[02:58] In ubottu, jeremiah_ said: it is a greeting that humans use when they meet each other. [03:44] ActionPa1snip called the ops in #ubuntu (Emery) [05:41] TiMiDo, hi [07:37] may want to key an eye on Emanon ; going off on why Ubuntu is not securing against sopa etc. time for me to go to Chinese New Year dinner. back later. [10:04] can we just translate the !list into italian? [11:23] Do I need to say anything about ATomicSpark? [11:23] AtomicSpark* [11:23] Please ask him to stop [11:24] which particular part? [11:25] and why didn't you tell him to stop yourself? [11:26] you can do it you know, if you find it offensive - I just misread India as Indonesia and by that mistake didn't see anything wrong, but of course India doesn't have as harsh sharia laws as some countries - like Iran [11:33] Myrtti: 1st I thought that reporting this thing to ops might be better [11:33] And 2nd , I am not offenced [11:33] I personally would prefer if you'd tell him off yourself, some people actually do take it seriously. In theory it shouldn't matter who tells them off [11:34] Well , I have done this many times but he takes no heed [11:34] vibhav: well, he made a "humorous" statement which i found unfortunate, but, i don't think it really crosses the line [11:35] although atomicspark often does... not cross the line, while still being... uh :| [11:35] Its non family friendly, and he often insults my country [11:36] So , may I quit? [11:36] you were free to do so after reporting your issue [11:37] :-| [11:37] if i had a penny for every time someone on IRC "insulted italy"... [11:38] * Myrtti hangs her head in shame [11:38] LjL: will you ever forgive me? [11:39] Myrtti: what for [11:39] for insulting your country? [11:39] Myrtti: sure, i'll actually give you cement shoes as peace-making present [11:40] Myrtti: or do you prefer a ticket for a cruise on an italian ship? [11:40] thanks, I'll send you a parcel of tasteless, brown, gloopy, insulting dessert instead. [11:41] s/instead/as a peace offering/ [11:41] talking muffins? [11:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A4mmi [11:42] Its laxative properties were associated with purification and purging. [11:43] LjL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4122596.stm [11:45] :( [14:11] Carmivore (~carmivmor@unaffiliated/hardfu/bot/carmivore) bot? [14:11] possibly, but if it's quiet there's nothing really to be done [14:12] LjL: you do know why he is asking in -ot, right? [14:12] - just checking [14:12] Myrtti: because he got no reply in #ubuntu? [14:12] afaik because he's banned there. [14:12] wat if it's logging? I'm not sure but somehow I thought karmivore has something todo with karma (points?) [14:12] oh, that's different. [14:13] oCean: if not publicly logging, then i don't see the problem [14:13] Myrtti: i'd still tell him something more along the line of "if you're banned in #ubuntu you can't ask your support questions here instead" [14:19] AlanBell: can you give me your home address so i can knock at your door when i have an Ubuntu problem [14:20] sounds like a great plan [14:24] wb [14:34] what would Alt+Z do [14:35] nothing here [14:35] iamfast appears to have been klined though [14:35] yes [14:36] must have had something to do with niko cycling the channel ;) [14:37] so if we get some more complaints about support in -ot then ask them to stop? [14:38] i'm just not comfortable with people banned from #ubuntu getting support there [14:38] (or crossposts) [14:38] bkerensa just made a comment. perhaps one or two more? [14:43] I agree, support in -ot is just weird [14:45] the thing is, the most trivial of things appears to have to be decided in IRCC meetings rather than just done, because process [14:45] except one day someone out of the blue puts "no support" in the -ot topic, and it starts being law [14:45] i didn't like that [14:46] people were redirected to -ot often when they had non-Ubuntu, but still somewhat "support", questions, where do we draw the line? [14:46] which is why I mentioned it here first [14:46] still, it *has* been longstanding tradition to deny support there to people who were banned in #ubuntu [14:46] i just can't be bothered to take action, but feel free [14:46] since several people are willingly helping now, I thought I would mention it here first [14:46] * AlanBell has a look [14:47] it seems to be a case by case thing imo [14:47] yes, i agree [14:47] mainly about banned people and crossposting, in my opinion [14:49] then what if banned in u, then asking in -server? [14:50] oCean: if it's a server-related question, i'd let it go. but if they're just being offtopic due to the ban, not. [14:53] Ok. So they're currently offtopic in -ot, and well on purpose since he states "don't want argue with them / really have not time to discuss with them" [14:54] as i said i agree in the case of a banned person, -ot shouldn't offer them support. i just disagree that talking support in -ot is strictly speaking "offtopic" for the channel. [14:54] If ubuntu support is not ot in -ot, then the channel would soon act as an overflow for #u, wouldn't it? [14:55] oCean: has this happened in the many years there hasn't been an explicit ban on support-talk? [14:55] i don't think it has [14:55] didn't notice it [14:55] sometimes someone asks support questions every once in a while [14:55] sometimes they get answered easily and swiftly [14:55] other times they'll get ignored [14:56] sometimes the person asking will insist a lot, and then you point out to them that they shouldn't do that, or *expect* support, and that #ubuntu is the proper place to ask anyway [14:56] but that hasn't happened often in the first place [14:56] true [14:57] i've sometimes asked the one-off "help" question (i won't even call it "support") in -ot that didn't fit in #ubuntu [14:57] i don't see what's wrong with that [14:57] nothing [14:58] a straight out ban of it seems overkill. [14:58] but if it is over several hours, dominating the channel, is complained about by many, then it might be looked into. so far this does not reach that threshold imo [15:00] then again it *is* alabd, so whatever intervention there will be deemed by him as "unfair", etc. [15:00] Again, I agree, but they were in -ot to avoid having a discussion about the actual ban, that bothers me. They now know they don't have to evade in #u, because -ot can be as helpful [15:01] bazhang: you're being unfair! [15:01] :p [15:01] oCean, true! [15:02] I humble think you are all unfair. [15:02] Myrtti: certainly not me! [15:03] this discussion *does* appear to be quite open-ended, with alabd just wanting a walkthrough for everything. and once again, if you want to tell him to stop on the grounds that he's banned in #ubuntu, i have no issue with that. i already mentioned that to him, though took no action. [15:06] * AlanBell would suggest talking about something else [15:06] generally chickens [15:06] yes i was indeed thinking filling the channel with other talk would help [15:07] i'm just not in the mood to come up with something myself atm :P [15:08] chickens in one channel and cake in other [15:08] works for me [15:26] wunderbar [15:26] "all the guides suck" [15:26] and now complaining about asking for info to help him. [15:26] in pm? [15:27] ryannathans in the channel. and the guide I linked was prominent linked in the earlier wifidocs ie !wifi I sent earlier [15:27] err prominently [15:48] No, I'm in the covert console <--- any clue what that means? [15:52] The ifconfig outputs nothing... <-- that makes no sense [15:52] there should be loopback at the very least [16:02] finally [16:24] mcbaine1 is a bit of a mystery [16:24] hack ubuntu's website? is that a joke? [16:25] well he just pasted even weirder stuff on #ubuntu-news [16:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/813243/ [17:01] AlanBell: do i LART Quantum_Ion now or wait for him to say some more nonsense? [17:01] lart away [17:03] he's got a bit of a history LjL [17:04] wonderful [17:09] @mark #ubuntu FreeNET profane /quit [17:09] The operation succeeded. [17:11] @mark #ubuntu Quantum_Ion Smart mouth after I tell him that giving someone a link three times is not going to be useful [17:11] The operation succeeded. [17:40] oh wait, he was the one I gave the link to [17:40] :| [17:57] firerat: Get the latest daily build of Arch. http://releng.archlinux.org/isos/ [17:57] that hardly counts as Ubuntu support [17:58] meh let it go, theadmin is one of the better helpers we have, and he was asking for a distro with 3.2 and he just provided it [17:58] he has a hard time with some simple commands as well. [17:59] a tiny bit of research for wifi docs, for example ie dhclient [17:59] maybe, i haven't noticed that. but considering the general level of knowledgeability in #ubuntu, i'd still say theadmin is in the better half [18:00] LjL: linux 3.2? panics on debian when gdm launches gnome-session :( [18:00] he's done it tons of times. not just that one [18:02] Raymond_, hi [18:02] hi [18:02] bazhang, are you able to unban [18:02] Raymond_, from where [18:02] bazhang, ubuntu [18:03] Raymond_, why were you banned there, do you recall [18:03] bazhang, i typed n00b and then nuub [18:04] and also gave me back !noob when i gave it to you [18:04] didn't seem constructive [18:04] why did you do that? [18:04] iwas messin around [18:04] srry [18:04] i wont do that again [18:05] Raymond_: ok. although the fact that you'd "mess around" in a 1500-people support channel doesn't make me very happy. [18:05] but i want you to read this first [18:05] !guidelines > Raymond_ [18:05] Raymond_, please see my private message [18:05] !coc > Raymond_ [18:09] ljl, did you want me to sign code of conduct [18:10] you don't need to sign it if you don't want to but you do need to be aware of it and follow it while in ubuntu channels [18:12] Raymond_: no, that's not necessary, i just want you to follow it [18:21]

stahlie: how did you use wubi? if you installed inside windows i don't think it's possible [18:21] does that even make sense? [18:22] wubi is inside windows. [18:22] LjL, i will follow the guidelines [18:24] Raymond_: you can join #ubuntu again [18:24] LJL, thankyou [18:24] Remember to /part this channel and have an awesome day. [18:38] Zungo called the ops in #ubuntu () [18:56] * [randomuser] (~pete@67.42.175.166): Pete Travis [18:56] trouble at the mill [18:56] bazhang: ah, is that trouble? i thought html was trouble tbh, his "support" is being terrible :( [18:59] yes html is not wonderful at support. but randomuser came in with a chip on his shoulder from the get go [19:25] html is *dreadful* at support [19:26] he's been spoken to many times about it [19:26] eg: if you don't know - don't speak [19:26] I'm trying to think how to best deal with him in terms of useful in the channel [19:26] maybe hand a sign and he can spin that all day long [20:55] spycology? ranger1234 is PM me about it [20:56] err PMing [20:58] http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110408201638AAVUk80 [21:00] oh fgf was around yesterday using a different nick meowmeow? [21:01] oh [21:01] maybe [21:01] but he's also, Artox_ [21:01] which i kicked but neglected to ban earlier [21:02] Artox again huh