| ubottu | In ubottu, jeremiah_ said: it is a greeting that humans use when they meet each other. | 02:58 |
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| ubottu | ActionPa1snip called the ops in #ubuntu (Emery) | 03:44 |
| bazhang | TiMiDo, hi | 05:41 |
| bazhang | may want to key an eye on Emanon ; going off on why Ubuntu is not securing against sopa etc. time for me to go to Chinese New Year dinner. back later. | 07:37 |
| Myrtti | can we just translate the !list into italian? | 10:04 |
| vibhav | Do I need to say anything about ATomicSpark? | 11:23 |
| vibhav | AtomicSpark* | 11:23 |
| vibhav | Please ask him to stop | 11:23 |
| Myrtti | which particular part? | 11:24 |
| Myrtti | and why didn't you tell him to stop yourself? | 11:25 |
| Myrtti | you can do it you know, if you find it offensive - I just misread India as Indonesia and by that mistake didn't see anything wrong, but of course India doesn't have as harsh sharia laws as some countries - like Iran | 11:26 |
| vibhav | Myrtti: 1st I thought that reporting this thing to ops might be better | 11:33 |
| vibhav | And 2nd , I am not offenced | 11:33 |
| Myrtti | I personally would prefer if you'd tell him off yourself, some people actually do take it seriously. In theory it shouldn't matter who tells them off | 11:33 |
| vibhav | Well , I have done this many times but he takes no heed | 11:34 |
| LjL | vibhav: well, he made a "humorous" statement which i found unfortunate, but, i don't think it really crosses the line | 11:34 |
| LjL | although atomicspark often does... not cross the line, while still being... uh :| | 11:35 |
| vibhav | Its non family friendly, and he often insults my country | 11:35 |
| vibhav | So , may I quit? | 11:36 |
| Myrtti | you were free to do so after reporting your issue | 11:36 |
| Myrtti | :-| | 11:37 |
| LjL | if i had a penny for every time someone on IRC "insulted italy"... | 11:37 |
| * Myrtti hangs her head in shame | 11:38 | |
| Myrtti | LjL: will you ever forgive me? | 11:38 |
| LjL | Myrtti: what for | 11:39 |
| Myrtti | for insulting your country? | 11:39 |
| LjL | Myrtti: sure, i'll actually give you cement shoes as peace-making present | 11:39 |
| LjL | Myrtti: or do you prefer a ticket for a cruise on an italian ship? | 11:40 |
| Myrtti | thanks, I'll send you a parcel of tasteless, brown, gloopy, insulting dessert instead. | 11:40 |
| Myrtti | s/instead/as a peace offering/ | 11:41 |
| LjL | talking muffins? | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A4mmi | 11:41 |
| LjL | Its laxative properties were associated with purification and purging. | 11:42 |
| Myrtti | LjL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4122596.stm | 11:43 |
| LjL | :( | 11:45 |
| oCean | Carmivore (~carmivmor@unaffiliated/hardfu/bot/carmivore) bot? | 14:11 |
| Myrtti | possibly, but if it's quiet there's nothing really to be done | 14:11 |
| Myrtti | LjL: you do know why he is asking in -ot, right? | 14:12 |
| Myrtti | - just checking | 14:12 |
| LjL | Myrtti: because he got no reply in #ubuntu? | 14:12 |
| Myrtti | afaik because he's banned there. | 14:12 |
| oCean | wat if it's logging? I'm not sure but somehow I thought karmivore has something todo with karma (points?) | 14:12 |
| LjL | oh, that's different. | 14:12 |
| LjL | oCean: if not publicly logging, then i don't see the problem | 14:13 |
| LjL | Myrtti: i'd still tell him something more along the line of "if you're banned in #ubuntu you can't ask your support questions here instead" | 14:13 |
| LjL | AlanBell: can you give me your home address so i can knock at your door when i have an Ubuntu problem | 14:19 |
| AlanBell | sounds like a great plan | 14:20 |
| Myrtti | wb | 14:24 |
| LjL | what would Alt+Z do | 14:34 |
| bazhang | nothing here | 14:35 |
| bazhang | iamfast appears to have been klined though | 14:35 |
| LjL | yes | 14:35 |
| LjL | must have had something to do with niko cycling the channel ;) | 14:36 |
| bazhang | so if we get some more complaints about support in -ot then ask them to stop? | 14:37 |
| LjL | i'm just not comfortable with people banned from #ubuntu getting support there | 14:38 |
| LjL | (or crossposts) | 14:38 |
| bazhang | bkerensa just made a comment. perhaps one or two more? | 14:38 |
| oCean | I agree, support in -ot is just weird | 14:43 |
| LjL | the thing is, the most trivial of things appears to have to be decided in IRCC meetings rather than just done, because process | 14:45 |
| LjL | except one day someone out of the blue puts "no support" in the -ot topic, and it starts being law | 14:45 |
| LjL | i didn't like that | 14:45 |
| LjL | people were redirected to -ot often when they had non-Ubuntu, but still somewhat "support", questions, where do we draw the line? | 14:46 |
| bazhang | which is why I mentioned it here first | 14:46 |
| LjL | still, it *has* been longstanding tradition to deny support there to people who were banned in #ubuntu | 14:46 |
| LjL | i just can't be bothered to take action, but feel free | 14:46 |
| bazhang | since several people are willingly helping now, I thought I would mention it here first | 14:46 |
| * AlanBell has a look | 14:46 | |
| bazhang | it seems to be a case by case thing imo | 14:47 |
| LjL | yes, i agree | 14:47 |
| LjL | mainly about banned people and crossposting, in my opinion | 14:47 |
| oCean | then what if banned in u, then asking in -server? | 14:49 |
| LjL | oCean: if it's a server-related question, i'd let it go. but if they're just being offtopic due to the ban, not. | 14:50 |
| oCean | Ok. So they're currently offtopic in -ot, and well on purpose since he states "don't want argue with them / really have not time to discuss with them" | 14:53 |
| LjL | as i said i agree in the case of a banned person, -ot shouldn't offer them support. i just disagree that talking support in -ot is strictly speaking "offtopic" for the channel. | 14:54 |
| oCean | If ubuntu support is not ot in -ot, then the channel would soon act as an overflow for #u, wouldn't it? | 14:54 |
| LjL | oCean: has this happened in the many years there hasn't been an explicit ban on support-talk? | 14:55 |
| LjL | i don't think it has | 14:55 |
| LjL | didn't notice it | 14:55 |
| LjL | sometimes someone asks support questions every once in a while | 14:55 |
| LjL | sometimes they get answered easily and swiftly | 14:55 |
| LjL | other times they'll get ignored | 14:55 |
| LjL | sometimes the person asking will insist a lot, and then you point out to them that they shouldn't do that, or *expect* support, and that #ubuntu is the proper place to ask anyway | 14:56 |
| LjL | but that hasn't happened often in the first place | 14:56 |
| oCean | true | 14:56 |
| LjL | i've sometimes asked the one-off "help" question (i won't even call it "support") in -ot that didn't fit in #ubuntu | 14:57 |
| LjL | i don't see what's wrong with that | 14:57 |
| bazhang | nothing | 14:57 |
| bazhang | a straight out ban of it seems overkill. | 14:58 |
| bazhang | but if it is over several hours, dominating the channel, is complained about by many, then it might be looked into. so far this does not reach that threshold imo | 14:58 |
| bazhang | then again it *is* alabd, so whatever intervention there will be deemed by him as "unfair", etc. | 15:00 |
| oCean | Again, I agree, but they were in -ot to avoid having a discussion about the actual ban, that bothers me. They now know they don't have to evade in #u, because -ot can be as helpful | 15:00 |
| oCean | bazhang: you're being unfair! | 15:01 |
| oCean | :p | 15:01 |
| bazhang | oCean, true! | 15:01 |
| Myrtti | I humble think you are all unfair. | 15:02 |
| oCean | Myrtti: certainly not me! | 15:02 |
| LjL | this discussion *does* appear to be quite open-ended, with alabd just wanting a walkthrough for everything. and once again, if you want to tell him to stop on the grounds that he's banned in #ubuntu, i have no issue with that. i already mentioned that to him, though took no action. | 15:03 |
| * AlanBell would suggest talking about something else | 15:06 | |
| AlanBell | generally chickens | 15:06 |
| LjL | yes i was indeed thinking filling the channel with other talk would help | 15:06 |
| LjL | i'm just not in the mood to come up with something myself atm :P | 15:07 |
| Myrtti | chickens in one channel and cake in other | 15:08 |
| Myrtti | works for me | 15:08 |
| bazhang | wunderbar | 15:26 |
| bazhang | "all the guides suck" | 15:26 |
| bazhang | and now complaining about asking for info to help him. | 15:26 |
| Myrtti | in pm? | 15:26 |
| bazhang | ryannathans in the channel. and the guide I linked was prominent linked in the earlier wifidocs ie !wifi I sent earlier | 15:27 |
| bazhang | err prominently | 15:27 |
| bazhang | <Cameron> No, I'm in the covert console <--- any clue what that means? | 15:48 |
| bazhang | <Cameron> The ifconfig outputs nothing... <-- that makes no sense | 15:52 |
| bazhang | there should be loopback at the very least | 15:52 |
| bazhang | finally | 16:02 |
| Myrtti | mcbaine1 is a bit of a mystery | 16:24 |
| bazhang | hack ubuntu's website? is that a joke? | 16:24 |
| Myrtti | well he just pasted even weirder stuff on #ubuntu-news | 16:25 |
| Myrtti | http://paste.ubuntu.com/813243/ | 16:26 |
| LjL | AlanBell: do i LART Quantum_Ion now or wait for him to say some more nonsense? | 17:01 |
| AlanBell | lart away | 17:01 |
| bazhang | he's got a bit of a history LjL | 17:03 |
| LjL | wonderful | 17:04 |
| mneptok | @mark #ubuntu FreeNET profane /quit | 17:09 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 17:09 |
| LjL | @mark #ubuntu Quantum_Ion Smart mouth after I tell him that giving someone a link three times is not going to be useful | 17:11 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 17:11 |
| bazhang | oh wait, he was the one I gave the link to | 17:40 |
| bazhang | :| | 17:40 |
| bazhang | <theadmin> firerat: Get the latest daily build of Arch. http://releng.archlinux.org/isos/ | 17:57 |
| bazhang | that hardly counts as Ubuntu support | 17:57 |
| LjL | meh let it go, theadmin is one of the better helpers we have, and he was asking for a distro with 3.2 and he just provided it | 17:58 |
| bazhang | he has a hard time with some simple commands as well. | 17:58 |
| bazhang | a tiny bit of research for wifi docs, for example ie dhclient | 17:59 |
| LjL | maybe, i haven't noticed that. but considering the general level of knowledgeability in #ubuntu, i'd still say theadmin is in the better half | 17:59 |
| topyli | LjL: linux 3.2? panics on debian when gdm launches gnome-session :( | 18:00 |
| bazhang | he's done it tons of times. not just that one | 18:00 |
| bazhang | Raymond_, hi | 18:02 |
| Raymond_ | hi | 18:02 |
| Raymond_ | bazhang, are you able to unban | 18:02 |
| bazhang | Raymond_, from where | 18:02 |
| Raymond_ | bazhang, ubuntu | 18:02 |
| bazhang | Raymond_, why were you banned there, do you recall | 18:03 |
| Raymond_ | bazhang, i typed n00b and then nuub | 18:03 |
| LjL | and also gave me back !noob when i gave it to you | 18:04 |
| LjL | didn't seem constructive | 18:04 |
| LjL | why did you do that? | 18:04 |
| Raymond_ | iwas messin around | 18:04 |
| Raymond_ | srry | 18:04 |
| Raymond_ | i wont do that again | 18:04 |
| LjL | Raymond_: ok. although the fact that you'd "mess around" in a 1500-people support channel doesn't make me very happy. | 18:05 |
| LjL | but i want you to read this first | 18:05 |
| LjL | !guidelines > Raymond_ | 18:05 |
| ubottu | Raymond_, please see my private message | 18:05 |
| LjL | !coc > Raymond_ | 18:05 |
| Raymond_ | ljl, did you want me to sign code of conduct | 18:09 |
| pangolin | you don't need to sign it if you don't want to but you do need to be aware of it and follow it while in ubuntu channels | 18:10 |
| LjL | Raymond_: no, that's not necessary, i just want you to follow it | 18:12 |
| bazhang | <aeon-ltd> stahlie: how did you use wubi? if you installed inside windows i don't think it's possible | 18:21 |
| bazhang | does that even make sense? | 18:21 |
| bazhang | wubi is inside windows. | 18:22 |
| Raymond_ | LjL, i will follow the guidelines | 18:22 |
| LjL | Raymond_: you can join #ubuntu again | 18:24 |
| Raymond_ | LJL, thankyou | 18:24 |
| pangolin | Remember to /part this channel and have an awesome day. | 18:24 |
| ubottu | Zungo called the ops in #ubuntu () | 18:38 |
| bazhang | * [randomuser] (~pete@67.42.175.166): Pete Travis | 18:56 |
| bazhang | trouble at the mill | 18:56 |
| LjL | bazhang: ah, is that trouble? i thought html was trouble tbh, his "support" is being terrible :( | 18:56 |
| bazhang | yes html is not wonderful at support. but randomuser came in with a chip on his shoulder from the get go | 18:59 |
| AlanBell | html is *dreadful* at support | 19:25 |
| ikonia | he's been spoken to many times about it | 19:26 |
| ikonia | eg: if you don't know - don't speak | 19:26 |
| ikonia | I'm trying to think how to best deal with him in terms of useful in the channel | 19:26 |
| pangolin | maybe hand a sign and he can spin that all day long | 19:26 |
| bazhang | spycology? ranger1234 is PM me about it | 20:55 |
| bazhang | err PMing | 20:56 |
| bazhang | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110408201638AAVUk80 | 20:58 |
| bazhang | oh fgf was around yesterday using a different nick meowmeow? | 21:00 |
| LjL | oh | 21:01 |
| LjL | maybe | 21:01 |
| LjL | but he's also, Artox_ | 21:01 |
| LjL | which i kicked but neglected to ban earlier | 21:01 |
| ikonia | Artox again huh | 21:02 |
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