[09:03] <damo22> anyone awake?
[09:04] <astraljava> o/
[09:05] <damo22> i wonder if midi can be transmitted over the net and synced to jack
[09:05] <damo22> at both ends
[09:06] <astraljava> Ahh... good question, and one that I don't have an answer to, unfortunately.
[09:06] <damo22> ive been playing with rtpmidi and Mac OSX CoreMIDI network
[09:06] <astraljava> Hang around for a while, if someone else shows up who does, however.
[09:06] <astraljava> Also, you could try #opensourcemusicians, they're a great bunch.
[09:07] <damo22> cool thx
[09:33] <ailo> damo22: jack has some tools for that I believe, and there's also OSC
[09:34] <ailo> damo22: You could try checking out #jack for jack specific stuff
[09:35] <ailo> damo22: This might be what you are looking for http://qmidinet.sourceforge.net/qmidinet-index.html
[09:36] <ailo> You can find it in the Ubuntu repo as qmidinet
[09:36] <damo22> wow nice
[09:36] <damo22> except its multicast
[09:36] <damo22> so you cant use it over a WAN
[09:38] <damo22> im looking for the equivalent of "rtpmidi" but for linux
[18:08] <myrmidette> for all you artists out there- does anyone know of a viable alternative to gimp?
[18:08] <myrmidette> must be free as in beer, available for linux
[18:08] <holstein> depends on what you want to do i suppose
[18:08] <holstein> i cant imagine not getting what i need done with GIMP
[18:08] <holstein> but, i dont need CMYK output
[18:08] <myrmidette> something with similar functionality, specifically the ability to rotate the canvas
[18:09] <holstein> i think you'll find that GIMP is the best, and most supported and actively developed
[18:09] <myrmidette> gimp has an annoying bug where every one once in a while it won't let me undo a change
[18:09] <holstein> and arguably with the most functionality
[18:09] <myrmidette> drives me crazy
[18:10] <holstein> myrmidette: i would say report that bug and work with the developers to fix it
[18:10] <holstein> i doubt you will find a more capable application with less bugs
[18:10] <myrmidette> sure holstein
[18:11] <myrmidette> well, strictly speaking I lied. The one being driven crazy was my little sister, but her screams were loud enough to annoy me
[18:11] <holstein> yeah... and thats not a bug i have encoutered, so i cant speak about it
[18:11] <myrmidette> she's not a very 'computer literate' person and she doesn't know how to file a bug report
[18:11] <holstein> not to be rude, but it sounds more like user error to me
[18:12] <myrmidette> and she doesn't really want to learn, but  I can understand that
[18:12] <myrmidette> no, it was pretty obvious. She makes a stroke, presses ctrl z, nothing happens
[18:12] <myrmidette> she starts screaming
[18:12] <holstein> that literally *never* has happened to me
[18:12] <holstein> could be the keyboard
[18:13] <holstein> coud be focus related
[18:13] <holstein> could be somethig in the config
[18:13] <myrmidette> focus?
[18:13] <holstein> yup.. the focus is not on the gimp window you think its supposed to be on
[18:13] <holstein> there are typically 3 windows
[18:13] <holstein> maybe she would prefer using it in 1 window
[18:13] <holstein> not sure when that is happening
[18:13] <myrmidette> oh that sort of focus
[18:13] <holstein> could be that she is focused on the tool palette
[18:14] <holstein> thus control+z'ing over there
[18:14] <holstein> and not where she expects
[18:14] <holstein> i mean, it could be that she is the only person to find such an obvious bug, and again, not to be rude... it really sound like user error, or config
[18:15] <holstein> the GIMP is quite well maintained
[18:15] <holstein> one of the big ones
[18:15] <holstein> regardles... you wont find a better graphics application
[18:15] <holstein> there are several really nice photo management applications, but i dont think that will get you what you want