[00:21] <cpnangil> howdy
[00:23] <cpnangil> hows it going?
[00:24] <rick_h> reading http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html?_r=2&hp
[00:29] <cpnangil> pretty interesting
[00:32] <snap-l> thttp://magnatune.com/artists/albums/saros-labyrinth/
[00:32] <snap-l> Bah, http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/saros-labyrinth/
[00:33] <snap-l> Good soundtrack-ish music
[00:36] <cpnangil> Where is everyone from?
[00:36] <snap-l> Michigan. :)
[00:37] <snap-l> Most of us are from the Metro-Detroit area.
[00:39] <brousch> grand rapids
[00:47] <cpnangil> im close to waterford
[00:47] <cpnangil> lotus lake
[00:47] <rick_h> cool, I'm not far from there
[00:48] <cpnangil> we have a small island here on the lake
[00:48] <cpnangil> about 2.5 acres
[00:50] <cpnangil> whewre are you rick_h
[00:50] <brousch> you live on an island?
[00:51] <rick_h> cpnangil: in clarkston
[00:51] <cpnangil> its a small island in lotus lake yep brousch
[00:51] <brousch> that is cool
[00:53] <cpnangil> its a perfect getaway in paradise but its still close enough to everything
[01:05] <llua> detroit
[03:27] <snap-l> Just watched Star Wars Uncut
[03:27] <snap-l> Some very good moments
[03:27] <snap-l> and some incredibly strange moments
[03:32] <brousch> snap-l++
[14:41] <snap-l> g'morning
[14:42] <rick_h> party
[14:42] <snap-l> Apparently according to some of our blog spam, you can stroke a cat witout being expected to have sex.
[14:42] <snap-l> wise words.
[15:19] <brousch> well then i was lied to
[19:37] <snap-l> Working on the next OMC
[19:37] <snap-l> brousch: You'll be happy with this one
[19:37] <snap-l> no new artists, no new albums
[19:37] <snap-l> It's called "Catchup, Must've Heard, and Relish"
[21:12] <greg-g> too much red! http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByFlight.do;jsessionid=C091D4FD377FFCAC2B2C3D6A62028FEA.web2:8009?id=252479596&airlineCode=CO&flightNumber=5437
[21:13] <rick_h> ouch
[21:14] <greg-g> yeah
[21:38] <greg-g> Status: Scheduled - Delayed 215 minutes
[21:38] <greg-g> getting worse!
[21:40] <rick_h_droid> double ouch
[21:42] <rick_h_droid> man 3+, hours? what happened?
[21:43] <tjagoda> The first weeks of programming classes always suck
[21:44] <greg-g> weather, apparently
[21:44] <tjagoda> "Do this incredibly simple task 5 times, but you cannot use loops"
[21:57] <rick_h_droid> interesting, no loops allowed eh?
[21:57] <rick_h_droid> do this thing you'd never do lol
[22:05] <Blazeix> heh, reminds me of my little brother's class in programming. he had to do something to the numbers 1 through 10, so he used a for loop.
[22:05] <Blazeix> the professor took off points because they hadn't learned for loops yet; he was supposed to use a while loop
[22:06] <tjagoda> The questions say "using only the topics covered in class."
[22:06] <tjagoda> So I can use if's, but not elses
[22:06] <tjagoda> and definitely no elsifs
[22:07] <tjagoda> and definitely not loops
[22:07] <greg-g> wow
[22:07] <greg-g> definitely not a fan of personalized learning, eh?
[22:07] <tjagoda> Negative
[22:08] <tjagoda> I added comments in the code about how much easier it would be with loops.
[22:09] <Blazeix> this is when you can get creative, and use tail recursion :)
[22:10] <rick_h_droid> Hah, no loops but break out the recursion
[22:15] <tjagoda> Had to remember how modulus worked
[22:16] <tjagoda> for separating integers off of a 5 digit number
[22:16] <tjagoda> bastards mixing math in my programming =P
[22:16] <rick_h> hah
[22:16] <tjagoda> Should've put the solution in using regular expressions but just commented it all out
[22:17] <tjagoda> definitely not used to Java's strange case sensitivity rules though
[22:17] <tjagoda> System.out.println being valid where system.out.println is invalid and etc
[22:20] <greg-g> more Rowan photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/grggrssmr/tags/rowan/
[22:20] <greg-g> :)
[22:21] <rick_h_droid> Woot! I someone miss the little guy this weekend?
[22:22] <greg-g> a lot
[22:25] <rick_h_droid> Hah looks like dad's making great use of the bjorn
[22:27] <greg-g> oh yeah, that's Dad's job
[22:28] <greg-g> is the 49ers game on? twitter is down.
[22:30] <tjagoda> Man
[22:30] <tjagoda> that greg-g guy, looks like such a hippy
[22:30] <rick_h_droid> not yet greg-g
[22:30] <tjagoda> hippie*
[22:30] <tjagoda> He's just hiding the baby's tie-dye jumpsuit from the rest of us.
[22:34] <greg-g> :)
[22:35] <jjesse> no 49ers hasn't started yet 6:30pm EST
[22:36] <tjagoda> Joe Brockmeier says grandchildren are CaaS.
[22:36] <tjagoda> Children as a Service.
[22:36] <greg-g> harder to scale up, though
[22:37] <tjagoda> NetBeans makes me angry.
[22:37] <greg-g> use vim
[22:37] <tjagoda> Forced to use NetBeans as well. =(
[22:38] <greg-g> forced? how can they tell? What do you submit?
[22:38] <tjagoda> Or, well, "Strongly encouraged"
[22:38]  * greg-g nods
[22:38] <tjagoda> You zip the netbeans generated project directory
[22:38] <tjagoda> And send it off through the intertubes.
[22:47] <brousch> i can't believe netbeans is still around
[22:48] <tjagoda> I cant believe that they require me to take Java =P
[22:51] <brousch> get annew school
[22:52] <Blazeix> we were just talking about netbeans at CHC detroit. apparently it isn't terrible now
[22:53] <brousch> it's owned by oracle, so i find that nearly impossible to believe
[22:53] <brousch> actually it was nice when i last used it in 2006
[23:12] <tjagoda> Our new ERP system runs on Oracle.
[23:14] <snap-l> tjagoda: I hope you got a nice lunch out of the deal
[23:15] <tjagoda> The system itself is quite good despite the pain and suffering it runs on.
[23:21] <tjagoda> I need to learn a language to a solid degree, and then write a CMS system specifically designed for IT
[23:21] <tjagoda> Because I want one and nothing that exists suits my needs
[23:23] <brousch> you've tried them all?
[23:23] <tjagoda> I haven't found one which wasn't geared for mostly sales thusfar
[23:26] <snap-l> And you've written a CMS in the past?
[23:28] <tjagoda> I have written absolutely zero in the past.
[23:29] <tjagoda> Are you insinuating that my complete and utter lack of experience will obstruct my product of perfection?! =P
[23:40] <rick_h> anyone on G+? do you see me hosting a hangout?
[23:41] <rick_h> I can't figure out the difference between a hangout with extras and a normal one as far as visibility
[23:41] <Blazeix> rick_h: no, i don't see you hosting one
[23:41] <rick_h> bah
[23:43] <rick_h> ok, so if you do with extras it seems you have to invite via email/chat
[23:43] <rick_h> and can't just "be hanging out"