[00:32] <mansoor> How do I enable restricted drivers? I just installed Kubuntu
[00:33] <BarkingFish> !restricted
[00:33] <BarkingFish> I believe you have to add a repository or something... one moment
[00:36] <BarkingFish> if I remember the command correctly, open up a terminal (press ALT F2 and type  konsole, hit enter)
[00:36] <BarkingFish> when you get into the terminal, you type  sudo apt-add-repository http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric main restricted
[00:38] <BarkingFish> mansoor: you should also do   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:47] <mansoor> BarkingFish: it says  it wants the repository name after command
[00:47] <mansoor> and Muon software center crashes on every start
[00:48] <BarkingFish> mansoor: we know about muon, it's broken
[00:49] <BarkingFish> I'd advise you do those commands through the terminal, as I directed you to.
[00:49] <BarkingFish> You should also get another package manager, I personally use apper, which you can get through command line / terminal
[00:49] <mansoor> BarkingFish: there is an error     "Error: need a repository as argument
[00:49] <mansoor> "
[00:50] <mansoor> when i enter int eh add repo command
[00:50] <BarkingFish> did you copy the URL with it?
[00:50] <mansoor> yes
[00:50] <BarkingFish> all of that is one line
[00:50] <mansoor> yes
[00:51] <BarkingFish> Well that's confused me totally then. It works here.
[00:51] <BarkingFish> What version of Kubuntu are you on?
[00:51] <mansoor> :S
[00:51] <mansoor> letest, i downloaded it 2 hours ago
[00:54] <mansoor> ok
[00:54] <mansoor> i got what i needed
[00:54] <mansoor> thanks BarkingFish
[01:51] <poobiebear> Hi. I'd like to have a user on my Kubuntu (11.latest) system which has the power to install software using muon, but doesn't have root privs. I see that org.kubuntu.qaptworker.* is the polkit dingus which is responsible for package management. How do I create a polkit action file which says "People in this group can perform this action."?
[01:52] <poobiebear> The only options that I can see (from the man page) are "Any user who knows their password" and "Any user who is an admin.".
[01:52] <poobiebear> The term "Admin" is very poorly defined.
[01:52] <poobiebear> Any ideas? :)
[01:55] <poobiebear> Oh, nevermind. I guess I can do something with pklocalauthority files.
[05:00] <BentFranklin> A Kubuntu 10.4 box hangs on shutdown, so I go to syslog and see this http://paste.kde.org/190748.  How can I find out what's wrong if my logging is broken?  Or is that collateral damage from the pages of Xorg errors?
[06:30] <folsto> Hi, autoupdater updated the kernel to 3.0.15, but now this kernel does not boot, so I have to use previous kernel to boot up everytime.
[06:30] <folsto> Is there any way I could make the new kernel work?
[06:33] <merlin1991> 'not boot' is rather vague
[06:34] <Shaan7> folsto: well unless you know kernel programming and can debug the problem, you should just use the previous kernel
[06:35] <Shaan7> hopefully you dont urgently need something thats new in the new kernel
[06:36] <folsto> merlin1991: sorry, I will be more clear, does boot means, after the entering the selection in grub screen, a black screen appears and nothing happens even after 10 minutes.
[06:36] <folsto> Shaan7: Okay, I guess I will keep using this until the next kernel update, which may hopefully work
[06:37] <Shaan7> yea, its a nice thing apt doesnt remove the old kernels ;)
[06:37] <merlin1991> folsto: did you by any chance install graphics driver not from the packages but from for example the nvidia homepage?
[06:37] <folsto> No, I have not installed any external drivers.
[06:39] <folsto> Everything was working fine when I installed the distro, so haven't bothered installing any drivers either from the packages or external sources.
[06:39] <merlin1991> folsto: you could try  getting some helpfull output from the "recovery" entry
[06:40] <folsto> okay, I will try that, will be rright back, thanks.
[06:40] <BentFranklin> Why would a Kubuntu 10.4 hang on shutdown but restart just fine?
[06:41] <folsto> BentFranklin: Just a guess, there are some services which do not need to be killed during restart like bluetooth, whereas during shutdown everything needds to be killed,
[06:47] <BentFranklin> There is the following in my syslog during bootup:  ACPI Error: A valid RSDP was not found.
[06:51] <merlin1991> hm I have just plugged in a usb headset and I'd like to reroute all sound to it, though HOW?
[06:51] <merlin1991> also I don't have pulseaudio here only alsa
[06:52] <BentFranklin> merlin1991: System Settings -> Multimedia?
[06:52] <folsto> merlin1991: Hi, In System Settings>Mutimedia>Phono, give priority to your heasdset
[06:53] <merlin1991> hm in wich section should multimedia be?
[06:53] <merlin1991> damn found it
[06:53]  * merlin1991 is blind
[06:55] <merlin1991> hm works for new sounds, but doesn't reroute already running sounds
[06:56] <folsto> merlin1991: Kmix > Playback, you will see your app there, right click and switch it to your headset
[06:57] <merlin1991> kmix doesn't open :P
[06:58] <folsto> may be restart that paricular app
[06:59] <merlin1991> that is exactly what I want to try to avoid :D
[07:03] <binaryking> hi
[07:04] <binaryking> I've just installed Kubuntu 11.10 on my System
[07:04] <binaryking> I'm having problem with Muon Software Center
[07:04] <binaryking> it says
[07:04] <binaryking> Application: Muon Software Center (muon-installer), signal: Segmentation fault
[07:04] <binaryking> [Current thread is 1 (Thread 0xb7774930 (LWP 2387))]
[07:04] <binaryking> Thread 2 (Thread 0xb5807b70 (LWP 2391)):
[07:04] <binaryking> #0  0x008afdbd in pthread_mutex_lock () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0
[07:04] <binaryking> #1  0x006fef14 in pthread_mutex_lock () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
[07:04] <FloodBotK1> binaryking: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:04] <binaryking> #2  0x02ef4f53 in g_main_context_check () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
[07:17] <anshulgoyal> ?
[07:53] <ravi119> hello
[09:09] <BentFranklin> KDE's Remote Desktop Sharing invitation window comes up whenever I log in.  It's not in Autostart or any .rc file I can find.  Where else could this be loading from?
[09:28] <drbobb> hi, what's the deal with mounting a ntfs partition on boot with oneiric
[09:29] <drbobb> if I try to do that, my pc stops booting and reports something very bad happened with the filesystem
[09:30] <drbobb> but if I mount it manually after booting is complete, I don't see any problem?
[09:35] <drox> I have a problem whit install of program Draftsight, i don't install it
[09:39] <drox> I changed the part in the control file architetture_i386 in all but the sw QApt I install the program. Any idea?
[10:03] <sony> how can i connect my box.net account using webdav
[10:03] <peace_> Guest21014: using dolphin or konqueror ?
[10:03] <peace_> search dolphin webdav
[10:04] <peace_> kde4
[10:52] <LINKSWORD2> Well, hello everybody.
[10:53] <LINKSWORD2> Would anybody know how I can change my programs in the kickoff menu to be shown by their name, rather than their description? i.e. Web Browser
[11:08] <peace_> LINKSWORD2: mmm
[11:08] <peace_> LINKSWORD2: right click on the button and [11:09] <LINKSWORD2> Wow. I feel stupid. I went right past that.
[12:02] <Ruffino>  c'est convivial ici dites donc
[12:46] <xinel> evening, trying to get monitor to work over displayport, currently works via hdm and dvi. Any ideas?
[12:47] <xinel> kubuntu 11.10 64bit, xrandr doesn't show outputs at all
[12:49] <peace_> xinel: nvdia?
[12:49] <xinel> yes gtx570
[12:50] <peace_> .... driver issue
[12:50] <xinel> that's what i was thinking, wondering if anyone had come across it
[12:51] <peace_> bah for what i remember i guess you need to install the proprietary driver
[12:51] <peace_> reset all
[12:51] <peace_> and run nvidia-settings
[12:51] <peace_> but i have not nvidia
[12:52] <xinel> cheers
[14:00] <danny> hello i would like to know if any can show me hwo to use the advanced partition tool used for ubuntu 11.10 install the is /dev/sda1 fat16 41mb . /dev/sda2 ntfs 12287 mb . /dev/sda3 ntfs 307742 mb, i would like to install on sda 3 but during reg instalation it with only give me sda2 to install to so can someone tell me how to split sda 3 so i dont lose windows and can duel install ubuntu onto half of it
[14:02] <jussi> danny: please dont cross post at the same time, just ask your question only in the appropriate place
[14:02] <danny> jussi, were is the apropraite place?
[14:03] <jussi> danny: in #ubuntu ;)
[14:03] <danny> jussi, i was thinking since they all had the same installer maybe someone here would know its all "buntu"
[14:04] <jussi> danny: generally cross posying is considered rude, since many of hte helpers idle in both places
[14:05] <kurtul> how do you type unicode in kate or libreoffice?
[14:05] <jussi> danny: just remember to be patient, sometimes people just dont know the answer. also, try askubuntu and the forums
[14:06] <danny> jussi, ok just figured there were ppl here that arent there and its kinda dead right now
[14:17] <sb1980> hi! i just switched from ATI to NVIDIA. now kubuntus system settings can't identify my second montir (nvidia-settings can) and all my visual effects are gone...anybody has an idea how to configure it properly? nvidia-settings is crashing often too
[14:21] <danny> ok so i am useing gparted to repartion /dev/sda3 and it has 286.61 gib i would like to make 130 g free for me to install ubuntu onto it so i click resize and it gives me 3 boxes to change the top one says free space preceding (MiB) 0 then the one under it says new size(MiB) 293486 and under that says free space following (MiB) 0 and under that says align to and gives me the options Mib cylinder, MiB, None what should i change all the
[14:21] <danny> values to get what i want
[14:26] <peace_> James147:
[14:26] <peace_> ping James147
[14:36] <James147> peace_: pong
[14:38] <peace_> James147: i am on git :P
[14:38] <James147> how are you finding it?
[14:39] <peace_> James147: dolphin has git integrated :)
[14:39] <James147> yup  :)
[14:39] <James147> as so dose qtcreator and kdevelop i believe
[14:43] <Martt> hi evrybody
[14:43] <Martt> I've got a little problem
[14:43] <Martt> with kubuntu's clock
[14:43] <Martt> is there anyone who can help me?
[14:46] <James147> Martt: what problem exactly?
[14:47] <Martt> James147: It's ah hour behind the effective time. My country real time is 15.57 but it says "14.47"
[14:49] <James147> Martt: are you dual booting with windows?
[14:49] <Martt> James147: no. Kubuntu is my only operative system
[14:51] <James147> Martt: have you tried editing them time? and made sure your locale is correct?
[14:51] <Martt> The settings are all correct
[14:52] <Martt> I tryed to edit it but I didn't manage to have the correct time displayed
[14:55] <James147> Martt: I think the widget only updates every minute, so can take that long to display the correct time
[14:57] <James147> Martt: you could try playing with "hwclock" and "date" utils to adjust the time directly
[14:59] <Martt> i just tried with hwclock but the konsole says that my local time is CET 14.59 but actually it is not correct
[15:00] <James147> Martt: sudo hwclock --hctosys   to set the system time from the hardware clock
[15:02] <Martt> I typed that but nothing happened
[15:04] <James147> Martt: "hwclock; date" << dose the output of that matchup?
[15:05] <Martt> date matches up but clock doesnìt
[15:06] <James147> Martt: "kquitapp plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop"
[15:10] <Martt> James147: I typed the command you wrote but the desktop got black and nothing more so Iìve got to reboot my PC
[15:11] <James147> Martt: sorry, that was ment to happen then it should have come back... if that happens again just "alt+f2" and run " plasma-desktop" to start the desktop again
[15:13] <Martt> James147: ok
[15:13] <James147> Martt: is the time correct?
[15:14] <Martt> James147: unfortunately It's not correct
[15:15] <James147> Martt: "hwclock; date" still match?
[15:16] <Martt> hwclock doesn't match
[15:17] <Martt> here it is the output of "sudo hwclock --debug"
[15:17] <Martt> :
[15:17] <Martt> hwclock da util-linux 2.19.1
[15:17] <Martt> Utilizzo di /dev interface to clock.
[15:17] <Martt> Ultima regolazione della deriva effettuata 0 secondi dopo il 1969
[15:17] <Martt> Ultima calibrazione effettuata 0 secondi dopo il 1969
[15:17] <Martt> Il clock hardware è sull'orario sconosciuto
[15:17] <FloodBotK1> Martt: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:17] <Martt> Si presuppone che il clock hardware sia mantenuto nell'orario locale.
[15:18] <James147> Martt: then my guess is your locale is wrong, or hwclock is an hour out
[15:18] <Martt> James147: but in time settings I set my correct local time
[15:19] <James147> (hwclock wont nessorly be the current time, the system time is calculated from the hwclock and your locale)
[15:19] <Danno7> Hi i just started using Kubuntu. I can't seem to change my background image from the Plasma default ( I think that is what it is called) to anything else
[15:20] <James147> Danno7: what seems to be stopping you from doing so?
[15:20] <Danno7> well I pick a different one and nothing happens
[15:21] <James147> Danno7: and you clicked apply?
[15:21] <Danno7> yep
[15:21] <Martt> James147: you were right. I just set the correct tine and everthing worked good
[15:21] <Martt> thanks :)
[15:22] <Danno7> I  used to get a regular desktop but then I clicked on the little colored dots in the left corner and now I just have this theme
[15:23] <James147> Danno7: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[15:24] <Danno7> the latest I presume. I just downloaded it yesterday . I did use the alt-cd since I wanted LVM encryption
[15:24] <Danno7> 11.10 or something like that
[15:25] <James147> Danno7: hmm, strange :S
[15:26] <James147> Danno7: might want to check the other desktops/activities to see if thet are changing
[15:26] <Danno7> I did have that error where kubuntu hangs on upgrading after installing
[15:26] <Danno7> other desktops?
[15:26] <James147> Danno7: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install kubuntu"  to make sure your fully up todate
[15:27] <Danno7> hmm so a regular apt-get update and upgrade wont work? thats what I did after I came back from the hang
[15:27] <James147> Danno7: most linux desktop envrioments allow the user to ahve multiple virtual desktops to orgnise their windows "crtl+F#" (where # is 1-8) to switch between them
[15:28] <Danno7> oh I never use that but let me check
[15:30] <Danno7> looks the same afaik
[15:30] <James147> Danno7: hmm, not sure why its doing that, but you can reset plasma-desktop to its default settings by renaming/moving ~/.kde/share/config/plasm*
[15:31] <James147> (then restart plasma-desktop "killall plasma-desktop && sleep 1 && plasma-desktop")
[15:31] <Danno7> hmm I tried that update command but it says it cant find kubuntu ...are you sure about that package name?
[15:32] <James147> kubuntu-desktop sorry :)
[15:32] <Danno7> ahh
[15:32] <Danno7> "kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version"
[15:33] <James147> Danno7: thats fine then
[15:33] <Danno7> I will rename the config..will it generate a new one next time I log in?
[15:33] <James147> Danno7: when plasma-deskp next starts
[15:33] <James147> so yes
[15:33] <Danno7> kk. brb then
[15:33] <James147> (you can just kill and start plasma-desktop instead of reloggin it you want)
[15:35] <Danno7> so just confirming, I rename all the ones that start with plasma ?
[15:36] <James147> Danno7: yes
[15:36] <James147> (or move them to another directory
[15:39] <zerdest> hi
[15:39] <zerdest> slm
[15:40] <zerdest> hiiiiiiiiiiii
[15:40] <James147> Hello zerdest
[15:41] <Danno7> ok so now how do I change my desktop ? Rightclick on the open area doesn't give me an option for that
[15:41] <Danno7> ?
[15:42] <James147> Danno7: dose it give "configure desktop" option?
[15:42] <James147> or Desktop settings"
[15:42] <Danno7> yes, sorry being stupid
[15:42] <Danno7> yes it works now
[15:45] <Danno7> got a lot of errors when I restarted plasma :-\
[15:45] <James147> Danno7: actual errors or debug output?
[15:46] <Danno7> reading through it
[15:46] <James147> kde apps are quite noisy by default
[15:46] <James147> you can use "kebugdialog" to disable different debug messages
[15:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[15:47] <James147> Heya BluesKaj
[15:47] <BluesKaj> hi James147
[15:48] <Danno7> James147: http://pastebin.com/tA1VgYg5
[15:49] <James147> Danno7: is it running fine?
[15:50] <Danno7> meh? I think so
[15:50] <James147> Danno7: then I wouldnt worry about it
[15:50] <Danno7> hehe. ok
[15:51] <Danno7> I am a long time Ubuntu user but the unity desktop ...I just couldn't deal with it
[15:51] <James147> Danno7: seems allot of people cannot... though I do like their task manager :)
[15:53] <Danno7> not really understanding what this activity manager is suppposed to do?
[15:54] <James147> Danno7: manages activities... :) now activities are something farily new to kde (so still under heavy development) but are essentially a way of grouping tasks, similar to virtual desktops
[15:54] <Danno7> oh man, now I get it. I lost this window again...so how do you change between activity windows?
[15:55] <James147> Danno7: The difference btween them and virtual desktops is that they can not only group windows but also widgets and backgrounds, and there is developemnt on going to make applications aware of them so they can change behaviour dependong on what activity they are in
[15:55] <James147> also ^^ they can be stoped and started
[15:56] <Danno7> ok so I click on activity and set up a new workspace with widgits and windows...now how do I get back to my original desktop?
[15:56] <James147> meta+tab should switch between them, or you can click the cachew (the thing in the corner) and click activities, or you can add the activity widget to the panel
[15:57] <James147> managment of them isnt the easiest thing to do yet... though there is on going work to improve this (kde 4.8 is ment to improve on it)
[15:58] <Danno7> oh snap..thats kinda cool
[15:58] <pawiecki> hi again, any ideas how to play .flv movies in dragon player?
[15:58] <James147> Danno7: the idea behind it is great, though there is still quite allot of work to be done on them
[15:59] <Danno7> thanks James. BTW I think thats why I couldn't change my background. I was in activity window..not in a regular desktop space
[16:01] <Danno7> nevermind. no something was borked because I can change my bg no matter where I am
[16:03] <James147> Danno7: yeah, and there is no such thing as an activity window and refular desktop space... all desktops are activities (by default all the same activity)
[16:03] <Danno7> ah. Is there a keyboard shortcut to hid all the widgets?
[16:04] <James147> why do you want to?
[16:04] <Danno7> I dunno. I know I can do it on a OS-X just wondering
[16:05] <James147> Danno7: there is a dash board where you can place widgets, this can be hidden and shown on top of iwndows
[16:05] <James147> (ctrl+F12 by default I think)
[16:06] <Danno7> oh. dashboard vs just having it on the activity window background
[16:06] <James147> (you can also set it so the dashboard displays whats on the background)
[16:07] <Danno7> hmm. fascinating
[16:08] <Danno7> this is way more awesome than unity. I am surprised that I have never tried KDE
[16:12] <Danno7> will conky work on KDE?
[16:13] <James147> Danno7: why not use the widgets for kde? if the default ones arent good enough there are allot at kde-look.org (you can even download and install them though the add widgets dialog inside kde)
[16:13] <James147> there are ALLOT of system monitors to chose from :S
[16:14] <Danno7> hmm, yeah. I guess I am just used to looking at my conky. Kind of like an old pair of shoes
[16:29] <igoressicus> ??????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?????
[16:32] <BarkingFish> igoressicus: Whatever you just typed is completely unintelligible.  I'm sorry, but I am unable to read your message.
[16:33] <igoressicus> not supported russion codepage
[16:34] <BarkingFish> ok, you want help? We have a russian channel.
[16:34] <BarkingFish> !ru
[16:34] <BluesKaj> !ru | igoressicus
[16:36] <igoressicus> thks, it first time start irc on my ubuntu system! thks 4 all!
[16:36] <BluesKaj> hmm his IP shows the ukraine ,  russians still welcome there ..interesting
[16:37] <lenovo> hellol
[16:43] <pawiecki> how can you tell by the ip from where he comes?
[16:46] <dasKreech> BluesKaj, being understood is always welcome regardless of other differences.
[16:48] <dasKreech> more comfortable to have an enemy/rival you understand than a ally/friend you can't decipherr
[16:48] <dasKreech> pawiecki, GeoIP
[16:49] <dasKreech> Blocks of IP addresses are assigned to certain organizations and regions. Depending on which IP you can tell from which city the person is connected
[16:49] <BluesKaj> dasKreech,  no doubt , but it's still interesting to me.
[16:49] <dasKreech> hence wonderful ads declaring that you have single girls in $YOUR_CITY just waiting on you to call them
[16:50] <dasKreech> BluesKaj, Also you can't predict individual responses from official political stances of country leaders
[16:50] <dasKreech> See GWB
[16:52] <BluesKaj> dasKreech,  myu IP here is dynamic , so it's interesting to see ads directed at me in cities 700km away . My ISP uses various switches around the province to balance internet traffic
[16:53] <dasKreech> BluesKaj, Yes that is a partial flaw of the assumptions made
[16:54] <dasKreech> It's unusual enough these days that the gamble of it being correct is good enough.
[16:54] <dasKreech> Not like they expect 100% click through rate in any case
[17:01] <pawiecki> have another problem - how to simply format pendrive in kubuntu? i can't find it. Looked in kde partition manager but can't do it
[17:06] <pawiecki> and for my simply means with gui :)
[17:07] <dasKreech> pawiecki, are you using partitionmanager ?
[17:07] <muntiKubu> pawiecki: am gusessing it doesn't show up in devices?
[17:07] <muntiKubu> guessing*
[17:08] <BluesKaj> pawiecki,  did you umount the USB drive before trying to format
[17:08] <pawiecki> it shows, but i can't make any actions on it
[17:08] <muntiKubu> pawiecki: select it and then unmount it
[17:09] <pawiecki> tried both KDE Partition Editor and Partition Manager
[17:10] <pawiecki> ok unmounted
[17:10] <djones__> hello, im having trouble getting my bluetooth to work with kubuntu 11.10, i didnt even think the laptop had bluetooth, but i keep seeing "stopping bluetooth" when i reboot, in settings it says no bluetooth device found, ill pastebin dmesg | grep Blue* if anyones intrested, the laptop is a dell inspiron e1705, any help is good, thanks
[17:12] <djones__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/813296/
[17:12] <dasKreech> djones__, If it doesn't have bluetooth then it doesn't have bluetooth. Bluetooth services are installed by default (even on desktops) if you can't make use if it then remove the bluez service (like I do ;-)
[17:14] <dasKreech> hi JontheEchidna
[17:14] <JontheEchidna> hi
[17:17] <pawiecki> strange. When i unmounted pedrive it was not shown in partition editor. But when i pulled it out and back again it was there and i could format it and do more actions. That's not very intuitive :/
[17:18] <djones__> dasKreech: is the more useless stuff installed that i could or should get rid of? im still pretty new to all of this
[17:19] <dasKreech> djones__, Welcome to Linux and KDE then :)
[17:19] <James147> djones__: you dont `need` to get rid of anything... installed stuff that you dont use wont hurt your system
[17:19] <dasKreech> djones__, Useless is of course relative. For someone who relies on bluetooth it's not useless at all
[17:20] <djones__> dasKreech: well if the bluetooth isnt there, the service is pretty useless isnt it?
[17:21] <dasKreech> djones__, You could perhaps look through /etc/init.d and see if you want the services listed inside there. anything you are not sure about you can ask in here for more details
[17:21] <James147> djones__: but if you ever do get bluetooth then it will be there... which is why kubuntu has it by default
[17:21] <dasKreech> djones__, Yes but we know that you don't have bluetooth because you said you didn't I wouldn't start assuming on what you have vs what you don't have and give you a list of things to remove
[17:22] <James147> djones__: you can disable it if you want... or even uninstall it though it wont make much of a difference if you do or not
[17:24] <djones__> another thing ive noticed, ive looked up the specs for this laptop, as it was givin to me by a friend, and it says im using a ati x1400 video card, but the specs pages all say either intel onboard card or an nvidia go card, is that something weird with the drivers or perhaps an available option on the laptop
[17:25] <James147> djones__: lspci | grep VGA    to see which you have
[17:26] <pawiecki> is there a simpler way to format a usb drive? I have a friend who has kubuntu installed (by me) and formatting a pendrive with partition editor every time won't be easy for him. You know... on windows it's just right click. Even on Ubuntu it's easy
[17:26] <James147> pawiecki: why do you need to format so often?
[17:26] <djones__> James147: ok thank you
[17:28] <pawiecki> i do not. I'm just wondering why is it so complex here
[17:29] <dasKreech> Not on a KDE box now but I would suspect there is a simpler way. I probably still would use partitionmanager though
[17:29] <James147> pawiecki: because it is considered a dangrous operation... as it will distroy data (picking the wrong drive could be disgratious)... and there is little need for it to be a convient option as you dont need to do it often
[17:31] <BluesKaj> djones__,  maybe your laptop has 2 GPUs, and swaps between them to save power and graphics load requirements
[17:31] <pawiecki> James147: so what to tell my friend then? Just to delete files via Dolphin?
[17:32] <James147> pawiecki: why not? you could create a simple script to do it if you wanted...
[17:33] <dasKreech> He's formatting the drive to delete files?
[17:33] <pawiecki> yup.
[17:33] <dasKreech> wow I've never heard of that as the preferred option before
[17:33] <pawiecki> Me too.
[17:33] <dasKreech> ^A->del is much faster
[17:34] <James147> dasKreech: windows users do it as its a "right click -> format" for them...
[17:34] <dasKreech> Sorry
[17:34] <dasKreech> Ctrl+A to select all files and then press Delete
[17:34] <dasKreech> James147, It's still faster to select all files and press delete
[17:35] <pawiecki> James147: yes but tell me what's wrong in that ?
[17:35] <James147> dasKreech: not with the mouse :)
[17:35] <djones__> BluesKaj: what would that mean? sorry, like i said before im still pretty new to all of this
[17:35] <BluesKaj> pawiecki,  maybe your friend should learn a bit more about linux if he's going to use it. Holding his hand at every turn isn't going to help him.
[17:35] <BluesKaj> djones__,  looks like you have the dual graphics system one for low level graphic requirements which switches to higher level (a diiferent card) when the graphics content requires it .
[17:35] <dasKreech> pawiecki, Nothing overall wrong with itbut it does wear out the drive needlessly and it's slower in terms of actual time (though as James147 points out not in terms of interaction time)
[17:36] <dasKreech> djones__, ah that could be possible
[17:37] <James147> pawiecki: a simple option -> create a service menu called "format" that simply deletes the contents of a folder :D
[17:37] <djones__> BluesKaj: what does that mean to me? ha ha
[17:37] <BluesKaj> djones__,  what did the command  lspci | grep VGA that James147 suggested , tell you ?
[17:37] <pawiecki> windows has the option "fast format" which (as i suppose) just mark files as deleted, but do not format the entire disc. So it's simpler and faster
[17:37] <djones__> lspci | grep VGA
[17:37] <djones__> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Radeon Mobility X1400
[17:37] <pawiecki> James147: i like your sense of humor :)
[17:38] <Torch> pawiecki: fast format on windows will basically do what partitionmanager on KDE does.
[17:38] <dasKreech> pawiecki, sort of. it dumps the file listing sort of like rewriting the Table of Contents of a book to just say introduction and glossary
[17:38] <djones__> i do have it connected to my tv also if that makes any difference
[17:39] <dasKreech> pawiecki, Though it is an option. You can add a right click menu that says format that just deletes all the files and that would work :)
[17:40] <pawiecki> ok, then how to add it?
[17:40] <gaetan> hi
[17:40] <James147> pawiecki: one sec
[17:46] <BluesKaj> djones__,  pastebin the output from this command , lspci , ...need to look at your devices
[17:47] <dasKreech> !pastebin
[17:47] <pawiecki> djones__: maybe check "hardware information"
[17:48] <djones__> http://pastebin.com/s280yNLP
[17:48] <dasKreech> pawiecki, http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Quick+Usb+Formatter?content=137493
[17:48] <dasKreech> BluesKaj, see above
[17:51] <BluesKaj> djones__,  ok ,you have one graphics card, not the dual level setup that i suspected
[17:51] <djones__> pawiecki: cant find hardware information anywhere, but kinfocenter says nothing at all about my video cards
[17:51] <djones__> BluesKaj: so then everything is working as it should and i just have a different setup than the one listed on the specs page?
[17:53] <dasKreech> djones__, Which spec page is this?
[17:53] <BluesKaj> djones__,  laptop mfgrs are notorious for switching specs without notice , especially graphics chips/gpus
[17:53] <dasKreech> More noticeably network cards. People care about GPUS
[17:54] <dasKreech> They will list you a particular network card for your specific machine and ship it with something else completely
[17:54] <dasKreech> not an issue on Windows but sometimes disaster ensues for other OSes
[17:54] <djones__> dasKreech: the one on the dell page. http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/inspn/topics/en/inspn_e1705_sp_overview?c=us&l=en&cs=19
[17:56] <dasKreech> djones__, what CPU does it have in it?
[17:56] <dasKreech> It's possible that's not quite the same model
[17:57] <_dac_> Hi, just trying out new ID name
[17:57] <djones__> dasKreech: kinfocenter says 2 genuine intel max speed 1733
[17:58] <pawiecki> djones__: are you sure it's yours model? on the bottom of your laptop there should be full model id
[18:00] <djones__> pp05xb?
[18:02] <pawiecki> probably. For example i have a Samsung n210 netbook. But the full model id is: "NP-N210-JB01PL"
[18:03] <BluesKaj> djones__,  inkinfocenter , check device info>graphical info>opengl
[18:04] <djones__> BluesKaj: what am i looking for there? there it says the same ati radeon mobility x1400
[18:05] <_dac_> k,bye
[18:06] <BluesKaj> djones__,  ok , I wanted to be sure is all , since you pointed us to the dell site I kinda wondered myself why it didn't mention ati in it's specs
[18:08] <djones__> wish i could find anything at all on google eabout this thing
[18:11] <dasKreech> djones__, I'll trust kinfocenter on that. It's pretty difficult to misinterpret a Nvidia card for an ATI one
[18:11] <pawiecki> djones__: but what's the problem with your laptop? only the bluatooth thing?
[18:11] <pawiecki> bluetooth*
[18:12] <pawiecki> weird misspell :P
[18:13] <djones__> pawiecki:  that just had me a little confused, i had a little trouble with loading the wrong wireless driver when i first installed, when i try to watch/rip dvds it looks like garbage, thats really the only problem i still have
[18:13] <pawiecki> i have desktop pc and i olso had "bluetooth stopped" message while apt-get upgrading
[18:13] <dasKreech> djones__, how much garbage? as in unwatchable?
[18:14] <djones__> dasKreech: yeah, sometimes its worse than others, but always bad enough that i cant watch it
[18:14] <dasKreech> pawiecki, Yes it's small enough in terms of RAM and disk space to throw in
[18:15] <dasKreech> djones__, And you installed libdvdcss and libdvdread already ?
[18:15] <dasKreech> Or VLC? :)
[18:15] <djones__> dasKreech: vlc yes, doesnt that download all the libs by default?
[18:16] <pawiecki> dasKreech: what's small enough? Sry i'm a bit tired :)
[18:16] <dasKreech> Sort of. VLC is self contained So vlc should have all the libs but unlikely that others can use it
[18:16] <djones__> pawiecki: i think hes refering to the bluetooth stuff
[18:16] <dasKreech> pawiecki, Bluetooth service
[18:17] <dasKreech> James147, Going to be here for a while?
[18:17] <djones__> dasKreech: vlc does a better job of playing them, i can at least tell what its trying to be, but still unwatchable
[18:17] <James147> dasKreech: probally
[18:18] <pawiecki> ah ok. But i have no bluetooth device :)
[18:18] <BarkingFish> djones__: it sounds to me that you need some of the packages from our restricted repository and the kubuntu-restricted-extras too
[18:19] <BarkingFish> Does you DVD look like lots of multicolored squares spread all over the screen like a psychedelic chess board?
[18:19] <BarkingFish> *your
[18:19] <dasKreech> James147,  if I vanish can you help pawiecki with http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Quick+Usb+Formatter?content=137493
[18:20] <dasKreech> !dvd
[18:20] <BarkingFish> it's possible you're missing decoding software & stuff for dvds
[18:20] <James147> dasKreech: what problem is he having?
[18:20] <dasKreech> could also be your computer is somehow not fast enough to decode the DVD though that's unlikely
[18:21] <dasKreech> James147, right click -> format. That should give USB devices a format option when you put them in the computer
[18:21] <dasKreech> Hooray device manager
[18:21] <pawiecki> dasKreech: i'll delete files instead of formatting drive, so there's no help needed :)
[18:21] <James147> dasKreech: yeah, but what problem with that software?
[18:22] <dasKreech> pawiecki, Oh I'm sure that you will adapt but in case your friend has hard wired format routines in his blood/hand
[18:22] <dasKreech> James147, requires some compilation. It should be simple enough based on the instructions but in case....
[18:23] <djones__> BarkingFish:  no, it will be kinda clear and then go crazy with lines through the picture, and it wil go all one color or all squares of one color
[18:24] <BarkingFish> yeah, that sounds like you're missing a decoder.
[18:24] <BarkingFish> Follow what dasKreech posted above about commercial DVD and try again, but it strikes me it could also be copy protection if you already have these stuff
[18:27] <pawiecki> ahh i love kde, but why this love need to by so hard :/ it's so damn buggy
[18:27] <pawiecki> be*
[18:28] <pawiecki> i can't even open muon software center - crashing every time
[18:29] <pawiecki> Details: muon-installer PID: 5973 Signal Segmentation fault (11)
[18:30] <djones__> the lib from that link was already installed, i reset the region code now for a reboot, ill be back in a second
[18:31] <James147> pawiecki: technically muon isnt part of kde, its written using kdelibs. And muon crashing seems to be fairly common of late... you can always use apt-get on the command line or install an alternitive packagemanager
[18:31] <dasKreech> JontheEchidna, ping
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> pong
[18:31] <pawiecki> James147: which do you propose?
[18:32] <dasKreech> muon-installer has known crashes on start?
[18:32]  * James147 tends to use command line for upgrading ^^ 
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> yeah, an upgrade to something else started to make it crash suddenly last week
[18:32] <James147> but kpackagekit was the packagemanager in previous versions
[18:32] <pawiecki> is it in kubuntu 11.10?
[18:33] <dasKreech> JontheEchidna, Known quantity? or need more feedback to track it down?
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291262
[18:33] <James147> pawiecki: as far as I know its still in the repos,
[18:34] <djones__> no good, still all screwy
[18:34] <pawiecki> is kde 4.8 usable?
[18:36] <dasKreech> pawiecki, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291262#c117
[18:39] <dasKreech> Workaround till the new fix hits repos
[18:42] <pawiecki> ok i'm trying this
[18:43] <BentFranklin> KDE's Remote Desktop Sharing invitation window comes up whenever I log in.  It's not in Autostart or any .rc file I can find.  Where else could this be loading from?
[18:43] <pawiecki> it worked
[18:43] <dasKreech> pawiecki, Whoot :)
[18:43] <Snowhog> JontheEchidna: My 'git' version you helped me compile (Version 1.2.0 "Caustic Carrionite") has no issues that I am aware of (on Kubuntu 11.10 w/KDE 4.7.4)
[18:45] <pawiecki> dasKreech: the workaround worked, but it seems i eed to run muon package manager everytime to run muon software center
[18:45] <pawiecki> need*
[18:47] <dasKreech> pawiecki, I'm not aware of the details of the problem. I just skimmed the bug report
[18:47] <dasKreech> Workarounds are not expected to be perfect. Just to get the job done while a proper fix is distributed
[18:49] <pawiecki> but what i don't understand is why they release Kubuntu as a "stable" system, and things like that happens
[18:51] <dasKreech> pawiecki, :-) Perhaps you would like to jump on the unstable system and use that ? ;-)
[18:51] <dasKreech> There are levels of stability
[18:51] <pawiecki> if it's better, then why not
[18:51] <dasKreech> You can for instance only use LTS which is more stable than a normal release
[18:51] <dasKreech> or you can use debian stable which is much more stable than an LTS release
[18:52] <Snowhog> pawiecki: Kubuntu is a stable system -- for a vast number of users. Hardware and video drivers are the 'variables' that cannot be fully programmed for.
[18:52] <dasKreech> Redhat can possibly be argued to be more stable than Debian
[18:53] <pawiecki> sry dc
[18:54] <dasKreech> However each addition of stability means that something needs to be removed
[18:54] <pawiecki> levels... ok but for me stable doesn't mean throwing crashes at the user, right after a fresh install
[18:54] <dasKreech> Either the number of packages or the timing of when you get the packages
[18:55] <dasKreech> pawiecki, True. Somethings can't be avoided based on resources though.
[18:55] <James147> pawiecki: the problem isnt so simple... my vm of kubuntu still hasnt seen this issue so it dosnt affect everyone
[18:55] <dasKreech> A basix problem is that no one wants to test the "unstable" versions but then everyone wants things to be tested when the time comes to release them
[18:55] <pawiecki> that's why i think the release schedule is bad
[18:55] <dasKreech> pawiecki, then use the LTS or Debian releases
[18:56] <dasKreech> or CentOS/Redhat
[18:56] <dasKreech> those are multi year releases so somewhere between one to five years in between each release
[18:57] <pawiecki> i can test unstable kubuntu
[18:57] <James147> pawiecki: that will just crash/break more often
[18:58] <James147> but if you want you can upgrade to it
[18:58] <dasKreech> Yes but then you can say what's the issues you are having and it should work better for your mix of packages and hardware faster
[18:58] <pawiecki> and it still won't improove the end product, because it's broken by design. I mean 6 month to make stable system is not the best idea :)
[18:58] <dasKreech> and as a bonus other people shouldn't get the exact same crash out of the box on a fresh install
[18:59] <dasKreech> pawiecki, You are going on the consideration that they are starting from scratch every single time. They are not
[18:59] <pawiecki> i know they are not
[18:59] <pawiecki> but that's still a bad idea
[18:59] <dasKreech> pawiecki, How long should it take?
[19:00] <pawiecki> in my opinion?
[19:00] <pawiecki> it should be released when ready
[19:00] <James147> pawiecki: ha, then it will never be realesed
[19:00] <pawiecki> no
[19:00] <James147> pawiecki: yes... if you dont realse people wont test it, if people dont test it you can fix it if you cannot fix it you cannot relase it
[19:01] <James147> you cannot fir it ^^
[19:01] <pawiecki> there are always goals for the release right?
[19:01] <James147> pawiecki: yeah, ubuntu's tends to be to update to the latest packages... which change by the time they want to realse
[19:01] <pawiecki> like the new version of kde, new version of amarok, kernel and so on (just an example)
[19:02] <dasKreech> pawiecki, that's what made Debian have 6 years in between releases :)
[19:02] <dasKreech> pawiecki, Ahhh what you want is a rolling release distro
[19:02] <pawiecki> close :)
[19:02] <pawiecki> it's not perfect, but in my opinion the best way to go
[19:03] <dasKreech> if computing was perfect then this room wouldn't exist and we wouldn't have met :)
[19:03] <James147> pawiecki: then ubuntu isnt for you, have you tried archlinux or chakra?
[19:03] <pawiecki> but i like ubuntu
[19:03] <pawiecki> and like kde
[19:04] <James147> other distros package kde ^^ charkra is one
[19:04] <pawiecki> probably i would like mangeia but i prefer deb's over rpm's
[19:04] <pawiecki> and i can't live without them ;)
[19:04] <dasKreech> pawiecki, well part of ubuntu is having a time based release. It's how the system operates. As said you can use a LTS release
[19:04] <dasKreech> which is an upgrade every two years
[19:04]  * James147 notes charkra dosnt use debs or rpms ^^
[19:04] <pawiecki> but LTS is not up to date
[19:05] <pawiecki> i mean apps
[19:05] <pawiecki> or did they fixed this?
[19:05] <James147> pawiecki: so your argument is that kubuntu dosnt take enough time to test before relaseing, but you also want the latest packages avaible?
[19:06] <pawiecki> packages like Firefox, Libreoffice, vlc... yes
[19:06] <James147> what about muon, amarok, samba?
[19:06] <dasKreech> pawiecki, that's my point. If you are stable then you are giving up something. Either the number of applications or the timeliness of them
[19:10] <pawiecki> well maybe i'm to used to windows model, when you have up to date apps which doesn't affect system
[19:11] <James147> pawiecki: problem is there isnt really that distinction in linux
[19:11] <dasKreech> pawiecki, Well a) Linux isn't Windows and b) You are probably wrong about the applications being up to date
[19:12] <pawiecki> why wrong?
[19:12] <dasKreech> You make assumptions as to what is new. In Linux you can actually watch and see the development and participate
[19:13] <dasKreech> Something that takes two years to build on Linux feels like it's taking forever to be stable even though it's new
[19:13] <dasKreech> On Windows you can have something take three years but because you can't see it and it's entirely closed off you don't consider it
[19:14] <dasKreech> The latest version of Skype is six though if you follow the blog posts you know they are already running skype 8 internally
[19:14] <pawiecki> dasKreech: didn't i mention firefox and libreoffice?
[19:14] <dasKreech> so you are two versions out of date
[19:14] <pawiecki> they're both open even on windows
[19:15] <James147> pawiecki: they are also two verylarge projects... not all open source software has their man power
[19:15] <dasKreech> which brings me  to the second aspect :) Linux is not Windows
[19:16] <pawiecki> and that's a good thing
[19:16] <dasKreech> on Windows a application ships with all of it's depends and libraries coupled with it. On Linux it depends on what the system has installed.
[19:16] <dasKreech> so if gtk isn't up to snuff then it doesn't make sense to upgrade firefox. Or perhaps the other way around
[19:16] <Snowhog> pawiecki: There is no such thing as an operating system that is "error free".
[19:16] <James147> ^^ generally, you can do both (though it uses more space an dmemory)
[19:17] <dasKreech> something could be upgraded and patched so much that it makes another package behave in ways unexpected
[19:18] <dasKreech> so for example if you track the number of packages which use libc upgrading that one package means that an enormous testing regime must kick offf
[19:18] <dasKreech> so you then have to choose. Either you have a very stable set of applications which have been very throughly tested (debianstable/Redhat)
[19:19] <dasKreech> Some inbetween where you have newer packages that work most of the time for most of the people but has some corner cases that can't be taken into account right now (Ubuntu/Fedora)
[19:20] <dasKreech> or crazy new packages that stream from a developers keyboard to your computer but have no stability concerns and no testing (debian sid/LFS)
[19:22] <dasKreech> You can't have brand spanking new things and perfect stability because what's considered new in windows is horribly old in most Linux considerations and on Windows you ship with a self contained system for each application whereas you are moving into a neighbourhood and trying to integrate on Linux
[19:22] <pawiecki> ahh i didn't wanted to make this linux vs windows. I know Kubuntu depends on many packages and every single one of them can broke something.
[19:23] <dasKreech> pawiecki, I understand. Just saying that what's considered up to date is not the same based on visibility
[19:24] <dasKreech> If you can't abide any crashes then having things work is probably of the utmost importance so choose your compilation of packages that optimize for that
[19:25] <dasKreech> if you are a feature hunter then you want newer things but you have to accept that some of them will be incomplete and may sometimes change how things work until more feedback is cycled through but you would optimize your packages to be much newer with more features
[19:25] <dasKreech> Kubuntu is somewhere in the middle. you can choose if you want to err on either side
[19:25] <Timurator> Hi all
[19:25] <BentFranklin> Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how you view it, I find the best way to go is have Windows for some things (usually front end) and Linux for others (back end stuff like rsync, mysql, etc).
[19:25] <dasKreech> hi Timurator
[19:26] <dasKreech> BentFranklin, depends on what you optimzing for of course :)
[19:26] <BentFranklin> Well, I'm optimizing for BentFranklin.
[19:27] <dasKreech> pawiecki, as an example some people will update to the RC of the new version of Kubuntu to get in early. Others will wait till a month after the new release comes out before upgrading so that day one discovered crashes will be patched out.
[19:27] <dasKreech> BentFranklin, Perfectly alright :) that's the point of FOSS. Here is your Key and kite. Straightened out I'm afraid
[19:28] <dasKreech> pawiecki, so if you like you can simply wait a week after an update is released to install it to see if it causes issues. (I have 148 waiting updates on my computer)
[19:28] <pawiecki> dasKreech: i know, myself i once testet ubuntu 11.04 beta, but the problem is - after release it was still of beta, or even alpha  quality
[19:29] <pawiecki> tested* grr
[19:29] <dasKreech> pawiecki, Which could then prompt you to stay on 10.10 :-) it worked for you for 6 months another month won't kill you
[19:29] <pawiecki> that's the main problem
[19:30] <Timurator> Can anyone please tell me how to customize a kde4.7 desktop for rollout to 50 users. We need to set wallpaper. have some custom widgets on the desktop etc.
[19:30] <pawiecki> no it won't kill me, but why then i can't have the newest firefox on 10.10?
[19:31] <dasKreech> Timurator, look into kiosk
[19:31] <dasKreech> pawiecki, PPA
[19:32] <pawiecki> PPA is a workaround, not solution in my opinion
[19:33] <Timurator> thanks, will do
[19:33] <pawiecki> but ok, let it be PPA
[19:33] <pawiecki> what if i still have for example kubuntu 8.04?
[19:34] <pawiecki> it worked for me and didn't wanted to upgrade
[19:34] <pawiecki> is there a PPA for it? :)
[19:35] <James147> pawiecki: the problem with picking and chosing what application you want to upgrade is then conflicting librarys....
[19:35] <dasKreech> pawiecki, Yes:)
[19:36] <pawiecki> ok, think i need an LTS then :)
[19:36] <James147> pawiecki: if you want to upgrade firefox to the latest on 8.04, it requrires a newer version of lib X, however application B wants an olver version of lib X to work and so breaks, the solution? upgrade applivation B, but what about C? or D?
[19:37] <pawiecki> James147: so it's better to just upgrade the system
[19:37] <James147> pawiecki: but then that leads to less tested software.... there is no end to this agrument...
[19:37] <dasKreech> James147, Well you could make a PPA for yourself that packages the entire thing into a chroot then points your /bin firefox to that
[19:37] <dasKreech> It would take a little work but you can do it
[19:37] <James147> dasKreech: yey, new distro for every package :D
[19:38] <dasKreech> James147, If you like  :)
[19:38] <pawiecki> hehe
[19:38]  * James147 prefires linux bundles like chakra dose http://chakra-linux.org/bundles.html
[19:38] <pawiecki> ok let's change topic a bit. Have you tried 12.04?
[19:39] <James147> ^^ which is basically taht
[19:39] <BluesKaj> pawiecki,  12.04 LTS isn't scheduled for release until Apr 26th. Not in month.
[19:40] <BluesKaj> one month
[19:40] <James147> kde 4.8 however is due this week :D
[19:40] <dasKreech> \o/
[19:41] <pawiecki> yes but you can upgrade to test it
[19:41] <BluesKaj> already using it , but I'm lready on 12.04 , it's the default
[19:41] <James147> pawiecki: my system will upgrade when its realse anyway... and my laptop is currently testing it :)
[19:41] <BluesKaj> 4.7.97
[19:41] <pawiecki> James147: how is it working?
[19:42] <James147> great on my laptop which is running arch ^^
[19:42] <James147> BluesKaj: hows it on kubuntu?
[19:43] <csgeek> I'm trying to setup a second monitor using Kubuntu.  I used to be able to choose how the monitors are displayed (ie. position of monitor..) right now I can't seem to do anything but clone my primary monitor....
[19:43] <csgeek> do I need some twinview KDE module or xinemera?
[19:43] <James147> csgeek: what graphics card?
[19:44] <csgeek> intel...   primary display is laptop , with an extrernal vga monitor... one sec i'll get you specifics
[19:44] <pawiecki> worth testing? kubuntu is now my secondary OS so i could try it
[19:44] <csgeek> lspci:  Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[19:44] <BluesKaj> so far so good this last 3 weel=ks or so. James147 . We did have a kernel panic login problem and the libreoffice upgrade blocked any other upgrades due to broken dependencies then as well, a few weeks back
[19:46] <BluesKaj> but that' really not a kde issue
[19:46] <James147> csgeek: then you should beable to chage the settings in System settings > display and monitor >  size and orientation... and change position to not be "clone of"
[19:47] <BluesKaj> kde seems quite fine , aamof , better than the resizing issues with 4.7.3/4
[19:47] <csgeek> James147: I was able to 'till a few days...
[19:47] <James147> hmm
[19:47] <csgeek> hold on...
[19:47] <csgeek> the "Clone Of" is grayed out
[19:48] <csgeek> all I can change is the Orientation
[19:48] <pawiecki> like gay or strait?
[19:49] <pawiecki> sry :P
[19:51] <djones__> csgeek: is the unify outputs box checked?
[19:52] <csgeek> djones__:  sorry.... I'm going to go back and hibernate again.. thanks for finding my silliness
[20:13] <Snowhog> pawiecki: [01-22-2012@10:30:53] <pawiecki> no it won't kill me, but why then i can't have the newest firefox on 10.10?  For the same reason that you can't install Windows 7 applications in Windows 98.
[20:14] <dasKreech> Snowhog, Except that he can
[20:14] <dasKreech> (Not Windows 7 applications in Windows 98 that would mean you have choice)
[20:15] <Snowhog> dasKreech: Well, not all. The point being made is that 'newer' versions depend on other supporting apps/libraries, that in an older version of Kubuntu, aren't there, or are not new enough.
[20:15] <datruth> is theree a winscp version of for kubuntu?
[20:16] <dasKreech> Snowhog, Yes but you can chroot those and still install insanely newer applications as long as they have kernel support
[20:16] <pawiecki> well if not all, then most of win vista, xp and 98 apps will run in 7
[20:17] <dasKreech> datruth, perhaps you could say what features you want
[20:17] <Snowhog> dasKreech: But only if the other dependencies can be met, as was pointed out.
[20:17] <dasKreech> pawiecki, that wasn't what you were talking about :) you wanted newer stuff on older versions
[20:17] <James147> datruth: wellm there is scp :) or rsync.. or is you want a gui just use dolphin
[20:17] <dasKreech> Snowhog, Which for the most part they can as long as there is kernel support
[20:17] <Snowhog> pawiecki: Older Windows apps run in newer versions of Windows, but not necessarily the other way round.
[20:17] <pawiecki> yes but i referred to Snowhog
[20:17] <datruth> ahh okay yeah just wanted a gui
[20:18] <djones__> how can i make the screen saver go away while vlc is in full screen?
[20:19] <James147> datruth: dolphin then ^^ it can talk most filetransfer protocalls (sftp, fish, ftp...)
[20:19] <datruth> gotcha
[20:19] <pawiecki> and sry for my english i don't use it much
[20:19] <djones__> or maybe even just on the screen that that doesnt have full screen vlc on it
[20:19] <James147> datruth: just enter <protocal>://<address>/<path>  ie "sftp://192.168.1.1/home"
[20:20]  * datruth is happy he can wake his computer up from sleep mode now
[20:20] <datruth> James147: ahh ok cool thx
[20:20] <James147> datruth: you can even add them to the places panel if you vist them allot
[20:21] <datruth> ahh awesome
[20:24] <dasKreech> datruth, Filezilla is a good winscp replacement or use sftp:// in dolphin
[20:25] <datruth> oh wow
[20:25] <datruth> didn't know filezilla did that
[20:25] <datruth> i'll play with that
[20:26] <James147> ^^ any reason not to use the already installed dolphin?
[20:28] <pawiecki> James147: because Filezilla has this sexy "zilla" in it ;)
[20:28] <pawiecki> ...and Dolphin doesn't
[20:34] <Orcris_> Is there any way to hide a system tray icon in Kubuntu?
[20:35] <Orcris_> Neve mind. I found it.
[20:45] <krise> Hi, can anybody tell me how turn on shuffle on amarok
[20:45] <James147> krise: at the bottom of the playlist click the button at the end turn on random
[20:46] <James147> (on amarok 2.5.0 at least, though I think the button has always been in that area)
[20:47] <krise> Thanks James147, got it
[21:09] <jonah> hi does anyone know how to get the channel list up in quassel, surely there's a gui for it and not just command?
[21:16] <Snowhog> jonah: Don't believe so. Nothing in Quassel's configuration settings has anything for a channel list.
[21:23] <jonah> Snowhog, that's bizarre, how do you look for a new channel to ask for help for something in?
[21:28] <jonah> Snowhog: found it, you righ-click on the server name on the left and press show channel list!!
[21:32] <Snowhog> jonah: Hey. Cool. Thanks.