections [19:56] how do I load/copy that? [19:57] Supermanintights: click on the Ubuntu logo (top left), then type "log", it should offer a log file viewer option [19:57] syslog or syslog.1? [19:58] syslog, syslog.1 is yesterday's log [19:59] http://paste.ubuntu.com/812253/ [19:59] the network i want is NewCavendishBasement [20:00] does the access point have MAC address filters set up? So only "allowed" mac addresses can connect? [20:00] (and is the PC's address in it?) [20:01] nope [20:01] we run a serviced apartments - so that's not viable to run that [20:03] The software isn't getting replies from the access point for connection requests [20:03] so either it's too far away (low signal on the access point end -- it's not receiving packets from your machine) [20:04] it's 2.5 metres away [20:04] or it's in some kind of weird "hole" in the coverage [20:04] i'm connected via wired [20:04] OK so it shouldn't be a problem [20:04] i did have a couple of issues on windows [20:04] * MartijnVdS is out of ideas [20:04] but it soon fixed itself [20:04] this is very like the problem i had last time i used ubuntu [20:04] which happened between 10.10 and 11.4 i believe [20:05] natty/maverick [20:05] i spent weeks trying to sort it - no internet at all (couldn't use wired then) [20:05] what kind of wifi chip do you have? [20:05] is the AP set to WPA-only or WPA2-only or mixed? CCMP? TKIP? Both? [20:06] erm [20:06] it's a realtek RTL912E [20:06] Some cards have issues with WPA2 or CCMP [20:06] or something along those lines [20:06] realtek :) [20:06] and as for your second question(s)? [20:06] not a monkeys [20:06] couldn't tell you if i spent 3 hours looking it up [20:06] realtek = bad? :( [20:06] it should be a dropdown box in the settings page on the wifi router [20:07] or a checkbox [20:07] erm [20:07] sec [20:07] WPA, WPA2, or "WPA/WPA2 mixed" [20:07] and TKIP / CCMP (or "AES") the same [20:07] http://paste.ubuntu.com/812262/ [20:07] ?? [20:08] Nothing there.. hmm [20:08] isn't there a specific "wireless security" page? [20:08] there are more pages [20:08] where you also set the password [20:08] ⍨ sky [20:09] :P [20:09] MartijnVdS, - lots of pages [20:09] set password page has nothing other than old/new password text boxes [20:09] http://paste.ubuntu.com/812263/ [20:09] from security page [20:10] isnt that the security of the router itself, the admin pages [20:10] not security of the network [20:10] ah [20:10] what popey said :) [20:10] my bad, looked too deep, and yes you're right [20:10] http://paste.ubuntu.com/812264/ [20:11] Supermanintights: "Security options" - what's that set to atm? [20:11] Supermanintights: ah WPA2-PSK [20:11] (AES) [20:11] try setting it to WPA/WPA2-PSK (Mixed Mode), that should work with more [20:12] ok [20:12] i'm just waiting for the irritating moment where i get phone calls from guests moaning about their wifi [20:12] still doesn't seem to be connecting :( [20:13] delete the connection and recreate it in network manager [20:13] :( [20:13] Good one [20:13] again - because i changed settings? [20:13] and does that mean "add" connection? [20:13] Supermanintights: no, it's just clicking it from the menu (again) [20:13] same as last time [20:13] ok [20:13] (i know might sound stupid - was just checking) [20:14] bah, optical drive in sisters computer is busted [20:14] fml... how can it just stop working for no good reason? :( [20:14] and it has 3 options for usb boot (USB-FDD, USB-ZIP, USB-CDROM) [20:14] none of which work with my usb stick that i just made with unetbootin [20:14] mine is USB-FDD - that works [20:15] popey: Yeuch, I've seen some USB sticks that can pretend to be USB-FDD, but they're a bit rare [20:15] popey: USB-ZIP should [20:15] MartijnVdS, popey - same problem, tries to connect, times out after a few minutes, tells me i need verification. 100% - the password is correct, i can see it in the settings on sky... [20:16] Supermanintights: Is this on 5.x or 2.4GHz ? [20:16] popey: Most card readers pretend to be USB-ZIP, maybe an SD card will work? [20:16] what about changing channel etc? [20:16] penguin42: 2.4 [20:16] :s [20:16] Supermanintights: you could try, but I don't think that's the problem [20:16] hmm, had some problems on 5.x [20:16] penguin42: I have a dual-mode AP, works fine on my laptop [20:16] i'll leave it then - i don't want to have to go back up and get the guest to let me in so i can fix the extender [20:21] any suggestions on what i can do to get this fixed? [20:22] i'll post a bug or something if need be - but last time I did, no one got back to me or updated it [20:22] Supermanintights: how did you delete the network connection? [20:22] edit, delete [20:22] in dropdown [20:22] ok [20:22] other stuff can connect okay? [20:23] you can see dhcp leases being used on the access point? [20:23] ??? [20:23] guests can connect okay? [20:23] that's over my head, last part [20:23] yeah, well no complaints [20:23] so yeah [20:23] ip addresses have been given out by the device [20:23] do you have a phone that has wifi? [20:23] yeah [20:23] restarting that now to test [20:23] does that work? [20:23] yes [20:24] bah, this usb stick wont boot at all [20:24] works perfectly fine [20:24] definitely a laptop issue - but what, i'm not sure. [20:24] Supermanintights: Reboot [20:24] popey: netboot is probably you're only way [20:24] ok, i'll try a reboot [20:24] boot into normal ubuntu? [20:25] or one of the test/safemode versions? [20:25] test/safe isnt worth using imo [20:25] ok [20:25] what about windows [20:25] should i test it on there? [20:25] see if it's a ubuntu or laptop problem? [20:25] Supermanintights: Just try a simple reboot 1st [20:25] ok [20:25] Supermanintights: Back into ubuntu [20:25] back in 5 [20:25] thanks loads for help btw [20:28] hmmm... i could have made my life so much simpler with a restart by the looks of it... [20:29] hahah [20:29] loser! [20:29] ☺ [20:29] ? [20:29] Supermanintights: well, still shouldn't have been needed [20:30] indeed [20:31]