[05:41] <bazhang> TiMiDo, hi
[07:37] <bazhang> may want to key an eye on Emanon ; going off on why Ubuntu is not securing against sopa etc. time for me to go to Chinese New Year dinner. back later.
[10:04] <Myrtti> can we just translate the !list into italian?
[11:23] <vibhav> Do I need to say anything about ATomicSpark?
[11:23] <vibhav> AtomicSpark*
[11:23] <vibhav> Please ask him to stop
[11:24] <Myrtti> which particular part?
[11:25] <Myrtti> and why didn't you tell him to stop yourself?
[11:26] <Myrtti> you can do it you know, if you find it offensive - I just misread India as Indonesia and by that mistake didn't see anything wrong, but of course India doesn't have as harsh sharia laws as some countries - like Iran
[11:33] <vibhav> Myrtti: 1st I thought that reporting this thing to ops might be better
[11:33] <vibhav> And 2nd , I am not offenced
[11:33] <Myrtti> I personally would prefer if you'd tell him off yourself, some people actually do take it seriously. In theory it shouldn't matter who tells them off
[11:34] <vibhav> Well , I have done this many times but he takes no heed
[11:34] <LjL> vibhav: well, he made a "humorous" statement which i found unfortunate, but, i don't think it really crosses the line
[11:35] <LjL> although atomicspark often does... not cross the line, while still being... uh :|
[11:35] <vibhav> Its non family friendly, and he often insults my country
[11:36] <vibhav> So , may I quit?
[11:36] <Myrtti> you were free to do so after reporting your issue
[11:37] <Myrtti> :-|
[11:37] <LjL> if i had a penny for every time someone on IRC "insulted italy"...
[11:38]  * Myrtti hangs her head in shame
[11:38] <Myrtti> LjL: will you ever forgive me?
[11:39] <LjL> Myrtti: what for
[11:39] <Myrtti> for insulting your country?
[11:39] <LjL> Myrtti: sure, i'll actually give you cement shoes as peace-making present
[11:40] <LjL> Myrtti: or do you prefer a ticket for a cruise on an italian ship?
[11:40] <Myrtti> thanks, I'll send you a parcel of tasteless, brown, gloopy, insulting dessert instead.
[11:41] <Myrtti> s/instead/as a peace offering/
[11:41] <LjL> talking muffins?
[11:41] <Myrtti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A4mmi
[11:42] <LjL> Its laxative properties were associated with purification and purging.
[11:43] <Myrtti> LjL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4122596.stm
[11:45] <LjL> :(
[14:11] <oCean> Carmivore (~carmivmor@unaffiliated/hardfu/bot/carmivore) bot?
[14:11] <Myrtti> possibly, but if it's quiet there's nothing really to be done
[14:12] <Myrtti> LjL: you do know why he is asking in -ot, right?
[14:12] <Myrtti> - just checking
[14:12] <LjL> Myrtti: because he got no reply in #ubuntu?
[14:12] <Myrtti> afaik because he's banned there.
[14:12] <oCean> wat if it's logging? I'm not sure but somehow I thought karmivore has something todo with karma (points?)
[14:12] <LjL> oh, that's different.
[14:13] <LjL> oCean: if not publicly logging, then i don't see the problem
[14:13] <LjL> Myrtti: i'd still tell him something more along the line of "if you're banned in #ubuntu you can't ask your support questions here instead"
[14:19] <LjL> AlanBell: can you give me your home address so i can knock at your door when i have an Ubuntu problem
[14:20] <AlanBell> sounds like a great plan
[14:24] <Myrtti> wb
[14:34] <LjL> what would Alt+Z do
[14:35] <bazhang> nothing here
[14:35] <bazhang> iamfast appears to have been klined though
[14:35] <LjL> yes
[14:36] <LjL> must have had something to do with niko cycling the channel ;)
[14:37] <bazhang> so if we get some more complaints about support in -ot then ask them to stop?
[14:38] <LjL> i'm just not comfortable with people banned from #ubuntu getting support there
[14:38] <LjL> (or crossposts)
[14:38] <bazhang> bkerensa just made a comment. perhaps one or two more?
[14:43] <oCean> I agree, support in -ot is just weird
[14:45] <LjL> the thing is, the most trivial of things appears to have to be decided in IRCC meetings rather than just done, because process
[14:45] <LjL> except one day someone out of the blue puts "no support" in the -ot topic, and it starts being law
[14:45] <LjL> i didn't like that
[14:46] <LjL> people were redirected to -ot often when they had non-Ubuntu, but still somewhat "support", questions, where do we draw the line?
[14:46] <bazhang> which is why I mentioned it here first
[14:46] <LjL> still, it *has* been longstanding tradition to deny support there to people who were banned in #ubuntu
[14:46] <LjL> i just can't be bothered to take action, but feel free
[14:46] <bazhang> since several people are willingly helping now, I thought I would mention it here first
[14:46]  * AlanBell has a look
[14:47] <bazhang> it seems to be a case by case thing imo
[14:47] <LjL> yes, i agree
[14:47] <LjL> mainly about banned people and crossposting, in my opinion
[14:49] <oCean> then what if banned in u, then asking in -server?
[14:50] <LjL> oCean: if it's a server-related question, i'd let it go. but if they're just being offtopic due to the ban, not.
[14:53] <oCean> Ok. So they're currently offtopic in -ot, and well on purpose since he states "don't want argue with them / really have not time to discuss with them"
[14:54] <LjL> as i said i agree in the case of a banned person, -ot shouldn't offer them support. i just disagree that talking support in -ot is strictly speaking "offtopic" for the channel.
[14:54] <oCean> If ubuntu support is not ot in -ot, then the channel would soon act as an overflow for #u, wouldn't it?
[14:55] <LjL> oCean: has this happened in the many years there hasn't been an explicit ban on support-talk?
[14:55] <LjL> i don't think it has
[14:55] <LjL> didn't notice it
[14:55] <LjL> sometimes someone asks support questions every once in a while
[14:55] <LjL> sometimes they get answered easily and swiftly
[14:55] <LjL> other times they'll get ignored
[14:56] <LjL> sometimes the person asking will insist a lot, and then you point out to them that they shouldn't do that, or *expect* support, and that #ubuntu is the proper place to ask anyway
[14:56] <LjL> but that hasn't happened often in the first place
[14:56] <oCean> true
[14:57] <LjL> i've sometimes asked the one-off "help" question (i won't even call it "support") in -ot that didn't fit in #ubuntu
[14:57] <LjL> i don't see what's wrong with that
[14:57] <bazhang> nothing
[14:58] <bazhang> a straight out ban of it seems overkill.
[14:58] <bazhang> but if it is over several hours, dominating the channel, is complained about by many, then it might be looked into. so far this does not reach that threshold imo
[15:00] <bazhang> then again  it *is* alabd, so whatever intervention there will be deemed by him as "unfair", etc.
[15:00] <oCean> Again, I agree, but they were in -ot to avoid having a discussion about the actual ban, that bothers me. They now know they don't have to evade in #u, because -ot can be as helpful
[15:01] <oCean> bazhang: you're being unfair!
[15:01] <oCean> :p
[15:01] <bazhang> oCean, true!
[15:02] <Myrtti> I humble think you are all unfair.
[15:02] <oCean> Myrtti: certainly not me!
[15:03] <LjL> this discussion *does* appear to be quite open-ended, with alabd just wanting a walkthrough for everything. and once again, if you want to tell him to stop on the grounds that he's banned in #ubuntu, i have no issue with that. i already mentioned that to him, though took no action.
[15:06]  * AlanBell would suggest talking about something else
[15:06] <AlanBell> generally chickens
[15:06] <LjL> yes i was indeed thinking filling the channel with other talk would help
[15:07] <LjL> i'm just not in the mood to come up with something myself atm :P
[15:08] <Myrtti> chickens in one channel and cake in other
[15:08] <Myrtti> works for me
[15:26] <bazhang> wunderbar
[15:26] <bazhang> "all the guides suck"
[15:26] <bazhang> and now complaining about asking for info to help him.
[15:26] <Myrtti> in pm?
[15:27] <bazhang> ryannathans in the channel. and the guide I linked was prominent linked in the earlier wifidocs ie !wifi I sent earlier
[15:27] <bazhang> err prominently
 No, I'm in the covert console   <--- any clue what that means?
 The ifconfig outputs nothing...   <-- that makes no sense
[15:52] <bazhang> there should be loopback at the very least
[16:02] <bazhang> finally
[16:24] <Myrtti> mcbaine1 is a bit of a mystery
[16:24] <bazhang> hack ubuntu's website? is that a joke?
[16:25] <Myrtti> well he just pasted even weirder stuff on #ubuntu-news
[16:26] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/813243/
[17:01] <LjL> AlanBell: do i LART Quantum_Ion now or wait for him to say some more nonsense?
[17:01] <AlanBell> lart away
[17:03] <bazhang> he's got a bit of a history LjL
[17:04] <LjL> wonderful
[17:09] <mneptok> @mark #ubuntu FreeNET profane /quit
[17:11] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu Quantum_Ion Smart mouth after I tell him that giving someone a link three times is not going to be useful
[17:40] <bazhang> oh wait, he was the one I gave the link to
[17:40] <bazhang> :|
 firerat: Get the latest daily build of Arch. http://releng.archlinux.org/isos/
[17:57] <bazhang> that hardly counts as Ubuntu support
[17:58] <LjL> meh let it go, theadmin is one of the better helpers we have, and he was asking for a distro with 3.2 and he just provided it
[17:58] <bazhang> he has a hard time with some simple commands as well.
[17:59] <bazhang> a tiny bit of research for wifi docs, for example ie dhclient
[17:59] <LjL> maybe, i haven't noticed that. but considering the general level of knowledgeability in #ubuntu, i'd still say theadmin is in the better half
[18:00] <topyli> LjL: linux 3.2? panics on debian when gdm launches gnome-session :(
[18:00] <bazhang> he's done it tons of times. not just that one
[18:02] <bazhang> Raymond_, hi
[18:02] <Raymond_> hi
[18:02] <Raymond_> bazhang, are you able to unban
[18:02] <bazhang> Raymond_, from where
[18:02] <Raymond_> bazhang, ubuntu
[18:03] <bazhang> Raymond_, why were you banned there, do you recall
[18:03] <Raymond_> bazhang,  i typed n00b and then nuub
[18:04] <LjL> and also gave me back !noob when i gave it to you
[18:04] <LjL> didn't seem constructive
[18:04] <LjL> why did you do that?
[18:04] <Raymond_> iwas messin around
[18:04] <Raymond_> srry
[18:04] <Raymond_> i wont do that again
[18:05] <LjL> Raymond_: ok. although the fact that you'd "mess around" in a 1500-people support channel doesn't make me very happy.
[18:05] <LjL> but i want you to read this first
[18:05] <LjL> !guidelines > Raymond_
[18:05] <LjL> !coc > Raymond_
[18:09] <Raymond_> ljl, did you want me to sign code of conduct
[18:10] <pangolin> you don't need to sign it if you don't want to but you do need to be aware of it and follow it while in ubuntu channels
[18:12] <LjL> Raymond_: no, that's not necessary, i just want you to follow it
 stahlie: how did you use wubi? if you installed inside windows i don't think it's possible
[18:21] <bazhang> does that even make sense?
[18:22] <bazhang> wubi is inside windows.
[18:22] <Raymond_> LjL, i will follow the guidelines
[18:24] <LjL> Raymond_: you can join #ubuntu again
[18:24] <Raymond_> LJL, thankyou
[18:24] <pangolin> Remember to /part this channel and have an awesome day.
[18:56] <bazhang> * [randomuser] (~pete@67.42.175.166): Pete Travis
[18:56] <bazhang> trouble at the mill
[18:56] <LjL> bazhang: ah, is that trouble? i thought html was trouble tbh, his "support" is being terrible :(
[18:59] <bazhang> yes html is not wonderful at support. but randomuser came in with a chip on his shoulder from the get go
[19:25] <AlanBell> html is *dreadful* at support
[19:26] <ikonia> he's been spoken to many times about it
[19:26] <ikonia> eg: if you don't know - don't speak
[19:26] <ikonia> I'm trying to think how to best deal with him in terms of useful in the channel
[19:26] <pangolin> maybe hand a sign and he can spin that all day long
[20:55] <bazhang> spycology? ranger1234 is PM me about it
[20:56] <bazhang> err PMing
[20:58] <bazhang> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110408201638AAVUk80
[21:00] <bazhang> oh fgf was around yesterday using a different nick meowmeow?
[21:01] <LjL> oh
[21:01] <LjL> maybe
[21:01] <LjL> but he's also, Artox_
[21:01] <LjL> which i kicked but neglected to ban earlier
[21:02] <ikonia> Artox again huh