[00:00] <knome> i've been busy with money-making job, but i'm available
[00:00] <knome> if you ever need something, just ping me
[00:09] <len> ScottL: todays (jan21) iso has the old ffmpeg extra problem. Possibly introduced by the live stuff. I'm thinking the "slide show".
[00:10] <len> So install fails
[02:08] <ailo> It's Gnome3 thing - choosing which file manager manages the desktop
[02:08] <ailo> It's also possible to have no file manager managing the desktop, if you want
[02:57]  * micahg is fixing the libav-extra issue
[04:43] <ailo> Would be great if jackd2 1.9.8 wound up in the repo..
[04:50] <len> Download and install 12.04 US for today jan21 (here still)
[04:51] <len> Found some interesting things. I don't like the kernel... it panics when I insert my sd card in it's slot... the same sd is fine through a usb converter.
[04:53] <len> the same sd is fine with xubuntu 11.10. I tried to install with the sd in the sd slot... booted fine but then could not "find" the "cd".
[04:55] <len> I took the sd out plugged it into the usb adaptor and it was fine. Under xubuntu 11.10 They both put out the same logging in dmesg.
[04:57] <micahg> len: let's wait for jackd2 to migrate to testing first
[04:58] <len> This is still a generic kernel
[04:58] <len> I will have to bug report anyway.
[05:00] <len> The install failed after setting all workflows for install because of ffmpeg extra confict again.
[05:00] <micahg> yeah, I just uploaded it 2 hours ago, it should be in the 22nd ISOs
[05:01] <len> So I just installed art and audio plugins and got through ok....
[05:01] <len> Just uploaded what? Kernel or ffmpeg fix
[05:02] <micahg> ffmpeg
[05:02] <micahg> there's a 3.2.0-10 kernel for precise now as well though
[05:03] <len> OK. Has the kernel got put in the seeds/metas yet?
[05:03] <len> Is the lowlat kernal built on the same source as the generic?
[05:03] <micahg> lowlatency isn't in the archive yet
[05:04] <len> might be a good thing I tested with this one so we know it is not the lowlat that is causing it.
[05:08] <len> Once I got it going I ran synaptic to install the metas I missed.
[05:10] <len> they all selected fine (promised to uninstall the non-extras) until I got to the video meta.
[05:12] <len> synaptic would not let me select the video meta because of a dep on ffmpeg... which, it said "would not be installed".
[05:13] <len> So I tried to select ffmpeg... no joy it had a dep of an av* that was not to be installed...
[05:16] <ailo> The idea with -lowlatency is that it is built from exactly the same source as -generic, except it has a slightly different configuration
[05:17] <ailo> Now, there is a difference between the current -lowlatency, and the current -generic however
[05:17] <ailo> The have different versions I believe
[05:18] <len> I'll file the bug against the kernel I have here.
[05:19] <len> The video meta seems to be bad. 
[05:19] <len> ubuntustudio-video:
[05:19] <len>  Depends: ffmpeg but it is not going to be installed
[05:19] <len>  Depends: openshot but it is not going to be installed
[05:23] <micahg> len: please wait tomorrow to try the video
[05:24] <len> /usr/share/xgreeters/default.desktop is still missing (link)
[05:24] <micahg> is it not working now?
[05:24] <len> I put it in manually
[05:25] <len> I will try video again tomorrow.
[05:27] <len> The install should work if the extras have been fixed.
[05:32] <len> Ok, looks like the av stuff is in the middle of an upgrade. Some are done and others not.
[05:33] <len> The two packages that won't install require 4:0.8, but we have 4:0.7
[16:20] <craigs63> hi kids, meeting here in 40 minutes?
[16:23] <astraljava> Not here, but on #ubuntu-meeting.
[16:24] <astraljava> ScottL: holstein: Up for chairing? I'm a little distracted here.
[16:24] <craigs63> thanks
[16:25] <holstein> astraljava: i should be home by then, and i should have time to chair
[16:25] <astraljava> Thanks Mike!
[16:53] <holstein> i might be a bit late
[16:53] <holstein> running home now
[17:01] <holstein> OK
[17:01] <holstein> not bad... one minute late :)
[17:40] <ailo> I just tried out mudita24
[17:40] <ailo> Only the levels, I/O and the meters
[17:40] <ailo> The app is pretty basic
[17:41] <ailo> Don't forsee any problems with it
[17:41] <holstein> cool
[17:42] <holstein> craigs63: thanks for attending
[17:42] <astraljava> ailo: len: Give it a few more runs, and prepare to report your findings in the next meeting. Ok?
[17:45] <astraljava> I'm fairly confident it runs well, so we could do it in the next informal meeting a week from now, it's not that big a deal.
[17:45] <astraljava> But since it's not a "stable" release from the upstream, I also don't wanna get it synced just like that.
[17:48] <ailo> astraljava: IT won't crash anyway. The questions is whether all the controls are doing what they are supposed, but I would think they do, since the changes were more of a superficial nature
[17:48] <ailo> There is some oddity in how the volume controls are drawn
[17:48] <ailo> But, it makes no difference
[17:49] <ailo> It all seems to work normally
[17:50] <holstein> i just copied https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2012February5 over from todays agenda and edited times
[17:50] <holstein> if you guys want to "have at it"
[17:56] <astraljava> holstein: Thanks! I can edit it for actions and stuff.
[17:57] <holstein> astraljava: thanks... i dont mind chewing away at some of it too.. im just doing the broad strokes before i need to run out the door
[17:58] <astraljava> Sure thing.
[17:58] <ailo> I'm going to sleep, at 7pm.
[17:59] <ailo> See you guys around
[18:07] <holstein> astraljava: i think todays page looks good
[18:07] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2012January22
[18:07] <holstein> if you want to go ahead and focus on the next meetings' page
[18:07] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2012February5
[18:08] <holstein> couldnt decide if it should be 5 or 05 ..whatever
[18:50] <ScottL> jeez, sorry for missing the meeting
[18:51] <ScottL> wife is out of town and i'm a little distracted with the two boys
[18:52] <ScottL> and completely missed that it was past 10:00 already
[18:53] <astraljava> No worries Scott. :)
[18:55] <ScottL> i feel bad because it's become routine for me to miss the meeting
[18:55] <ScottL> i rely on google calendar for reminders but i'm not always by a computer or with my phone
[18:56] <ScottL> when home i routinely put my phone on my dresser in the bedroom and only pick it up if we go out
[18:57] <astraljava> It's not that big a deal, really. We can work out the issues at other times. And we should, too. For instance the tasks tracking etc.
[18:57] <ScottL> i think i might buy a cheap alarm clock and put it somewhere cental that will go off on sundays
[18:57] <astraljava> So it really isn't an issue if one of us misses a meeting or three.
[19:00] <ScottL> but it's not like the meeting is not friendly to my time zone, i'm available and practically always at the house during those times
[19:00] <ScottL> i just need a better system to remind myself about the meeting
[20:25] <ScottL> is anyone interested in being a 3rd maintainer for the lowlatency kernel?  this would basically be a fail-over position in case abogani or i were no longer available?
[20:26] <ScottL> i will also be creating a lowlatency kernel team under ubuntu studio, the three persons would be on this team
[20:26] <ScottL> TheMuso, can i have your advice about how to properly include sane, default jack settings?
[20:27] <ScottL> TheMuso, we have the settings and i have been told that i can place them in the /skel directory to be included into a user's home directory
[20:27] <ScottL> TheMuso, my concern is about whether they should be included in the -default-settings package or create another binary from within the -default-settings source code
[20:28] <ScottL> TheMuso, i am leaning to creating another binary for this because this would limit people's access to isntalling something into their /home directory unecessarily or unintentionally
[20:56] <micahg> if they're defaults, why aren't they set on the system level instead of a per-user basis?
[21:02] <ScottL> micahg, i believe that jack only sets it's setting in the user's home directory, i don't know if it can be set like you are describing but i think that is a good idea if possible
[21:03] <micahg> you might want to talk to the Debian multimedia team (#debian-multimedia on OFTC)
[21:03] <ScottL> i.e. have a default system setting, but if the user adjusts it then it gets set in the /home directory then and jack always checks for the existance of the /home directory settings first and uses the system setting otherwise
[21:03] <ScottL> micahg, i will do that
[21:57] <astraljava> ScottL: I can be the third maintainer, sure.
[22:02] <ScottL> astraljava, sweet!  i'll make the team later this evening :)
[22:02] <ScottL> (and i can mark the blueprint as "DONE" on two more items)