[00:18] <txomon|home> hi, isn't any way to install a lightweight lubuntu? lubuntu-desktop seems to heavy for my 256MB ram computer
[00:21] <MrChrisDruif> txomon|home; sorry?
[00:22] <Unit193> You could just build from the mini CD up, and add only flux or openbox, but you'd need to know a little about what you're doing
[00:22] <txomon|home> MrChrisDruif, I thought installing from a mini iso, the basic-system, and then lubuntu core, would be what I needed, but at the end I had to install lubuntu-desktop package
[00:22] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193; tisk tisk
[00:23] <txomon|home> I really made netboot
[00:24] <txomon|home> I have fluxbox in another computer, and goes nearly decent... But the idea is that I like very much lubuntu, but it seems that lubuntu-desktop package is not as lightweight as I thought
[00:24] <MrChrisDruif> txomon|home; You've gone through these steps? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Method
[00:25] <MrChrisDruif> And then of course lubuntu-core ?
[00:25] <Unit193> lubuntu-core might be a bit better
[00:26] <txomon|home> MrChrisDruif, well, I didn't knew that guide exited, but the thing is that at the end of the installation, I could select between some predefined packages, and I choosed lubuntu core
[00:26] <txomon|home> but that wasn't booting an X enviroment!
[00:26] <MrChrisDruif> Awkward
[00:27] <MrChrisDruif> Ow wait!
[00:28] <MrChrisDruif> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseNotes/OneiricOcelot#Desktop_ISO_boot_to_a_terminal_prompt
[00:30] <txomon|home> MrChrisDruif, I already installed the system
[00:30] <txomon|home> and I selected *only* the lubuntu core option
[00:36]  * MrChrisDruif doesn't know what to do, do you have any ideas Unit193 ?
[00:37] <Unit193> Kinda working on something, but see if you have lxdm or lightdm installed, I'd think not though. Then try typing   startlubuntu from that terminal, but as you said you already installed -desktop...
[00:38] <txomon|home> Unit193, I am going to give a try, by reinstalling
[00:39] <Unit193> Another computer with a VM?
[00:39] <txomon|home> nop,
[00:39] <txomon|home> going to format this
[00:39] <txomon|home> the real computer I am going to install, has 512 ram
[00:39] <txomon|home> but still that processor etc.
[00:40] <txomon|home> the only difference is that I had one with more ram
[00:45]  * txomon|home has made a netboot, configured a apt-cacher-ng proxy, so expects 10 mins of installation, and then will ask questions...
[01:16] <txomon|home> MrChrisDruif, Unit193, I have just installed in a PIII, 512 RAM, 1.1GHz (<- not sure about this), the ubuntu base system, now, it lets me choose to install OpenSSH server, Virtual Machine Host, etc. those options. Between them, there is a "Lubuntu minimal installation" option. I am going to mark that one and "OpenSSH server" one
[01:16] <MrChrisDruif> txomon|home; are you running the alternate installer?
[01:16] <txomon|home> MrChrisDruif, netboot installer
[01:17] <txomon|home> its curses interface
[01:17] <txomon|home> ncurses I suppose
[01:18] <txomon|home> so I am to select _just_ those two options
[01:19] <MrChrisDruif> I think so
[01:23]  * txomon|home sees that although he has minimized the download time thanks to a cache, it is imposible to do to speed up a 1.1GHz PIII...
[01:33]  * txomon|home 's computer finished! now booting
[01:34]  * txomon|home expected 10 minutes installation, had 50 minutes one
[01:34]  * MrChrisDruif crosses fingers for txomon|home 
[01:34]  * txomon|home waiting for network configuration appeared...
[01:35]  * txomon|home waiting 60 seconds more... ah no, now blank screen
[01:35] <txomon|home> MrChrisDruif, ;_(  doesn't work  (snif)
[01:35] <txomon|home> I got a blank screen
[01:41] <txomon|home> ... not many packages selected here...
[01:41] <Unit193> CTRL+alt+F1 and see if you have lxdm  (dpkg -l |grep lxdm) and if not,  startlubuntu
[01:41] <txomon|home> 587
[01:41] <txomon|home> Unit193, I am with a dpkg --get-selections | less
[01:41] <txomon|home> so tell me
[01:41] <txomon|home> and no, lxdm is not listed
[01:42] <Unit193> Right, try the next step
[01:42] <txomon|home> there are: lubuntu-artwork, lubuntu-default-settings, lubuntu-icon-theme, lxmenu-data. lxpanel, lxsession
[01:42] <txomon|home> (and many more)
[01:44] <txomon|home> Unit193, which is next step?
[01:45] <Unit193> And the terminal type   startlubuntu
[01:47] <txomon|home> Unit193, ... I am in F1 terminal,  F7 is blank
[01:47] <Unit193> Did you type that?? Any errors?
[01:48] <txomon|home> Unit193, nothing
[01:50] <txomon|home> Unit193, but xinit does something strange
[01:50] <Unit193> If X isn't running, you may need to start that (I think I had to, but it's been a while)
[01:51] <txomon|home> Unit193, there doesn't seem to be any X running
[01:53] <txomon|home> going to install in a VM, and see if it happens the same...
[02:10] <txomon|home> Unit193, I am having strange things with this...
[02:10] <txomon|home> it is starting/stoping several things
[02:12] <txomon|home> m4v, can you help me?
[02:15] <m4v> txomon|home: I'm afraid no, ask questions to the channel please, not to people directly.
[02:17] <txomon|home> Unit193, MrChrisDruif I finally succeded! had to do xinit and startlubuntu...
[02:17] <MrChrisDruif> Awesome that it finally worked
[02:17] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193; you'll not it down?
[02:18] <txomon|home> MrChrisDruif, yes... but If I do it form a terminal, that terminal will apear in a shell in the X windows...
[02:18] <txomon|home> and if I close it, I go back to F1 terminal
[02:18] <MrChrisDruif> Hmm
[02:19] <txomon|home> yep
[02:20] <txomon|home> for example making ctrl+alt+t fails, as lxterminal is not installed...
[02:20] <txomon|home> so I wonder what means lubuntu-core...
[02:30] <MrChrisDruif> txomon|home; lubuntu-core pretty much installs the bare (and it's really bare) system
[02:30] <Kufat> Hi, I'm having a difficult time removing chromium-browser without installing another browser; I've removed lubuntu-desktop and lxde-core, but I think I'm still missing another metapackage.  Any suggestions as to what it might be?  Thanks.
[02:31] <txomon|home> MrChrisDruif, there is a girl (i think) in #ubuntu that says I should really install lxdm
[02:31] <MrChrisDruif> You can then install everything thing you like to lubuntu
[02:31] <MrChrisDruif> Does it really matter if it's a boy or a girl txomon|home ?
[02:31] <Kufat> (I want to use the Google-maintained Chrome package as my browser, so Chromium/Firefox/etc. are redundant and the machine only has a 4GB disk, so...)
[02:31] <txomon|home> MrChrisDruif, not in English xD
[02:33] <Unit193> Kufat: Don't remember the string, but you had to   sudo apt-get purge firefox chromium midori *(and maybe a few more)
[02:33] <MrChrisDruif> txomon|home; "apt-cache show lubuntu-core | grep Depends:" shows me "Depends: dbus-x11, lubuntu-artwork, lubuntu-default-settings, lxpanel, lxsession, openbox, pcmanfm, plymouth-theme-lubuntu-logo, plymouth-theme-lubuntu-text, xorg"
[02:33] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed, I don't see any DM in there
[02:34] <Kufat> Unit193, I tried a long line of that
[02:34] <txomon|home> I know
[02:34] <Kufat> ended up wanting me to install a few random libs
[02:34] <MrChrisDruif> So LXDM or LightDM or any other should help
[02:34] <txomon|home> but I thought that should be included...
[02:34] <MrChrisDruif> For a core install you don't "need" a graphical display manager
[02:35] <txomon|home> well... really needed... I suppose nothing, lubuntu-artwork neither xD. But will get into account
[02:36] <Kufat> might just give Mint a shot instead
[02:36] <Kufat> (this is a brand new install, so not much to lose)
[02:38] <MrChrisDruif> xinit or something else (can't come up with the name atm) can be used to get into the account with terminal
[02:39] <MrChrisDruif> Kufat; sudo apt-get purge asked you to install some random libs?
[02:39] <Kufat> yeah, a few pulse audio things
[02:40] <MrChrisDruif> That shouldn't happen with purge O_O
[02:40] <MrChrisDruif> What I usually use is "sudo apt-get autoremove chromium-browser" for instance
[02:40] <Kufat> this was the command I used: sudo apt-get --purge remove chromium-browser firefox epiphany-browser midori dolphin phonon rtkit
[02:41] <Kufat> right, that will try to install firefox
[02:42] <MrChrisDruif> You also wanted to remove phonon?
[02:42] <MrChrisDruif> What does "sudo apt-get autoremove chromium-browser firefox epiphany-browser midori dolphin phonon rtkit" get you?
[02:42] <Kufat> hmm
[02:42] <Kufat> might not want to remove phonon
[02:42] <MrChrisDruif> And rtkit?
[02:43] <txomon|home> MrChrisDruif, which is the most light-weight browser?
[02:43] <Unit193> 14:31 < Unit193> "sudo apt-get purge chromium-browser firefox epiphany-browser midori dolphin konqueror" Was the line they posted
[02:43] <txomon|home> or Unit193 ^
[02:43] <MrChrisDruif> autoremove works better
[02:43] <Unit193> Meh
[02:44] <Kufat> konqueror is what did it
[02:44] <MrChrisDruif> I hear Midori is pretty lightweight, you've also got IceCat or something like that, but chromium-browser is pretty light afaik
[02:44] <Kufat> seems ok now
[02:44] <txomon|home> oki
[02:44] <Kufat> MrChrisDruif, I'm just trying to use the Google-maintained Chrome package
[02:44] <MrChrisDruif> Kufat; why?
[02:44] <Kufat> updated more frequently
[02:44] <MrChrisDruif> If I so boldly may ask? ^_^
[02:44] <Kufat> v16 vs. v15 for Chromium, etc.
[02:45] <Unit193> txomon|home: Depends on usage, but midori isn't fully compatible (but it is the "best")
[02:45] <MrChrisDruif> Kufat; you can get the same with the daily PPA for chromium ;-)
[02:45] <Kufat> right, but I want recent stable, not nightlies
[02:45] <MrChrisDruif> They also got that
[02:45] <Kufat> hmm
[02:45] <txomon|home> will use chromium... I am preparing it for my gf's father :X
[02:45] <MrChrisDruif> Kufat; http://www.google.nl/search?gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=chromium+ppa
[02:46] <MrChrisDruif> I see three PPA's right in the top
[02:46] <Unit193> I've found firefox to use less if you have many (or a few) tabs open, but that's me
[02:46] <Kufat> MrChrisDruif, I saw the first three, but it's the fifth or so that has what I want
[02:47] <Kufat> https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/stable
[02:47] <txomon|home> does anyone remember which was the package for old sound cards?
[02:48] <MrChrisDruif> Kufat; I think you'd want https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/beta but it's all up to you. Chromium is actively being updated in Ubuntu these days afaik
[02:49] <MrChrisDruif> Version: 15.0.874.106~r107270-0ubuntu0.11.10.1 <- current in Oneiric
[02:49] <Kufat> MrChrisDruif, I probably would use the beta channel if I was keeping the machine instead of giving it away :)
[02:49] <MrChrisDruif> Is it really terrible to be one version behind Chrome?
[02:49] <Kufat> the only reason I wanted v16 was because ABP wanted it
[02:49] <MrChrisDruif> Awkward
[02:50]  * MrChrisDruif switches to version 18 now btw ;-)
[02:51] <Kufat> A friend of mine with no particular computer skill is going on an international trip for a month and she wants a machine that's light enough to carry and cheap enough that she won't shed any tears if it gets lost...so I pulled my Eee PC 900a out of a drawer and fired it up.
[02:51] <MrChrisDruif> Always good to hear
[02:52] <Kufat> And since vanilla Ubuntu is a bit of a dog these days, I figured I'd try one of the lightweight versions.  (I usually use Xubuntu, personally)
[02:53] <MrChrisDruif> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/ASUS_Eee_White_Alt-small.png ?
[02:53] <Kufat> That looks like a 700 series, this is...
[02:54] <Kufat> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-EEE-PC-900a-Eeepc-As-is-/160713584949?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item256b46b135
[02:55] <MrChrisDruif> Should be lightweight indeed
[02:56] <Kufat> Yeah, 4GB isn't much
[02:56] <Kufat> Should be good to go now, though.  My only other concern is the lack of an easy mixer accessible through the volume button on the panel.
[02:57] <MrChrisDruif> Mixer for what?
[02:57] <Kufat> Mic input for Skype, basically.
[02:58] <Kufat> I did get the alsa mixer and set up reasonable values, just not sure if she'll remember where that is if she needs it.
[03:36] <MrChrisDruif> I thought Lubuntu came with something for settings audio up?
[03:40] <Kufat> MrChrisDruif, if it does, I didn't see it. :)
[03:40]  * MrChrisDruif isn't using Lubuntu <_<"
[03:40] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193; ^
[03:40] <Kufat> (only the very, very basic volume control in the panel)
[03:40] <Unit193> Alsamixer
[03:40] <Kufat> yeah, that's what I installed
[03:41] <Unit193> There by default...
[03:41] <Kufat> maybe I just installed a gui frontend for it, then?
[03:41] <Unit193> You can put a .desktop file for the menu
[03:41] <Kufat> yeah
[03:53] <wxl> um, i think ncurses counts for a gui ;)
[03:53] <Kufat> mhm
[03:55] <Kufat> I've been using linux since the days when I had to manually configure the pnp settings for my ISA expansion cards; the person who's getting this machine hasn't.
[03:55] <shadowkat> ls
[03:55] <shadowkat> wrong frame
[03:56] <wxl> admittedly alsamixer *IS* pretty polished
[04:12] <john32> hmm i can't seem to play a video over a smb:// shre
[04:12] <john32> i tried browsing to ~/.gvfs but that didn't work either
[04:13] <john32> works when i copy the file to my desktop though
[04:13] <Unit193> Yeah, PCmanFM doesn't like that, either try browsing using the client directly, or thunar :P
[04:14] <john32> ah
[04:14] <john32> i should be able to queue them up in gmplayer then
[04:17] <john32> to be honest pcmanfm annoys the hell out of me
[04:17] <john32> with its often crashing
[04:17] <john32> doesn't appear to do any more than thunar either
[04:18] <Unit193> Tabs for one
[05:15] <Kufat> anyway, thanks again, everyone
[13:31] <emiliano_> greetings! salve!
[13:49] <emiliano__> greetings can someone help me?
[13:52] <Tm_T> emiliano__: it would help if you would tell the problem you have (:
[13:53] <emiliano__> Sure! I've trouble with installation of my internal modem :agere system
[13:54] <Tm_T> still no enough context, what is the trouble you're having? what exactly you are doing? what is the hardware?
[14:05] <Cradam> hi, can anyone tell me where the menu used in lubuntu stores its entries?
[14:05] <Cradam> i need to add an entry
[14:06] <emiliano__> ok sorry, so I'm working with fujitsu siemens lifebook c1410, with lubuntu 11.10 (kwin instead of openbox) and I need to use my internal modem 0x11c11040 (from scanmodem by linmodems) I try to install this:http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/11c11040/agrsm-11c11040_20110811_i386.deb   but it don't work even if I noticed that it make a directory /lib/modules/3.0.13 and my system start with 3.0.15... w
[14:06] <emiliano__> hen I use kppp or gnomeppp they don't recognize modem
[14:37] <Tm_T> patiency (:
[15:19] <smile> I'm looking for an LXDE Wiki Admin ^^
[15:22] <smile> What's the screen resolution changer in LXDE? :)
[15:23] <smile> Oh, i've found it :) LXRandr :)
[15:54] <valdur> Hello. I am testing Lubuntu 12.04 dailly builds
[15:55] <valdur> and i found typical non-gnome bug. Sound control is bad
[16:24] <Sillion> hi
[16:25] <Sillion> there is a power management tool in lubuntu what's its name? how to activate once installed?
[16:26] <Sillion> i remember that there is a case to check to minimized the use of the HDD !
[16:36] <phillw> Sillion: it's found by right-clicking the power-icon towards the right hand side of the task bar.
[16:38] <phillw> valdur: LX does not presently have a GUI for sound control. I use the gnome alsa mixer (it doen't drag in the entire gnome library :P ).
[16:45] <Sillion> thx phillw but i do not have any power-icon there
[16:46] <lubiana> Sillion: its the xfce4-power-manager
[16:46] <lubiana> whenn starting it, there will be an applet in the applet area of the taskbar
[16:47] <Sillion> lubiana, do i launch it ina terminal?
[16:47] <lubiana> if not, then you have to run xfce4-power-manager-settings
[16:47] <lubiana> if you launch it in the terminal the terminal will have to stay open
[16:48] <Sillion> yep
[16:48] <lubiana> it should start automatically
[16:48] <Sillion> but i do no t see it in the menu
[16:48] <lubiana> yu can make it always visible with in the settings
[16:48] <lubiana> xfce4-power-manager-settings
[16:48] <Sillion> ok thx i'll try
[16:49] <Sillion> that's it
[16:49] <Sillion> thx
[16:50] <lubiana> no problem
[16:50] <lubiana> have fun with ubuntu!
[16:50] <lubiana> *lubuntu
[16:50] <Sillion> hehe
[16:50] <Sillion> do you know how to configure a multimedia keyboard?
[16:51] <Sillion> ive got some extra keys
[16:51] <Sillion> like play +and- volume buttons, etc
[16:52] <lubiana> unfortunalety no
[16:52] <lubiana> gotty go now anyway
[16:52] <lubiana> bye
[16:52] <smile> bye
[16:52] <smile> :p
[16:53] <Sillion> bye
[16:54] <Sillion> so do I
[17:27] <smile> hi :)
[17:32] <lubiana> smile: hi
[17:32] <smile> :D
[17:33] <Gnostus_> How goes everyones monday?
[17:33] <smile> fine fine ^^
[17:33] <smile> I get a DKMS error with virtualbox :p
[17:33] <Gnostus_> :\ no fun
[17:35] <smile> I'll just wait for 12.04 :)
[17:35] <smile> And perform a fresh install :p
[19:13] <kanliot> hey do you rmember netscape composer? does lubuntu have something like that
[19:13] <smile> kanliot: you can install seamonkey for that :)
[19:13] <kanliot> k i will
[19:14] <kanliot> is seamonkey in the repos?
[19:15] <smile> kanliot: yeah, I think it is (in Ubuntu 11.04 it was :p )
[19:15] <smile> so i think also in Lubuntu 11.10 :)
[19:15] <kanliot> ty smile
[19:15] <smile> yw :)
[19:19] <kanliot> seamonkey works great.  I needed to cut and paste a block of text with hyperlinks from a website.  abiword didn't keep the hyperlins!
[19:20] <smile> kanliot: yeah cool man 8)
[22:40] <Sentynel> hi folks, got an issue with application alerts (blinking taskbar items) not functioning for all software. works fine for some (e.g. xchat) but others (seems to be things using qt) blink the window title bar for a couple of seconds, rather than blinking the tray item indefinitely as expected
[22:41] <Sentynel> is there a setting I'm missing to change this behaviour, or is it a qt issue?
[22:54] <kanliot> i have that problem with the firefox download window  its very very annoying
[22:55] <kanliot> also annoying is that ubuntuforums.org seems to be down due to load
[22:56] <bioterror> you should make bug raport against lxpanel
[22:56] <bioterror> now that you found each other, if another one clicks that it affects him too, it will be confirmed
[22:59] <kanliot> i'm not 100% sure it's lxpanel.  The problem could be firefox
[23:00] <Sentynel> sounds like there's a reasonable chance it's lxpanel at issue here
[23:00] <Sentynel> same symptoms, two completely different pieces of software
[23:01] <Sentynel> does lxde have its own bug tracker or should I use launchpad?
[23:01] <bioterror> launchpad will be fine
[23:19] <kanliot> this is gonna make me look stupid, but anyway
[23:19] <kanliot> are there only 7 bugs in lubuntu?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
[23:20] <Myrtti> that's the metapackage
[23:20] <Myrtti> not the whole distro
[23:20] <Unit193> No, that's lubuntu desktop and not normally the right place to report
[23:21] <kanliot> so, lxpanel bugs would be under lxpanel?
[23:21] <Unit193> Should be, yep
[23:23] <Sentynel> kanliot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/920727
[23:23] <xubuntu160> Hi, for a low pc is better xubuntu or lubuntu?
[23:24] <kanliot> how low?
[23:24] <kanliot> how much RAM
[23:24] <shadowkat> I'd say Lubuntu uses fewer resources than Xubuntu.
[23:24] <shadowkat> ymmv
[23:25] <Sentynel> yeah, lubuntu seems a tad lower to me, and popular opinion seems to agree
[23:25] <shadowkat> Right now, this PC has a total of 512mb of ram and it runs fine as long as I don't have too many browser tabs open. ;-)
[23:25] <xubuntu160> 512
[23:26] <xubuntu160> i't a eeepc
[23:27] <kanliot> yeah, that's pretty low
[23:28] <Sentynel> my dad's office machine is a creaky old desktop with 512MB of RAM running lubuntu with no memory issues
[23:28] <kanliot> also the new  firefox is better on memory than chrome is!
[23:29] <shadowkat> I only find it a problem when browsing with too many tabs.
[23:29] <shadowkat> I ordered 2gb to fill the slots of this old PC.
[23:29] <MrChrisDruif> Afaik is lubuntu less resource hungry
[23:29] <shadowkat> It is.
[23:30] <xubuntu160> ty m8, u are really good :D
[23:30] <xubuntu160> I'm downloading lubuntu
[23:30] <MrChrisDruif> kanliot; do you happen to know if there is an omnibar add-on available for firefox?
[23:30] <shadowkat> I think you'll be happy with it.
[23:30] <Sentynel> kanliot: yikes, how much does chromium use now?
[23:30] <MrChrisDruif> Sentynel; per tab about .. <checks>
[23:30] <kanliot>  whats an omnibar?
[23:31] <shadowkat> I use Midori in place of Chromium because it tends to gobble up memory.
[23:31] <xubuntu160> yes ther'is omibar addon in firefox
[23:31] <Sentynel> firefox is currently accounting for over half of my total memory usage on this system at a relatively modest 210MB, with three tabs open
[23:31] <MrChrisDruif> One bar instead of the default two in firefox
[23:31] <shadowkat> Midori is a bit better than Chromium and Firefox for memory usage.
[23:31] <MrChrisDruif> Combining search and address bar
[23:31] <kanliot> yeah google says there's an omnibar
[23:31] <MrChrisDruif> shadowkat; is it also good with flash for example?
[23:32] <shadowkat> MrChrisDruif: Yes, I have no problems with flash.
[23:33] <shadowkat> There are some pages Midori chokes on, but, for the most part, it's a decent alternative. It's getting better.
[23:33] <MrChrisDruif> It's about 20MiB per tab
[23:33] <shadowkat> It's a whole lot better than Chromium under such limited ram.