=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:31] hi [09:00] hello all [09:10] morning [09:19] \o AlanBell [09:21] *yawn* [09:45] *burp* === danfish_ is now known as danfish [09:56] morning [09:57] morning [10:42] good morning everyone, [10:43] bug 884671 [10:43] Launchpad bug 884671 in ubuntu-community "Ubuntu IRC operator recruitment is slow and ungainly" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/884671 [10:45] 'ungainly' a word you don't see used as often as it should [10:46] potentially [10:47] hey jutnux [10:47] hows it going? === r is now known as Guest88426 [10:56] morning all [10:57] /1 [10:57] morning [10:57] Grrr. [10:57] But, incidentally, good morning. [10:57] morning popey , issyl0 and MooDoo [10:59] Morning [11:00] * brobostigon installs the android wikipedia program. [11:08] brobostigon: a veiwer? [11:08] *viewer [11:08] jacobw: a wikipedia page viewer, yes. [11:10] * smittix is playing with KDE [11:11] kate is awesome [11:11] Haven't used KDE since the 3. days. [11:12] i used kde 3.5.x for a long time [11:12] kde 4.0 took too long and gnome got much better [11:13] I have found myself wondering since Gnome3 was released. [11:13] I don't dislike it but I don't enjoy using it as much. [11:15] i like gnome3 and unity [11:17] i like the shell idea much better than comprehensive desktop environment idea of kde [11:18] Unity just feels a little clunky for me. [11:18] all the shell needs to do is to switch and tile windows, provide virtual desktop and provide a way to launch applications [11:19] Gnome3 in Fedora feels solid though. [11:20] Gnome shell ftw [11:20] does gnome shell have a future? [11:20] -1 flamebait [11:21] heh [11:21] Im moving to arch [11:21] * smittix hides [11:21] I just use GNU Screen ;) [11:21] arch is the new gentoo :( [11:22] dwatkins: dinosuar, tmux is where its at :p [11:22] jacobw: heh [11:23] Byobu! [11:23] I quite like the look of scrotwm, actually. [11:23] http://edma2.deviantart.com/art/scrotwm-dark-theme-187026267 for example [11:24] byobu has switched from screen to tmux [11:24] scrotwm does look good. [11:27] I think the clock is tmux, not sure. [11:28] jacobw: haha [11:34] morning [11:36] dwatkins: the thing that always puts me off things like scrotwm is the screenshots always seem to have masses of tiny dark-grey-on-dark-grey pixelly text [11:47] gordonjcp: this looks pretty neat and isn't dark: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10773855#post10773855 [11:54] dwatkins: it's still a wall of shitty low-contrast pixelly text [12:05] * Neoti finally out of my cave!!! lol :P [12:08] anyone else having problems with empathy... not connecting to facebook ? [12:14] Neoti: no -- but, then again, I switched back to Pidgin yonks ago [smug smile] :}) [12:15] SuperEngineer meh! with your smug smile!! [12:15] ... & o/ [12:16] Neoti: ;}) [12:25] Neoti: just set up fb account on Empathy ok - no probs - connects ok [12:28] well i removed the account and readded it and i go resource is already connected to server .... [12:34] Neoti: [guessing here] remove a/c again. remove permission in fb & then redo [ again, I'm only guessing] [12:42] Neoti: oo a thought, is this a 1st time setup or is it an existing ok a/c -if new, are you using your user name or sign-in name to set it up [12:48] The ultimate message to SOPA/PIPA advocates: listen to the first few secs of lastest Linux Outlaws podcast. http://feeds.feedburner.com/linuxoutlaws-ogg [12:48] Have been listening to that [12:49] It's a sign of how far things have slid that a star trek monologue now sounds quite radical [12:50] occupy64k: words of real wisdom are their own definition... no matter who the script writer [13:07] today is a homebrew day [13:12] Whilst I had it open thought I'd just have a look at IRC in Empathy... yuk! [13:22] in unity if I hit F2 I get a thing that will search for what I type in and then run it [13:22] but that's in every single case wrong [13:22] is there a way to tell it to just run what I type, and not try to be clever? [13:24] alt+f2? [13:24] which version of Unity/ubuntu? [13:24] just alt+f2 -> type -> enter should work [13:26] it doesn't [13:26] if I press alt-f2 and type then it will try to guess what I want [13:26] and then in all cases run something other than what I typed [13:26] Which version? Because it works fine on 11.10 and 12.04 for me [13:26] this is 11.10 [13:27] gordonjcp: what happens if you ignore the guesses, type the name of the program you want to run and then enter? [13:27] it runs something random [13:27] works fine here.. [13:27] gordonjcp: that bug was fixed! [13:27] well, this is a fresh install off 11.10, updated about ten minutes ago [13:27] alt-f2, type "gedit", gnome-calculator runs [13:27] consistently [13:28] gordonjcp: even if you wait a while before pressing enter? [13:28] alt-f2, type "evince", it tries to run evince-previewer [13:28] MartijnVdS: yup [13:28] cool [13:28] but that's sort of the point, I don't want to wait [13:28] is the -proposed repo enabled? [13:28] I want it to run the program I typed the name of [13:28] nope [13:28] and -updates? [13:28] it's a fresh-from-the-installer install of Ubuntu [13:28] please check [13:28] I haven't even installed build-essential yet [13:28] -updates should be on, I guess [13:29] -updates is on [13:29] -proposed is not [13:29] gordonjcp: I'm searching for the bug number and package [13:30] it might be in proposed only atm [13:30] hi all. i want to put a film (avi film) on to a dvd. i used to use something to convert it then i then had to burn it to dvd. can anyone tell me what i would need to use o do this? [13:30] jonsaint: converting should be automatic, as long as you use a program like "Brasero" to burn the video DVD, I think [13:31] cheers. il try that [13:32] gordonjcp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/856205 [13:32] Ubuntu bug 856205 in unity-lens-applications (Ubuntu Oneiric) "run the wrong command if enter is hit before the view is refreshed" [High,Fix released] [13:33] MartijnVdS, tried to use it, when i click burn it tells me somethings not implemented??? [13:33] jonsaint: converting, I guess [13:34] jonsaint: you'll have to convert the video to MPEG-2 yourself then. If you want to use a graphical tool, you can use "avidemux" [13:34] it says installing packages by files isnt supported [13:34] jonsaint: That sounds strange, what's the exact message? [13:35] exactly that, installing packages by files isnt supported, then it says a the bottom about it not being implemented [13:36] jonsaint: does it tell you what kind of file it needs? [13:36] no [13:36] jonsaint: even better, can you make a screenshot (alt + printscreen) of the Brasero window? [13:36] !paste [13:36] Pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [13:36] that doesn't do images.. hmm [13:37] !image [13:37] !imagebin [13:37] Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imagebin.org/?page=add and post a link to it. [13:37] give me 10 mins, trying to do this and cook dinner lol [13:37] :) [13:38] im trying to use devede now to see what thats like [13:40] MartijnVdS: interesting [13:41] MartijnVdS: it runs one that hasn't even been typed, I've found [13:41] gordonjcp: I can only suggest filing a bug (or subscribing if it already exists) [13:44] damnit, stupid keyboard layout [13:44] What's up popey [13:48] none of the keyboard layouts in ubuntu match the one I have [13:48] macbook pro 7,1. uk layout [13:51] bug 630203 [13:51] Launchpad bug 630203 in xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu) "Macintosh keyboard layout is wrong" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630203 [13:51] Not even mostly? [13:52] mostly isnt enough [13:53] i had a fiddle with some of the xkb files in the last release and couldn't get the layout right [13:53] aloha [13:53] should forward that bug upstream [13:57] popey: Marked it as 'High' [14:05] * popey files it upstream https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45080 [14:05] Freedesktop bug 45080 in General "UK MacBook Pro keyboard layout incorrect" [Normal,New: ] [14:06] * SuperEngineer wonders if czajkowski will be setting up a Six Nations rant channel? [14:07] swat_: #rugbyrants exists [14:07] SuperEngineer: ^^ [14:07] * popey wonders if anyone can suggest a source for a _cheap_ AGP based 3d card that will work with compiz/unity? [14:07] oh AGP - hmm [14:07] czajkowski: cool [14:08] this old celeron D of my sisters [14:08] * popey asks on askubuntu ☺ [14:08] see how that pans out [14:08] czajkowski: ooo - so it does [adds to favs] ;) [14:08] popey: How about something like: http://www.amazon.co.uk/VTX3D-512MB-Radeon-3450-Graphics/dp/B003WW5ZMG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1327241305&sr=8-4 [14:09] popey: The HD 3xxx should work (I have the HD4xxx works fine on open drivers - but PCI-e) [14:11] You won't get _stellar_ Unity3D performance mind [14:11] especially compared to the latest few generations of GPU [14:11] popey: Avoid the Radeon 9xxx and 7xxx [14:12] This one looks like it landed on an alien space ship: http://www.amazon.co.uk/HIS-Radeon-HD-4670-IceQ/dp/B002EL4PIG/ref=sr_1_22?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1327241422&sr=1-22 [14:12] ATI HD 4670 [14:12] oooh that radeon looks decent [14:13] popey: the 3450 or the 4670? [14:13] i've got a pci 4670 in my desktop computer, 1GB, pretty decent [14:13] I paid $70AUD a year ago [14:13] msi [14:13] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DemystifyingUnityGraphicsHardwareRequirements [14:13] handy [14:13] mentions the 3450 [14:13] popey: it doesn't have AGPWpcie at all? [14:13] uhr [14:14] popey: it doesn't have pcie at all? [14:14] correct [14:14] are you seeing how low you can go [14:14] no, sisters computer [14:14] dont want to spend lots on it [14:14] must replace my dad's P3-400 [14:14] popey: Mind you I built a complete machine for my mum for about £220 [14:14] hmmm [14:14] the other option is to let her have one of my revos [14:15] penguin42: what kind of fps do you get for solitaire :) [14:15] I'm not about to build a machine [14:15] nod [14:15] * popey looks at super cheap pre-builds tho [14:15] or a 'just add a disk' type thing [14:17] RazPi :) [14:17] hah [14:17] needs a parallel port - old printer [14:17] popey: Parallel ports are easy -- USB and PCI(e) expansions exist for that [14:17] actually, a Celery D should be fine [14:18] http://www.amazon.co.uk/PlusKom-2mtr-Cable-Female-Adaptor/dp/B000Q6JRHU [14:18] (or b&w USB lasers for £40) [14:18] MartijnVdS: more moeny [14:18] http://www.amazon.co.uk/My-Link-High-IEEE-Parallel-Printer/dp/B00109V6JO [14:18] popey: £3 isn't a lot though [14:19] popey: Having said that, Unity2d will run on junk [14:19] penguin42: S3 Savage? [14:19] yeah, i have it running here [14:19] MartijnVdS: I'd be surprised if it didn't [14:19] pondering what the best way forward is [14:20] they dont tend to use this pc much, they all have laptops [14:20] popey: Fixing it as cheaply as possible, tell them to start saving money for a new revo? [14:20] its mostly just for printing [14:20] tempted to get them a networked laser [14:20] rather than a computer upgrade [14:20] popey: you can buy boxes with a parallel port and a network port [14:21] to make a printer into a network printer without needing a PC [14:21] true [14:22] http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-PS110P-Single-parallel-ethernet/dp/B0015UGALC [14:24] popey: http://www.itcsales.co.uk/acatalog/ATI-Radeon-X300-128-MB-PCI-E-Card-DMS-59-Full-Height-H3823-1409.html?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=cpc ? [14:25] heh [14:25] el cheapo [14:25] popey: it's pcie, pcie != agp :( [14:25] wait [14:25] it says PCIe in the description, twice [14:25] and "AGP" at the bottom [14:26] MartijnVdS: Hmm yes - best ignore that one [14:26] need to call sister see what she really wants [14:27] Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want [14:27] So tell me what you want, what you really, really want [14:28] *cough* [14:28] http://www.itcsales.co.uk/acatalog/11-x-Mixed-second-user-CRT-Monitors-6296.html is funny [14:28] penguin42: ... [14:45] anyone tried Ubuntu TV yet ? [14:48] yup ☺ [14:48] popey: I guess it's a hard life having to test it thoroughly [14:48] hah [14:49] popey: how many movies did you watch on it this last week? ;-) [14:50] Hi Nafallo [14:50] hi mat [14:50] :) [14:50] hi matti [14:50] MartijnVdS: ;] [14:50] dear tab, meet anger. no love, /N [15:02] Hi all - quick question - fresh install of 11.10 alongside xp however the grub menu is giving me a video out of range message - is this the correct link to fix it? http://askubuntu.com/questions/52910/signal-out-of-range-when-starting-grub-after-server-installation [15:06] tony_: On what hardware? [15:07] tony_: That seems a reasonable fix [15:08] its just an old-ish packard bell desktop that was starting to run a bit slow in xp [15:08] its an intel p4 which is about all I know [15:08] Ive managed to boot into ubuntu ok - and I think xp is still there, I just cant see the menu [15:08] yeh, give that one a go [15:09] sorry for what is probably a stupid question but how do I know my root is /dev/sda1 [15:09] tony_: If you have one disc and it's the 1st partition it probably is [15:10] tony_: the 'a' is 1st disc, the '1' is 1st partition, the 'sd' is most discs, although very occasionally you'll find an hd [15:10] theres only 1 hdd in there (there were 2 but 1 broke so I unplugged it) [15:12] * gord thinks about making an "EggWatch" google plus circle and putting certain people in it [15:12] eggwatch? [15:13] if you're in it youhave to stare at an egg for 10mins a day. [15:14] and then report what the egg was up to for the group [15:20] Nafallo: Some report on the egg during that time [15:21] hello - sorry trying to get my grub screen working - is there a simple walk through anyone can point me towards? [15:25] tony_: I think those instructions in that page you found should work - they seem to be working around a bios bug (or difference between Grub/bios) [15:28] was just trying that startup manager as I cant seem to run those commands from the walkthrough - I just get an empty file. Will give this a go, be back shortly peeps! :) [15:34] Hi All - just reporting back - startup manager let me change the boot menu to 1024x768 and it now works perfectly. would recommend for anyone else who has the same problem! [15:36] tony_: How did you get to startup manager? [15:39] had to install it from the software centre [15:39] but after that it was easy peasy [15:39] tony_: I didn't realise from your original description that it eventually booted OK [15:39] sorry yeah - it booted up but I just couldnt see the menu [15:40] is it on an LCD or CRT? [15:41] anyone know of some IP TV stations/channels that i can put in to TVheadend as im building a minimumpvr [15:44] gord: eggs ftw [15:45] trying to compile something pulled from git, no idea how the author gets it to work , loads of errors :( [15:45] oimon1: missing dependencies probably, what is it? [15:45] cinnamon desktop [15:45] wanted the latest git version [15:48] popey, nvidia 7000/8000 series cards, they support the feature set and some of them (less 8000 series, more 7000 series) support AGP. about £20 new. problem with getting older than that is the nvidia driver will start to not support them at some point [15:48] there is always the open source drivers though i guess [15:48] oimon1: can you use the ppa? [15:49] jacobw: i wanted to try some newer features than the ppa that are in git [15:58] hmmm... BT [or BT router} appears to be having a minor prob. signal = 82%, download speed now varying betwwen 2 & 10 KiB/S [15:58] * SuperEngineer checks outside for cracker in car with laptop! [15:58] ....no [16:01] ok next question - does anyone know how to get an ipod touch working in ubuntu? [16:02] bbs... logging off to switch to 3GS mobile dongle [16:26] little help needed... just installed ubuntu 11.10 mini and i only choose to install open SSH, and on the screen i just have a blinking courser... i can SSH to the box and do stuff but on the computer monitor i just get a courser in the top left hand corner ... what have i go to install to get a login screen ? [16:30] does it say login tho? [16:30] nope... just a blinking courser on the screen.... i just connected to it via SSH and installed xorg to see what would happen and still nothing on screen even after a reboot [16:31] was xorg the only thing you installed? [16:31] open ssh server : xorg and the ubuntu base thats it ... [16:31] well xorg doesn't do much on it's own [16:32] Myrtti: On the box can you do an alt-ctrl-f1 ? [16:33] Neoti: ^ [16:36] its in virtual box... how do i send that command to it with out going to term on my linux box ... lolz [16:37] Neoti: If you can ssh in, then do sudo chvt 1 from the ssh [16:38] excellent.... awesomeness!!!! thank you [16:39] Neoti: So my guess is that lightdm isn't starting for one reason or another [16:40] i was using the mini CD install thingy here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD as i dont need a full desktop gui just terminal goodness but SSH was fine... was just nice to have the vm show my a login... [16:40] Neoti: check /var/log/lightdm.log (or something like that) - is this a fresh install or upgradE? [16:41] next.... how do i use the IPTV option of tvheadend as there website documents all but this tab... lolz,,, thanks [16:58] hmmm, I have just dragged an app to the launcher and its left a blank space. [17:01] damnit, i can't download the sopranos as fast as i can watch it :( [17:01] smittix: if you click the space, does the app launch? [17:22] jacobw: netflix? [17:22] dwatkins: in gb now? [17:23] jacobw: yep, and the first month is free, otherwise 6 GBP a month. [17:23] awesome [17:24] Yeah, I watched all of Prison Break on it in HD, works very well (but uses a huge amount of bandwidth). [17:24] I have no idea if there's a Linux client which will work with it, not tried. I had to install Silverlight on OS X and Windows to use it. [17:25] !silverlight [17:25] For Microsoft Silverlight support, install Moonlight with the following command: « sudo apt-get install moonlight-plugin-mozilla » in a terminal. [17:26] dwatkins: I'm not sure if it's still true, but at least for a while Netflix was using DRM which meant that Moonlight wouldn't work [17:26] Hello [17:26] thanks, alanbell, everything is working perfectly :) [17:26] Pendulum: ah ok, that kinda makes sense, shame as it is. [17:27] * dwatkins tries from Ubuntu 10.10 and chrome [17:27] hi Cameron :) [17:27] and hi Pendulum o/ [17:27] o/ AlanBell [17:27] dwatkins: I haven't looked at it for at least a year, though, so could have changed. I do know at one point it did work for a short time. [17:28] on the other hand, there is http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/native-netflix-client-coming-linux-in-12-months/ [17:29] I get a compatability message stating I need to be running Windows, OS X or Chrome OS, interestingly. [17:29] ooh [17:30] This is the compatability message, for reference: http://rowla.dyndns.org/Netflix.html [17:34] meld in 3 way diff mode is pretty neat [17:53] i can't use pay for netflix if it uses silverlight [17:53] too many potential problems [17:54] you dont have to use silverlight if you have a supported device - like a ps3 [17:57] meh [17:57] i don't have a ps3 [17:58] i'm unwilling to pay for something that using silverlight in any case [17:58] also works on wii iirc [17:59] i have netflix and lovefilm atm, can't decide which one to keep [17:59] jacobw: No can't click [18:00] Hello. [18:00] s-fox: o/ [18:00] Hello smittix, how're you doing this evening? [18:00] Good thanks, and you? [18:01] Not bad thank you, been working on my PHPOO [18:02] Nice [18:02] Mainly in preparation for an interview on Wednesday. They said something about a test. [18:02] ;) [18:02] ahh [18:03] Well good luck on that! [18:03] Haha, thanks. I'll need it :) [18:03] ;) [18:09] jacobw: A unity --reset-icons sorted it. [18:10] Anyone else experience a real slow down when dragging icons from the dash to the launcher. [18:20] smittix, nvidia by any chance? [18:23] gord: No, Intel HD [18:23] strange [18:24] Just tried dragging another icon and it's fine. [18:24] maybe you just had a high load from something the first time [18:24] Aye, could be [18:25] maybe the icon is buggy. replace it with another icon! [18:25] It was the terminal which I was dragging. [18:26] ah. that makes sense then. Ubuntu is supposed to be useful without terminals :-) [18:26] it was clearly the systems way of trying to tell you so. [18:27] trying to perform sudo sed -i 's/NoDisplay=true/NoDisplay=false/g' *.desktop'' is kind of hard without it. [18:27] heh [18:33] anyone know where the disable touchpad when typing thing is configured? seem to have lost mine [18:34] isn't that just the mouse settings? [18:34] super -> mouse -> Mouse and touchpad -> Touch pad (tab) [18:34] Mouse and touchpad settings [18:34] if not, I'd go for dconf-editor ? [18:34] Top of the list on the tab. [18:38] "disable touchpad whilst typing" is enabled :( doesn't work! [18:38] I have just tested mine too as I have never noticed it. [18:38] i really need to get a new laptop, one just for work. so i can keep this laptop on the last ubuntu release, not the development release [18:39] On and off mine works. [18:39] gord: just get a netbook? :-) [18:39] i have several :) [18:40] so use one for non-work stuff. [18:40] nah [18:40] that said. I tried to do that.... and now my netbook is my work machine too :-P [18:40] 1.6ghz ooold atom or 1ghz arm machines aren't enough for my internetting anymore [18:40] wut? [18:41] what do you do on the Internetz? taking down gibsons? [18:41] I don't bother trying to seperate the two anymore. Everytime I try they end up merging anyway. [18:41] everything loads slow, can't open a browser and app at the same time, the entire thing is a pain [18:41] ehrm. weird. my N450-based one works just fine :-) [18:41] i'd rather sit on my i3 2ghz dual core laptop with 8gb ram [18:41] just had to upgrade to 2GB memory when I started using it for work, and that was it. [18:42] * smittix has something similar [18:42] i5 quad, 8gb ram ;) [18:43] hrm. we clearly use computers in different ways :-) [18:43] * penguin42 pats his i7/8GB [18:43] I don't have a desktop. So I got this laptop to do what I want. [18:44] smittix: I used to have that setup; and actually you are on my old laptop - which mostly just does IRC [18:44] well, same here :-) [18:44] and a tiny mips-based media player attached to the TV :-) [18:44] penguin42: huh? [18:45] smittix: I have two machines here; an i7 desktop and an older laptop that was my previous main machine [18:45] ahh [18:45] smittix: The irc window that you're in is on my old laptop [18:45] Ok heh [18:45] I do miss my desktop. [18:45] But I never had time to actually sit at it. [19:14] [Gareth France] Tolworth 22nd January 2012 - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=59 [19:27] How do I give a user permission to set niceness without root? [19:36] in openoffice calc how do I get the stuff I want to print out on one page? [19:36] is it like excel where you select the area ? [19:36] I seem to recall some options in the print area saying fit to n pages wide by m pages tall or something, but I can't find them now [19:37] I have selected the cells I want to print, but they spill onto two pages [19:37] can you change the layout like portrait to landscape [19:38] tried that, still doesn't fit [19:39] you *have* to have it all on one page? [19:40] yes [19:40] found something in format-page I think [19:42] ok, got it [19:43] format-page then on the sheet tab at the bottom set the scaling mode to fit on one page, and on the page tab set it to landscape [19:44] if you don't set it to landscape there, but try to change to landscape at the time you print it then you get it scaled down to fit on a portrait width, but in the middle of your landscape page [19:45] nods [19:45] good to know [19:45] :0 [19:45]