[00:00] <brousch> yeah i spent 45mins changing all my passwords earlier today
[01:38] <tjagoda> brousch: is it just me
[01:38] <tjagoda> or have more placed been getting cracked recently
[01:38] <tjagoda> ?
[01:38] <tjagoda> Like, are we ready to blame the North Koreans yet or something?
[02:39] <_stink_> has anyone else had the sun java plugin for firefox suddenly stop working?
[02:39] <_stink_> i have a lucid machine and a maverick machine both run into this in like the last day
[02:39] <_stink_> and dpkg -c on the .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ doesn't look quite right
[02:40] <_stink_> going to the plugins list in firefox doesn't even show java.
[02:40] <_stink_> i have icedtea crap totally purged.
[02:42] <_stink_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java#Oracle_.28Sun.29_Java_6
[02:42] <_stink_> maybe it's totally deprecated.
[02:43] <_stink_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2011-December/001528.html
[02:43] <_stink_> yep, the plugin is disabled intentionally
[02:43] <_stink_> WHY DIDN'T I KNOW THIS ALREADY
[02:43] <_stink_> </fake rage>
[02:46] <snap-l> _stink_: It's not like soemone didn't post in channel that things were changing for Java. ;)
[02:46] <snap-l> Like, oh, I dunno... me?
[02:46] <_stink_> i must be totally failing to read the scrollback!
[02:47] <snap-l> tsk
[02:47] <nixternal> widox: 1
[02:47] <nixternal> grr
[02:47] <snap-l> You should be able to recall every letter I type with crisp accuracy
[02:47] <nixternal> stupid byobu
[02:48] <_stink_> my choices are to: (1) read ubuntu mailing lists :| or (2) read all #ubuntu-us-mi scrollback for snap-l's lines
[02:48] <nixternal> disregard that widox, didn't / before wi in irssi and hit tab
[02:48] <snap-l> _stink_: Well, since you missed it in both, you'll need to rethink your plan of attack
[02:48] <_stink_> heh, yes.  like do (2).
[02:49] <_stink_> hi, my name is Java, and I call what everyone else calls the 'JRE' by the name 'Java SE', just to mess with you.
[02:49] <snap-l> We'll need to strategize a plan of improvement
[02:49] <jjesse> hi java
[02:49] <_stink_> snap-l: you can be like my employer and ask me to write it :P
[02:49] <snap-l> Wel, there's the JRE in Java SE, but then there's the JDK
[02:49] <snap-l> _stink_: But of course
[02:49] <jjesse> nixternal,  how is snowmagedon treating you?
[02:49] <snap-l> and then I won't read it
[02:50] <_stink_> is Java SE different in some way from just the JRE?
[02:50] <nixternal> we got about 8 inches probably
[02:50] <_stink_> dang
[02:50] <snap-l> _stink_: Java SE includes the JRE
[02:50] <jjesse> nice we have about 6
[02:50] <nixternal> far from snowmagedon
[02:50] <snap-l> and the JDK includes the JRE
[02:50] <_stink_> oh oh
[02:50] <jjesse> plow truck just showed up at house so it must be done for night
[02:50] <_stink_> snap-l: ok, gotcha, thanks.
[02:50] <snap-l> and quite frankly you're better off using OpenJDK
[02:50] <_stink_> this is why i liked apt-get install sun-java6-plugin.
[02:50] <nixternal> used the leaf blower to remove 5 inches earlier and there is anywhere from 3 to 4 inches out there again
[02:50] <jjesse> leaf blower?
[02:50] <snap-l> because Oracle is fat with cocks they've choked upon
[02:51] <_stink_> snap-l: openjdk barfs on our horrible VPN.
[02:51] <_stink_> that deserves to die
[02:51] <nixternal> it is light powdery snow
[02:51] <jjesse> ah iterating wouldn't have thought about that
[02:51] <nixternal> leaf blower blows the snow like a champ
[02:51] <snap-l> _stink_: My condoleces both-ways
[02:51] <jjesse> co-worker drove down to chicago  for his wife's birthday
[02:51] <_stink_> *tear*
[02:51] <jjesse> and barely got there
[02:51] <nixternal> he is stuck here tonight if he went to the city
[02:54] <jjesse> yeah he went to the city
[02:54] <jjesse> weekend get away
[02:56] <nixternal> is it still snowing by you?
[02:56] <jjesse> yeah not bad though
[02:58] <nixternal> 7.5" according to our precip gauge, and that bastard is dead accurate
[02:58] <nixternal> better be for $750
[02:58] <jjesse> wow
[02:58] <nixternal> weather geeks ftw :)
[03:07] <tjagoda> I can buy a lot of things for $750
[03:07] <tjagoda> Weather Precipitation Gauges would not have been factored onto that list =(
[03:11] <jjesse> looks like all the worse came south of grand rapids
[03:11] <nixternal> heh, $3,500 just for the main weather station itself
[03:11] <nixternal> had to pay $750 to get snowfall device
[03:12] <nixternal> and that is wired, not even wireless. though it connects to a server and we can access the data that way
[03:12] <nixternal> only thing i am missing is my own dopplar device. one of these days
[03:13] <jjesse> wow
[03:14] <nixternal> then everyone in the hood knows the local weather via wunderground and a couple of local underground weather sites
[03:18] <greg-g> that's awesome
[03:19] <snap-l> nixternal: Yeah, JODee and I want to do that too
[03:23] <nixternal> snap-l: dude, it is like crack
[03:23] <nixternal> if you guys do decide, research like crazy, and never go cheap
[03:24] <nixternal> cheap either leaves you wanting more (best case scenario), or leaves you having to purchase new stuff because the cheap stuff failed
[03:24] <nixternal> i know we have probably paid $10k over the years because we started with crap
[03:25] <nixternal> and if you can do it, always do wired. nothing like losing a wireless connection due to all of the lightning in the area or heavy rain/snow fall
[03:25] <greg-g> nixternal: link to your wunderunground station?
[03:25] <nixternal> plus, wired is cheaper, but better in this case
[03:28] <nixternal> http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KILSCHAU9
[03:29] <nixternal> don't know what i did, but wunderground is the mobile edition in my browser :/
[03:31] <nixternal> yikes, i hosed da browser somehow. greg-g does that say "Schaumburg West" for the weather station?
[03:31] <nixternal> and don't report it for bad data :D
[03:47] <snap-l> Yeah: Schaumburg West, Schaumburg, IL
[03:48] <nixternal> i need to change that one of these days. we haven't been schaumburg west for a couple of years now, but it doesn't matter i don't think
[03:49] <snap-l> Lat: N 42 ° 1 ' 11 '' ( 42.020 ° )
[03:49] <snap-l> Lon: W 88 ° 8 ' 20 '' ( -88.139 ° )
[03:49] <snap-l> Are those accurate?
[03:49] <nixternal> they were accurate, that is the my old streamwood house
[03:49] <snap-l> Yeah, you might want to change them
[03:49] <snap-l> because it'll report it at the wrong location
[03:50] <nixternal> it's a whopping .5 miles east of there now
[03:50]  * snap-l hits report. :)
[03:50] <nixternal> haha
[03:50] <nixternal> someone else did that last year
[03:50] <snap-l> Probably because they wants reports. :)
[03:51] <nixternal> i think they were out to steal our equipment. how else would you know that it isn't in that location unless you went snooping for it?
[03:51] <snap-l> I hovered over it,thinking it might have more data.
[03:54] <nixternal> we have another guy in the area that has a rig that the local news could use. so with that, i was thinking to sell our equipment and get something for the car. this summer we did a couple of tornado chases with nothing more than a laptop & cell phones. it worked, but damn it was slow
[03:54] <nixternal> especially since we were using a verizon 3g mifi device to stream the dash cam
[03:54] <snap-l> Heh
[03:55] <snap-l> My sister-in-law is in love with Reed Timmer
[03:55] <snap-l> Reid, whatever.
[03:57] <nixternal> screw reid
[03:57] <nixternal> he took my girl man
[03:57] <nixternal> ginger zee is a friend and she used to be fun to hang out with back in the day. then she hooked up with him & has been useless ever since
[03:58] <nixternal> so much so that she left chicago for new york and good morning america
[03:59] <nixternal> some of the best meteorology classes i took were from her. and now we have the lame professor back after she left :D
[03:59] <snap-l> Not a fan of the hometown girl makes it big?
[03:59] <nixternal> actually she is jjesse's hometown girl
[04:00] <nixternal> i am not a fan of that idiot reid taking one of the hottest women on the planet off the market
[04:00] <snap-l> DOn't trust anyone on TV anyway. They're all looking for their next big gig
[04:00] <snap-l> Well, if my sis-in-law has anything to do about it, she'll be back in Chigago
[04:00] <nixternal> actually, she wasn't. she was good and is highly respected. though that could be because of how she looks
[04:00] <snap-l> looking for some nixxie
[04:00] <nixternal> haha
[04:01] <nixternal> i don't know what it is about nbc5 chicago and weather ladies the past 5 years, but they are all drop dead gorgeous
[04:05] <nixternal> http://j.mp/zXGAtH - whoa, that guy sat next to me at our high school graduation
[04:05] <snap-l> Is there anyone in Chicago that you don't know?
[04:06] <snap-l> Sheesh, you hung out with Oprah, even. :)
[04:06] <nixternal> your mom
[04:06] <snap-l> That's eas: my mom isn't in Chicago
[04:06] <nixternal> that was because dad had to take me and my brother to work when we were kids
[04:06] <snap-l> and she doesn't even like the band Chicago, so there. :)
[04:06] <nixternal> hehe
[04:07] <nixternal> oprah fired my dad when she did the whole "i am only hiring minorities and women" thing in the late 80s
[04:07] <nixternal> otherwise known as "when oprah switched to union workers"
[04:07] <snap-l> Nice
[04:08] <nixternal> this is actually no joke, but i only met her one time, and she yelled at my brother & I for running around the studio. if she only knew what we were doing when we weren't running around the stuido
[04:08] <nixternal> studio
[04:09] <nixternal> did you know that if you put coffee in a stryofoam cup and put it in a microwave for 5 or 10 minutes it will catch on fire?
[04:10] <snap-l> nhttp://static.arstechnica.net/assets/2012/01/microsoft_store_at_oakbrook_mall-4f1893a-intro-thumb-640xauto-29561.jpg <- is this really what a Microsoft Store looks like?
[04:11] <snap-l> I thought they just photoshopped that Simon-ripoff on an Apple Store
[04:11] <nixternal> that's it
[04:11] <nixternal> it is in the oakbrook terrace outdoor mall
[04:11] <nixternal> right next door to holister
[04:11] <snap-l> Wow, incredibly lame
[04:11] <snap-l> nixternal: Never put styrofoam in the microwave.
[04:11] <nixternal> no, incredibly lame is when they denied me access for wearing a linux t-shirt on opening day
[04:11] <snap-l> nixternal: Haw
[04:12] <snap-l> I've been in an Apple store with a Linux shirt
[04:12] <snap-l> They didn't say boo to me, although they did seem a bit nervous
[04:12] <nixternal> i have to, also been in an apple store with a radiation suit on
[04:12] <nixternal> they kicked me out too
[04:12] <snap-l> like I was going to suddenly don a bunny suit and start singing the FSF song
[04:12] <nixternal> then had me arrested for sticking the "DRM Inside" stickers on their windows
[04:13] <snap-l> nixternal: Dude, seriously?
[04:13] <nixternal> chicago cops took me a couple of the other chicago lug guys around the corner and released us
[04:13] <nixternal> temporarily arrested just to satisfy the mactards
[04:13] <snap-l> You are insane.
[04:13] <snap-l> so are you banned from the Apple store?
[04:14] <nixternal> wish the chiglug site was still up and the photo gallery. good pics of me in the yellow FSF radiation suit in the store, outside of the store, in teh back of a police car
[04:14] <nixternal> that thing sucked. i smelled like stallman when it was all over with and i took it off
[04:14] <snap-l> Well, yeah
[04:14] <snap-l> they're not designed for comfort
[04:15] <snap-l> or breathability
[04:15] <nixternal> it was a fake one, but still, it was really a yellow rain suit with the helmet thing
[04:15] <nixternal> it looked real at a distance
[04:16] <nixternal> but up close you can tell the FSF only paid like $3 for each kit to send out to all LUGs who were GLUGs. had to be a GNU Linux Users Group
[04:16] <nixternal> we changed the name just to get the suits
[04:16] <nixternal> and to get stallman to come to chicago and hangout for a weekend
[04:16] <snap-l> Man, we're just way too laid back up here
[04:16] <nixternal> that dude is a ripoff. he doesn't believe in anything except expensive ass hotels
[04:17] <nixternal> heh, we are so laid back we don't even have a lug anymore
[04:17] <snap-l> Well, he lives in hotels, afaict
[04:17] <nixternal> there is nothing opensource/linux wise anymore. nobody cares
[04:17] <nixternal> it is all programming languages now. pretty much either ruby or python with a large ios and android community
[04:18] <snap-l> We still have a thtiving UNIX grou
[04:18] <nixternal> yeah, you won't find that here anymore. not that many linux users anymore
[04:18] <nixternal> most switched to macs
[04:19] <snap-l> nBah
[04:25] <nixternal> time 4 bed. g'nite
[11:53] <mydogsnameisrudy> -5 this fine morning
[12:04] <brousch> i'm sitting across from my son at the table. he dropped a cheerio and it fell on my foot. it is very cold and wet
[12:04] <brousch> he is cracking up
[12:07] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmm you got a dog?
[12:08] <mydogsnameisrudy> the dog might want it ...
[12:13] <brousch> 2 dogs
[12:13] <mydogsnameisrudy> oh now what need more cheerio's
[15:38]  * Wolfger crosses his fingers...
[15:38] <Wolfger> just applied for that LP position
[15:45] <snap-l> Wolfger: Awesome!
[15:45] <snap-l> I wish you the best of luck!
[15:51] <tjagoda> Yay snow
[16:32] <Wolfger> tjagoda: you like snow so much, I'll let you come shovel mine
[16:32]  * Wolfger is in a hibernating mood.
[16:33] <tjagoda> lol
[16:35] <Wolfger> ... and right on cue, without knowing what I'm typing, wife say "you gonna go out and do the snow?"
[16:35] <tjagoda> lol
[16:36] <Wolfger> tjagoda: you every put in your app for that LP job?
[16:36] <tjagoda> I did
[16:36] <tjagoda> I have not heard anything
[16:36] <Wolfger> Well, good luck. I just submitted this morning as well.
[16:48] <tjagoda> Ubuntu-us-mi shall dominate the canonical employment scene.
[16:53] <brousch> don't we already?
[16:54] <tjagoda> We have two
[16:55] <tjagoda> I dont know if that counts as dominate?
[17:20] <Wolfger> I thought we had 3
[17:21] <Wolfger> jcastro, rick_h, and smoser?
[17:26] <tjagoda> I dont know who/what smoser is
[17:29] <rick_h> also have DBO
[17:32] <snap-l> tjagoda: If you wnt to MUG you'd know who smoser is
[17:32] <snap-l> at least, when he shows up. :)
[17:32] <tjagoda> http://www.geekologie.com/2012/01/fujitsu-lifebook-the-conceptual-laptop-w.php
[17:57] <jrwren> i sure hope all those LP people transform LP into something that is better than github.
[18:09] <nixternal> just use github :p
[18:17] <jrwren> me too
[18:17] <jrwren> but i have some old junk on LP. maybe I should move it.
[18:32] <nixternal> or ignore it, you did call it "old junk"
[18:32] <nixternal> s/ignore/forget about/
[18:50] <llua> http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565
[18:59] <rick_h> heh, LP isn't going to get turned much any time soon
[18:59] <rick_h> bug fixes, couple new features
[19:05] <brousch> did you see what sourceforge is doing now?
[19:05] <brousch> scraping other places and hosting mirrors of things?
[19:06] <brousch> https://sourceforge.net/blog/mirror/
[19:07] <brousch> Launchpad could one-up them by paying each person to host code with launchpad
[19:10] <brousch> instead of bitbucket's unlimited free repos, launchpad pays you $1/repo and $0.10/commit
[19:14] <jrwren> lol
[19:14] <rick_h> heh
[19:14] <rick_h> yea, but we already do mirroring and you can do things like export your github repo and build a ppa package with it
[19:15] <rick_h> I'm going to try to get that process down and do an open space on it at pycon hopefully
[19:18] <tjagoda> I like that we demand that rick_h single handedly fix everything wrong with Launchpad
[19:19] <tjagoda> =P
[19:19] <tjagoda> My largest annoyance was always its slow page loads
[19:20] <jrwren> its not that anything is wrong with LP, its just that github has stepped things up with new features and raised hte bar.
[19:20] <jrwren> LP was excellent a few yrs ago.
[19:20] <jrwren> it was top notch.
[19:20] <jrwren> now that top notch is much higher than it was.
[19:24] <jrwren> rick_h: you playing with that pgsql9.2 json yet?
[19:25] <jrwren> i'm salivating at the idea of indexing that json based on selectors :)
[19:30] <rick_h> jrwren: not yet. We're still on pgsql 8
[19:30] <rick_h> jrwren: I like the idea though, curious to see real performance numbers of dumping query results into json at the db side without pulling results and then doing it in the server side language
[19:30] <rick_h> tjagoda: well the speed issue is getting a ton better
[19:31] <rick_h> and once my JS rework lands here in the next week/two I'll let you beta test if you want
[19:31] <rick_h> the JS changes make it feel a lot faster as well
[19:31] <rick_h> jrwren: the github thing is that it's great for the code hosting
[19:31] <rick_h> it's bug tracker has gotten better
[19:31] <rick_h> but LP has a MUCH bigger feature set and has been tring to evolve for a lot longer
[19:32] <rick_h> don't get me wrong, I'm not rushing to my my stuff off github, but the direct comparisons are a bit tough
[19:38] <brousch> tjagoda: that's because we know rick_h is the only man who _can_ fix it
[19:40] <rick_h> heh
[19:40] <rick_h> it's tough though. LP is so big. I actually wanted to work with the U1 team, but this came open and took it
[19:40] <rick_h> now I'm in I see the LP team is a bit of the model for others
[19:40] <rick_h> and of course now U1 is hiring a dev :P
[19:41] <rick_h> anyway, if there are speicific bugs let me know. For the next few months my job is to work on bugs I find interesting that are high enough priority
[19:41] <rick_h> so might even be able to fix a thing/two :)
[19:43] <brousch> rick_h: well now that you're in, i assume it's easy to move to different departments
[19:43] <rick_h> brousch: you need to stick in one place for a year and you can do rotations, but I want to stick here for sure since it's a bit of the gold standard for teams
[19:44] <rick_h> I mean I've been here two months and I feel I'm already a better dev than I was by a significant margin
[19:44] <brousch> ah
[19:44] <rick_h> so not unhappy at all, just funny
[19:44] <rick_h> "i'll sneakin through LP and do cool stuff eventually...oh wait this is kind of cool here"
[19:44] <brousch> what team is foord on?
[19:45] <rick_h> he's on a platform team that does other things like the hardware site, the software center paypal integration, etc
[19:45] <rick_h> mainly works on django sites we pop up forthings
[19:46] <brousch> who is the rockstar at canonical i can't remember?
[19:46] <rick_h> he is and barry warsaw
[19:46] <rick_h> honestly we've got a bunch of python rockstars including one guy who's nick is rockstar :)
[19:46] <rick_h> https://twitter.com/#!/rockstar_
[19:47] <brousch> yeah, warsaw
[19:48] <rick_h> yea, he's a python core guy working on the py3 stuff and side by side python installs
[19:48] <rick_h> his goal is to have 2.7 and 3.2 side by side coming up all generating their own .pyc and such so you can truly run code on either
[19:48] <brousch> ubuntu does that very well
[19:49] <rick_h> right, but there's limitations due to how python works that need rework
[19:49] <rick_h> see http://www.wefearchange.org/2012/01/debian-package-for-python-2-and-3.html
[19:50] <brousch> i like how deadsnakes works
[19:50] <brousch> keep doing whatever that does
[19:51] <rick_h> lol
[19:51] <rick_h> if barry gets his stuff working and in you won't need it any more
[19:51] <rick_h> you'd just apt-get install each and could pick the same script and run it on any version any time
[19:52] <brousch> shut up!
[19:53] <rick_h> yea, each version would store it's own .pyc, have it's own site-packages, etc
[19:56] <brousch> does it use the __pycache__ thing i've seen from python3.2?
[19:57] <rick_h> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3147/
[19:57] <rick_h> http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/3.2.html#pep-3147-pyc-repository-directories
[19:57] <rick_h> and PEP written by Barry Warsaw.
[19:57] <rick_h> http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/3.2.html#pep-3149-abi-version-tagged-so-files
[19:58] <rick_h> right after that
[20:10] <brousch> heh. chrome just crashed and freed up literally 4GB of RAM and swap
[20:12]  * greg-g only has 4g of ram
[20:16] <brousch> me too
[20:18] <greg-g> hah
[20:19] <greg-g> when chrome runs, nothing else does.
[20:19] <tjagoda> yay firefox
[20:19] <brousch> i should set up two profiles for firefox so i could use it for work and persona;
[20:20] <tjagoda> running firefox + pidgin, using ~875MB
[20:20] <tjagoda> firefox only has two tabs up however
[20:21] <brousch> my chrome had been running for 6 days i think
[20:21] <tjagoda> I put kubuntu on my desktop
[20:22] <tjagoda> Every time I reboot it forgets how I want the dual heads to work, but remembers all the desktop UI settings as soon as I turn the right head back to extension instead of mirror
[20:22] <tjagoda> Yay open source =P
[20:22] <Wolfger> Huh. I wonder why it doesn't remember your dual head settings
[20:22] <Wolfger> File a bug
[20:23] <Wolfger> then tell rick_h about your LP experience. :-D
[20:24] <tjagoda> I should have namedropped rick_h in my application.
[20:24] <tjagoda> Added a line item "Willing to personally harass the residence of rick_h for the purposes of supporting critical deadlines."
[20:25] <tjagoda> I look at the canonical applicatoin status and it says Status "Open."
[20:25] <tjagoda> I dont think there's a way to figure out what the possible statuses are
[20:38] <Wolfger> Did you get an auto-reply on your submission?
[20:39] <Wolfger> I got one that said "we're too busy to respond to every app individually, but you can update your stuff at [url]"
[20:39] <Wolfger> couldn't decide if that was a "we got your app" or a "foad". It didn't actually say either.
[20:40] <tjagoda> I got the auto reply.
[21:02] <rick_h> heh
[21:12] <jrwren> brousch: about:plugins and disable flash. then crhome will use much less ram.
[22:09] <jjesse> afternoon
[22:24] <llua> yo
[23:52] <rick_h> party
[23:54] <tjagoda> party party?