[00:29] I seem to remember someone saying ~1 week ago that a new X server was imminent - how imminent is it? [00:29] its in staging [00:31] what version is it? I ask because I've got a bug that I'm told is fixed in upstream (although I'm not sure which upstream that actually is) [00:31] 1.11 + input stack from 1.12 [00:31] (no idea what that means, its just what I read in the mail) [00:32] you can test now here: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/x-staging [00:33] ah, that's a pity - it's got the same version of the one I was interested in - the -qxl driver [00:38] hmm I wonder why Serge hasn't made a build of that; he's attached a debdiff to the bug and sent the patch up to debian [01:22] hi [01:22] $ mkdir test && cd test && touch a && du . a [01:22] 12 . [01:22] why I am not getting the usage of a? [08:08] hi, is there anyone [08:08] ? [08:09] nope :D [08:48] lost here is this right .bashrc export DEBEMAIL="email@host" and DEBFULLNAME="my name" [09:06] Fudge that's right, as long as it's the same as your gpg key detials [09:06] details* [09:21] is precise going to be 'arm' supported arch [09:22] sagaci thanks [09:22] had to use -k though to make debuild recognise me [09:47] canonical are just copying microsoft and apple [09:47] j/k [09:48] im upgrading my 6th ubuntu system to +1 :P [09:48] whilst consuming beer [09:48] all ubuntu upgrades require alcohol === dooglus_ is now known as dooglus === arand_ is now known as arand === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:20] * penguin42 waits for the python update to install so he can listen to some music [12:22] right, that's better! [12:40] lol [12:40] anyone here ever made a package where a script copies into /usr/local/bin on launchpad? [12:41] well not at launchpad but the chroot syustems on launchpad [12:42] why would you want to? [12:47] I remember that in lucid (and maybe also in natty) heavily moving windows used about 2-3% (shared among Xorg and compiz) of the cpu, now I get 30-40% (shared among Xorg and compiz) [12:47] it's an old intel centrino laptop. [12:49] penguin42 was that why, to me? [12:49] Fudge: Yes [12:49] oh ok its a little script that the package is supposed to copy into /usr/local/bin [12:50] but kept failing, i guess that in launchpads chroot that directory doesn [12:50] packages should not use /usr/local [12:50] exist [12:50] jtaylor could you tell me why? [12:51] /usr/local is the space that is guaranteed not to be touched by package managers [12:51] so administrators can put stuff in there without fearing being overwritten by updates [12:51] ah right, hesne local, for users to do local mods [12:51] yep i get ya [12:51] so i shoudl have put it in /usr/bin probably [12:51] yes [12:52] jtaylor: when you say administrators do you mean the owners of the computer? [12:52] depends [12:52] owner != administrator in some cases [12:52] Oh I think I know what you mean though. [12:53] cool [12:53] I have not updated my ubuntu since Maverick. [12:53] What am I missing out on? [12:54] newer software versions, gnome3, unity etc [12:54] maverick was pretty good [12:55] I'm happy with Maverick. So many people have warned me against Unity. [12:55] I like it, though I'm pretty much happy when I have a working terminel ;) [12:56] note that maverick goes end of life in 3 month [12:57] that's a shame. [12:57] That means no more updates? [12:57] yes [12:57] well after such a long time shouldn't it be updated about as much as possible? [12:57] lucid til has one year of support though [12:57] the issue are security updates [12:57] Said another way, if something is so old then most of the bugs are worked out already? [12:58] those are needed constantantly [12:58] Why does it work that way? When i think of security updates I imagine someone found some breach that needs to be filled. [12:58] Why is it not the case that the longer people have been looking for breeches the less likely a new one will be found? [12:59] u can backport to natty though [12:59] make it sing if u like, install unity somewhere else see if u like it [12:59] there are security issues everywhere even in very old code [12:59] they are only discovered with time [12:59] and then affect even very old software [13:00] do the number of new updates move asymptotically to zero though? [13:00] If there were a release which never end of lifed, would they eventually finally fix it? [13:00] no its even more likely to increase with time [13:00] as more and more focus is put on security research nowadays [13:01] It's confusing because software is made out of a programming language which is basically mathematics running on top of physics. It seems like it should be possible to make something that works the same way forever. [13:01] thats very hard to do [13:01] thanks very much for the local packaging advice guys [13:01] proving that a program works correctly in every situation is practically impossible [13:06] an example would be the recently discovered bsd telnet flaw [13:07] telnet is very old stuff, but only a month ago a serious issue was found with it [13:07] luckily not many use telnet anymore [13:23] yes, that was a fun one - an odd bug for the 21st century :-) [13:40] looking to install kubuntu-desktop is that an option ? [13:41] mydogsnameisrudy: Sure [13:42] ok sudo apt-get intall kubuntu-desktop? [13:43] but at the login screen i see no option to switch [13:44] odd [13:44] just ubuntu and i think it ubuntu2 maybe [13:45] are you sure that apt-get installed OK? I'm surprised it was so quick [13:45] no it took time to install i did it last nite [13:46] haha ok [13:46] maybe check to see if it installed then [13:47] check what's in /usr/share/xsessions/, if you see something like "kde-plasma.desktop", then you probably just need to restart the display manager to make it pick up the new file [13:47] otherwise, if you don't see it, then something went wrong with the install... [13:47] ok thx ill take a look [13:53] ok it didnt install will reinstall and see thx === WaltherF1 is now known as WaltherFI [15:32] * penguin42 wonders why virtuoso-t is taking 39% cpu [15:47] Howdy folks [15:54] Hey BK [16:20] oi [16:25] is bzr-notify crashing for anyone else? if not can you post the version you have? [17:00] I have the feeling that CPU stepping isnt as sensitive as before making the UI slower. [17:03] any linux app to test my LCD? [17:07] test? [17:12] FernandoMiguel, LCD TV or monitor? [17:12] laptop [17:12] I think I have a dead pixel [17:12] FernandoMiguel: Show a full white screen - I just use a full screen xterm [17:18] take a screenshot and post it to a picpost site like imgur [17:18] if the issue isn't in the screenshot, it's hardware [17:18] if you touch the monitor where the dead pixel is, it might clear up [17:20] and if it moves, check if it has legs :-) [17:24] :) [17:24] ever since I dropped this laptop .... [17:25] I've seen color flutations [17:25] stupid me [17:25] hmm what do you mean fluctuations - in one area or the whole screen ? [17:25] color temp [17:25] white isn't white... is warmer [17:26] oh hmm, a subtle problem [17:26] a serious one [17:26] how much warmer? [17:26] do you mean it's actually pink ? [17:29] FernandoMiguel: ok, 3 thoughts 1) A backlight fault (sucks) 2) Missing one of red/green/blue 3) There is a colour temp adjust somewhere .... [17:29] penguin42: going to yellowish [17:30] penguin42: color is fine... most of the times [17:30] FernandoMiguel: I'd try and display a full screen pure red, then a pure green, then a pure blue and see if any of them look very wrong [17:30] but times it jumps [17:30] if there's no visible physical damage, you can call and have the warranty queue replace the laptop. but DO NOT tell them that you dropped it. say that it developed on its own [17:30] but since I dropped it, no RMA for it [17:30] bjsnider: its visible [17:30] how bad is it? [17:30] the corner is put in [17:30] ok, forget it [17:31] FernandoMiguel: Try xterm -bg red and full screen it [17:31] don't drop equipment [17:31] AH [17:31] bjsnider: Submit a bug report against gravity [17:32] it's been poorly coded because it can't be shut off [17:33] sure it can [17:33] just get away from any other corpse [17:59] can i upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04, i dont have a usb or dvd [18:00] akharris: what did I just tell you in #ubuntu ? [18:01] "check the topic" [18:01] i did.... [18:01] akharris: however if you are not confident with how to upgrade, upgrading to unstable software releases seems a bad idea [18:46] can someone else running Unity on +1 tell me what happens when they resize a window? [18:47] penguin42, nothing other than a window gets resized [18:48] Daekdroom: OK, can I ask some more detail - does the window resize interactively - for me I get an orange overlay on the window and the overlay resizes as I stretch it, the window only resizes on release [18:49] penguin42, It only resizes on release for me [18:50] Daekdroom: OK, it's a shame - I liked getting windows the 'right' width when some windows showed the size information -e.g. a terminal showing you when you had got to 80x24 [19:29] Anyone else seeing an issue where the breadcrumb trail in nautilus is colored strangely? [19:30] I am [19:47] Do you know if there's a bug open? [19:51] I don't [20:04] VO: [xv] 4096x2304 => 4096x2304 Planar YV12 [20:04] Source image dimensions are too high: 4096x2304 (maximum is 2048x2048) [20:04] my love for mplayer is lost ! [20:09] thats a large video :O [20:09] :D [20:09] 2048 is just silly :p [20:10] 2560x1600 would be something [20:10] Another output method could work. [20:10] what res are cinemas these days? [20:10] (instead of xv) [20:12] jtaylor: 4k [20:12] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-GYrbecb88 [20:13] For a moment I forgot movies are now shot using HD cameras [20:14] how many people ahve the hardware to even view that movie in its full scale [20:15] jtaylor: Well, you'll just have to get some otherwise you won't be able to fix that bug!