[00:30]  * RAOF → Drs appointment
[01:13] <desrt> pitti: good morning
[01:14] <desrt> RAOF: good luck!
[01:25] <RAOF> desrt: Good morning
[01:26] <desrt> RAOF: how was the doctors?
[01:26] <RAOF> Fine.
[01:26] <RAOF> With bonus repeat appointment for a week's time.  Yay!
[01:27] <desrt> i can only assume that you're back in australia :)
[01:29] <RAOF> This is entirely true.
[01:29] <desrt> did they put you up somewhere nice, at least?
[01:30] <RAOF> Not terribly nice in Heathrow; much nicer in Melbourne :)
[01:31] <desrt> ah
[01:31] <desrt> i guess it caused a sort of cascade failure
[01:31] <desrt> can't reboot that many people that quickly...
[01:31] <desrt> *rebook
[01:34] <RAOF> Well, in my case it was because we got into Melbourne only an hour before the last plane to Hobart left.
[01:37] <RAOF> And there was no way for them to know that I'd pass through immigration, get my bag, and go through customs in under 10 minutes.
[01:55] <RAOF> …and there's the second projector.  Sweet.
[02:04] <lifeless> hey, is unity5 meant to be fugly? like my theme has gone awol ...
[02:05] <lifeless> (I have a grey top bar, fonts and widgets are looking very 1990's ...)
[02:05] <lifeless> I figure something is broke, but I can't tell
[02:05] <lifeless> tell what, I mewan.
[02:13] <RAOF> lifeless: Sounds like gnome-settings-daemon has crashed?
[02:14] <lifeless>  ps fux | grep setting
[02:14] <lifeless> robertc   2348  0.0  0.1 383396 11872 ?        Sl   Jan21   0:05  \_ /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon
[02:14] <lifeless> robertc   2363  0.0  0.0 241652  8000 ?        Sl   Jan21   0:00  \_ /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-fallback-mount-helper
[02:14] <lifeless> (no :P)
[02:14] <RAOF> Huh.  That's the normal cause of fuglies.
[02:14] <lifeless> GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_value_get_uint: assertion `G_VALUE_HOLDS_UINT (value)' failed
[02:15] <lifeless> WARN  2012-01-23 15:14:16 unity.launcher LauncherIcon.cpp:413 Unable to load 'user-trash-full' from icon theme:
[02:15] <RAOF> Maybe Unity's not picking up when gsd comes back?
[02:15] <lifeless> WARN  2012-01-23 15:14:16 unity.launcher LauncherIcon.cpp:413 Unable to load 'workspace-switcher' from icon theme:
[02:15] <lifeless> WARN  2012-01-23 15:14:16 unity.launcher LauncherIcon.cpp:413 Unable to load 'folder' from icon theme:
[02:15] <lifeless> WARN  2012-01-23 15:14:16 unity.glib.dbusproxy GLibDBusProxy.cpp:275 Calling method failed: Timeout was reached
[02:15] <lifeless> .xsession-errors has stuff like that
[02:15] <lifeless> this all happened on friday/sat in budapest/
[02:16] <RAOF> Can you try restarting unity (just ‘unity’ on the cmdline will work)
[02:17] <lifeless> 'sorry compiz closed unexpectedlyt
[02:17] <RAOF> Has compiz come back?
[02:17] <lifeless> yes
[02:18] <lifeless> still the fugly
[02:18] <RAOF> So it just crashed on shutdown.  Superb.
[02:19] <RAOF> Do you have “light-themes” installed?
[02:21] <lifeless> ii  light-themes                                          0.1.8.26                                              Light Themes (Ambiance and Radiance)
[02:22] <RAOF> And if you go into System Settings→User Interface and select a different theme, what happens?
[02:23] <lifeless> nothing
[02:23] <lifeless> oh
[02:24] <lifeless> the color of the active window title bar changes
[02:24] <lifeless> and WARN  2012-01-23 15:23:49 glib <unknown>:0 Unable to fetch children: Method "Children" with signature "" on interface "org.ayatana.bamf.view" doesn't exist
[02:24] <lifeless> WARN  2012-01-23 15:23:49 unity.launcher LauncherIcon.cpp:413 Unable to load 'user-trash-full' from icon theme:
[02:24] <lifeless> WARN  2012-01-23 15:23:49 unity.launcher LauncherIcon.cpp:413 Unable to load 'workspace-switcher' from icon theme:
[02:24] <lifeless> WARN  2012-01-23 15:23:49 unity.launcher LauncherIcon.cpp:413 Unable to load 'folder' from icon theme:
[02:24] <lifeless> WARN  2012-01-23 15:24:02 unity.glib.dbusproxy GLibDBusProxy.cpp:275 Calling method failed: Timeout was reached
[02:25] <RAOF> Well, that sounds like Unity's actually picking up the theme change at least.
[02:28]  * RAOF is out of obvious candidates.
[02:29] <lifeless> would you like a baargh ?
[02:36] <RAOF> Not particularly :)
[02:41] <lifeless> sadface'
[02:41] <RAOF> I suggest prodding and probing at DX :)
[02:42] <lifeless> smspillaz: ^ oh hai
[02:54] <smspillaz> all I see is that you want to probe me
[02:54] <smspillaz> I kind of half awake right now
[02:54] <smspillaz> and may have only slept 2.5 hours
[02:54] <smspillaz> and I don't really know anything about unity's dbus stuff
[02:55] <smspillaz> I fix stacking bugs
[03:03] <lifeless> smspillaz: heh. I have no idea wherin the fail exists
[03:03] <lifeless> smspillaz: just know I have the fugly UI
[03:12] <smspillaz> probably gsd crashing
[03:13] <lifeless> you know, thats what I thought at first
[03:13] <lifeless> and RAOF asked the same thing
[03:13] <lifeless> smspillaz: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/01/23/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t02:04
[03:27] <smspillaz> RAOF: oh you had travel fun too ?
[03:28] <RAOF> Yup
[03:34] <smspillaz> RAOF: I find it slightly concerthing that the nvidia driver has a race condition where sometimes
[03:35] <smspillaz> it will return NULL from glXGetProcAddress
[03:35] <RAOF> That, um, sounds rather bad.
[03:36] <RAOF> Only *slightly* concerning?
[03:36] <smspillaz> only slightly
[03:36] <smspillaz> my other concern is greater
[03:36] <smspillaz> namely that when I hit alt-tab, I get a gpu lockup
[03:36] <smspillaz> #thisiswhyiusenouveau
[03:37] <RAOF> I can see why that would be a problem.
[03:38] <smspillaz> ok
[03:38] <smspillaz> back from freedom hating to freetardery
[03:38] <RAOF> Oh, while I'm here, the new Unity doesn't like me alt-tabbing on the second head (sandybridge).  It briefly flashes up some other framebuffer contents.
[03:39] <smspillaz> why are framebuffer objects so broken everywhere I wonder
[03:40] <smspillaz> RAOF: if I remove nvidia, I'll just go back to nouveau right ?
[03:40] <RAOF> That should work, yes.
[03:40] <smspillaz> ok
[03:40] <smspillaz> time for slower shaders
[03:40] <RAOF> The postinst should remove the alternative, which should drop you back to mesa.
[03:41] <smspillaz> ok
[06:01] <pitti> good morning
[06:01] <pitti> desrt: I haven't replied yet; I honestly think we'll just embarass ourselves more with every reply
[06:02] <pitti> desrt: it's not credible for us to claim that we didn't knew this was coming; we did, through multiple sources
[06:03] <pitti> bryce: oh, nice! I don't think it's just "our" interest, though, as lcms1 has quite a few bugs and zero upstream support any more
[06:03] <pitti> bryce: so, nice to hear!
[06:31] <BigWhale> Morning.
[07:00] <BigWhale> What am I doing wrong? Is this a bug in introspection?
[07:00] <BigWhale> http://paste.ubuntu.com/814034/
[07:03] <didrocks> good morning
[07:03] <BigWhale> Hello didrocks.
[07:03] <didrocks> hey BigWhale
[07:09] <TheMuso> pitti: Ok, just confirmed that java-atk-wrapper works as a drop-in replacement for java-access-bridge.
[07:31] <pitti> TheMuso: yay!
[07:33] <didrocks> good morning pitti, how was you week-end?
[07:35] <pitti> hey didrocks, good morning
[07:36] <pitti> didrocks: quite fine, thanks! nothing extraordinary, we went to the mineral museum and some long-needed shopping, otherwise were pretty lazy :)
[07:36] <pitti> didrocks: how was your's?
[07:37] <didrocks> pitti: pretty quiet week-end as well, a lot of walk through Lyon and restaurant/bar with Julie. Apart from that, still catching up on my 7 years of video game backlog (as it was rainy outside) ;)
[07:37] <rickspencer3> hi pitti and didrocks
[07:37] <didrocks> ah, and also, put the broken heater back to the store
[07:37] <didrocks> 3 weeks to get it repaired :/
[07:37] <didrocks> bonjour rickspencer3, how are you?
[07:37] <pitti> they don't give you a new one instead?
[07:38] <pitti> didrocks: video games> that sounds like fun! head2head with Julie?
[07:38] <pitti> bonjour rickspencer3
[07:38] <rickspencer3> bonjour mes amis
[07:39] <didrocks> pitti: no, apparently, it just go back to the manufacturer for repair, then they will decide. For video games, yeah playing with Julie (or sometimes alone, when she is painting)
[07:39] <didrocks> and we made some okonomyaki, first trial :)
[07:39] <didrocks> not looking that bad: http://latolo.didrocks.fr/post/2012/01/22/ce-midi%2C-on-cuisine-jap-%21 :)
[07:41] <pitti> didrocks: ah, never heard about that one; vaguely looks like something we made before, but it was much less sophisticated
[07:41] <didrocks> we regularly had some in traditional japanese restaurants, quite easy to do :)
[07:49] <czajkowski> didrocks: looks rather nice
[07:50] <didrocks> heh thanks czajkowski ;)
[07:50] <ricotz> hello desktopers
[07:51] <didrocks> hey ricotz
[07:51] <didrocks> hum, I'm sure bug #916780 is a dup
[07:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 916780 in compiz "unsnapping a snapped window causes incorrect mouse placement" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/916780
[07:51] <ricotz> didrocks, hi, you still missed one ;) DEB_DH_MAKESHLIBS_ARGS_librhythmbox-core5 += -V
[07:55] <didrocks> ricotz: yeah, I staged the change in the vcs
[07:55] <didrocks> ricotz: would be awesome if you contribute to ubuntu directly rather than duplicating the work :)
[07:58] <ricotz> didrocks, alright, i know
[08:21] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:22] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[08:22] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti. i'm good thanks, how are you?
[08:23] <pitti> chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks! had a nice weekend
[08:24] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson
[08:25] <pitti> we saw "Intouchables" on Friday night in the movies
[08:25] <pitti> really nice one
[08:25] <pitti> didrocks: ^ I think it's from France even :)
[08:27] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, it is :)
[08:43] <agateau> hey pitty, good morning
[08:43] <agateau> I get a 404 when I try to get my action item list from http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/u/agateau.html  , do you know what could be wrong?
[08:51] <pitti> agateau: hm, I'm not sure why; could you please ask cjohnston or james_w about it? I don't have access to status.u.c. any more
[08:54] <agateau> pitti: ok, thanks
[09:03] <seb128> hey
[09:05] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:05] <seb128> hey pitti, how are you?
[09:06] <pitti> seb128: quite fine, thanks! had a nice weekend, some cinema ("Intouchables", great French movie :) ), some shopping, mineral museum, and lots of idling :)
[09:06] <pitti> seb128: how was your's?
[09:06] <didrocks> salut seb128, bon week-end?
[09:07] <seb128> pitti, nice w.e, less "busy" than yours though ;-)
[09:07] <seb128> basically sleeping, some TV, some video gaming, some sport
[09:07] <seb128> lut didrocks, oui, et toi ?
[09:09] <didrocks> seb128: bon week-end, cuisine japonaise, un peu de promenade + resto/bar et beaucoup de jeux vidéo :)
[09:11] <czajkowski> Je vais a Paris le Vendredi
[09:14] <seb128> didrocks, ;-)
[09:14] <seb128> czajkowski, hey, en vacances ?
[09:15] <czajkowski> mon anniversaire ave mon bf
[09:15] <czajkowski> My french is very rusty.
[09:26] <seb128> czajkowski, you just need a bit of practice, Paris is the right place for that ;-)
[09:26] <seb128> hum, monday emails...
[09:27] <czajkowski> seb128: had to do it to leaving cert in Ireland to get into college, well any foreign language. That's a very long long time ago
[09:27] <seb128> d-d-l turned into a troll list again it seems, now lennart give us some "you guys" and blame it on Canonical
[09:33] <pitti> seb128: can we please stop this thread? I feel we just embarass ourselves more with each reply
[09:33] <seb128> pitti, we do people (you included) keep writting "ourselves" :-(
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128!
[09:34] <BigWhale> I might have hit Gtk introspection bug or I am doing something terribly wrong, can someone take a quick look? http://paste.ubuntu.com/814034/
[09:34] <pitti> "ourselves" == "ubuntu developers" in that context
[09:34] <seb128> pitti, I wrote that email as a GNOME contributors, not as Ubuntu,Canonical, and all I ask is for them to keep a public list of platform requirement and announce them at the start of the cycle
[09:34] <seb128> seems that an honest request, not an embarassing one to me :-(
[09:35] <pitti> yes, but the "how do we make this work for us now?" parts are not really helpful for either GNOME nor Ubuntu
[09:35] <seb128> but next time I will write from my gnome.org email with a disclaimer that I write as a GNOME contributor
[09:35] <pitti> the part for officially announcing requirements is fine, of course
[09:35] <seb128> pitti, right, and I said at least 3 times that we never asked for that, it's the redhat guys who are driving the discussion on that road
[09:35] <pitti> there were enough discussions to actually make everyone aware of it, there just was no "stamped" announcement
[09:36] <seb128> pitti, there were discussion only because some people "trolled" it on d-d-l
[09:36] <seb128> without that there would have been no communication out of git logs
[09:36] <seb128> which is the part I'm trying to fix, just make them announce the new requirements
[09:36] <seb128> *shrug* doesn't seem troll worth or a lot to ask
[09:39] <seb128>  
[09:39] <seb128> pitti, btw davidz's udisk email was useful
[09:40] <seb128> it makes me want to maybe update gvfs and nautilus
[09:40] <pitti> yeah, found that as well; haven't looked into recent udisks2 commits, to see what else is missing
[09:40] <seb128> new nautilus has some nice things, including a dbus service for opening the file browser on a directory with a file selected that some applications start using, and a undo,redo feature
[09:41] <didrocks> oh, great :)
[09:41] <pitti> now that udisks2 has a release, I guess we can start packaging this into experimenta
[09:41] <pitti> l
[09:42] <seb128> yeah
[09:42] <seb128> pitti, in fact looking at gvfs, davidz just added a new monitor for udisk2
[09:42] <seb128> so we can probably update gvfs without issue
[09:43] <pitti> right, the old gdu one should continue to exist
[09:43] <seb128> pitti, do you want to have a look to the new gvfs as well when you look at packaging udisk2?
[09:43] <pitti> sure
[09:43] <seb128> thanks
[09:44] <pitti> doing patch piloting this morning, but added to my TODO
[09:44] <seb128> pitti, danke, and happy piloting ;-)
[09:44]  * pitti goes into Kamikaze mode
[09:49] <seb128> jbicha, hey, thanks for the webkit build fix
[09:49] <pitti> jbicha: hey Jeremy, how are you?
[09:49] <jbicha> I was running nautilus 3.3.3; 3.3.4 reuired a bit more refactoring for our desktop menu patch
[09:49] <jbicha> good morning
[09:54] <seb128> jbicha, oh ok, well still it might be worth the work
[09:54] <seb128> but I will probably wait GNOME feature freeze to have a clear idea of the state and depends
[09:54] <seb128> jbicha, do you run the new webkit?
[09:55] <pitti> jbicha: do you still plan to do an upload for disabling the startup sound soon, or want me to reassign that work item to someone else?
[09:56] <jbicha> pitti: I did that before Christmas
[09:58] <pitti> jbicha: oh, thanks! setting to DONE then
[09:59] <seb128> pitti, did you see my webkit question? ;-)
[09:59] <pitti> jbicha: so that wasn't in libcanberra then
[10:00] <jbicha> pitti: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcanberra/0.28-3ubuntu1
[10:00] <pitti> seb128: the "do you run..." to jbicha?
[10:00] <pitti> jbicha: ah, thanks
[10:00] <seb128> pitti, ups, sorry, it was a question for jbicha
[10:00] <seb128> jbicha, ^ ;-)
[10:01] <jbicha> seb128: yes I'm running webkit as of this weekend, I confirm that software-center doesn't like it
[10:02] <seb128> jbicha, ok thanks
[10:02] <seb128> jbicha, did you test on other softwares, find other issues?
[10:04] <jbicha> not yet, we should test it with ubiquity though
[10:04] <seb128> right
[10:38] <kamstrup> seb128: It appears that the new nux packages dep on glew1.6?
[10:38]  * kamstrup be toast
[10:38] <seb128> kamstrup, yeah, we switched to glew1.6
[10:39] <seb128> kamstrup, the intel issues we were having are fixed somewhat, we did testing in a ppa to see the current situation and update the bug
[10:39] <seb128> kamstrup, turned out that it works fine in precise so we switched, no complain in a week seems good ;-)
[10:40] <seb128> kamstrup, I'm inclined to think that your issue was because you managed to mix 1.5 and 1.6 abis in your build
[10:40] <kamstrup> seb128: ok... let's see :-)
[10:41] <kamstrup> mhr3: perfect, thanks
[10:42] <BigWhale> I've been told that this is a bug that needs to be fixed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/814034/ can someone confirm?
[10:42] <BigWhale> acknowledge
[10:42] <BigWhale> before I file a bug report
[10:43] <seb128> pitti, ^ seems for you
[10:44] <BigWhale> Gtk introspection is apparently missing something
[10:46] <pitti> BigWhale: it's cairo introspection missing something, yes
[10:46] <BigWhale> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44336
[10:46] <pitti> cairo is quite hard to introspect
[10:46] <BigWhale> also related to this
[10:46] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 44336 in general "missing support for cairo_region_t" [Normal,New: ]
[10:47] <pitti> might be better to use python-cairo for now
[10:48] <BigWhale> so import cairo instead of from gi.repository ...
[10:48] <pitti> *nod*
[10:50] <kamstrup> seb128: I see both glew 1.5 and 1.6 in the rdepends of libnux-2.0-0. Is that expected?
[10:50] <seb128> kamstrup, rdepends?
[10:50] <kamstrup> or the converse I mean
[10:50] <seb128> kamstrup, you mean glew depends on nux?
[10:50] <kamstrup> in the rdeps of glew1.{5,6}
[10:51] <seb128> kamstrup, if you have different apt sources, i.e oneiric and precise, yes
[10:51] <seb128> kamstrup, or if you dpkg status still has infos about the old version
[10:51] <seb128> kamstrup, the current precise packages only use 1.6
[10:51] <kamstrup> seb128: I meant "apt-cache rdepends libglew1.5 | grep nux-2.0" sorry :-)
[10:51] <kamstrup> k
[10:51] <kamstrup> let me double check my sources lists
[10:52] <seb128> kamstrup, you better apt-cache show libnux-2.0-0 | grep glew"
[10:52] <seb128> kamstrup, or | less and look into what version depends on what
[10:53] <kscloud> Hey, I've found a bug in Update-notifier/manager, but launchpad won't let me report it
[10:54] <kamstrup> ah, it's all precise, but I have an old nux version from a ppa in the cache it seems
[10:54] <kscloud> Where should I take it to?
[10:56] <seb128> kscloud, hi, can you define "won't let you report it"?
[10:56] <seb128> what is it doing?
[10:57] <kscloud> seb128: The option in Launchpad is greyed out. says LP needs to know where to report a bug for both update-manager and notifier
[10:57] <seb128> kscloud, do you use Ubuntu?
[10:57] <kscloud> seb128: Yes, I do.
[10:58] <seb128> kscloud, use "ubuntu-bug update-manager" then
[10:59] <kscloud> seb128: Thank you
[11:00] <seb128> kscloud, you're welcome
[11:11] <BigWhale> pitti, out of curiosity ... is it possible that pycairo is missing surfaces too?
[11:11] <pitti> BigWhale: could be
[11:11] <pitti> I don't know either, I'm afraid
[11:12] <BigWhale> if this is the correct reference documentation, then there is none http://cairographics.org/documentation/pycairo/3/reference/index.html
[11:13] <BigWhale> and dir(cairo) doesn't say anything about regions :/
[11:14] <BigWhale> I'm stuck in a nightmare!
[11:30] <ricotz> pitti, hello
[11:30] <pitti> jbicha: do you want to take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~tkluck/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-shell/fix-bluetooth-device-switch/+merge/89040 ?
[11:30] <pitti> hey ricotz, wie gehts?
[11:31] <ricotz> pitti, do you know if bumping libgnome-keyring to compat 9 is a typo while the changelog says 8
[11:31] <ricotz> pitti, mir geht's gut :), ich hoffe dir auch
[11:32] <pitti> ricotz: right, seems it's a typo in the old changelog
[11:32] <pitti> the package is multi-archified, so it does need 9
[11:33] <ricotz> oh, i thought 8 was enough for multiarch?
[11:33] <ricotz> i only noticed the hardening rules are needing 9
[11:33] <pitti> no, 9 introduced that
[11:33] <ricotz> alright
[11:33] <pitti> http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation#dh.281.29_and_autotools
[11:33] <tjaalton> 9 is finalized, btw
[11:34] <jbicha> pitti: sure, that's fine, maybe we should go with gshell 3.2.2 now too? or wait for it to be packaged in Debian?
[11:34] <ricotz> Pici, this mean the libdir flag is obsolete there too now?
[11:34] <jbicha> pitti: I don't have bluetooth on my normal computer
[11:35] <pitti> jbicha: I guess 3.2.2 should go into Debian either way
[11:35] <pitti> ricotz: oh, how? does debhelper now default to this? I wasn't aware of this
[11:35] <ricotz> pitti, i am not sure but i think it does
[11:36] <ricotz> jbicha, hello
[12:09] <nessita> hello all!
[12:09] <pitti> hey nessita
[12:11] <nessita> quick question: last Friday I had keyboard issues (dead keys are not " working" as dead), and I was suggested to upgrade unity-greeter. I did the update, and I assumed I would be able to choose the proper keyboard layout from there, but I can' t see a layout option... any ideas?
[12:12] <seb128> nessita, hey, with the update you should be back to what you had before the buggy version
[12:13] <nessita> seb128: so, under keyboard layout in system settings, I have a "english international (with dead keys)", but that' s not working: the dead keys are alive! :-) 'a'e'i
[12:14] <seb128> nessita, no idea then
[12:14] <seb128> I don't know a lot about keyboards
[12:14] <seb128> nothing changed recently though, it should work as it was working on Oneiric
[12:14] <pitti> nessita: what's the output of: xprop -root _XKB_RULES_NAMES
[12:14] <pitti> I'm off to lunch now, happy to debug in a bit
[12:15] <nessita> pitti: ack! thanks
[12:17] <pitti> nessita: still here for a bit
[12:22] <nessita> ok, I deleted the keyboard preference, added again, relogin, and is working now!
[13:31] <nessita> has anyone reported any issue with dbus services in precise, with updates since last Friday?
[13:36] <seb128> nessita, what sort if issue? nothing reported no
[13:37] <nessita> seb128: is hard to explain, what I'm seeing is that the ubuntuone control panel is not being able to talk to sso thru dbus. And we did not land any related code...
[13:37] <seb128> weird, dbus or similar didn't change since oneiric
[13:37] <nessita> seb128: and the same packages that we build from trunk, which are delivered to us via PPA, are working on O but not in P
[13:41] <nessita> seb128: I will keep debugging then...
[13:44] <dobey> seb128, nessita: python-dbus has changed
[13:45] <nessita> dobey: lovely (not). Any idea what changed? control panel can no longer retrieve credentials from sso :-/
[13:45] <nessita> on P, that is
[13:45] <dobey> nessita: no idea, but i saw an update for it the other day
[13:45] <desrt> pitti: that's not why i poked you
[13:46] <nessita> dobey: the other day would be a couple of days ago or more? because on Friday it was still working for me
[13:46] <dobey> nessita: the last upload was 6 days ago. but maybe you didn't get the update installed until after that?
[13:47] <nessita> dobey: I should be able to tell by looking at the apt log, right?
[13:47] <dobey> nessita: yes. and you can install the old version to test, as well
[13:47] <dobey> nessita: if python-dbus is the problem, you probably want to talk to barry
[13:48] <nessita> dobey: confirmed I updated python-dbus on Friday
[13:48] <nessita> dobey: can you please confirm control panel is not working on P? it will not pass thru the first screen, you will get "credentials error"
[13:49] <dobey> let me make sure i'm up to date
[13:49] <dobey> because it worked for me this morning
[13:50] <nessita> dobey: thanks
[13:51] <dobey> it's working for me. shows my total storage and everything
[13:51] <dobey> so perhaps not python-dbus :)
[13:51] <nessita> dobey: you have the latest python-dbus?
[13:52] <dobey> yes
[13:52] <nessita> dobey: you using amd64?
[13:52] <dobey> i'm using i386 build
[13:58] <desrt> seb128: so interesting question
[13:58] <desrt> seb128: if there is libfoo1 and we have soname bump
[13:58] <nessita> dobey: installed 0.84.0-2ubuntu2 (amd64), rebooted, and control panel is working for me
[13:58] <desrt> what causes the upgrade to libfoo2 to happen?
[13:58] <seb128> desrt, hey
[13:58] <seb128> desrt, things depending on the new version
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> lots of rebuilds ;)
[13:58] <desrt> the -dev package on the pbuilder upgrades, pulling the new soname package, and then sodepends pulls it in for everyone else on the distupgrade?
[13:59] <seb128> desrt, no point updating a not-used-lib
[13:59] <nessita> dobey: you rebooted after python-dbus update?
[13:59] <seb128> desrt, no, usually we just transition stuff to the new version by doing rebuilds
[13:59] <desrt> seb128: right.  that's what i mean
[13:59] <desrt> in that case it would be perfectly possible for the soname to actually decrease, i assume
[14:00] <seb128> yes
[14:00] <desrt> cool.  jbicha was asking.
[14:00] <seb128> numbers don't matter, as long as they are different
[14:00] <desrt> that's what i told him :)
[14:00] <seb128> what project went backward in numbers?
[14:01] <desrt> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45062
[14:01] <desrt> spice-gtk
[14:01] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 45062 in gtk-client "spice-gtk 0.8 breaks soname version numbering by using lower version number" [Critical,Reopened: ]
[14:01] <seb128> k
[14:01] <dobey> nessita: i don't know. last reboot was sometime friday
[14:02] <nessita> dobey: would you be willing to try a reboot? I would like to know if it's an arch-related thing before pinging barry
[14:02] <dobey> nessita: sure
[14:06] <dobey> nessita: still works for me
[14:07] <nessita> dobey: thanks
[14:32] <dobey> seb128, pitti: hey, i want to change the source package for the u1 rhythmbox plug-in. best way to do that is a needspackaging bug for the new source? or something else?
[14:32] <seb128> dobey, you mean you want to rename it or...?
[14:33] <pitti> dobey: can't we keep the source package name, and just update it to a new upstream versin?
[14:33] <dobey> seb128: yes. i've renamed the upstream project
[14:34] <seb128> dobey, just open a bug on the old name requesting sponsoring for the new version I guess
[14:36] <dobey> seb128: hmm, ok
[14:40] <jbicha> seb128: ubiquity seems to work fine here with new webkit; I booted today's live CD, added the desktop PPA, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and then ran the install
[14:40] <seb128> jbicha, great, thanks
[14:40] <seb128> jbicha, did you try banshee btw?
[14:41] <seb128> seems it's only s-c so far
[14:42] <dobey> hyperair: hi. are you working on a banshee 2.3.4 upload btw?
[14:50] <hyperair> dobey: ah, crap, i forgot to merge it.
[14:50] <hyperair> dobey: i'll work on it
[14:50] <cyphermox> didrocks: how would you start a unity-2d session if that option doesn't show in lightdm?
[14:51] <cyphermox> (or how can I make it show up in lightdm -- unity-2d is installed)
[14:51] <didrocks> cyphermox: do you have the session installed as well?
[14:51] <cyphermox> unity-2d-session?
[14:51] <didrocks> yeah
[14:51] <cyphermox> I don't see that package in the list, hold on
[14:52] <didrocks> cyphermox: ls /usr/share/xsessions/ubuntu-2d.desktop
[14:52] <cyphermox> yeah
[14:52] <dobey> hyperair: can you please disable building the u1ms extension and drop the binary package for it as well? we've started the transition to gtk3, which means dropping the mono bindings, so it won't build with the new libubuntuone :-/
[14:52] <cyphermox> shouldn't I be seeing a gear icon in lightdm though ?
[14:52] <didrocks> should be in gnome-session, same for /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu-2d.session
[14:52] <cyphermox> interesting
[14:53] <didrocks> cyphermox: you should see them then, if you don't have, I would say it's a unity-greeter issue, maybe look at the logs?
[14:53] <dobey> cyphermox: i noticed it not appearing for me over the weekend, and when i switched to guest and back, it appeared
[14:53] <jbicha> seb128: banshee didn't crash for me but I don't use the app too much
[14:53] <cyphermox> didrocks: see, I reinstalled lucid on a desktop system I have here, then proceeded with an upgrade test to precise
[14:53] <jbicha> the online media section seems to load ok
[14:53] <didrocks> cyphermox: upgrade shouldn't impact that
[14:53] <dobey> jbicha: try browsing through the amazon store and downloading a free song or something
[14:53] <cyphermox> didrocks: thing is, while upgrading I lost metacity completely (no window decorations anymore) and now after, unity doesn't start its panel or launcher, all I get is the desktop
[14:54] <didrocks> cyphermox: hum, what does you .xsession-errors say?
[14:54] <cyphermox> didrocks: actually, I wonder if it might not have been because the binary changed under its feet, but it also could have been a n unrelated bug
[14:54] <didrocks> cyphermox: I already tested an upgrade from lucid there, successfully :)
[14:54] <seb128> didrocks, cyphermox: bug #918657
[14:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 918657 in unity-greeter "unity-greeter_0.2.0-0ubuntu2 breaks desktop-selector" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/918657
[14:54] <seb128> blame mterry ;-)
[14:54] <didrocks> ah :)
[14:55] <mterry> more problems!
[14:55] <cyphermox> didrocks: all I get that seems related is:  WARNING:root:timeout reached, exiting
[14:55]  * pitti gives mterry a big hug
[14:55] <seb128> mterry, hey, happy new week :p
[14:55] <mterry> :)
[14:55] <didrocks> hey mterry :)
[14:56] <jbicha> dobey: yes, downloading a free song from Amazon's MP3 store works
[14:56] <seb128> jbicha, thanks
[14:57] <seb128> so we are down to basically s-c, is there any other python-webkit user we can easily test?
[14:59] <pitti> gwibber?
[14:59]  * kenvandine hides :)
[14:59] <kenvandine> good morning pitti!
[15:00] <pitti> it's a Ken!
[15:00] <pitti> kenvandine: good morning, how are you? had a nice weekend?
[15:00] <kenvandine> sorry, had to get a battery in my car this morning... woke up to a dead car :/
[15:00] <kenvandine> yeah, and you?
[15:00] <seb128> hey kenvandine
[15:00] <pitti> kenvandine: quite fine, thanks!
[15:01] <kenvandine> awesome weekend actually, my son's pinewood derby car did great :)
[15:01]  * kenvandine is a proud dad :)
[15:01] <pitti> that sounds exciting!
[15:01] <kenvandine> it was a blast
[15:01] <pitti> kenvandine: FYI: gir1.2-gnomekeyring-1.0 |    3.2.2-2 |       precise | amd64, armel, armhf, i386, powerpc
[15:01] <kenvandine> woot!
[15:01]  * kenvandine does a dance
[15:01] <pitti> kenvandine: please let me know if you have trouble with it
[15:01] <kenvandine> has dobey looked at it?
[15:01] <kenvandine> if not, i'll take a dive into it today
[15:01] <pitti> well, it's for you, not for dobey?
[15:02] <pitti> I thought you want it for gwibber?
[15:02] <kenvandine> well, dobey started the port to gi
[15:02] <kenvandine> i do
[15:02] <kenvandine> he started hacking on gwibber :)
[15:02] <kenvandine> wanting to help get rid of webkit-gtk2
[15:02] <dobey> i didn't look at keyring yet
[15:02] <pitti> dobey: ^ before you know it you'll maintain that beast
[15:02] <seb128> kenvandine, you use webkit in gwibber still right?
[15:02] <kenvandine> dobey, plan to? or should i?
[15:02] <jbicha> seb128: I added my twitter account and posted so that looks fine
[15:02] <kenvandine> seb128, hopefully not for long :)
[15:02] <pitti> dobey: err, I meant to say: "Thanks!"
[15:03] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, well in any case webkit 1.7.4 is in the ubuntu-desktop ppa if you want to give it a round of testing
[15:03] <dobey> kenvandine: i can. i need to bug you about gwibber, but maybe keyring was in fact the issuse. :)
[15:03] <kenvandine> seb128, sure
[15:03] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[15:03] <kenvandine> dobey, great... let me know how it goes
[15:03] <seb128> kenvandine, we aware that s-c doesn't like it and segfault with it
[15:04] <seb128> kenvandine, that's the only "known issue"
[15:04] <kenvandine> dobey, i looked at your branch, looked like it was coming along well
[15:04] <kenvandine> seb128, ok
[15:04] <dobey> kenvandine: yeah, was hitting some crashiness, but it might have been keyring causing it :)
[15:05] <kenvandine> brb. reboot
[15:45]  * mterry is still getting used to new bug list look
[15:46] <seb128> there are much harder to read that the old ones
[15:46] <seb128> especially to see the status
[16:25] <pitti> yeah, a lot less fits on the page now
[16:26] <seb128> pitti, it's also that the rectangles are less easy to read and the colors don't mean a lot
[16:27] <seb128> where a column with the status was easier to parse before
[16:28]  * didrocks +1, let's see how we can get used to that
[16:29] <seb128> well on the good side I like the columns sorting ;-)
[16:45] <seb128> jbicha, thanks for the webkit call for testing
[16:55] <hallyn> hm, when unity crashes, it doesn't leave a /var/crash/
[16:57] <didrocks> hallyn: you should check for "compiz"
[16:57] <hallyn> you mean in /var/crash?
[16:57] <didrocks> hallyn: unity is a compiz plugin, the process crashing then is compiz :)
[16:57] <didrocks> yeah
[16:57] <hallyn> there was nothing in /var/crash from today at all
[16:58] <hallyn> but, compiz is a new task since the crash (so compiz did go away and restart)
[16:59] <hallyn> if it had done it a bit faster, and had restored windows to their original desktops, i might not have notniced :)
[16:59] <didrocks> hallyn: do you have an older compiz file in the directory?
[16:59] <hallyn> no compiz file in /var/crash at all
[16:59] <didrocks> hallyn: we just keep the first crash in /var/crash, so if you have an older crash that you never reported, you won't get the new crashes there
[16:59] <didrocks> weird
[17:00] <hallyn> hm,but come to think of it there may have been a crashfile for weather indicator (which i deleted) - could that hae cuased compiz to exit?
[17:01] <didrocks> it shouldn't as it's just a dbus protocol, but maybe it triggered some untested code path
[17:04] <dpm> pitti, I've just noticed we haven't had any precise langpack updates since the 4th of Jan, and I see that they are disabled in the cron job. Is it ok to enable them now?
[17:17] <pitti> dpm: ah, please do; we did that for alpha-1, I believe
[17:18] <dpm> pitti, ok, cool, let me do this now. The oneiric langpack updates were also released, so I guess I can reenable them too
[17:18] <pitti> yes
[17:50] <pitti> kenvandine: did you hear other reports like bug 917460? Could you have a look? beuno is on IRC quite often for debugging, etc.
[17:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 917460 in empathy "empathy using constantly 100% of the CPU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/917460
[17:51] <kenvandine> pitti, i haven't
[17:52] <pitti> kenvandine: I asked for an strace for now
[17:52] <pitti> kenvandine: there might also be a log which shows what's happening? I haven't done empathy debugging so far
[17:56]  * didrocks waves good evening
[17:56] <didrocks> time for port there :)
[17:56] <didrocks> sport*
[17:58] <pitti> good night everyone!
[18:09] <BigWhale> Greetings.
[18:10] <kenvandine> hey BigWhale
[18:11] <BigWhale> hey ken!
[18:11] <BigWhale> how's the car? :>
[18:14] <kenvandine> better... still needs an oil change and new brakes :)
[18:29] <BigWhale> kenvandine, O ;et ,one in the show
[18:29] <BigWhale> err.. I left mine at the shop
[18:30]  * kenvandine is doing it himself :)
[18:36] <BigWhale> kenvandine, awesome ... brakes I used to do, but oil change is something that is too messy for me :>
[18:58] <nessita> Coincidentaly
[18:58] <nessita> oops, sorry! bad windows :-)
[22:36] <Formatt> In Linux, where is a good place to put a file like  registrymodifications.xcu to configure an extension system wide? - Where can a sitewide registry be located?
[22:37] <Formatt> I'm asking this for a friend - don't know exactly he wants