/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/01/23/#lubuntu.txt

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txomon|homehi, isn't any way to install a lightweight lubuntu? lubuntu-desktop seems to heavy for my 256MB ram computer00:18
MrChrisDruiftxomon|home; sorry?00:21
Unit193You could just build from the mini CD up, and add only flux or openbox, but you'd need to know a little about what you're doing00:22
txomon|homeMrChrisDruif, I thought installing from a mini iso, the basic-system, and then lubuntu core, would be what I needed, but at the end I had to install lubuntu-desktop package00:22
MrChrisDruifUnit193; tisk tisk00:22
txomon|homeI really made netboot00:23
txomon|homeI have fluxbox in another computer, and goes nearly decent... But the idea is that I like very much lubuntu, but it seems that lubuntu-desktop package is not as lightweight as I thought00:24
MrChrisDruiftxomon|home; You've gone through these steps? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Method00:24
MrChrisDruifAnd then of course lubuntu-core ?00:25
Unit193lubuntu-core might be a bit better00:25
txomon|homeMrChrisDruif, well, I didn't knew that guide exited, but the thing is that at the end of the installation, I could select between some predefined packages, and I choosed lubuntu core00:26
txomon|homebut that wasn't booting an X enviroment!00:26
MrChrisDruifAwkward00:26
MrChrisDruifOw wait!00:27
MrChrisDruifhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseNotes/OneiricOcelot#Desktop_ISO_boot_to_a_terminal_prompt00:28
txomon|homeMrChrisDruif, I already installed the system00:30
txomon|homeand I selected *only* the lubuntu core option00:30
* MrChrisDruif doesn't know what to do, do you have any ideas Unit193 ?00:36
Unit193Kinda working on something, but see if you have lxdm or lightdm installed, I'd think not though. Then try typing   startlubuntu from that terminal, but as you said you already installed -desktop...00:37
txomon|homeUnit193, I am going to give a try, by reinstalling00:38
Unit193Another computer with a VM?00:39
txomon|homenop,00:39
txomon|homegoing to format this00:39
txomon|homethe real computer I am going to install, has 512 ram00:39
txomon|homebut still that processor etc.00:39
txomon|homethe only difference is that I had one with more ram00:40
* txomon|home has made a netboot, configured a apt-cacher-ng proxy, so expects 10 mins of installation, and then will ask questions...00:45
txomon|homeMrChrisDruif, Unit193, I have just installed in a PIII, 512 RAM, 1.1GHz (<- not sure about this), the ubuntu base system, now, it lets me choose to install OpenSSH server, Virtual Machine Host, etc. those options. Between them, there is a "Lubuntu minimal installation" option. I am going to mark that one and "OpenSSH server" one01:16
MrChrisDruiftxomon|home; are you running the alternate installer?01:16
txomon|homeMrChrisDruif, netboot installer01:16
txomon|homeits curses interface01:17
txomon|homencurses I suppose01:17
txomon|homeso I am to select _just_ those two options01:18
MrChrisDruifI think so01:19
* txomon|home sees that although he has minimized the download time thanks to a cache, it is imposible to do to speed up a 1.1GHz PIII...01:23
* txomon|home 's computer finished! now booting01:33
* txomon|home expected 10 minutes installation, had 50 minutes one01:34
* MrChrisDruif crosses fingers for txomon|home 01:34
* txomon|home waiting for network configuration appeared...01:34
* txomon|home waiting 60 seconds more... ah no, now blank screen01:35
txomon|homeMrChrisDruif, ;_(  doesn't work  (snif)01:35
txomon|homeI got a blank screen01:35
txomon|home... not many packages selected here...01:41
Unit193CTRL+alt+F1 and see if you have lxdm  (dpkg -l |grep lxdm) and if not,  startlubuntu01:41
txomon|home58701:41
txomon|homeUnit193, I am with a dpkg --get-selections | less01:41
txomon|homeso tell me01:41
txomon|homeand no, lxdm is not listed01:41
Unit193Right, try the next step01:42
txomon|homethere are: lubuntu-artwork, lubuntu-default-settings, lubuntu-icon-theme, lxmenu-data. lxpanel, lxsession01:42
txomon|home(and many more)01:42
txomon|homeUnit193, which is next step?01:44
Unit193And the terminal type   startlubuntu01:45
txomon|homeUnit193, ... I am in F1 terminal,  F7 is blank01:47
Unit193Did you type that?? Any errors?01:47
txomon|homeUnit193, nothing01:48
txomon|homeUnit193, but xinit does something strange01:50
Unit193If X isn't running, you may need to start that (I think I had to, but it's been a while)01:50
txomon|homeUnit193, there doesn't seem to be any X running01:51
txomon|homegoing to install in a VM, and see if it happens the same...01:53
txomon|homeUnit193, I am having strange things with this...02:10
txomon|homeit is starting/stoping several things02:10
txomon|homem4v, can you help me?02:12
m4vtxomon|home: I'm afraid no, ask questions to the channel please, not to people directly.02:15
txomon|homeUnit193, MrChrisDruif I finally succeded! had to do xinit and startlubuntu...02:17
MrChrisDruifAwesome that it finally worked02:17
MrChrisDruifUnit193; you'll not it down?02:17
txomon|homeMrChrisDruif, yes... but If I do it form a terminal, that terminal will apear in a shell in the X windows...02:18
txomon|homeand if I close it, I go back to F1 terminal02:18
MrChrisDruifHmm02:18
txomon|homeyep02:19
txomon|homefor example making ctrl+alt+t fails, as lxterminal is not installed...02:20
txomon|homeso I wonder what means lubuntu-core...02:20
MrChrisDruiftxomon|home; lubuntu-core pretty much installs the bare (and it's really bare) system02:30
KufatHi, I'm having a difficult time removing chromium-browser without installing another browser; I've removed lubuntu-desktop and lxde-core, but I think I'm still missing another metapackage.  Any suggestions as to what it might be?  Thanks.02:30
txomon|homeMrChrisDruif, there is a girl (i think) in #ubuntu that says I should really install lxdm02:31
MrChrisDruifYou can then install everything thing you like to lubuntu02:31
MrChrisDruifDoes it really matter if it's a boy or a girl txomon|home ?02:31
Kufat(I want to use the Google-maintained Chrome package as my browser, so Chromium/Firefox/etc. are redundant and the machine only has a 4GB disk, so...)02:31
txomon|homeMrChrisDruif, not in English xD02:31
Unit193Kufat: Don't remember the string, but you had to   sudo apt-get purge firefox chromium midori *(and maybe a few more)02:33
MrChrisDruiftxomon|home; "apt-cache show lubuntu-core | grep Depends:" shows me "Depends: dbus-x11, lubuntu-artwork, lubuntu-default-settings, lxpanel, lxsession, openbox, pcmanfm, plymouth-theme-lubuntu-logo, plymouth-theme-lubuntu-text, xorg"02:33
MrChrisDruifIndeed, I don't see any DM in there02:33
KufatUnit193, I tried a long line of that02:34
txomon|homeI know02:34
Kufatended up wanting me to install a few random libs02:34
MrChrisDruifSo LXDM or LightDM or any other should help02:34
txomon|homebut I thought that should be included...02:34
MrChrisDruifFor a core install you don't "need" a graphical display manager02:34
txomon|homewell... really needed... I suppose nothing, lubuntu-artwork neither xD. But will get into account02:35
Kufatmight just give Mint a shot instead02:36
Kufat(this is a brand new install, so not much to lose)02:36
MrChrisDruifxinit or something else (can't come up with the name atm) can be used to get into the account with terminal02:38
MrChrisDruifKufat; sudo apt-get purge asked you to install some random libs?02:39
Kufatyeah, a few pulse audio things02:39
MrChrisDruifThat shouldn't happen with purge O_O02:40
MrChrisDruifWhat I usually use is "sudo apt-get autoremove chromium-browser" for instance02:40
Kufatthis was the command I used: sudo apt-get --purge remove chromium-browser firefox epiphany-browser midori dolphin phonon rtkit02:40
Kufatright, that will try to install firefox02:41
MrChrisDruifYou also wanted to remove phonon?02:42
MrChrisDruifWhat does "sudo apt-get autoremove chromium-browser firefox epiphany-browser midori dolphin phonon rtkit" get you?02:42
Kufathmm02:42
Kufatmight not want to remove phonon02:42
MrChrisDruifAnd rtkit?02:42
txomon|homeMrChrisDruif, which is the most light-weight browser?02:43
Unit19314:31 < Unit193> "sudo apt-get purge chromium-browser firefox epiphany-browser midori dolphin konqueror" Was the line they posted02:43
txomon|homeor Unit193 ^02:43
MrChrisDruifautoremove works better02:43
Unit193Meh02:43
Kufatkonqueror is what did it02:44
MrChrisDruifI hear Midori is pretty lightweight, you've also got IceCat or something like that, but chromium-browser is pretty light afaik02:44
Kufatseems ok now02:44
txomon|homeoki02:44
KufatMrChrisDruif, I'm just trying to use the Google-maintained Chrome package02:44
MrChrisDruifKufat; why?02:44
Kufatupdated more frequently02:44
MrChrisDruifIf I so boldly may ask? ^_^02:44
Kufatv16 vs. v15 for Chromium, etc.02:44
Unit193txomon|home: Depends on usage, but midori isn't fully compatible (but it is the "best")02:45
MrChrisDruifKufat; you can get the same with the daily PPA for chromium ;-)02:45
Kufatright, but I want recent stable, not nightlies02:45
MrChrisDruifThey also got that02:45
Kufathmm02:45
txomon|homewill use chromium... I am preparing it for my gf's father :X02:45
MrChrisDruifKufat; http://www.google.nl/search?gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=chromium+ppa02:45
MrChrisDruifI see three PPA's right in the top02:46
Unit193I've found firefox to use less if you have many (or a few) tabs open, but that's me02:46
KufatMrChrisDruif, I saw the first three, but it's the fifth or so that has what I want02:46
Kufathttps://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/stable02:47
txomon|homedoes anyone remember which was the package for old sound cards?02:47
MrChrisDruifKufat; I think you'd want https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/beta but it's all up to you. Chromium is actively being updated in Ubuntu these days afaik02:48
MrChrisDruifVersion: 15.0.874.106~r107270-0ubuntu0.11.10.1 <- current in Oneiric02:49
KufatMrChrisDruif, I probably would use the beta channel if I was keeping the machine instead of giving it away :)02:49
MrChrisDruifIs it really terrible to be one version behind Chrome?02:49
Kufatthe only reason I wanted v16 was because ABP wanted it02:49
MrChrisDruifAwkward02:49
* MrChrisDruif switches to version 18 now btw ;-)02:50
KufatA friend of mine with no particular computer skill is going on an international trip for a month and she wants a machine that's light enough to carry and cheap enough that she won't shed any tears if it gets lost...so I pulled my Eee PC 900a out of a drawer and fired it up.02:51
MrChrisDruifAlways good to hear02:51
KufatAnd since vanilla Ubuntu is a bit of a dog these days, I figured I'd try one of the lightweight versions.  (I usually use Xubuntu, personally)02:52
MrChrisDruifhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/ASUS_Eee_White_Alt-small.png ?02:53
KufatThat looks like a 700 series, this is...02:53
Kufathttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-EEE-PC-900a-Eeepc-As-is-/160713584949?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item256b46b13502:54
MrChrisDruifShould be lightweight indeed02:55
KufatYeah, 4GB isn't much02:56
KufatShould be good to go now, though.  My only other concern is the lack of an easy mixer accessible through the volume button on the panel.02:56
MrChrisDruifMixer for what?02:57
KufatMic input for Skype, basically.02:57
KufatI did get the alsa mixer and set up reasonable values, just not sure if she'll remember where that is if she needs it.02:58
MrChrisDruifI thought Lubuntu came with something for settings audio up?03:36
KufatMrChrisDruif, if it does, I didn't see it. :)03:40
* MrChrisDruif isn't using Lubuntu <_<"03:40
MrChrisDruifUnit193; ^03:40
Kufat(only the very, very basic volume control in the panel)03:40
Unit193Alsamixer03:40
Kufatyeah, that's what I installed03:40
Unit193There by default...03:41
Kufatmaybe I just installed a gui frontend for it, then?03:41
Unit193You can put a .desktop file for the menu03:41
Kufatyeah03:41
wxlum, i think ncurses counts for a gui ;)03:53
Kufatmhm03:53
KufatI've been using linux since the days when I had to manually configure the pnp settings for my ISA expansion cards; the person who's getting this machine hasn't.03:55
shadowkatls03:55
shadowkatwrong frame03:55
wxladmittedly alsamixer *IS* pretty polished03:56
john32hmm i can't seem to play a video over a smb:// shre04:12
john32i tried browsing to ~/.gvfs but that didn't work either04:12
john32works when i copy the file to my desktop though04:13
Unit193Yeah, PCmanFM doesn't like that, either try browsing using the client directly, or thunar :P04:13
john32ah04:14
john32i should be able to queue them up in gmplayer then04:14
john32to be honest pcmanfm annoys the hell out of me04:17
john32with its often crashing04:17
john32doesn't appear to do any more than thunar either04:17
Unit193Tabs for one04:18
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Kufatanyway, thanks again, everyone05:15
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emiliano_greetings! salve!13:31
emiliano__greetings can someone help me?13:49
Tm_Temiliano__: it would help if you would tell the problem you have (:13:52
emiliano__Sure! I've trouble with installation of my internal modem :agere system13:53
Tm_Tstill no enough context, what is the trouble you're having? what exactly you are doing? what is the hardware?13:54
Cradamhi, can anyone tell me where the menu used in lubuntu stores its entries?14:05
Cradami need to add an entry14:05
emiliano__ok sorry, so I'm working with fujitsu siemens lifebook c1410, with lubuntu 11.10 (kwin instead of openbox) and I need to use my internal modem 0x11c11040 (from scanmodem by linmodems) I try to install this:http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/11c11040/agrsm-11c11040_20110811_i386.deb   but it don't work even if I noticed that it make a directory /lib/modules/3.0.13 and my system start with 3.0.15... w14:06
emiliano__hen I use kppp or gnomeppp they don't recognize modem14:06
Tm_Tpatiency (:14:37
smileI'm looking for an LXDE Wiki Admin ^^15:19
smileWhat's the screen resolution changer in LXDE? :)15:22
smileOh, i've found it :) LXRandr :)15:23
valdurHello. I am testing Lubuntu 12.04 dailly builds15:54
valdurand i found typical non-gnome bug. Sound control is bad15:55
Sillionhi16:24
Sillionthere is a power management tool in lubuntu what's its name? how to activate once installed?16:25
Sillioni remember that there is a case to check to minimized the use of the HDD !16:26
phillwSillion: it's found by right-clicking the power-icon towards the right hand side of the task bar.16:36
phillwvaldur: LX does not presently have a GUI for sound control. I use the gnome alsa mixer (it doen't drag in the entire gnome library :P ).16:38
Sillionthx phillw but i do not have any power-icon there16:45
lubianaSillion: its the xfce4-power-manager16:46
lubianawhenn starting it, there will be an applet in the applet area of the taskbar16:46
Sillionlubiana, do i launch it ina terminal?16:47
lubianaif not, then you have to run xfce4-power-manager-settings16:47
lubianaif you launch it in the terminal the terminal will have to stay open16:47
Sillionyep16:48
lubianait should start automatically16:48
Sillionbut i do no t see it in the menu16:48
lubianayu can make it always visible with in the settings16:48
lubianaxfce4-power-manager-settings16:48
Sillionok thx i'll try16:48
Sillionthat's it16:49
Sillionthx16:49
lubianano problem16:50
lubianahave fun with ubuntu!16:50
lubiana*lubuntu16:50
Sillionhehe16:50
Silliondo you know how to configure a multimedia keyboard?16:50
Sillionive got some extra keys16:51
Sillionlike play +and- volume buttons, etc16:51
lubianaunfortunalety no16:52
lubianagotty go now anyway16:52
lubianabye16:52
smilebye16:52
smile:p16:52
Sillionbye16:53
Sillionso do I16:54
smilehi :)17:27
lubianasmile: hi17:32
smile:D17:32
Gnostus_How goes everyones monday?17:33
smilefine fine ^^17:33
smileI get a DKMS error with virtualbox :p17:33
Gnostus_:\ no fun17:33
smileI'll just wait for 12.04 :)17:35
smileAnd perform a fresh install :p17:35
kanliothey do you rmember netscape composer? does lubuntu have something like that19:13
smilekanliot: you can install seamonkey for that :)19:13
kanliotk i will19:13
kanliotis seamonkey in the repos?19:14
smilekanliot: yeah, I think it is (in Ubuntu 11.04 it was :p )19:15
smileso i think also in Lubuntu 11.10 :)19:15
kanliotty smile19:15
smileyw :)19:15
kanliotseamonkey works great.  I needed to cut and paste a block of text with hyperlinks from a website.  abiword didn't keep the hyperlins!19:19
smilekanliot: yeah cool man 8)19:20
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Sentynelhi folks, got an issue with application alerts (blinking taskbar items) not functioning for all software. works fine for some (e.g. xchat) but others (seems to be things using qt) blink the window title bar for a couple of seconds, rather than blinking the tray item indefinitely as expected22:40
Sentynelis there a setting I'm missing to change this behaviour, or is it a qt issue?22:41
kanlioti have that problem with the firefox download window  its very very annoying22:54
kanliotalso annoying is that ubuntuforums.org seems to be down due to load22:55
bioterroryou should make bug raport against lxpanel22:56
bioterrornow that you found each other, if another one clicks that it affects him too, it will be confirmed22:56
kanlioti'm not 100% sure it's lxpanel.  The problem could be firefox22:59
Sentynelsounds like there's a reasonable chance it's lxpanel at issue here23:00
Sentynelsame symptoms, two completely different pieces of software23:00
Sentyneldoes lxde have its own bug tracker or should I use launchpad?23:01
bioterrorlaunchpad will be fine23:01
kanliotthis is gonna make me look stupid, but anyway23:19
kanliotare there only 7 bugs in lubuntu?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop23:19
Myrttithat's the metapackage23:20
Myrttinot the whole distro23:20
Unit193No, that's lubuntu desktop and not normally the right place to report23:20
kanliotso, lxpanel bugs would be under lxpanel?23:21
Unit193Should be, yep23:21
Sentynelkanliot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/92072723:23
ubot5Launchpad bug 920727 in lxpanel (Ubuntu) "Alert highlight/flash not functional for all windows" [Undecided,New]23:23
xubuntu160Hi, for a low pc is better xubuntu or lubuntu?23:23
kanliothow low?23:24
kanliothow much RAM23:24
shadowkatI'd say Lubuntu uses fewer resources than Xubuntu.23:24
shadowkatymmv23:24
Sentynelyeah, lubuntu seems a tad lower to me, and popular opinion seems to agree23:25
shadowkatRight now, this PC has a total of 512mb of ram and it runs fine as long as I don't have too many browser tabs open. ;-)23:25
xubuntu16051223:25
xubuntu160i't a eeepc23:26
kanliotyeah, that's pretty low23:27
Sentynelmy dad's office machine is a creaky old desktop with 512MB of RAM running lubuntu with no memory issues23:28
kanliotalso the new  firefox is better on memory than chrome is!23:28
shadowkatI only find it a problem when browsing with too many tabs.23:29
shadowkatI ordered 2gb to fill the slots of this old PC.23:29
MrChrisDruifAfaik is lubuntu less resource hungry23:29
shadowkatIt is.23:29
xubuntu160ty m8, u are really good :D23:30
xubuntu160I'm downloading lubuntu23:30
MrChrisDruifkanliot; do you happen to know if there is an omnibar add-on available for firefox?23:30
shadowkatI think you'll be happy with it.23:30
Sentynelkanliot: yikes, how much does chromium use now?23:30
MrChrisDruifSentynel; per tab about .. <checks>23:30
kanliot whats an omnibar?23:30
shadowkatI use Midori in place of Chromium because it tends to gobble up memory.23:31
xubuntu160yes ther'is omibar addon in firefox23:31
Sentynelfirefox is currently accounting for over half of my total memory usage on this system at a relatively modest 210MB, with three tabs open23:31
MrChrisDruifOne bar instead of the default two in firefox23:31
shadowkatMidori is a bit better than Chromium and Firefox for memory usage.23:31
MrChrisDruifCombining search and address bar23:31
kanliotyeah google says there's an omnibar23:31
MrChrisDruifshadowkat; is it also good with flash for example?23:31
shadowkatMrChrisDruif: Yes, I have no problems with flash.23:32
shadowkatThere are some pages Midori chokes on, but, for the most part, it's a decent alternative. It's getting better.23:33
MrChrisDruifIt's about 20MiB per tab23:33
shadowkatIt's a whole lot better than Chromium under such limited ram.23:33

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