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| dholbach | good morning | 07:54 |
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| dholbach | Laney, tumbleweed: if you still want to do the other session about "working in debian", could you please go and grab a slot soonish? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable - HUGS :) | 08:00 |
| bkerensa | dholbach: Would be cool if Ubuntu Developer Week was a physical event... I surely could benefit from a week of development sessions :D | 08:06 |
| dholbach | haha, yes, that'd be nice | 08:07 |
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| Laney | dholbach: yeah, sure | 10:11 |
| Laney | sorry that it's harder work for you this time around :( | 10:11 |
| dholbach | Laney, it's fine - I just want the schedule to be sorted out RSN, so I can still get in touch with some other Linux sites, so we get more participants this time - that's why I urge everyone a bit more than usual :) | 10:13 |
| * Laney goes cross-eyed looking at wiki markup | 10:13 | |
| dholbach | Laney, I can help you with that if you tell me title and time :) | 10:13 |
| Laney | got it | 10:13 |
| dholbach | ok great | 10:13 |
| dholbach | :) | 10:13 |
| * dholbach hugs Laney and tumbleweed | 10:14 | |
| dholbach | thanks a bunch | 10:14 |
| bkerensa | =o | 10:15 |
| * tumbleweed supposes he should take on an extra session or two | 10:47 | |
| tumbleweed | dholbach: what were you thinking about for the pbuilder / sbuild session? advanced usage & hooks | 11:07 |
| dholbach | maybe, yeah - maybe even some quick introduction about what the tools are, why they're useful, pros of each and how to generally use them | 11:08 |
| dholbach | I'd leave it up to you :) | 11:08 |
| tumbleweed | you do cover the basics in the intro, though? | 11:09 |
| dholbach | tumbleweed, I'm not quite sure how much time I'll have - I'll sure mention it and ask folks to setup a pbuilder in the getting set up session - in the past I almost never had the time for them to actually build a package | 11:11 |
| dholbach | but 2h in one sitting is probably as much as you can type non-stop :) | 11:11 |
| tumbleweed | and there I thought you were copying-and-pasting :P | 11:11 |
| dholbach | I did that the last time around and it helped a lot | 11:12 |
| tumbleweed | well, I asked around here, and people thought that was the most useful from your list of suggestions, so I'll snag a 30min slot for it | 11:12 |
| dholbach | but sometimes you can guess by the questions that you need to expand on a thought, etc | 11:12 |
| * dholbach hugs tumbleweed | 11:12 | |
| dholbach | beers are on me next time we meet :) | 11:12 |
| dholbach | oh and my friend showed me pictures of his trip trip Cape town yesterday - it was beautiful | 11:13 |
| highvoltage | it still is :p | 11:13 |
| dholbach | a shame he didn't read my mail in time to come to your LUG meeting | 11:13 |
| tumbleweed | unfortunatly rather hot recently | 11:13 |
| dholbach | highvoltage, ok, I meant the pics were beautiful :-P | 11:13 |
| * highvoltage just wanted to chime in :) | 11:14 | |
| dholbach | highvoltage, hey, you could chime in with a session you're giving! :-) | 11:14 |
| dholbach | highvoltage, how about a 30m demo of Edubuntu and what's cooking there? :) | 11:15 |
| highvoltage | dholbach: tumbleweed has already been putting some pressure on me to do that. I guess I might just do that! | 11:15 |
| tumbleweed | heh | 11:16 |
| highvoltage | (and just last night I decided to say 'no' to more things) | 11:16 |
| tumbleweed | dholbach: I can probably extend the pbuilder session to an hour if the schedule stays empty (going into sbuild if I run out of material) | 11:17 |
| dholbach | highvoltage, sorry, I didn't mean to browbeat you into something | 11:18 |
| dholbach | highvoltage, maybe some of your Edubuntu friends would be interested? | 11:18 |
| highvoltage | dholbach: nah, not at all. I fullheartedly want to | 11:19 |
| * dholbach hugs highvoltage | 11:19 | |
| highvoltage | *hugs* | 11:19 |
| highvoltage | I just need to find ways to be more time-efficient (it's hard) | 11:19 |
| dholbach | THAT's a session we should have at UDW :) | 11:20 |
| dholbach | or two | 11:20 |
| tumbleweed | highvoltage: I need a session on how to actually get a thesis done when there is so much fun OSS stuff to do | 11:21 |
| highvoltage | yeah I bought a bunch of e-books on time management and how tobe more efficient when doing creative kind of work. but I haven't had the time to read them yet :) | 11:22 |
| tumbleweed | :) | 11:22 |
| highvoltage | tumbleweed: ah I thought you were very near to the end | 11:22 |
| tumbleweed | time wise, that doesn't mean progress-wise | 11:22 |
| Laney | th...e...sis? | 11:22 |
| tumbleweed | the.... ooh, look, bugs! | 11:23 |
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| dholbach | Laney, nice work on LP! | 12:44 |
| Laney | :-) | 12:44 |
| Laney | was quite fun actually | 12:45 |
| Laney | and to think it was all to make nigelb proud! | 12:45 |
| dholbach | Laney, I guess there won't be a way to fix historic data, right? | 12:46 |
| Laney | sadly not, as it wasn't stored anywhere | 12:46 |
| dholbach | I thought so | 12:46 |
| dholbach | but at least it's fixed from now on :) | 12:47 |
| Laney | unless you want to trawl through bugs and do it manually :P | 12:47 |
| dholbach | or well, when it landed | 12:47 |
| dholbach | yeah, I great way to spend a lazy sunday afternoon | 12:47 |
| dholbach | or 1500 lazy sunday afternoons | 12:47 |
| Laney | heh | 12:47 |
| dholbach | :) | 12:47 |
| Laney | different definitions of 'great' possibly … | 12:48 |
| dholbach | I guess it depends on how great your other lazy sunday afternoons are :) | 12:48 |
| Laney | sunday afternoon is the afternoon for making soup | 12:48 |
| nigelb | Laney: lol | 13:20 |
| Laney | nigelb: do you know how often production is upgraded? | 13:35 |
| nigelb | Laney: No, but this will help figuring out http://lpqateam.canonical.com/qa-reports/deployment-stable.html | 13:36 |
| Laney | yeah I know that. It tells me what but not *when* | 13:36 |
| nigelb | right now, nothing's blocking deployment | 13:36 |
| nigelb | So, soon. | 13:36 |
| Laney | like I don't know if it's a once a month thing or whatever | 13:37 |
| Laney | dev.lp is hiding the goods somewhere, but I can't find out where | 13:37 |
| Laney | ah well /me carries on being impatient ... | 13:37 |
| nigelb | Laney: Its not once a month. | 13:38 |
| nigelb | its several times a week. | 13:38 |
| Laney | sweet | 13:38 |
| Laney | 14700 was friday | 13:40 |
| nigelb | When did everything get QA'd? | 13:41 |
| nigelb | (I'm guessing some time today) | 13:42 |
| Laney | dunno | 13:42 |
| Laney | I don't mind waiting, was just wondering how frequent it is | 13:42 |
| nigelb | Laney: except for db patches, which you have wait since there's only one window at a time, everything eelse is fairly fast after qa-ok. | 13:47 |
| nigelb | the only trouble is, all revisions in the stack before yours need to be qa-ok as well. | 13:47 |
| Laney | righto | 13:47 |
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| l3on | hey guys | 14:17 |
| l3on | I have this unmetdep: | 14:17 |
| l3on | Package: live-config-sysvinit | 14:17 |
| l3on | Version: 3.0~a22-1ubuntu1 | 14:17 |
| l3on | Missing: sysvinit (>= 2.86) | 14:17 |
| l3on | the problem is in ubuntu sysvinit does not exist, but we have: | 14:17 |
| l3on | Binary: sysvinit-utils, sysv-rc, initscripts | 14:17 |
| l3on | I'm going to change that, which package do you suggest ? | 14:17 |
| l3on | I think initscripts should be fine, 'cause depends on the others two | 14:18 |
| tumbleweed | seeing as Ubuntu uses upstart, why do we need that binary package? | 14:19 |
| l3on | maybe someone would use sysvinit ? | 14:20 |
| tumbleweed | if we don't have sysvinit, how could they? :) | 14:20 |
| l3on | but we have : sysvinit-utils, sysv-rc, initscripts | 14:21 |
| l3on | that come from sysvinit source | 14:21 |
| Laney | we don't have sysvinit itself | 14:21 |
| l3on | yes now I see | 14:22 |
| l3on | ok.. so, drop that package ? | 14:22 |
| l3on | I mean → Package: live-config-sysvinit | 14:22 |
| tumbleweed | or just leave it as uninstallable (but we are already patching it, so might as well dropit) | 14:22 |
| * l3on tries to drop it | 14:24 | |
| tumbleweed | we could use a better document for referring people to when they ask "what can I do for Ubuntu" (/me tries to avoid writing it) | 14:30 |
| valterstr | :D | 14:30 |
| valterstr | about me? | 14:30 |
| tumbleweed | in general, but yes | 14:30 |
| valterstr | so... the question, what can I start with? | 14:31 |
| valterstr | bug tracker? | 14:31 |
| tumbleweed | my usual suggestion is to pick a relatively obscure and un-cared-for package that you use, and tidy it up | 14:32 |
| valterstr | will look into that... | 14:32 |
| tumbleweed | (by tidy it up, I mean look through the bugtracker, see if we have applied patches that haven't been forwarded upstream, etc) | 14:33 |
| valterstr | i understand | 14:33 |
| valterstr | so, in general, look for older bugs that have fixes that have not been merged? | 14:33 |
| valterstr | launchpad changed bug page interface recently? | 14:34 |
| tumbleweed | review operation cleansweep patches? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperationCleansweep | 14:34 |
| tumbleweed | yes | 14:34 |
| l3on | since I'm going to propose a merge for live-config, someone would take a look to this ? bug 913874 | 14:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 913874 in live-config (Ubuntu) "live-config script is broken in ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/913874 | 14:34 |
| tumbleweed | valterstr: you can pretty much ask any questions in here and should get help (sometimes after several hours, if it's quiet) | 14:35 |
| valterstr | ok. | 14:35 |
| valterstr | thanks. | 14:35 |
| valterstr | I will start looking through the bug tracker then. | 14:35 |
| tumbleweed | harvest.ubuntu.com also aggregates things that should be looked at | 14:36 |
| valterstr | also, the "pushing upstream through sponsor" thing. could you please explain it in more detail? | 14:36 |
| tumbleweed | !sponsorship | 14:36 |
| tumbleweed | err, maybe not | 14:36 |
| tumbleweed | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess | 14:36 |
| valterstr | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation/SeekingSponsorship | 14:37 |
| valterstr | but do I do it like that for the changes I do or is there another process I should do? | 14:37 |
| tumbleweed | valterstr: that process works | 14:40 |
| valterstr | ok | 14:40 |
| valterstr | tumbleweed: big thanks for the help | 14:40 |
| Laney | nigelb: oh, r14713 (Get the code!) | 14:52 |
| Laney | !!! | 14:52 |
| nigelb | \m/ | 14:52 |
| nigelb | omgomgomg | 14:52 |
| Laney | ssssssssssssswwwwwwweeeeeeeeettttttttt | 14:53 |
| tumbleweed | hah | 14:53 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: will you sort out lp-udd.py ? | 14:54 |
| Laney | yus | 14:54 |
| Laney | sponsor something so i can test it :P | 14:54 |
| nigelb | Laney's all charged up today. He can do *anything* you ask him to do. | 14:54 |
| Laney | gotta submit this paper review | 14:54 |
| * tumbleweed looks for a nice gnarly lp bug | 14:54 | |
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| Laney | or ELSE | 14:54 |
| Laney | tumbleweed: nah, next fix should be ui for this | 15:00 |
| tumbleweed | yes, that'd be nice | 15:01 |
| Laney | and not too hard | 15:02 |
| Laney | want to do the python-markdown sync? could be ok but you'd know better | 15:03 |
| * tumbleweed looks | 15:03 | |
| tumbleweed | probably safe, I'll do it | 15:04 |
| Laney | sweet | 15:04 |
| tumbleweed | can't be synced yte. importer is out of date | 15:06 |
| Laney | bah | 15:07 |
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| === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away | ||
| l3on | hey guys... looking at bug 783568 mdeslaur suggests me to use a different notation for the version.. but I'm not clear a thing about oneiric ... also it need a ubuntu1.11.10.1 version ? | 15:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 783568 in gdevilspie (Ubuntu Oneiric) "missing dependency" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/783568 | 15:52 |
| l3on | sorry, ubuntu0.11.10.1 ? | 15:52 |
| micahg | l3on: yes | 15:57 |
| l3on_ | mmm... | 16:02 |
| l3on_ | I mean, in oneiric should be ubuntu1 .. no ? | 16:02 |
| l3on_ | considering precise has a new version of gdevilspie | 16:02 |
| micahg | l3on_: no | 16:03 |
| micahg | ubuntu1 should only be used in the devel release | 16:04 |
| l3on_ | ah ok :) thanks micahg | 16:05 |
| l3on_ | ok, branches updated... micahg could you take a look ? :) | 16:09 |
| micahg | l3on_: non-security stuff, sure, I'll take a look when I pilot a bit later if that's ok | 16:10 |
| l3on_ | thanks | 16:10 |
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| jtaylor | l3on: shogun was "fixed" can you update the merge? also check if the hdf5 stuff is ok | 17:25 |
| jtaylor | btw is there interest in getting the hdf5 transition done in precise too? | 17:25 |
| jtaylor | would be nice as it includes a couple new helper commands which would ease backporting, but the status does not look very good yet | 17:26 |
| jtaylor | also updating science stuff always takes ages :/ | 17:26 |
| tumbleweed | science stuff tends to be big an dclunky | 17:29 |
| * tumbleweed needs to set up something like this for the bugs I file http://blog.gerv.net/2012/01/outstanding-requests-in-bugzilla/ | 17:29 | |
| Laney | hdf5 is having problems | 17:31 |
| tumbleweed | otoh, opencv seems to be going well | 17:31 |
| jtaylor | can I sync stuff that does not exist in ubuntu yet? | 17:32 |
| jtaylor | I want to have dh_linktree :) | 17:32 |
| tumbleweed | yes | 17:32 |
| jtaylor | now review necessary? | 17:32 |
| tumbleweed | it'll go to NEW, yes | 17:32 |
| jtaylor | automacially if I use syncpackage? | 17:33 |
| tumbleweed | yup | 17:33 |
| jtaylor | nice | 17:33 |
| bkerensa | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snort/+bug/889721 <-- Upstream had a interesting response | 17:33 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 889721 in snort (Ubuntu) "Typo in the man page: runnong instead of running" [Low,Fix released] | 17:33 |
| tumbleweed | bkerensa: yeah, upstreams don't understand how we work | 17:34 |
| micahg | jtaylor: dh_linktree was already sync'd by cjwatson | 17:34 |
| jtaylor | oh good | 17:34 |
| bkerensa | tumbleweed: Yeah he also e-mailed me and thanked me but essentially also assigned blame to both Debian and Ubuntu for not keeping up with Upstream heh | 17:35 |
| cjwatson | well, dh_linktree still needs binary NEW - I'll do that now | 17:38 |
| Rhonda | interesting that someone files a sync request for wesnoth-1.9 when I am preparing wesnoth-1.10 :) | 19:02 |
| micahg | that's why I subscribed you :) | 19:02 |
| Rhonda | Ah, you subscribed me. I wonder why it appeared in my mailbox :) | 19:02 |
| micahg | launchpad should tell you why you got it | 19:04 |
| micahg | although I think that message is delayed a bit | 19:04 |
| Rhonda | You have been subscribed to a public bug: | 19:06 |
| jtaylor | anyone knowlegable about fonts? | 19:06 |
| Rhonda | micahg: but it doesn't tell by whom. | 19:06 |
| micahg | oh, it used to say by whom | 19:06 |
| Rhonda | You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to wesnoth in Ubuntu. | 19:06 |
| Rhonda | And that is in the footer. | 19:07 |
| Rhonda | micahg: marked it as wontfix, guess thats acceptable with the reasoning I wrote :) | 19:11 |
| * Rhonda . o O ( being able to do so on my own without having to ask someone else is the good thing about being a MOTU :) ) | 19:12 | |
| micahg | yep | 19:13 |
| micahg | well, it'll still need to be NEW processed, but as long as it's in Debian, that qualifies as the initial package review | 19:13 |
| Rhonda | Sure | 19:16 |
| Rhonda | One of the reason I keep 1.9 in my PPA is, the last 1.9.14 release is extremely close to the 1.10 release, thus I don't expect any FTBFS or similar issues with it. :) | 19:17 |
| Rhonda | There are just bug fixes and translation updates in between, but 1.9.14 was string frozen and feature frozen (I think feature freeze was upstream at 1.9.10 or such already) | 19:18 |
| jtaylor | the new launchpad is not working so great :( | 19:22 |
| jtaylor | constantly oops not found errors | 19:22 |
| l3on | hello there.. where I can find some statistic for precise ? | 19:24 |
| jtaylor | what kind of statistics? | 19:24 |
| l3on | packages, bugs closed, what else ? | 19:25 |
| l3on | merges, syncs, | 19:25 |
| tumbleweed | l3on: you can find some things here: http://qa.ubuntu.com/report-list/ | 19:28 |
| jtaylor | interesting blcr-dkms is in the top 10 most duplicates | 19:32 |
| jtaylor | apparently many use it, but there is no patch for this issue since 3.0 kernels | 19:32 |
| l3on | thanks :) | 19:35 |
| tumbleweed | I also have graphs of ftbfs packages and upload counts, but that's about it | 19:35 |
| l3on | tumbleweed, can I see that ? :) | 20:08 |
| tumbleweed | http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~stefanor/ | 20:09 |
| Laney | what a day for the debian package importer to be broken >:( | 20:10 |
| tumbleweed | :) | 20:10 |
| l3on | beautiful tumbleweed | 20:18 |
| l3on | .:D | 20:18 |
| l3on | maybe some numbers could help :) | 20:18 |
| tumbleweed | they're all there in the js :P | 20:19 |
| l3on | can I checkout the code? :) | 20:19 |
| tumbleweed | yes | 20:19 |
| tumbleweed | and if you have access to alioth, you can mine that kind of thing yourself | 20:19 |
| tumbleweed | l3on: do we know what's wrong with the importer? | 20:37 |
| tumbleweed | err Laney | 20:37 |
| l3on | tumbleweed, what do you think about some tooltip/popup ? | 20:37 |
| Laney | something fell over with ftp.uk.debain.org | 20:37 |
| Laney | ian | 20:37 |
| l3on | something like → http://jqueryfordesigners.com/coda-popup-bubbles/ | 20:38 |
| Laney | which is where it pulls from | 20:38 |
| tumbleweed | l3on: for what? | 20:38 |
| l3on | for top 50 uploaders | 20:38 |
| l3on | just to know how many packages for instance | 20:39 |
| tumbleweed | one of the reports already has tooltips, it'd make sense to use the same library (unless it sucks) | 20:39 |
| l3on | which one ? | 20:39 |
| l3on | I mean, which one report ? | 20:39 |
| tumbleweed | I can't remember, and I can't see it :) | 20:40 |
| l3on | lol | 20:41 |
| Laney | 23/01 15:57:04 <Sledge> themill: looks like mirroring is broken somewhere upstream of free | 20:42 |
| Laney | 23/01 15:57:19 <Sledge> I'm getting that looked at now, and also doing a manual sync | 20:42 |
| Laney | free = box with mirror | 20:42 |
| Laney | 23/01 15:57:37 <Sledge> DNS will be updated shortly to point elsewhere in the meantime | 20:42 |
| tumbleweed | l3on: aah, ftbfs | 20:43 |
| l3on | :) | 20:44 |
| tumbleweed | anyway, patches welcome. Shout if you want me to move one of those +junk branches into a lp project, for easier merge requests | 20:45 |
| l3on | we'll see, I'm not sure that what I want is easly to do :) | 20:46 |
| l3on | *easy | 20:46 |
| tumbleweed | flot.js alreday has some hover support: http://people.iola.dk/olau/flot/examples/tracking.html | 20:49 |
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| tumbleweed | Laney: we appear to have imports | 21:52 |
| Laney | good ones? | 21:53 |
| tumbleweed | they'd better not be bad :) | 21:53 |
| Laney | not sure i can see any syncs on precise-changes | 21:54 |
| * tumbleweed just did one | 21:55 | |
| Laney | sponsored? | 21:55 |
| tumbleweed | no, coming up now | 21:55 |
| Laney | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2012-January/007903.html ? seems all you | 21:55 |
| tumbleweed | yes | 21:55 |
| tumbleweed | barry: still intend to build pypy in a ppa that has arm, or should I just sync it? | 21:57 |
| Laney | not sponsored then? | 21:57 |
| Laney | sponsor it to someone if you do it :P | 21:57 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: syncing python-markdown, sponsored | 21:58 |
| Laney | oh, it woke up? | 21:58 |
| Laney | good stuff | 21:58 |
| barry | tumbleweed: ah, last week i was trying to build it on my arm box, but honestly, i probably won't get to it now. sync it i guess ;) | 21:58 |
| tumbleweed | commit myself to making it work before release :) | 21:58 |
| Laney | In [2]: ubuntu_archive.getPublishedSources(source_name='python-markdown', distro_series=lp.distributions['ubuntu'].current_series, exact_match=True)[0].sponsor | 22:00 |
| Laney | Out[2]: <person at https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/~stefanor> | 22:00 |
| tumbleweed | oh, ScottK sorry, didn't seeyou assigned yourself to that | 22:00 |
| ScottK | tumbleweed: As long as it's done. I was just waiting for it to appear. | 22:05 |
| Laney | tumbleweed: select source, version, changed_by, signed_by from ubuntu_upload_history where source = 'python-markdown' and version = '2.1.0-1'; | 22:09 |
| Laney | :-) | 22:09 |
| tumbleweed | :) | 22:09 |
| Laney | it is nice going end-to-end like that | 22:11 |
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