| penguin42 | I seem to remember someone saying ~1 week ago that a new X server was imminent - how imminent is it? | 00:29 |
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| jtaylor | its in staging | 00:29 |
| penguin42 | what version is it? I ask because I've got a bug that I'm told is fixed in upstream (although I'm not sure which upstream that actually is) | 00:31 |
| jtaylor | 1.11 + input stack from 1.12 | 00:31 |
| jtaylor | (no idea what that means, its just what I read in the mail) | 00:31 |
| jtaylor | you can test now here: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/x-staging | 00:32 |
| penguin42 | ah, that's a pity - it's got the same version of the one I was interested in - the -qxl driver | 00:33 |
| penguin42 | hmm I wonder why Serge hasn't made a build of that; he's attached a debdiff to the bug and sent the patch up to debian | 00:38 |
| edgy | hi | 01:22 |
| edgy | $ mkdir test && cd test && touch a && du . a | 01:22 |
| edgy | 12 . | 01:22 |
| edgy | why I am not getting the usage of a? | 01:22 |
| frimind | hi, is there anyone | 08:08 |
| frimind | ? | 08:08 |
| frimind | nope :D | 08:09 |
| Fudge | lost here is this right .bashrc export DEBEMAIL="email@host" and DEBFULLNAME="my name" | 08:48 |
| sagaci | Fudge that's right, as long as it's the same as your gpg key detials | 09:06 |
| sagaci | details* | 09:06 |
| Fudge | is precise going to be 'arm' supported arch | 09:21 |
| Fudge | sagaci thanks | 09:22 |
| Fudge | had to use -k though to make debuild recognise me | 09:22 |
| snadge | canonical are just copying microsoft and apple | 09:47 |
| snadge | j/k | 09:47 |
| snadge | im upgrading my 6th ubuntu system to +1 :P | 09:48 |
| snadge | whilst consuming beer | 09:48 |
| snadge | all ubuntu upgrades require alcohol | 09:48 |
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| * penguin42 waits for the python update to install so he can listen to some music | 12:20 | |
| penguin42 | right, that's better! | 12:22 |
| Fudge | lol | 12:40 |
| Fudge | anyone here ever made a package where a script copies into /usr/local/bin on launchpad? | 12:40 |
| Fudge | well not at launchpad but the chroot syustems on launchpad | 12:41 |
| penguin42 | why would you want to? | 12:42 |
| testi | I remember that in lucid (and maybe also in natty) heavily moving windows used about 2-3% (shared among Xorg and compiz) of the cpu, now I get 30-40% (shared among Xorg and compiz) | 12:47 |
| testi | it's an old intel centrino laptop. | 12:47 |
| Fudge | penguin42 was that why, to me? | 12:49 |
| penguin42 | Fudge: Yes | 12:49 |
| Fudge | oh ok its a little script that the package is supposed to copy into /usr/local/bin | 12:49 |
| Fudge | but kept failing, i guess that in launchpads chroot that directory doesn | 12:50 |
| jtaylor | packages should not use /usr/local | 12:50 |
| Fudge | exist | 12:50 |
| Fudge | jtaylor could you tell me why? | 12:50 |
| jtaylor | /usr/local is the space that is guaranteed not to be touched by package managers | 12:51 |
| jtaylor | so administrators can put stuff in there without fearing being overwritten by updates | 12:51 |
| Fudge | ah right, hesne local, for users to do local mods | 12:51 |
| Fudge | yep i get ya | 12:51 |
| Fudge | so i shoudl have put it in /usr/bin probably | 12:51 |
| jtaylor | yes | 12:51 |
| em | jtaylor: when you say administrators do you mean the owners of the computer? | 12:52 |
| jtaylor | depends | 12:52 |
| jtaylor | owner != administrator in some cases | 12:52 |
| em | Oh I think I know what you mean though. | 12:52 |
| Fudge | cool | 12:53 |
| em | I have not updated my ubuntu since Maverick. | 12:53 |
| em | What am I missing out on? | 12:53 |
| jtaylor | newer software versions, gnome3, unity etc | 12:54 |
| Fudge | maverick was pretty good | 12:54 |
| em | I'm happy with Maverick. So many people have warned me against Unity. | 12:55 |
| jtaylor | I like it, though I'm pretty much happy when I have a working terminel ;) | 12:55 |
| jtaylor | note that maverick goes end of life in 3 month | 12:56 |
| em | that's a shame. | 12:57 |
| em | That means no more updates? | 12:57 |
| jtaylor | yes | 12:57 |
| em | well after such a long time shouldn't it be updated about as much as possible? | 12:57 |
| jtaylor | lucid til has one year of support though | 12:57 |
| jtaylor | the issue are security updates | 12:57 |
| em | Said another way, if something is so old then most of the bugs are worked out already? | 12:57 |
| jtaylor | those are needed constantantly | 12:58 |
| em | Why does it work that way? When i think of security updates I imagine someone found some breach that needs to be filled. | 12:58 |
| em | Why is it not the case that the longer people have been looking for breeches the less likely a new one will be found? | 12:58 |
| Fudge | u can backport to natty though | 12:59 |
| Fudge | make it sing if u like, install unity somewhere else see if u like it | 12:59 |
| jtaylor | there are security issues everywhere even in very old code | 12:59 |
| jtaylor | they are only discovered with time | 12:59 |
| jtaylor | and then affect even very old software | 12:59 |
| em | do the number of new updates move asymptotically to zero though? | 13:00 |
| em | If there were a release which never end of lifed, would they eventually finally fix it? | 13:00 |
| jtaylor | no its even more likely to increase with time | 13:00 |
| jtaylor | as more and more focus is put on security research nowadays | 13:00 |
| em | It's confusing because software is made out of a programming language which is basically mathematics running on top of physics. It seems like it should be possible to make something that works the same way forever. | 13:01 |
| jtaylor | thats very hard to do | 13:01 |
| Fudge | thanks very much for the local packaging advice guys | 13:01 |
| jtaylor | proving that a program works correctly in every situation is practically impossible | 13:01 |
| jtaylor | an example would be the recently discovered bsd telnet flaw | 13:06 |
| jtaylor | telnet is very old stuff, but only a month ago a serious issue was found with it | 13:07 |
| jtaylor | luckily not many use telnet anymore | 13:07 |
| penguin42 | yes, that was a fun one - an odd bug for the 21st century :-) | 13:23 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | looking to install kubuntu-desktop is that an option ? | 13:40 |
| penguin42 | mydogsnameisrudy: Sure | 13:41 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | ok sudo apt-get intall kubuntu-desktop? | 13:42 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | but at the login screen i see no option to switch | 13:43 |
| penguin42 | odd | 13:44 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | just ubuntu and i think it ubuntu2 maybe | 13:44 |
| penguin42 | are you sure that apt-get installed OK? I'm surprised it was so quick | 13:45 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | no it took time to install i did it last nite | 13:45 |
| penguin42 | haha ok | 13:46 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | maybe check to see if it installed then | 13:46 |
| ts2 | check what's in /usr/share/xsessions/, if you see something like "kde-plasma.desktop", then you probably just need to restart the display manager to make it pick up the new file | 13:47 |
| ts2 | otherwise, if you don't see it, then something went wrong with the install... | 13:47 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | ok thx ill take a look | 13:47 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | ok it didnt install will reinstall and see thx | 13:53 |
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| * penguin42 wonders why virtuoso-t is taking 39% cpu | 15:32 | |
| BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 15:47 |
| penguin42 | Hey BK | 15:54 |
| FernandoMiguel | oi | 16:20 |
| gnomefreak | is bzr-notify crashing for anyone else? if not can you post the version you have? | 16:25 |
| thechef | I have the feeling that CPU stepping isnt as sensitive as before making the UI slower. | 17:00 |
| FernandoMiguel | any linux app to test my LCD? | 17:03 |
| penguin42 | test? | 17:07 |
| BluesKaj | FernandoMiguel, LCD TV or monitor? | 17:12 |
| FernandoMiguel | laptop | 17:12 |
| FernandoMiguel | I think I have a dead pixel | 17:12 |
| penguin42 | FernandoMiguel: Show a full white screen - I just use a full screen xterm | 17:12 |
| bjsnider | take a screenshot and post it to a picpost site like imgur | 17:18 |
| bjsnider | if the issue isn't in the screenshot, it's hardware | 17:18 |
| bjsnider | if you touch the monitor where the dead pixel is, it might clear up | 17:18 |
| penguin42 | and if it moves, check if it has legs :-) | 17:20 |
| FernandoMiguel | :) | 17:24 |
| FernandoMiguel | ever since I dropped this laptop .... | 17:24 |
| FernandoMiguel | I've seen color flutations | 17:25 |
| FernandoMiguel | stupid me | 17:25 |
| penguin42 | hmm what do you mean fluctuations - in one area or the whole screen ? | 17:25 |
| FernandoMiguel | color temp | 17:25 |
| FernandoMiguel | white isn't white... is warmer | 17:25 |
| penguin42 | oh hmm, a subtle problem | 17:26 |
| FernandoMiguel | a serious one | 17:26 |
| penguin42 | how much warmer? | 17:26 |
| penguin42 | do you mean it's actually pink ? | 17:26 |
| penguin42 | FernandoMiguel: ok, 3 thoughts 1) A backlight fault (sucks) 2) Missing one of red/green/blue 3) There is a colour temp adjust somewhere .... | 17:29 |
| FernandoMiguel | penguin42: going to yellowish | 17:29 |
| FernandoMiguel | penguin42: color is fine... most of the times | 17:30 |
| penguin42 | FernandoMiguel: I'd try and display a full screen pure red, then a pure green, then a pure blue and see if any of them look very wrong | 17:30 |
| FernandoMiguel | but times it jumps | 17:30 |
| bjsnider | if there's no visible physical damage, you can call and have the warranty queue replace the laptop. but DO NOT tell them that you dropped it. say that it developed on its own | 17:30 |
| FernandoMiguel | but since I dropped it, no RMA for it | 17:30 |
| FernandoMiguel | bjsnider: its visible | 17:30 |
| bjsnider | how bad is it? | 17:30 |
| FernandoMiguel | the corner is put in | 17:30 |
| bjsnider | ok, forget it | 17:30 |
| penguin42 | FernandoMiguel: Try xterm -bg red and full screen it | 17:31 |
| bjsnider | don't drop equipment | 17:31 |
| FernandoMiguel | AH | 17:31 |
| penguin42 | bjsnider: Submit a bug report against gravity | 17:31 |
| bjsnider | it's been poorly coded because it can't be shut off | 17:32 |
| FernandoMiguel | sure it can | 17:33 |
| FernandoMiguel | just get away from any other corpse | 17:33 |
| akharris | can i upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04, i dont have a usb or dvd | 17:59 |
| ikonia | akharris: what did I just tell you in #ubuntu ? | 18:00 |
| ikonia | "check the topic" | 18:01 |
| akharris | i did.... | 18:01 |
| ikonia | akharris: however if you are not confident with how to upgrade, upgrading to unstable software releases seems a bad idea | 18:01 |
| penguin42 | can someone else running Unity on +1 tell me what happens when they resize a window? | 18:46 |
| Daekdroom | penguin42, nothing other than a window gets resized | 18:47 |
| penguin42 | Daekdroom: OK, can I ask some more detail - does the window resize interactively - for me I get an orange overlay on the window and the overlay resizes as I stretch it, the window only resizes on release | 18:48 |
| Daekdroom | penguin42, It only resizes on release for me | 18:49 |
| penguin42 | Daekdroom: OK, it's a shame - I liked getting windows the 'right' width when some windows showed the size information -e.g. a terminal showing you when you had got to 80x24 | 18:50 |
| imnichol | Anyone else seeing an issue where the breadcrumb trail in nautilus is colored strangely? | 19:29 |
| Daekdroom | I am | 19:30 |
| imnichol | Do you know if there's a bug open? | 19:47 |
| Daekdroom | I don't | 19:51 |
| FernandoMiguel | VO: [xv] 4096x2304 => 4096x2304 Planar YV12 | 20:04 |
| FernandoMiguel | Source image dimensions are too high: 4096x2304 (maximum is 2048x2048) | 20:04 |
| FernandoMiguel | my love for mplayer is lost ! | 20:04 |
| jtaylor | thats a large video :O | 20:09 |
| Ian_Corne | :D | 20:09 |
| Ian_Corne | 2048 is just silly :p | 20:09 |
| Ian_Corne | 2560x1600 would be something | 20:10 |
| Daekdroom | Another output method could work. | 20:10 |
| penguin42 | what res are cinemas these days? | 20:10 |
| Daekdroom | (instead of xv) | 20:10 |
| FernandoMiguel | jtaylor: 4k | 20:12 |
| FernandoMiguel | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-GYrbecb88 | 20:12 |
| Daekdroom | For a moment I forgot movies are now shot using HD cameras | 20:13 |
| jtaylor | how many people ahve the hardware to even view that movie in its full scale | 20:14 |
| penguin42 | jtaylor: Well, you'll just have to get some otherwise you won't be able to fix that bug! | 20:15 |
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