| === LjL is now known as LjL-Deluxe | ||
| === pangolin is now known as pangolin-Supreme | ||
| === pangolin-Supreme is now known as pangolin | ||
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Hacking On Accomplishments - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/23/hacking-on-accomplishments/ | 00:15 |
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| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| czajkowski | aloha | 07:34 |
| Myrtti | moin | 07:35 |
| czajkowski | Myrtti: anythign nice planned this week ? | 07:40 |
| Myrtti | we've got a Jaiku meetup in Tampere to reminisce | 07:40 |
| czajkowski | cool, like meet ups always different people at them | 07:41 |
| Myrtti | yeah well I've met all these people before, it'll be more like a funeral wake than anything else | 07:41 |
| Myrtti | (Jaiku was shut down a week ago) | 07:42 |
| czajkowski | :/ | 07:43 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 07:49 |
| daubers | Morning | 08:15 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 08:15 |
| DJones | Morning all | 08:23 |
| * daubers feels like rubbish this morning :( | 08:31 | |
| MooDoo | daubers: man flu? | 08:33 |
| daubers | MooDoo: Maybe. Lots of driving over the weekend + not much sleep more likely | 08:33 |
| MooDoo | oh dear :( | 08:34 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Morning peeps | 08:34 |
| MooDoo | morning | 08:36 |
| smittix | Morning | 08:40 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps! | 09:00 |
| bigcalm | I has Xoom \o/ | 09:01 |
| popey | heh | 09:01 |
| bigcalm | Morning popey | 09:02 |
| danfish | lo | 09:07 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: xooooooom! | 09:10 |
| bigcalm | Indeedie | 09:12 |
| bigcalm | Wow, the touch screen is so responsive. This is a completely different world from the poop cheepy tablet I bought before | 09:13 |
| oimon | i just discovered that sony use an ubuntu based splashtop on their laptops | 09:14 |
| bigcalm | Where's a davmor2 when you need one? | 09:19 |
| Myrtti | I can imitate one | 09:20 |
| * Myrtti pokes czajkowski | 09:20 | |
| Myrtti | there | 09:20 |
| Myrtti | :-D | 09:20 |
| bigcalm | :D | 09:20 |
| popey | oimon: interesting, got a link or anything? | 09:21 |
| MooDoo | lol @ Myrtti | 09:21 |
| czajkowski | Myrtti: oi lol | 09:22 |
| czajkowski | davmor2 doesnt come on till later in the morning | 09:22 |
| Myrtti | and suddenly, a wild davmor2 appears. | 09:22 |
| Myrtti | when I was in school we had this theory that if you mention some of the teachers by name, they appear as if by magic | 09:23 |
| czajkowski | Myrtti: ahh yes the bettlejuice effect :) | 09:24 |
| czajkowski | say it 3 times and they appear! | 09:24 |
| Myrtti | I thought it was candyman | 09:25 |
| Myrtti | I don't watch horror movies at all and thrillers only at home, so I'm not sure | 09:26 |
| bigcalm | MartijnVdS: did you say you had a Xoom? | 09:29 |
| bigcalm | Myrtti: it was Beetlejuice. I think Candyman was 5 times (not seen it though) | 09:30 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: I do | 09:30 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: I've reflashed it with stock US firmware (there's a guide on xda-developer) | 09:31 |
| bigcalm | MartijnVdS: I was going to ask if you've been sent the OTA ICS update | 09:31 |
| bigcalm | But you've altered it from stock | 09:31 |
| bigcalm | I'm in no rush, just wondering when to expect it to update in the UK | 09:32 |
| === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson | ||
| hoover | good morning | 09:34 |
| bigcalm | Hi hoovie | 09:34 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! | 09:35 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:38 |
| oimon | popey: no, a friend got it out on the train. instant-on system. i clicked on the ackowledgements and opensource info and they use a 2.6.x kernel, some elements of ubuntu 8.10 and mozilla browser with bing search | 09:41 |
| oimon | Sony models that have shipped with Quick Web Access (powered by Splashtop) include the following: • VAIO NW Series notebooks • VAIO P Series netbooks | 09:42 |
| oimon | source is here: http://www.splashtop.com/opensource | 09:43 |
| hoover | hey biggie | 09:45 |
| popey | oimon: i didnt think splashtop was ubuntu powered, wondered what elements made you think it was | 09:49 |
| popey | haha the source 404's | 09:50 |
| oimon | popey: it was mentioned on the acknowledgements page with a list of elements used (busybox, kernel). it may just have been the wifi drivers from ubuntu | 09:50 |
| oimon | popey: yeah :( | 09:50 |
| oimon | my friend wanted to change bing as search provider on the browser but didn't seem possible. the instant on was very nice | 09:57 |
| popey | yeah, my acer revo came with it | 10:10 |
| bigcalm | Instant on? I never turned mine off to find out | 10:16 |
| popey | heh | 10:17 |
| oimon | i like to shut all my devices down at night | 10:18 |
| oimon | phone, tablet, laptop.. | 10:18 |
| popey | are you 75 years old? | 10:18 |
| czajkowski | I only shut down laptop | 10:20 |
| bigcalm | I shut down laptops and workstations. Servers I tend to leave running | 10:22 |
| Daviey | 'workstations'.. | 10:23 |
| Daviey | who has a 'workstation', these days? | 10:23 |
| MartijnVdS | My laptop auto-suspends after an hour | 10:23 |
| bigcalm | I do | 10:23 |
| oimon | it's nice to know devices are switched off :D | 10:23 |
| MartijnVdS | my tablet and phone turn "off" (screen off) and are on the charger at night | 10:23 |
| oimon | i don't leave stuff charging overnight | 10:23 |
| MartijnVdS | you must not have a smart phone | 10:24 |
| MartijnVdS | or not move much during the day | 10:24 |
| Daviey | bigcalm: is this yours, http://www.chuckc.net/images/labeledsetup.jpg ? | 10:25 |
| Myrtti | AND SUDDENLY A DAVMOR2 APPEARS | 10:25 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 10:25 |
| bigcalm | Not quite | 10:25 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 10:25 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: welcome. No need to bring your Xoom on Thursday ;) | 10:25 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: you been talking about me again | 10:25 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: you got one then :) | 10:26 |
| bigcalm | Yep, arrived this morning | 10:26 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: have you put a non-stock rom on it? | 10:26 |
| bigcalm | s/it/yours | 10:26 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Nope | 10:27 |
| oimon | MartijnVdS: my phone still lasts more than a working day, but i don't make phone calls | 10:27 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: just did updates | 10:27 |
| Myrtti | davmor2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/814138/ | 10:27 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: good, so have you been sent ICS OTA? | 10:27 |
| davmor2 | hahaha | 10:28 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: not that I'm aware of | 10:28 |
| Myrtti | that's almost good enough to go into the book | 10:28 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: just general updates | 10:29 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: ok, ta. Just wondering when I should expect ICS to be available in the UK | 10:29 |
| MooDoo | moring davmor2 | 10:29 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: from what I understand they are rolling out samples in the US now Scandinavia seem to get it next with the UK after that | 10:31 |
| bigcalm | Daviey: this is my setup: https://plus.google.com/113834766641843352499/posts/ZfAXJ1PDpWz | 10:32 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: me awld mukka 'ow am ya bud | 10:32 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: I have :) | 10:32 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: but as I said, on US firmware | 10:32 |
| bigcalm | Ah, I see! | 10:32 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: aye not bad, can't grumble.....too much | 10:33 |
| * czajkowski hugs davmor2 | 10:34 | |
| * MooDoo hugs davmor2 and pokes czajkowski | 10:34 | |
| oimon | does deprecated code still work? i.e. is it removed, or flagged to be removed? warning: ‘gtk_vbox_new’ is deprecated (declared at /usr/include/gtk-3.0/gtk/deprecated/gtkvbox.h:62): Use 'gtk_box_new' instead [-Wdeprecated-declarations] | 10:35 |
| davmor2 | mines looking a little too untidy for a photo op at the moment but I have 5pc and a server into 3 kvms, 2 laptops and a netbook | 10:35 |
| matti | oimon: Yes, in most cases. | 10:35 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: 'ows the back sweetie oh and err PROD! | 10:35 |
| oimon | matti: hmm.. so removing Werror is bad then :D | 10:35 |
| matti | oimon: Yes ;p | 10:35 |
| gord | bigcalm, your room there looks exactly the same as the room i am in, down to the radiator and everything | 10:36 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: see you can get away with poking czajkowski but somehow it sounds wrong coming from a bloke Prods are the "PC" way forward ;) | 10:36 |
| bigcalm | gord: spooky | 10:36 |
| bigcalm | gord: same mess? | 10:36 |
| Myrtti | davmor2: I was just imitating you! | 10:36 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 10:36 |
| Myrtti | I did get an "oi" too :-P | 10:36 |
| gord | bigcalm, less banana's | 10:37 |
| * funkyHat pokes everyone | 10:37 | |
| Myrtti | funkyHat: I thought I already took your cake away | 10:37 |
| gord | and more speakers | 10:37 |
| Myrtti | funkyHat: don't make me come for the beverage as well | 10:37 |
| * funkyHat giggles and runs away | 10:37 | |
| gord | and more cats | 10:37 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: yes only czajkowski is being nice to me now as a new year resolution I might be down in London soon though so that will change :D | 10:37 |
| funkyHat | Myrtti: yes, the lack of cake is making me act up! | 10:37 |
| gord | i do have books making my monitors higher though | 10:37 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: czajkowski?? nice?? nah that's not right :D | 10:38 |
| czajkowski | MooDoo: I'm always nice ask davmor2 | 10:38 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: can you confirm that dubious statement from czajkowski ? | 10:39 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: her's trying but it always sounds like someone is holding a gun to her head when she says it :D | 10:40 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: what you given her to make her nice to you? | 10:41 |
| czajkowski | :( | 10:41 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: is nver nice to me :( lol | 10:41 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: A new year apparently | 10:41 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: blimey..... | 10:41 |
| === Pernig_ is now known as Pernig | ||
| czajkowski | MooDoo: are you from northhampton? | 10:41 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: nope | 10:41 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: deny it and run | 10:41 |
| * funkyHat is from Northampton | 10:42 | |
| MooDoo | davmor2: damn i missed something there | 10:42 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: now as if he lives there | 10:42 |
| czajkowski | ah but you dont follow rugby and we thrashed them at the weekend :D | 10:42 |
| davmor2 | ask | 10:42 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: yes yes i am from northampton...definately | 10:42 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: i'm a quins fan not a saints fan | 10:42 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: I thought you were in Nottingham :D | 10:43 |
| funkyHat | Rugby is less boring than most team sports, I suppose | 10:43 |
| directhex | pfft, northampton | 10:43 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: yes but i've an affinity with quins | 10:43 |
| matti | directhex: Is that entire Mono or just this one platform? | 10:43 |
| directhex | as someone who went to uni in southampton, there is only one thing northampton is good for | 10:43 |
| directhex | which is Buddies USA diners | 10:43 |
| directhex | matti, depends on whether boycottnovell has run a headline with the story yet | 10:44 |
| davmor2 | directhex: is it War huuuu! | 10:44 |
| matti | directhex: Uhm. | 10:45 |
| matti | directhex: I see. | 10:45 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: perhaps i should be nice to czajkowski ? | 10:46 |
| directhex | matti, packages.qa reports a full-package removal, regardless of the specifics. and perhaps i know from experience that readers and editors of a certain website are incapable of fact checking, so won't actually check the bug being ANAIS, not RoM | 10:46 |
| matti | Haha | 10:47 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: I think she has a nicebot setup so when I say czajkowski prod! something nice is returned to be honest ;) | 10:47 |
| matti | directhex: The first thing I did was look at the bug. | 10:48 |
| matti | directhex: Does not seem like whole Mono will go. | 10:48 |
| funkyHat | directhex: I would have to agree. I was trying to think of something else but can't | 10:48 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: phew, well we need the real czajkowski i miss her! | 10:48 |
| matti | directhex: I was surprised as some of our internal development is making an effort to move from .NET on Mono. | 10:48 |
| * funkyHat has escaped to London | 10:48 | |
| === LjL-Deluxe is now known as LjL | ||
| matti | directhex: So it would be funny thing if the support would go away :) | 10:48 |
| davmor2 | funkyHat: that's easy just don't live, work or drive there it's a doodle to leave then | 10:49 |
| directhex | matti, mono needs to be formally removed from s390, otherwise 105 other packages keep trying to build with it needlessly | 10:50 |
| AlanBell | I expect the user of mono on the 31bit S390 will be up in arms | 10:50 |
| matti | directhex: That's fine and more than reasonable :) | 10:50 |
| matti | directhex: I am just worried about it on x86* | 10:51 |
| directhex | AlanBell, let me get the stats... | 10:51 |
| matti | directhex: I rather commit sepuku than end up in a position to keep on packaging Mono for my internal team. | 10:51 |
| * matti dislikes anything that touches Windows ... | 10:52 | |
| directhex | AlanBell, well, only 15 s390 users have popcon installed... | 10:52 |
| matti | AlanBell: :) | 10:52 |
| AlanBell | directhex: I am quite impressed at the 15! | 10:53 |
| directhex | AlanBell, so 31.6% of Debian users across all architectures have Mono installed, meaning... 4.7 s390 users! | 10:53 |
| oimon | notice that 32-bit vs 64-bit is almost at tipping point on popcon.debian.org | 10:53 |
| directhex | i would be astonished if anyone was running s390 by choice rather than s390x | 10:54 |
| directhex | we're adding s390x packages to mono | 10:54 |
| oimon | logarithmic chart..hmmm | 10:55 |
| AlanBell | directhex: that is 3.7 more than I would have expected | 10:55 |
| directhex | AlanBell, you can prove anything with statistics :p | 10:55 |
| === georgios is now known as GiorgioShooter | ||
| directhex | AlanBell, we also just fixed musicbrainz support when ripping cds with banshee on itanium. very important user base. | 10:56 |
| Laney | except that dbus is still broken | 10:57 |
| directhex | pfft dbus | 10:58 |
| directhex | why didn't we upload the fix for that? | 10:58 |
| Laney | you thought it might be wrong | 10:59 |
| directhex | i wasn't sure! i was seeking further comment! | 11:03 |
| Laney | well *i* dunno! | 11:06 |
| Laney | ask #mono ¬_¬ | 11:06 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: there's part of my layout http://ubuntuone.com/7KmJOHbEYZ567Q0mZZYwmV | 11:10 |
| bigcalm | Looks noisey | 11:12 |
| * popey decides not to take a pic of his setup until it's tidied | 11:13 | |
| bigcalm | popey: sensible | 11:13 |
| * gord is agreeing with popey | 11:13 | |
| davmor2 | popey: that was mine pre usage it's a bit messier now bit's of paper with notes on scattered liberally :) | 11:14 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: the noisiest thing in that room is me :D | 11:16 |
| bigcalm | Hah | 11:17 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: I'll take that as agreement then :D | 11:21 |
| Myrtti | "Let this be a lesson for future generations: do not use Google Translate to translate Finnish and assume it does a good job." http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/kotimaa.shtml/2012/01/1482051/googlen-kaannoskukkanen-kaikista-paavoista-tuli-pesusienia :-| | 11:21 |
| gordonjcp | Myrtti: heh | 11:23 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: it doesn't do a good job on Brazilian/Portuguese? either there were some hilarious incidents with a friends facebook comments :) | 11:24 |
| gordonjcp | Myrtti: I tend to work on the assumption that there are damn sight more Finnish-to-English translations than English-to-Finnish | 11:24 |
| gordonjcp | Myrtti: hence it probably does a better job of Finnish to English | 11:26 |
| gordonjcp | which still isn't brilliant at times | 11:26 |
| Myrtti | gordonjcp: I wouldn't use it at all if there receiving end doesn't understand any Finnish | 11:26 |
| Myrtti | or isn't atleast minimally knowledgeable about Finland | 11:27 |
| gord | http://ubuntuone.com/5rRghtDT2mJXGsSWbI6fXP - how gord lives | 11:27 |
| dwatkins | only two displays, gord? ;) | 11:35 |
| bigcalm | gord: spooky room. You even have the same web cam as me now! | 11:36 |
| oimon | http://ubuntuone.com/34gUnM0Ioa935DGnSoKWzt rather large orifice | 11:36 |
| * AlanBell thinks SpongeBob would be an excellent president | 11:36 | |
| AlanBell | oimon: I want one of those aero chair things | 11:37 |
| AlanBell | aeron or something | 11:37 |
| oimon | very nice | 11:37 |
| bigcalm | AlanBell: they are worth it | 11:37 |
| oimon | last chair did my back in . never have problems with this one | 11:37 |
| gord | bigcalm, nah, this is a playstation eye | 11:37 |
| gord | bigcalm, can your webcam do 125frames per second? mine can! | 11:37 |
| bigcalm | gord: so is mine now :) | 11:37 |
| gord | oooh okay | 11:37 |
| bigcalm | gord: that photo of mine is from a while back | 11:38 |
| oimon | i feel motivated to tidy my office now | 11:38 |
| oimon | i thought it was tidy till i looked at the photo | 11:38 |
| gord | bigcalm, but you surely don't have a wookie protecting your systems | 11:38 |
| bigcalm | gord: I have a tux and a tardis on guard duty | 11:39 |
| gord | that'll never stop darth vader | 11:39 |
| gord | who is an ever present threat | 11:39 |
| bigcalm | True | 11:40 |
| dwatkins | http://ubuntuone.com/1hBYg1QZHYE3kjbqNnXCL6 is where I'm currently sitting | 11:41 |
| oimon | the next thread is gonna be the view from our window :D | 11:45 |
| dwatkins | if you like :) I can see the Pentland hills from here. | 11:45 |
| AlanBell | aeron chairs are still around £400 on ebay | 11:46 |
| dwatkins | 800 quid new, iirc | 11:46 |
| oimon | i always regret getting the charles eames chair from my former employer rather than the cheaper aeron type chair | 11:46 |
| dwatkins | how come, oimon? | 11:47 |
| dwatkins | I was lucky and managed to secure an aeron chair for working from home a few years back when they shut an office down | 11:47 |
| oimon | the charles eames chair was an expensive leather one from the board room. got it for prestige value, but the aeron chair i sat on every day was incredibly comfy | 11:48 |
| dwatkins | yeah, aerons are great, I'm sure my back problems would be worse if I didn't have them | 11:48 |
| bigcalm | Anybody here work standing up? | 11:48 |
| popey | i have a friend who does | 11:49 |
| bigcalm | Pondering if it's any good | 11:49 |
| oimon | i would be exhausted in 10 mins | 11:49 |
| bigcalm | aquarius: how did working standing up go for you? | 11:49 |
| * oimon is 75 | 11:49 | |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: I know a couple of people that do | 11:49 |
| Myrtti | saddlechairs might be a good option to standup desks | 11:49 |
| Myrtti | expensive tho | 11:49 |
| ikonia | there are those desks which move up and down | 11:50 |
| dwatkins | I've tried working standing up, it's fine so long as the floor has some give in it | 11:50 |
| ikonia | you can sit down, then stand up and move the desk up with you | 11:50 |
| Myrtti | dwatkins: or you're wearing good shoes | 11:51 |
| oimon | i can't see any benefit tbh | 11:51 |
| dwatkins | indeed Myrtti | 11:51 |
| dwatkins | in some offices they have desks you can raise to a height you can use standing up | 11:54 |
| dwatkins | make sure the power cables are long enough, obv. | 11:54 |
| christel | back when my spine was shagged, i found that the cheapest solution was to use a massive gym ball as a chair | 11:54 |
| christel | it was comfortable and ensured good posture! | 11:54 |
| ikonia | dwatkins: I've just come from a site from those desks, they where very cool | 11:55 |
| christel | (and doubled as a toy for when bored) | 11:55 |
| dwatkins | ikonia: groovy, which country? | 11:55 |
| ikonia | christel: I sometimes do that at home, kicks the abs muscales in | 11:55 |
| ikonia | dwatkins: Sweaden | 11:55 |
| dwatkins | ikonia: I suspected that was the case | 11:55 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | dwatkins: I saw those at Ericsson in Stockholm in the late 90's - a few hardcore Swedes used to use the "standing up" posture for work. | 11:55 |
| ikonia | note "just come back" = sometime in the last 4 months | 11:55 |
| dwatkins | a colleague of mine reported the same desks in Sweden, ikonia | 11:55 |
| ikonia | it just seems like yesterday | 11:55 |
| christel | ikonia: *nod* | 11:55 |
| ikonia | dwatkins: it was a good working atmosphere and useful way to work | 11:56 |
| Myrtti | back in 1999 we had those desks at school | 11:56 |
| christel | saddle chairs are also good | 11:56 |
| christel | i have one in the garage that i no longer use | 11:56 |
| Myrtti | ooo | 11:57 |
| Myrtti | sell it to me? | 11:57 |
| christel | you can have it! | 11:57 |
| Myrtti | :-o | 11:57 |
| ikonia | dwatkins: gather round a desk for something, stand up, sit down working alone, stand up for a bit of creative stuff | 11:57 |
| ikonia | AT&T in the states had them in their operations center too | 11:58 |
| ikonia | christel: shame on you, use it | 11:58 |
| davmor2 | christel: do you own the side saddle variety, being as you are a LADY | 11:58 |
| christel | davmor2: hahaha | 11:58 |
| christel | ikonia: nah, i no longer "need" to use it so it's been "retired" :) | 11:58 |
| ikonia | christel: there is no need, push further | 11:59 |
| Myrtti | I have gym ball in my "chicken coop" | 12:00 |
| dwatkins | I had a knee chair once, you kneel on it | 12:00 |
| awilkins | My mum has one of those, which I had when I was a teenager | 12:00 |
| MartijnVdS | yes it cuts off circulation to your lower leggs | 12:00 |
| MartijnVdS | for me anyway | 12:00 |
| awilkins | It makes my shins ache | 12:00 |
| Myrtti | yeah I tried to use a knee chair, my knees didn't like it :-| | 12:00 |
| christel | dwatkins: ooh i used to have that when i was Much younger | 12:00 |
| awilkins | Gymball might be OK | 12:01 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: when you say gym ball do you mean a balance ball or a heavy gym ball? | 12:01 |
| dwatkins | yeah, it's fone for a bit but gets a bit tiring after a while | 12:01 |
| awilkins | Especially if I can get Jessica Biel to come and sit on it (like in "Stealth") | 12:01 |
| christel | davmor2: a swiss ball | 12:02 |
| Myrtti | davmor2: huge inflatable thera-band fitness/excercise/gym ball | 12:02 |
| ikonia | I want a Bosu | 12:02 |
| ikonia | but they are a real rip off | 12:02 |
| davmor2 | christel: but those are made from chocolate surely | 12:02 |
| christel | i used a 75cm (30") as a "chair" | 12:02 |
| ikonia | I sit on a spike | 12:02 |
| ikonia | </python> | 12:03 |
| awilkins | I have an Ikea "Magnus" I think | 12:03 |
| awilkins | Was about 80-90 quid | 12:03 |
| awilkins | It has the mesh back, a leather seat, lumbar support | 12:03 |
| MartijnVdS | I have one of those as well | 12:03 |
| MartijnVdS | ♥ | 12:03 |
| awilkins | Sometimes I use the floating back mode which does tone you up | 12:04 |
| davmor2 | awilkins: I have a huge leather chair from stapples iirc that cost about £100 more than that but is still comfortable 5 years in | 12:04 |
| MartijnVdS | awilkins: Markus I think? http://www.ikea.com/nl/nl/catalog/products/40103100/ | 12:05 |
| awilkins | davmor2, My office is also like a chicken coop | 12:05 |
| christel | ikonia: i get bosu's pretty cheap | 12:05 |
| awilkins | MartijnVdS, That's the one | 12:05 |
| christel | as it's considered a "rehabilition product" so it's sold by several of my suppliers at cost | 12:05 |
| davmor2 | awilkins: mines an entire room I guess that is the difference :) | 12:05 |
| awilkins | My only gripe is the left armrest is wobbly but I can't find the allen key to tighten it up | 12:05 |
| awilkins | davmor2, My office is also an entire room, but it's a really tiny one | 12:06 |
| MartijnVdS | awilkins: any hardware/tool store has them | 12:06 |
| ikonia | christel: I'm interested | 12:06 |
| dwatkins | awilkins: I find those sets of hex-bits invaluable for many things | 12:06 |
| christel | i bought an extreme balance board not long ago, but david thinks it's a miniature zee-zaw | 12:06 |
| davmor2 | awilkins: mines not huge 4x3 ish | 12:06 |
| awilkins | 4x3 m? | 12:06 |
| awilkins | I'd KILL for a 4x3 m office | 12:07 |
| davmor2 | awilkins: Yeap | 12:07 |
| dwatkins | http://www.maplin.co.uk/33-piece-security-bit-set-11520 is what I have | 12:07 |
| dwatkins | ...somewhere | 12:07 |
| awilkins | I think mine is more like 3x2 | 12:07 |
| oimon | i'm thinking of moving to a smaller office :D | 12:07 |
| oimon | i feel guilty having so much room | 12:07 |
| davmor2 | oimon: I don't quite have enough I don't think. /me need MOAR! | 12:10 |
| christel | ikonia: that can be arranged! | 12:10 |
| ikonia | xxxx | 12:11 |
| christel | i need to order a portable ultrasound unit thing so i can grab a bosu at the same time! | 12:15 |
| dwatkins | do you sit on a ball or a half-sphere with the Bosu? | 12:22 |
| dwatkins | looks like something I should get to improve balance and general core muscles | 12:23 |
| christel | the bosu (BOth Sides Up) can be used for a variety of execerises (stable or unstable depending on which way up you've got it) it#s also great for just adding some challenge to your normal excersizes -- but yeah, it's a balance training tool :) | 12:26 |
| dwatkins | nifty, looks like something I've used before in pyhsio for my back, will look into getting one | 12:27 |
| christel | yeah quite possibly, it's used a lot for rehab stuff by physiotherapists :) | 12:27 |
| christel | i do unstable squats on a bosu (so ball side down, flat bottom up) :) | 12:27 |
| dwatkins | yeah, my physiotherapist also suggested getting on of those big rolls | 12:28 |
| dwatkins | seeing the price of these, I think I'll wait a bit ;) | 12:28 |
| Myrtti | bosu? I need one | 12:28 |
| Myrtti | I was told by my physio years ago I need to a) get a better balance b) strengthen my ankles | 12:29 |
| christel | ah, a big foam roller? they are great! | 12:29 |
| christel | i use a rumbleroller (a bumpy one) now and again | 12:29 |
| dwatkins | I started doing Capaoera recently, but can't go at the moment having broken a toe (!) | 12:29 |
| dwatkins | that and swimming and cycling to work should sort me out in time :) | 12:30 |
| christel | what problems do you have with your back if you don't mind me asking? | 12:31 |
| dwatkins | mainly just stiffness, probably due to sitting and not getting a lot of e?cercise for the past 25 years ;) | 12:31 |
| dwatkins | occasional twinges, I gather it's quite common in people who work at a desk for a living and don't get a huge amount of excercise | 12:32 |
| christel | i used to have serious issues with my lower spine and found that weight training helped a tremendous amount as it built up sufficient muscle to keep stuff "in place" for longer :) | 12:32 |
| Myrtti | I feel so blessed for not having my back problems anymore | 12:32 |
| dwatkins | yeah, I gather strengthening the core muscles will help a lot | 12:32 |
| oimon | i slouch a lot, but seem to get away with it | 12:32 |
| gord | bigcalm, davmor2 - also in the vein of showing pictures from before, i feel the need to show off how nice and tidy my PC internals are ;) http://ubuntuone.com/2xQunhiHcLv5PUgXxepzMW - i can actually get at stuff without digging through cables! | 12:33 |
| bigcalm | Is there a need to open up your system that often? | 12:34 |
| dwatkins | I like cases with the PSU out the way | 12:34 |
| oimon | SATA improved things a lot in that area | 12:34 |
| popey | gord: your computer is upside down | 12:35 |
| gord | bigcalm, nope, but when i do i don't hate life | 12:37 |
| gord | popey, "better airflow" or something, there is a fan that pipes the bottom compartment into the main one, then there are three fans at the top to get rid of air in the main compartment | 12:37 |
| popey | sweet | 12:38 |
| directhex | i need to go & shorten my hair. | 12:49 |
| oimon | just slopped pasta sauce on myself before a big meeting | 12:49 |
| popey | cunning | 12:50 |
| directhex | claim it's the latest fashion | 12:50 |
| oimon | in attempting to clean it, the resulting wet patch is even worse | 12:50 |
| oimon | near my groin area | 12:50 |
| oimon | member of staff trying for 10 days to get a password reset with central helpdesk..pure dilbert | 12:51 |
| MartijnVdS | Still claim it's the latest fashion. With a straight face | 12:51 |
| Laney | wow | 13:02 |
| Laney | just got some epic screen corruption | 13:02 |
| czajkowski | Laney: I did up to last week then upgraded to lastest kernel and it was perfect again | 13:03 |
| Laney | http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/errrr.png | 13:03 |
| czajkowski | Laney: mine last week http://twitpic.com/85czwx/full | 13:04 |
| Laney | consistency :P | 13:04 |
| Laney | guess i should restart X ... | 13:05 |
| awilkins | Laney, Looks like a corrupted font table | 13:20 |
| awilkins | Laney, The same block of corruption r | 13:21 |
| awilkins | epeats for the same letter each tine | 13:21 |
| awilkins | I just have a corrupted touch-typing table, it seems | 13:21 |
| popey | 新春快乐 \o/ | 13:22 |
| bigcalm | o.O | 13:22 |
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| AlanBell | happy new year to you too | 13:23 |
| bigcalm | Ah | 13:23 |
| bigcalm | Googled it? | 13:23 |
| MartijnVdS | 茶 ? | 13:23 |
| bigcalm | Looks like a UFO | 13:24 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: it's "tea" | 13:24 |
| bigcalm | I see | 13:25 |
| bigcalm | mmm, tea | 13:25 |
| AlanBell | it is a simplified form of 樂 | 13:25 |
| AlanBell | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E4%B9%90 | 13:26 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: uhm.. I posted http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E8%8C%B6 you posted http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%A8%82 | 13:27 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: none of those is http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E4%B9%90 | 13:27 |
| AlanBell | so you did | 13:27 |
| MartijnVdS | oh wait, that's the last word in /topic | 13:27 |
| * MartijnVdS is stupid | 13:28 | |
| AlanBell | google translate doesn't do the last one, I thought thats what you were querying | 13:28 |
| MartijnVdS | no, I was saying "tea" :) | 13:28 |
| AlanBell | 珈琲 | 13:29 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: 檸檬水 | 13:30 |
| oimon | join #ubuntu-jp | 13:30 |
| popey | cn | 13:31 |
| oimon | ah | 13:31 |
| oimon | chomps on a mandarin | 13:31 |
| MartijnVdS | poor man | 13:31 |
| * popey fancies chinese for tea, bet they're all closed | 13:31 | |
| popey | how dare they! | 13:31 |
| MartijnVdS | Chinese bank holiday? ;) | 13:31 |
| * AlanBell has crispy duck in the freezer, might have to get one out | 13:32 | |
| oimon | show it to the chickens | 13:33 |
| MartijnVdS | "Lay eggs or else.." | 13:33 |
| oimon | "that's what happens if you mess with me" | 13:33 |
| * oimon was excused from the meeting, the stain was unrelated | 13:34 | |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: "This is what happens to poultry that crosses an Alan" | 13:34 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer just had yesterday's left-over homemade Chicken Dhansak, Saag Aloo, Basmati Rice and Naan :-D Sprinkled with a Bhut Jolokia to give it some kick. | 13:34 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It was lovely. Even if I say so myself. | 13:35 |
| oimon | were you playing jelly botty? | 13:35 |
| * daubers has almost finished the awesome Hackspace door authorisation system | 13:51 | |
| daubers | \o/ | 13:51 |
| Laney | rfid? | 13:52 |
| MartijnVdS | Oyster cards | 13:52 |
| MartijnVdS | ? | 13:52 |
| Laney | elaborate randomly generated maze | 13:52 |
| czajkowski | never leave home without one | 13:52 |
| Laney | sokoban | 13:52 |
| bigcalm | Knock 3 times? | 13:52 |
| MartijnVdS | Laney: nethack? :) | 13:52 |
| Laney | :-) | 13:52 |
| daubers | rfid cards | 13:53 |
| daubers | But I've built a rotating sign thing with GTK3 to have at the door so we can show what's going on and who's in the space \o/ | 13:54 |
| daubers | all works with some mqtt based magic | 13:54 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: Oyster Card saved me a fortune in London travel | 13:54 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: by not working? | 13:54 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: nope worked fine | 13:55 |
| AlanBell | daubers: london hackspace lets you register oyster cards with the rfid reader | 14:08 |
| daubers | AlanBell: I know. We're doing it a bit different | 14:10 |
| daubers | More because we want people to have a token to show they're a member | 14:10 |
| AlanBell | ok | 14:10 |
| AlanBell | daubers: purely out of interest what is the approx cost of the rfid lock? | 14:11 |
| daubers | AlanBell: In total about £50-60 ish | 14:11 |
| daubers | That's for one unit | 14:12 |
| daubers | We're putting in 2, so is twice that (ish) | 14:12 |
| daubers | If we were making 100 it would be much much less :) | 14:12 |
| daubers | also would be cheaper if it was a standalone unit, and not networked | 14:13 |
| * daubers makes some coffee | 14:46 | |
| smittix | Gnome-Tweak-Tool really needs options for changing desktop font | 15:29 |
| * daubers needs to figure out the best pay and go sim for a 3g dongle sending sms's once every few weeks | 15:43 | |
| bigcalm | Sounds like a embedded security system | 15:44 |
| daubers | bigcalm: Ish, more for temperature/humidity monitoring. Want warnings on set levels | 15:47 |
| bigcalm | Ah | 15:48 |
| ahayzen | *** ahayzen changes theme and Pidgin crashes =-O | 15:59 |
| d3ngar | Hey | 16:08 |
| d3ngar | I seem to have a major problem with my laptop monitor: it doesn't show anything. It is connected and recognised though. Once Ubuntu boots, I can see stuff on the second screen | 16:08 |
| d3ngar | Any ideas? | 16:08 |
| directhex | d3ngar, at all? not even whilst booting? | 16:09 |
| d3ngar | The BIOS boot sequence is displayed fine | 16:09 |
| d3ngar | Everything thereafter is rubbish | 16:09 |
| d3ngar | Also, my system keep crashing because of a Kernel Module | 16:10 |
| d3ngar | dell_wmi | 16:10 |
| d3ngar | I don't know what it does, but I keep getting an error in dmesg | 16:10 |
| d3ngar | Can I somehow disable the module? | 16:10 |
| kvarley | "No caching mode page present" <--- I get that message on my netbook while doing an install from my SD card prepared by unetbootin. Any ideas? | 16:13 |
| christel | the ocado man looked exactly like AlanBell today! | 16:36 |
| christel | only he had a scottish accent | 16:36 |
| DJones | That could have been AlanMacBell | 16:36 |
| christel | hahaha | 16:38 |
| AlanBell | did he deliver some eggs? | 16:39 |
| czajkowski | christel: did you order 24 eggs | 16:41 |
| christel | haha | 16:42 |
| christel | he did deliver eggs! | 16:42 |
| christel | czajkowski: only 18! | 16:42 |
| christel | i didn't order ANY flour :p | 16:42 |
| popey | 18 eggs! | 16:43 |
| popey | blimey | 16:43 |
| bigcalm | o.O | 16:44 |
| czajkowski | ohh we're having pie tonight | 16:45 |
| d3ngar | How can I change the default kernel to load? | 16:46 |
| gord | eh, its not pie night | 16:50 |
| gord | its chinese night | 16:51 |
| popey | +1 | 16:54 |
| christel | nooo it's ovenbaked rainbow trout night! | 16:56 |
| christel | with lots of yummy veg and herbs and creamy saucy goodness | 16:56 |
| gord | noo, its chinese night | 16:59 |
| * gord looks at the day | 16:59 | |
| gord | chinese new year for those that don't know ;) | 16:59 |
| * popey points to the /topic | 16:59 | |
| christel | oh fine, i'll give you that one! :P | 17:01 |
| christel | i will pretend that my trout is a dragon | 17:01 |
| Pendulum | christel: fish is apparently one of the favoured foods for Chinese New Year so I think you're fine not pretending it's a dragon ;) | 17:07 |
| christel | woop! | 17:09 |
| christel | :D | 17:09 |
| davmor2 | christel: a fire breathing trout don't eat it become a T'interweb phenomenon | 17:12 |
| christel | haha | 17:13 |
| d3ngar | Is there a way of booting into an older version of the kernel? | 17:14 |
| Pendulum | christel: you could always teach David that trout is what a dragon is. Then he'll always believe dragons are real :) | 17:15 |
| christel | hahaha | 17:15 |
| davmor2 | Pendulum: They are real don't tell me they're not I won't believe you :P | 17:16 |
| daubers | d3ngar: If your after an older kernal you've installed, you can just select if from the grub menu | 17:27 |
| gord | its absolutely fantastic that google chrome barfs out a bunch of annoying stuff on stdout, i love that, its not like i wanted to see anything in my terminal | 17:55 |
| popey | you run chrome from a terminal? | 18:00 |
| popey | don't you have some kind of launcher on your computer? :p | 18:00 |
| gord | yeah, but when you launch unity from a terminal, programs associate that terminal as their STDOUT | 18:01 |
| gord | so i get everything... very annoying | 18:01 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Looks fun, and it's a British company behind it. http://www.evi.com/ | 18:04 |
| gordonjcp | <grumble> | 18:34 |
| gordonjcp | well now I have a new reason to dislike CM7 | 18:34 |
| Hornet- | waiting for CM9 tbh | 18:37 |
| Hornet- | or rather my touchpad is | 18:37 |
| gordonjcp | Hornet-: doubt it'll run on an HTC Desire ;-) | 18:37 |
| === Hornet- is now known as Hornet | ||
| gordonjcp | but failing silently if you decide you don't like doing TLS any more isn't really acceptable behaviour | 18:37 |
| * czajkowski hugs aquarius | 18:38 | |
| smittix | gah | 18:40 |
| smittix | bad day today. | 18:40 |
| smittix | Evening all | 18:40 |
| * aquarius is hugged | 18:40 | |
| czajkowski | aquarius: well you get a hug and a wallop, hug cause I'f found a way to entertain myself and a wallop as there is a bug only you seem to know why it does such a thing! | 18:44 |
| bigcalm | aquarius: work place day this Thursday at the Light House :) | 18:46 |
| aquarius | bigcalm, ah, thursday's out. day of meetings | 18:47 |
| aquarius | what bug? | 18:47 |
| aquarius | czajkowski, ^ | 18:47 |
| bigcalm | aquarius: poop | 18:47 |
| czajkowski | aquarius: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-music-store/+bug/910921 | 18:48 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 910921 in ubuntuone-music-store "downloading users paid music from system keeps bringing you back to page 1" [Undecided,New] | 18:48 |
| AlanBell | haggis day on wednesday | 18:49 |
| aquarius | czajkowski, right, yeah. Sorry. That one's my fault, but fixing it is hard-ish. | 18:49 |
| czajkowski | aquarius: *wallop* | 18:50 |
| czajkowski | do you have any idea how flipping annoying that is | 18:50 |
| czajkowski | I'd 10 pages to do of 10 songs, from page 2 onwards it gets irksome! | 18:50 |
| AlanBell | czajkowski: middle click the links | 18:51 |
| czajkowski | aquarius: the other irritation which nobody seems to understand why is when you click download a song you cant click all 10 on a page to start to redownload it doesnt recognise | 18:52 |
| czajkowski | aquarius: on a track pad | 18:52 |
| gordonjcp | http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/corruptfont.jpg | 18:53 |
| AlanBell | left and right click together should do a middle click | 18:53 |
| gordonjcp | ^^ hmmm | 18:53 |
| czajkowski | gordonjcp: what kernel are you running ? | 18:53 |
| gordonjcp | Linux saito 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 7 14:50:42 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux | 18:54 |
| gordonjcp | I can't actually read that now so hopefully it'll make sense to you | 18:54 |
| AlanBell | 13:03 < Laney> http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/errrr.png | 18:54 |
| czajkowski | Linux sheldon 3.2.0-9-generic #16-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 13 20:46:38 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 18:54 |
| czajkowski | gordonjcp: so upgrading to that kernel removes that issue | 18:55 |
| gordonjcp | czajkowski: I'm going to have to bounce X to read that ;-) | 18:57 |
| aquarius | czajkowski, mainly because I never implemented that; having to redownload is meant to be very rare, so I didn't think about it needing to poke lots all at once | 18:57 |
| aquarius | czajkowski, do not middle click the links. Ignore AlanBell on this. | 18:58 |
| czajkowski | I'm unique :) | 18:58 |
| AlanBell | aquarius: I have every confidence I will be ignored ;) | 19:00 |
| AlanBell | seems to work for me though, I get lots of file downloads starting. I don't have two pages of music though | 19:01 |
| AlanBell | actually I am probably not understanding the problem | 19:02 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: when I go past page 1 I get thrown bac to page 1 each time after I hit the download button | 19:03 |
| czajkowski | aquarius: can you at leas tack the bug exists :) | 19:03 |
| czajkowski | so I know I'm not going insane | 19:03 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I don't see how you have pages of music, I have to drill down by artist and cd title | 19:04 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: music I've bought | 19:06 |
| AlanBell | under the files tab? | 19:06 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: under bought/purchased music | 19:07 |
| popey | why are you visiting that page czajkowski ? | 19:07 |
| AlanBell | https://one.ubuntu.com/files/ I have a "Purchased Music" link there, but I think you are talking about something else | 19:07 |
| czajkowski | via banshee I am | 19:08 |
| popey | the bug isnt clear | 19:08 |
| AlanBell | aaaahhhhh | 19:08 |
| czajkowski | popey: I may ahve delete all my purchased music so trying to redownload them | 19:08 |
| popey | you dont mention banshee at all | 19:08 |
| czajkowski | true I had been discussing it hte last day in u1 channel so did leave that bit out in the bug my bad | 19:08 |
| AlanBell | that will be why I am giving you crap advice about middle clicking things | 19:09 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: tis ok my fault for not being clearer to you | 19:11 |
| daubers | Evening | 19:12 |
| gordonjcp | czajkowski: are you on 12.04? | 19:19 |
| * AlanBell hugs czajkowski, not your fault at all! | 19:19 | |
| Azelphur | Dam, Orange are really good at pulling out budget android phones | 19:19 |
| Azelphur | San francisco 2 looks pretty decent :o | 19:19 |
| Azelphur | the first version was always my recommended budget one, but the new one is the same price and just seems all round better :D | 19:20 |
| czajkowski | gordonjcp: yes | 19:21 |
| gordonjcp | czajkowski: ah, I'm using 11.10 | 19:22 |
| gordonjcp | czajkowski: I tried 12.04 but it was worse, and my machine hasn't really got a high enough spec for 12.04 | 19:23 |
| * daubers tries the DVD writing thing again | 19:24 | |
| czajkowski | gordonjcp: bummer | 19:26 |
| gordonjcp | I stuck two gig in it and it ran at somewhat less than 100% memory usage and about 50% swap usage | 19:28 |
| gordonjcp | but the graphics corruption was worse than even in the link I posted | 19:29 |
| AlanBell | gordonjcp: looks more like the font corruption Laney had than graphics corruption | 19:31 |
| AlanBell | except for the black blocks on the far right border | 19:31 |
| kvarley | I formatted my sd card to ext4 via gparted. Now it won't let me write/delete files/folders unless I am root. How can I change it so that anybody can change the stuff on there? | 19:51 |
| gordonjcp | AlanBell: it's a bit of both | 20:01 |
| AlanBell | kvarley: if you create a folder as root you can then chown it to your regular user | 20:19 |
| kvarley | AlanBell: I did chmod -R 777 and it seems to have worked | 20:20 |
| kvarley | AlanBell: Thanks though, I shall bear that in mind for future cards =] | 20:21 |
| AlanBell | 777 is probably not a good thing | 20:21 |
| * AlanBell frowns at octal permissions | 20:21 | |
| hamitron | AlanBell, what would you use? | 20:23 |
| AlanBell | hamitron: well maybe chmod ug+rw or something | 20:26 |
| hamitron | would that be the same as 660? | 20:27 |
| AlanBell | point being I don't like people talking about 777 or 644 or whatever because lots of people see that withough having the first clue what it means in terms of user group other / read write execute | 20:27 |
| hamitron | I only know the octal form, is why i asked | 20:28 |
| hamitron | :) | 20:28 |
| hamitron | I think the way you say is probably clearer and better to explain | 20:28 |
| AlanBell | 110 in binary is 6 in octal, but a heap of people don't know that and don't know that it is turning on r and w and off x | 20:30 |
| Azelphur | yea, I tend to always use the letters it makes more sense / is human readable | 20:41 |
| AlanBell | you get people saying "I just set everything to 777 and all my permissions problems went away" | 20:42 |
| Azelphur | haha | 20:42 |
| hamitron | I tend to use 644 or 755 | 20:42 |
| hamitron | but I remember reading a chapter on permissions in my first book on linux | 20:43 |
| hamitron | :) | 20:43 |
| Azelphur | On my desktop I don't really care too much as I'm the only user | 20:43 |
| AlanBell | sure, and by all means use octal yourself | 20:43 |
| Azelphur | On my server, I give it a seconds thought as to who should have access | 20:43 |
| AlanBell | just when explaining to other people I would always use the letters | 20:43 |
| hamitron | AlanBell, I will, just never thought about how it looks to someone else | 20:44 |
| Azelphur | when someone asks me about permissions I usually just explain how to read the output from ls -l | 20:44 |
| Azelphur | and then it becomes pretty obvious what's going on | 20:44 |
| AlanBell | yes | 20:44 |
| AlanBell | and then chmod ug=rwx or whatever actually ties up with that | 20:45 |
| hamitron | isn't there a way to do it in the GUI? | 20:45 |
| AlanBell | yes, if you have permissions to do it | 20:46 |
| AlanBell | then we get into running nautilus as root ;) | 20:46 |
| hamitron | :/ | 20:46 |
| AlanBell | now what should I get from the Chinese for dinner? | 20:46 |
| hamitron | chips! | 20:47 |
| AlanBell | philistine | 20:47 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | curry :-D | 20:47 |
| hamitron | hehe | 20:47 |
| hamitron | I got chicken and chips once.... well, it was called that | 20:48 |
| hamitron | chicken was really balls of rubber | 20:48 |
| AlanBell | ribs with salt and chilli and plain noodles are a given, but what main dish I wonder | 20:48 |
| AlanBell | beef in chilli oyster sauce perhaps | 20:48 |
| hamitron | isn't chinky food expensive for what you get where you are? | 20:49 |
| hamitron | the helpings look so small | 20:50 |
| hamitron | :/ | 20:50 |
| AlanBell | chinky isn't a nice word hamitron | 20:50 |
| hamitron | hmmm, sorry | 20:51 |
| AlanBell | just ordered it, £21.15 for two people | 20:51 |
| hamitron | that is my point | 20:51 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 20:51 |
| AlanBell | but it is yummy | 20:51 |
| hamitron | fish chips and mushy peas for £2.20 | 20:51 |
| monsterwizard | Do you think video and image editing should be done in media or art class | 20:53 |
| monsterwizard | and NOT ICT | 20:53 |
| hamitron | media I'd say | 20:53 |
| AlanBell | that was the problem with sticking that C in the middle of IT | 20:53 |
| hamitron | but I'd say it is nearer to ICT than something like Art | 20:53 |
| monsterwizard | Screw it | 20:54 |
| monsterwizard | Just teach Computer Science | 20:54 |
| hamitron | I'd just not teach it tbh | 20:54 |
| hamitron | well, only to those that choose it | 20:55 |
| monsterwizard | And perhaps teach spreedsheets in maths or accounting | 20:55 |
| hamitron | I actually used spreadsheets most in science | 20:56 |
| hamitron | if you start adding computers into Maths, you end up with people who can't add up :/ | 20:56 |
| monsterwizard | If I were in charge, I'd teach python or something similar. Get students used to other operating systems. And I'd teach Basic csa. | 20:57 |
| monsterwizard | Computer Science concepts are perhaps best left for the maths classroom | 20:57 |
| hamitron | why not C? | 20:57 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 20:57 |
| hamitron | a proper language | 20:57 |
| hamitron | or pascal maybe for the kids | 20:58 |
| monsterwizard | C maybe too complicated for people who don't want to in School | 20:58 |
| monsterwizard | pascal? | 20:59 |
| monsterwizard | mmmmm Python is more relevant. | 20:59 |
| monsterwizard | And good at teaching the basics. Perhaps getting to algorithms sooner | 20:59 |
| hamitron | I've never used Python for anything worthwhile | 20:59 |
| hamitron | ;) | 20:59 |
| monsterwizard | C maybe for A-level students | 21:00 |
| hamitron | tbh, do we really need all these programmers? | 21:00 |
| monsterwizard | No but we need more of them :P | 21:00 |
| monsterwizard | Surely people should know the basics | 21:00 |
| monsterwizard | Considering computers are so important. | 21:00 |
| hamitron | most people I know don't know how to word process | 21:01 |
| hamitron | ;) | 21:01 |
| monsterwizard | It's not the intention to make people into programmers. | 21:01 |
| hamitron | I'd say they need to learn to type a letter, before program | 21:01 |
| hamitron | and the younger generation who write letters to me for work, don't know how to spell | 21:01 |
| hamitron | heck, most can't even talk English without some misuse of some word that totally throws me | 21:02 |
| hamitron | "sick init?" ;/ | 21:03 |
| monsterwizard | Haha. | 21:03 |
| monsterwizard | Slang. | 21:03 |
| monsterwizard | Language evolves :P | 21:03 |
| hamitron | sick = bad | 21:03 |
| hamitron | or now it = good? | 21:03 |
| monsterwizard | Depends on he context. | 21:03 |
| * hamitron facedesk | 21:03 | |
| monsterwizard | Sick can mean good. | 21:03 |
| hamitron | how? | 21:03 |
| monsterwizard | For example, "Aww that football mathc was sick" | 21:03 |
| monsterwizard | Sick could mean, awesome, good, cool. | 21:04 |
| hamitron | that is just wrong | 21:04 |
| monsterwizard | Slang? | 21:04 |
| monsterwizard | Come onnnn. | 21:04 |
| hamitron | it sounds wrong, is wrong and always will be wrong | 21:04 |
| hamitron | ;) | 21:04 |
| monsterwizard | Nope. | 21:04 |
| monsterwizard | The English spoken 500 years ago, is that wrong too? | 21:05 |
| monsterwizard | Or is the English we'e using now 'more wrong'. | 21:05 |
| monsterwizard | we're* | 21:05 |
| hamitron | I am always right, whenever asked.... so yes ;D | 21:05 |
| monsterwizard | :/ | 21:05 |
| monsterwizard | Well I'm very sorry to hear that. | 21:05 |
| hamitron | but seriously, I have actually misunderstood people using "sick" wrongly | 21:06 |
| hamitron | "that was sick" ..... just confusing | 21:06 |
| hamitron | someone crapping their pants is sick, not good | 21:07 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 21:07 |
| monsterwizard | Sick can mean bad also | 21:07 |
| hamitron | so it means nothing now | 21:07 |
| monsterwizard | "That was just sick" | 21:07 |
| hamitron | :/ | 21:07 |
| monsterwizard | You should speak to different types of people I think. | 21:07 |
| hamitron | well, anyone who speaks stupid won't work with me for long | 21:08 |
| hamitron | communication is a key part to things working smoothly | 21:08 |
| monsterwizard | Haha. | 21:09 |
| shauno | I don't have a problem with slang so much; language does change. I just find it very difficult to work with people who can't tone it down when it's not the time/place for it | 21:10 |
| monsterwizard | I'd recommend adapting to peoples use of speech | 21:11 |
| monsterwizard | I don't mind doing tha | 21:11 |
| hamitron | I get told off weekly in here, for language I use | 21:11 |
| hamitron | :/ | 21:11 |
| hamitron | but people are weird here ;) | 21:12 |
| monsterwizard | I don't get it. Why don't you adapt to slang? | 21:12 |
| hamitron | I don't hear it | 21:12 |
| hamitron | or at least very rarely | 21:12 |
| monsterwizard | :( | 21:13 |
| monsterwizard | Where are you from? | 21:13 |
| hamitron | East Yorkshire | 21:13 |
| hamitron | but my clients are all older | 21:13 |
| monsterwizard | Oh come on. | 21:13 |
| monsterwizard | Yorkshire people are the worst for this :P | 21:13 |
| monsterwizard | How about local slang. | 21:13 |
| hamitron | local slang is normal and makes sense | 21:14 |
| popey | trolololololol | 21:14 |
| hamitron | all this black rapper stuff is just, weird :/ | 21:14 |
| monsterwizard | lmao | 21:14 |
| hamitron | I give up with it \o/ | 21:14 |
| monsterwizard | So you own a business? | 21:15 |
| monsterwizard | or at least in managment | 21:15 |
| hamitron | yep, and work for another also | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | does the guest session thing automatically clear all the cached stuff when you log out? | 21:46 |
| === lan3y is now known as Laney | ||
| Laney | did holmes go down? | 21:47 |
| popey | ali1234: yes, it has a home directory in /tmp which gets deleted | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | cool | 21:49 |
| Laney | holmes[.freenode.net] | 21:51 |
| jacobw | quit | 22:04 |
| jacobw | :p | 22:04 |
| * popey hugs directhex for http://rosskempfolds.tumblr.com/ | 22:13 | |
| czajkowski | lol | 22:14 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Nicholas Skaggs QA Blog - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/23/nicholas-skaggs-qa-blog/ | 22:15 |
| czajkowski | http://abstract.desktopnexus.com/cat/other/ | 22:15 |
| bigcalm | There's a lot of poop in there | 22:21 |
| czajkowski | http://animals.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/769931/ massive selection | 22:22 |
| gordonjcp | anyone got contact details for Andy Stanford-Clark? | 22:22 |
| gordonjcp | he's apparently in search of food in Glasgow | 22:22 |
| czajkowski | tweet him ? | 22:23 |
| czajkowski | ah you did | 22:23 |
| bigcalm | Cow Bride?! | 22:23 |
| czajkowski | blame jon | 22:23 |
| === Twinkletoes_ is now known as Twinkletoes | ||
| ali1234 | i don't understand this benefits cap thing | 23:38 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| ali1234 | specifically i don't understand the table at the bottom of this page: | 23:38 |
| ali1234 | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16675314 | 23:38 |
| ali1234 | i don't understand how two people can get £133.91 a week JSA | 23:39 |
| ali1234 | and i also don't understand how you could get tax credit when you are unemployed and therefore don't pay any tax | 23:40 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: thats very high, are you sure that's right? | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | no i'm not sure | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | like i said, i don't understand it | 23:42 |
| Azelphur | I'm on ESA which is the disabled equiv and I get like £55? | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | basically i don't understand how any household can get £500 a week in benefits unless they have 20 kids are both parents have absolutely crippling disabilities eg they are both deaf and blind and quadraplegic | 23:43 |
| jimmie | Possibly a bit of an odd question but does anyone here play Minecraft? Im having trouble with something on 11.10 | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | and i don't mean i don't understand it in a daily mail sort of way | 23:44 |
| Azelphur | yea that's crazy | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | i mean i don't understand how it is possible under the existing benefits system, after careful study of it | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | jimmie: yeah loads of us do | 23:44 |
| Azelphur | jimmie: I play minecraft and run a big server all on Ubuntu | 23:44 |
| jimmie | Perfect | 23:44 |
| Azelphur | XUbuntu 11.10 desktop, Ubuntu 11.10 Server :) | 23:44 |
| jimmie | Well, I installed it using a Minecraft installer script, and I dont believe I have a minecraft folder. | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | bleeeeeeh | 23:45 |
| jimmie | Not sure if that happens as a result of the script or im insane | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | dont use that script, it is silly and messes up your java | 23:45 |
| Azelphur | and pointless lol | 23:45 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: what does it do, install sun? :/ | 23:46 |
| jimmie | I had ho. Since thewebsite was down the other day so I couldnt get the jar | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | yeah and set it as default | 23:46 |
| jimmie | But the script managed to get it. | 23:46 |
| Azelphur | ugh | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | what i do is this | 23:46 |
| jimmie | Ill try it again | 23:46 |
| jimmie | Ho-hum | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | get the jar, and then run it java -jar minecraft.jar | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | then quit minecraft | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | then i put the jar file into ~/.minecraft/ | 23:47 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: great minds, did exactly the same thing | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | whenever i play i just run it from the terminal | 23:47 |
| Azelphur | I have a launcher | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | also, install optifine | 23:47 |
| jimmie | optifine | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | it makes it run much faster | 23:47 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 23:47 |
| jimmie | ? | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | it's a mod | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | Azelphur: does your launcher work properly? | 23:49 |
| ali1234 | cos mine doesn't | 23:49 |
| Azelphur | yep | 23:49 |
| ali1234 | unity cannot differentiate java programs | 23:49 |
| ali1234 | wait you don't use unity | 23:49 |
| Azelphur | :D | 23:50 |
| Azelphur | hmm there was some router from buffalo everyone recommended as a nice dd-wrt box | 23:50 |
| ali1234 | i have a DGND3700 now | 23:51 |
| ali1234 | expensive but amazing | 23:52 |
| ali1234 | the gbit ports actually work at full speed | 23:52 |
| Azelphur | yea, I have a WRT610N which is much the same, my friend wants a cheapo one | 23:52 |
| ali1234 | and it does both ADSL and external modem | 23:52 |
| ali1234 | WRT610N is i think the same thing but without ADSL | 23:52 |
| Azelphur | yea :) | 23:53 |
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