[00:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Hacking On Accomplishments - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/23/hacking-on-accomplishments/
[07:34] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:35] <Myrtti> moin
[07:40] <czajkowski> Myrtti: anythign nice planned this week ?
[07:40] <Myrtti> we've got a Jaiku meetup in Tampere to reminisce
[07:41] <czajkowski> cool, like meet ups always different people at them
[07:41] <Myrtti> yeah well I've met all these people before, it'll be more like a funeral wake than anything else
[07:42] <Myrtti> (Jaiku was shut down a week ago)
[07:43] <czajkowski> :/
[07:49] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:15] <daubers> Morning
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:23] <DJones> Morning all
[08:31]  * daubers feels like rubbish this morning :(
[08:33] <MooDoo> daubers: man flu?
[08:33] <daubers> MooDoo: Maybe. Lots of driving over the weekend + not much sleep more likely
[08:34] <MooDoo> oh dear :(
[08:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning peeps
[08:36] <MooDoo> morning
[08:40] <smittix> Morning
[09:00] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps!
[09:01] <bigcalm> I has Xoom \o/
[09:01] <popey> heh
[09:02] <bigcalm> Morning popey
[09:07] <danfish> lo
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: xooooooom!
[09:12] <bigcalm> Indeedie
[09:13] <bigcalm> Wow, the touch screen is so responsive. This is a completely different world from the poop cheepy tablet I bought before
[09:14] <oimon> i just discovered that sony use an ubuntu based splashtop on their laptops
[09:19] <bigcalm> Where's a davmor2 when you need one?
[09:20] <Myrtti> I can imitate one
[09:20]  * Myrtti pokes czajkowski 
[09:20] <Myrtti> there
[09:20] <Myrtti> :-D
[09:20] <bigcalm> :D
[09:21] <popey> oimon: interesting, got a link or anything?
[09:21] <MooDoo> lol @ Myrtti
[09:22] <czajkowski> Myrtti: oi lol
[09:22] <czajkowski> davmor2 doesnt come on till later in the morning
[09:22] <Myrtti> and suddenly, a wild davmor2 appears.
[09:23] <Myrtti> when I was in school we had this theory that if you mention some of the teachers by name, they appear as if by magic
[09:24] <czajkowski> Myrtti: ahh yes the bettlejuice effect :)
[09:24] <czajkowski> say it 3 times and they appear!
[09:25] <Myrtti> I thought it was candyman
[09:26] <Myrtti> I don't watch horror movies at all and thrillers only at home, so I'm not sure
[09:29] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: did you say you had a Xoom?
[09:30] <bigcalm> Myrtti: it was Beetlejuice. I think Candyman was 5 times (not seen it though)
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I do
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I've reflashed it with stock US firmware (there's a guide on xda-developer)
[09:31] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I was going to ask if you've been sent the OTA ICS update
[09:31] <bigcalm> But you've altered it from stock
[09:32] <bigcalm> I'm in no rush, just wondering when to expect it to update in the UK
[09:34] <hoover> good morning
[09:34] <bigcalm> Hi hoovie
[09:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all!
[09:38] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:41] <oimon> popey: no, a friend got it out on the train. instant-on system. i clicked on the ackowledgements and opensource info and they use a 2.6.x kernel, some elements of ubuntu 8.10 and mozilla browser with bing search
[09:42] <oimon> Sony models that have shipped with Quick Web Access (powered by Splashtop) include the following: • VAIO NW Series notebooks  • VAIO P Series netbooks
[09:43] <oimon> source is here: http://www.splashtop.com/opensource
[09:45] <hoover> hey biggie
[09:49] <popey> oimon: i didnt think splashtop was ubuntu powered, wondered what elements made you think it was
[09:50] <popey> haha the source 404's
[09:50] <oimon> popey: it was mentioned on the acknowledgements page with a list of elements used (busybox, kernel). it may just have been the wifi drivers from ubuntu
[09:50] <oimon> popey: yeah :(
[09:57] <oimon> my friend wanted to change bing as search provider on the browser but didn't seem possible. the instant on was very nice
[10:10] <popey> yeah, my acer revo came with it
[10:16] <bigcalm> Instant on? I never turned mine off to find out
[10:17] <popey> heh
[10:18] <oimon> i like to shut all my devices down at night
[10:18] <oimon> phone, tablet, laptop..
[10:18] <popey> are you 75 years old?
[10:20] <czajkowski> I only shut down laptop
[10:22] <bigcalm> I shut down laptops and workstations. Servers I tend to leave running
[10:23] <Daviey> 'workstations'..
[10:23] <Daviey> who has a 'workstation', these days?
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> My laptop auto-suspends after an hour
[10:23] <bigcalm> I do
[10:23] <oimon> it's nice to know devices are switched off :D
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> my tablet and phone turn "off" (screen off) and are on the charger at night
[10:23] <oimon> i don't leave stuff charging overnight
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> you must not have a smart phone
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> or not move much during the day
[10:25] <Daviey> bigcalm: is this yours, http://www.chuckc.net/images/labeledsetup.jpg ?
[10:25] <Myrtti> AND SUDDENLY A DAVMOR2 APPEARS
[10:25] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:25] <bigcalm> Not quite
[10:25] <davmor2> morning all
[10:25] <bigcalm> davmor2: welcome. No need to bring your Xoom on Thursday ;)
[10:25] <davmor2> Myrtti: you been talking about me again
[10:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: you got one then :)
[10:26] <bigcalm> Yep, arrived this morning
[10:26] <bigcalm> davmor2: have you put a non-stock rom on it?
[10:26] <bigcalm> s/it/yours
[10:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: Nope
[10:27] <oimon> MartijnVdS: my phone still lasts more than a working day, but i don't make phone calls
[10:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: just did updates
[10:27] <Myrtti> davmor2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/814138/
[10:27] <bigcalm> davmor2: good, so have you been sent ICS OTA?
[10:28] <davmor2> hahaha
[10:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: not that I'm aware of
[10:28] <Myrtti> that's almost good enough to go into the book
[10:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: just general updates
[10:29] <bigcalm> davmor2: ok, ta. Just wondering when I should expect ICS to be available in the UK
[10:29] <MooDoo> moring davmor2
[10:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: from what I understand they are rolling out samples in the US now Scandinavia seem to get it next with the UK after that
[10:32] <bigcalm> Daviey: this is my setup: https://plus.google.com/113834766641843352499/posts/ZfAXJ1PDpWz
[10:32] <davmor2> MooDoo: me awld mukka 'ow am ya bud
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I have :)
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: but as I said, on US firmware
[10:32] <bigcalm> Ah, I see!
[10:33] <MooDoo> davmor2: aye not bad, can't grumble.....too much
[10:34]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 
[10:34]  * MooDoo hugs davmor2 and pokes czajkowski 
[10:35] <oimon> does deprecated code still work? i.e. is it removed, or flagged to be removed? warning: ‘gtk_vbox_new’ is deprecated (declared at /usr/include/gtk-3.0/gtk/deprecated/gtkvbox.h:62): Use 'gtk_box_new' instead [-Wdeprecated-declarations]
[10:35] <davmor2> mines looking a little too untidy for a photo op at the moment but I have 5pc and a server into 3 kvms, 2 laptops and a netbook
[10:35] <matti> oimon: Yes, in most cases.
[10:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: 'ows the back sweetie oh and err PROD!
[10:35] <oimon> matti: hmm.. so removing Werror is bad then :D
[10:35] <matti> oimon: Yes ;p
[10:36] <gord> bigcalm, your room there looks exactly the same as the room i am in, down to the radiator and everything
[10:36] <davmor2> Myrtti: see you can get away with poking czajkowski but somehow it sounds wrong coming from a bloke Prods are the "PC" way forward ;)
[10:36] <bigcalm> gord: spooky
[10:36] <bigcalm> gord: same mess?
[10:36] <Myrtti> davmor2: I was just imitating you!
[10:36] <Myrtti> :-P
[10:36] <Myrtti> I did get an "oi" too :-P
[10:37] <gord> bigcalm, less banana's
[10:37]  * funkyHat pokes everyone
[10:37] <Myrtti> funkyHat: I thought I already took your cake away
[10:37] <gord> and more speakers
[10:37] <Myrtti> funkyHat: don't make me come for the beverage as well
[10:37]  * funkyHat giggles and runs away
[10:37] <gord> and more cats
[10:37] <davmor2> Myrtti: yes only czajkowski is being nice to me now as a new year resolution I might be down in London soon though so that will change :D
[10:37] <funkyHat> Myrtti: yes, the lack of cake is making me act up!
[10:37] <gord> i do have books making my monitors higher though
[10:38] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski?? nice??  nah that's not right :D
[10:38] <czajkowski> MooDoo: I'm always nice ask davmor2
[10:39] <MooDoo> davmor2: can you confirm that dubious statement from czajkowski ?
[10:40] <davmor2> MooDoo: her's trying but it always sounds like someone is holding a gun to her head when she says it :D
[10:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: what you given her to make her nice to you?
[10:41] <czajkowski> :(
[10:41] <MooDoo> czajkowski: is nver nice to me :( lol
[10:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: A new year apparently
[10:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: blimey.....
[10:41] <czajkowski> MooDoo: are you from northhampton?
[10:41] <MooDoo> czajkowski: nope
[10:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: deny it and run
[10:42]  * funkyHat is from Northampton
[10:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: damn i missed something there
[10:42] <davmor2> czajkowski: now as if he lives there
[10:42] <czajkowski> ah but you dont follow rugby and we thrashed them at the weekend :D
[10:42] <davmor2> ask
[10:42] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yes yes i am from northampton...definately
[10:42] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i'm a quins fan not a saints fan
[10:43] <davmor2> MooDoo: I thought you were in Nottingham :D
[10:43] <funkyHat> Rugby is less boring than most team sports, I suppose
[10:43] <directhex> pfft, northampton
[10:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes but i've an affinity with quins
[10:43] <matti> directhex: Is that entire Mono or just this one platform?
[10:43] <directhex> as someone who went to uni in southampton, there is only one thing northampton is good for
[10:43] <directhex> which is Buddies USA diners
[10:44] <directhex> matti, depends on whether boycottnovell has run a headline with the story yet
[10:44] <davmor2> directhex: is it War huuuu!
[10:45] <matti> directhex: Uhm.
[10:45] <matti> directhex: I see.
[10:46] <MooDoo> davmor2: perhaps i should be nice to czajkowski ?
[10:46] <directhex> matti, packages.qa reports a full-package removal, regardless of the specifics. and perhaps i know from experience that readers and editors of a certain website are incapable of fact checking, so won't actually check the bug being ANAIS, not RoM
[10:47] <matti> Haha
[10:47] <davmor2> MooDoo: I think she has a nicebot setup so when I say czajkowski prod! something nice is returned to be honest ;)
[10:48] <matti> directhex: The first thing I did was look at the bug.
[10:48] <matti> directhex: Does not seem like whole Mono will go.
[10:48] <funkyHat> directhex: I would have to agree. I was trying to think of something else but can't
[10:48] <MooDoo> davmor2: phew, well we need the real czajkowski i miss her!
[10:48] <matti> directhex: I was surprised as some of our internal development is making an effort to move from .NET on Mono.
[10:48]  * funkyHat has escaped to London
[10:48] <matti> directhex: So it would be funny thing if the support would go away :)
[10:49] <davmor2> funkyHat: that's easy just don't live, work or drive there it's a doodle to leave then
[10:50] <directhex> matti, mono needs to be formally removed from s390, otherwise 105 other packages keep trying to build with it needlessly
[10:50] <AlanBell> I expect the user of mono on the 31bit S390 will be up in arms
[10:50] <matti> directhex: That's fine and more than reasonable :)
[10:51] <matti> directhex: I am just worried about it on x86*
[10:51] <directhex> AlanBell, let me get the stats...
[10:51] <matti> directhex: I rather commit sepuku than end up in a position to keep on packaging Mono for my internal team.
[10:52]  * matti dislikes anything that touches Windows ...
[10:52] <directhex> AlanBell, well, only 15 s390 users have popcon installed...
[10:52] <matti> AlanBell: :)
[10:53] <AlanBell> directhex: I am quite impressed at the 15!
[10:53] <directhex> AlanBell, so 31.6% of Debian users across all architectures have Mono installed, meaning... 4.7 s390 users!
[10:53] <oimon> notice that 32-bit vs 64-bit is almost at tipping point on popcon.debian.org
[10:54] <directhex> i would be astonished if anyone was running s390 by choice rather than s390x
[10:54] <directhex> we're adding s390x packages to mono
[10:55] <oimon> logarithmic chart..hmmm
[10:55] <AlanBell> directhex: that is 3.7 more than I would have expected
[10:55] <directhex> AlanBell, you can prove anything with statistics :p
[10:56] <directhex> AlanBell, we also just fixed musicbrainz support when ripping cds with banshee on itanium. very important user base.
[10:57] <Laney> except that dbus is still broken
[10:58] <directhex> pfft dbus
[10:58] <directhex> why didn't we upload the fix for that?
[10:59] <Laney> you thought it might be wrong
[11:03] <directhex> i wasn't sure! i was seeking further comment!
[11:06] <Laney> well *i* dunno!
[11:06] <Laney> ask #mono ¬_¬
[11:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: there's part of my layout http://ubuntuone.com/7KmJOHbEYZ567Q0mZZYwmV
[11:12] <bigcalm> Looks noisey
[11:13]  * popey decides not to take a pic of his setup until it's tidied
[11:13] <bigcalm> popey: sensible
[11:13]  * gord is agreeing with popey 
[11:14] <davmor2> popey: that was mine pre usage it's a bit messier now bit's of paper with notes on scattered liberally :)
[11:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: the noisiest thing in that room is me :D
[11:17] <bigcalm> Hah
[11:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'll take that as agreement then :D
[11:21] <Myrtti> "Let this be a lesson for future generations: do not use Google Translate to translate Finnish and assume it does a good job." http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/kotimaa.shtml/2012/01/1482051/googlen-kaannoskukkanen-kaikista-paavoista-tuli-pesusienia :-|
[11:23] <gordonjcp> Myrtti: heh
[11:24] <davmor2> Myrtti: it doesn't do a good job on Brazilian/Portuguese?  either there were some hilarious incidents with a friends facebook comments :)
[11:24] <gordonjcp> Myrtti: I tend to work on the assumption that there are damn sight more Finnish-to-English translations than English-to-Finnish
[11:26] <gordonjcp> Myrtti: hence it probably does a better job of Finnish to English
[11:26] <gordonjcp> which still isn't brilliant at times
[11:26] <Myrtti> gordonjcp: I wouldn't use it at all if there receiving end doesn't understand any Finnish
[11:27] <Myrtti> or isn't atleast minimally knowledgeable about Finland
[11:27] <gord> http://ubuntuone.com/5rRghtDT2mJXGsSWbI6fXP - how gord lives
[11:35] <dwatkins> only two displays, gord? ;)
[11:36] <bigcalm> gord: spooky room. You even have the same web cam as me now!
[11:36] <oimon> http://ubuntuone.com/34gUnM0Ioa935DGnSoKWzt rather large orifice
[11:36]  * AlanBell thinks SpongeBob would be an excellent president
[11:37] <AlanBell> oimon: I want one of those aero chair things
[11:37] <AlanBell> aeron or something
[11:37] <oimon> very nice
[11:37] <bigcalm> AlanBell: they are worth it
[11:37] <oimon> last chair did my back in . never have problems with this one
[11:37] <gord> bigcalm, nah, this is a playstation eye
[11:37] <gord> bigcalm, can your webcam do 125frames per second? mine can!
[11:37] <bigcalm> gord: so is mine now :)
[11:37] <gord> oooh okay
[11:38] <bigcalm> gord: that photo of mine is from a while back
[11:38] <oimon> i feel motivated to tidy my office now
[11:38] <oimon> i thought it was tidy till i looked at the photo
[11:38] <gord> bigcalm, but you surely don't have a wookie protecting your systems
[11:39] <bigcalm> gord: I have a tux and a tardis on guard duty
[11:39] <gord> that'll never stop darth vader
[11:39] <gord> who is an ever present threat
[11:40] <bigcalm> True
[11:41] <dwatkins> http://ubuntuone.com/1hBYg1QZHYE3kjbqNnXCL6 is where I'm currently sitting
[11:45] <oimon> the next thread is gonna be the view from our window :D
[11:45] <dwatkins> if you like :) I can see the Pentland hills from here.
[11:46] <AlanBell> aeron chairs are still around £400 on ebay
[11:46] <dwatkins> 800 quid new, iirc
[11:46] <oimon> i always regret getting the charles eames chair from my former employer rather than the cheaper aeron type chair
[11:47] <dwatkins> how come, oimon?
[11:47] <dwatkins> I was lucky and managed to secure an aeron chair for working from home a few years back when they shut an office down
[11:48] <oimon> the charles eames chair was an expensive leather one from the board room. got it for prestige value, but the aeron chair i sat on every day was incredibly comfy
[11:48] <dwatkins> yeah, aerons are great, I'm sure my back problems would be worse if I didn't have them
[11:48] <bigcalm> Anybody here work standing up?
[11:49] <popey> i have a friend who does
[11:49] <bigcalm> Pondering if it's any good
[11:49] <oimon> i would be exhausted in 10 mins
[11:49] <bigcalm> aquarius: how did working standing up go for you?
[11:49]  * oimon is 75
[11:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: I know a couple of people that do
[11:49] <Myrtti> saddlechairs might be a good option to standup desks
[11:49] <Myrtti> expensive tho
[11:50] <ikonia> there are those desks which move up and down
[11:50] <dwatkins> I've tried working standing up, it's fine so long as the floor has some give in it
[11:50] <ikonia> you can sit down, then stand up and move the desk up with you
[11:51] <Myrtti> dwatkins: or you're wearing good shoes
[11:51] <oimon> i can't see any benefit tbh
[11:51] <dwatkins> indeed Myrtti
[11:54] <dwatkins> in some offices they have desks you can raise to a height you can use standing up
[11:54] <dwatkins> make sure the power cables are long enough, obv.
[11:54] <christel> back when my spine was shagged, i found that the cheapest solution was to use a massive gym ball as a chair
[11:54] <christel> it was comfortable and ensured good posture!
[11:55] <ikonia> dwatkins: I've just come from a site from those desks, they where very cool
[11:55] <christel> (and doubled as a toy for when bored)
[11:55] <dwatkins> ikonia: groovy, which country?
[11:55] <ikonia> christel: I sometimes do that at home, kicks the abs muscales in
[11:55] <ikonia> dwatkins: Sweaden
[11:55] <dwatkins> ikonia: I suspected that was the case
[11:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> dwatkins: I saw those at Ericsson in Stockholm in the late 90's  - a few hardcore Swedes used to use the "standing up" posture for work.
[11:55] <ikonia> note "just come back" = sometime in the last 4 months
[11:55] <dwatkins> a colleague of mine reported the same desks in Sweden, ikonia
[11:55] <ikonia> it just seems like yesterday
[11:55] <christel> ikonia: *nod*
[11:56] <ikonia> dwatkins: it was a good working atmosphere and useful way to work
[11:56] <Myrtti> back in 1999 we had those desks at school
[11:56] <christel> saddle chairs are also good
[11:56] <christel> i have one in the garage that i no longer use
[11:57] <Myrtti> ooo
[11:57] <Myrtti> sell it to me?
[11:57] <christel> you can have it!
[11:57] <Myrtti> :-o
[11:57] <ikonia> dwatkins: gather round a desk for something, stand up, sit down working alone, stand up for a bit of creative stuff
[11:58] <ikonia> AT&T in the states had them in their operations center too
[11:58] <ikonia> christel: shame on you, use it
[11:58] <davmor2> christel: do you own the side saddle variety, being as you are a LADY
[11:58] <christel> davmor2: hahaha
[11:58] <christel> ikonia: nah, i no longer "need" to use it so it's been "retired" :)
[11:59] <ikonia> christel: there is no need, push further
[12:00] <Myrtti> I have gym ball in my "chicken coop"
[12:00] <dwatkins> I had a knee chair once, you kneel on it
[12:00] <awilkins> My mum has one of those, which I had when I was a teenager
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> yes it cuts off circulation to your lower leggs
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> for me anyway
[12:00] <awilkins> It makes my shins ache
[12:00] <Myrtti> yeah I tried to use a knee chair, my knees didn't like it :-|
[12:00] <christel> dwatkins: ooh i used to have that when i was Much younger
[12:01] <awilkins> Gymball might be OK
[12:01] <davmor2> Myrtti: when you say gym ball do you mean a balance ball or a heavy gym ball?
[12:01] <dwatkins> yeah, it's fone for a bit but gets a bit tiring after a while
[12:01] <awilkins> Especially if I can get Jessica Biel to come and sit on it (like in "Stealth")
[12:02] <christel> davmor2: a swiss ball
[12:02] <Myrtti> davmor2: huge inflatable thera-band fitness/excercise/gym ball
[12:02] <ikonia> I want a Bosu
[12:02] <ikonia> but they are a real rip off
[12:02] <davmor2> christel: but those are made from chocolate surely
[12:02] <christel> i used a 75cm (30") as a "chair"
[12:02] <ikonia> I sit on a spike
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[12:03] <awilkins> I have an Ikea "Magnus" I think
[12:03] <awilkins> Was about 80-90 quid
[12:03] <awilkins> It has the mesh back, a leather seat, lumbar support
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> I have one of those as well
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> ♥
[12:04] <awilkins> Sometimes I use the floating back mode which does tone you up
[12:04] <davmor2> awilkins: I have a huge leather chair from stapples iirc that cost about £100 more than that but is still comfortable 5 years in
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: Markus I think? http://www.ikea.com/nl/nl/catalog/products/40103100/
[12:05] <awilkins> davmor2, My office is also like a chicken coop
[12:05] <christel> ikonia: i get bosu's pretty cheap
[12:05] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, That's the one
[12:05] <christel> as it's considered a "rehabilition product" so it's sold by several of my suppliers at cost
[12:05] <davmor2> awilkins: mines an entire room I guess that is the difference :)
[12:05] <awilkins> My only gripe is the left armrest is wobbly but I can't find the allen key to tighten it up
[12:06] <awilkins> davmor2, My office is also an entire room, but it's a really tiny one
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: any hardware/tool store has them
[12:06] <ikonia> christel: I'm interested
[12:06] <dwatkins> awilkins: I find those sets of hex-bits invaluable for many things
[12:06] <christel> i bought an extreme balance board not long ago, but david thinks it's a miniature zee-zaw
[12:06] <davmor2> awilkins: mines not huge 4x3 ish
[12:06] <awilkins> 4x3 m?
[12:07] <awilkins> I'd KILL for a 4x3 m office
[12:07] <davmor2> awilkins: Yeap
[12:07] <dwatkins> http://www.maplin.co.uk/33-piece-security-bit-set-11520 is what I have
[12:07] <dwatkins> ...somewhere
[12:07] <awilkins> I think mine is more like 3x2
[12:07] <oimon> i'm thinking of moving to a smaller office :D
[12:07] <oimon> i feel guilty having so much room
[12:10] <davmor2> oimon: I don't quite have enough I don't think.  /me need MOAR!
[12:10] <christel> ikonia: that can be arranged!
[12:11] <ikonia> xxxx
[12:15] <christel> i need to order a portable ultrasound unit thing so i can grab a bosu at the same time!
[12:22] <dwatkins> do you sit on a ball or a half-sphere with the Bosu?
[12:23] <dwatkins> looks like something I should get to improve balance and general core muscles
[12:26] <christel> the bosu (BOth Sides Up) can be used for a variety of execerises (stable or unstable depending on which way up you've got it) it#s also great for just adding some challenge to your normal excersizes -- but yeah, it's a balance training tool :)
[12:27] <dwatkins> nifty, looks like something I've used before in pyhsio for my back, will look into getting one
[12:27] <christel> yeah quite possibly, it's used a lot for rehab stuff by physiotherapists :)
[12:27] <christel> i do unstable squats on a bosu (so ball side down, flat bottom up) :)
[12:28] <dwatkins> yeah, my physiotherapist also suggested getting on of those big rolls
[12:28] <dwatkins> seeing the price of these, I think I'll wait a bit ;)
[12:28] <Myrtti> bosu? I need one
[12:29] <Myrtti> I was told by my physio years ago I need to a) get a better balance b) strengthen my ankles
[12:29] <christel> ah, a big foam roller? they are great!
[12:29] <christel> i use a rumbleroller (a bumpy one) now and again
[12:29] <dwatkins> I started doing Capaoera recently, but can't go at the moment having broken a toe (!)
[12:30] <dwatkins> that and swimming and cycling to work should sort me out in time :)
[12:31] <christel> what problems do you have with your back if you don't mind me asking?
[12:31] <dwatkins> mainly just stiffness, probably due to sitting and not getting a lot of e?cercise for the past 25 years ;)
[12:32] <dwatkins> occasional twinges, I gather it's quite common in people who work at a desk for a living and don't get a huge amount of excercise
[12:32] <christel> i used to have serious issues with my lower spine and found that weight training helped a tremendous amount as it built up sufficient muscle to keep stuff "in place" for longer :)
[12:32] <Myrtti> I feel so blessed for not having my back problems anymore
[12:32] <dwatkins> yeah, I gather strengthening the core muscles will help a lot
[12:32] <oimon> i slouch a lot, but seem to get away with it
[12:33] <gord> bigcalm, davmor2 - also in the vein of showing pictures from before, i feel the need to show off how nice and tidy my PC internals are ;) http://ubuntuone.com/2xQunhiHcLv5PUgXxepzMW - i can actually get at stuff without digging through cables!
[12:34] <bigcalm> Is there a need to open up your system that often?
[12:34] <dwatkins> I like cases with the PSU out the way
[12:34] <oimon> SATA improved things a lot in that area
[12:35] <popey> gord: your computer is upside down
[12:37] <gord> bigcalm, nope, but when i do i don't hate life
[12:37] <gord> popey, "better airflow" or something, there is a fan that pipes the bottom compartment into the main one, then there are three fans at the top to get rid of air in the main compartment
[12:38] <popey> sweet
[12:49] <directhex> i need to go & shorten my hair.
[12:49] <oimon> just slopped pasta sauce on myself before a big meeting
[12:50] <popey> cunning
[12:50] <directhex> claim it's the latest fashion
[12:50] <oimon> in attempting to clean it, the resulting wet patch is even worse
[12:50] <oimon> near my groin area
[12:51] <oimon> member of staff trying for 10 days to get a password reset with central helpdesk..pure dilbert
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> Still claim it's the latest fashion. With a straight face
[13:02] <Laney> wow
[13:02] <Laney> just got some epic screen corruption
[13:03] <czajkowski> Laney: I did up to last week then upgraded to lastest kernel and it was perfect again
[13:03] <Laney> http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/errrr.png
[13:04] <czajkowski> Laney: mine last week http://twitpic.com/85czwx/full
[13:04] <Laney> consistency :P
[13:05] <Laney> guess i should restart X ...
[13:20] <awilkins> Laney, Looks like a corrupted font table
[13:21] <awilkins> Laney, The same block of corruption r
[13:21] <awilkins> epeats for the same letter each tine
[13:21] <awilkins> I just have a corrupted touch-typing table, it seems
[13:22] <popey> 新春快乐 \o/
[13:22] <bigcalm> o.O
[13:23] <AlanBell> happy new year to you too
[13:23] <bigcalm> Ah
[13:23] <bigcalm> Googled it?
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> 茶 ?
[13:24] <bigcalm> Looks like a UFO
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it's "tea"
[13:25] <bigcalm> I see
[13:25] <bigcalm> mmm, tea
[13:25] <AlanBell> it is a simplified form of 樂
[13:26] <AlanBell> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E4%B9%90
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: uhm.. I posted http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E8%8C%B6 you posted http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%A8%82
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: none of those is http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E4%B9%90
[13:27] <AlanBell> so you did
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> oh wait, that's the last word in /topic
[13:28]  * MartijnVdS is stupid
[13:28] <AlanBell> google translate doesn't do the last one, I thought thats what you were querying
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> no, I was saying "tea" :)
[13:29] <AlanBell> 珈琲
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: 檸檬水
[13:30] <oimon> join #ubuntu-jp
[13:31] <popey> cn
[13:31] <oimon> ah
[13:31] <oimon> chomps on a mandarin
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> poor man
[13:31]  * popey fancies chinese for tea, bet they're all closed
[13:31] <popey> how dare they!
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> Chinese bank holiday? ;)
[13:32]  * AlanBell has crispy duck in the freezer, might have to get one out
[13:33] <oimon> show it to the chickens
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> "Lay eggs or else.."
[13:33] <oimon> "that's what happens if you mess with me"
[13:34]  * oimon was excused from the meeting, the stain was unrelated
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> oimon: "This is what happens to poultry that crosses an Alan"
[13:34]  * TheOpenSourcerer just had yesterday's left-over homemade Chicken Dhansak, Saag Aloo, Basmati Rice and Naan :-D Sprinkled with a Bhut Jolokia to give it some kick.
[13:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> It was lovely. Even if I say so myself.
[13:35] <oimon> were you playing jelly botty?
[13:51]  * daubers has almost finished the awesome Hackspace door authorisation system
[13:51] <daubers> \o/
[13:52] <Laney> rfid?
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> Oyster cards
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> ?
[13:52] <Laney> elaborate randomly generated maze
[13:52] <czajkowski> never leave home without one
[13:52] <Laney> sokoban
[13:52] <bigcalm> Knock 3 times?
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> Laney: nethack? :)
[13:52] <Laney> :-)
[13:53] <daubers> rfid cards
[13:54] <daubers> But I've built a rotating sign thing with GTK3 to have at the door so we can show what's going on and who's in the space \o/
[13:54] <daubers> all works with some mqtt based magic
[13:54] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Oyster Card saved me a fortune in London travel
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: by not working?
[13:55] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: nope worked fine
[14:08] <AlanBell> daubers: london hackspace lets you register oyster cards with the rfid reader
[14:10] <daubers> AlanBell: I know. We're doing it a bit different
[14:10] <daubers> More because we want people to have a token to show they're a member
[14:10] <AlanBell> ok
[14:11] <AlanBell> daubers: purely out of interest what is the approx cost of the rfid lock?
[14:11] <daubers> AlanBell: In total about £50-60 ish
[14:12] <daubers> That's for one unit
[14:12] <daubers> We're putting in 2, so is twice that (ish)
[14:12] <daubers> If we were making 100 it would be much much less :)
[14:13] <daubers> also would be cheaper if it was a standalone unit, and not networked
[14:46]  * daubers makes some coffee
[15:29] <smittix> Gnome-Tweak-Tool really needs options for changing desktop font
[15:43]  * daubers needs to figure out the best pay and go sim for a 3g dongle sending sms's once every few weeks
[15:44] <bigcalm> Sounds like a embedded security system
[15:47] <daubers> bigcalm: Ish, more for temperature/humidity monitoring. Want warnings on set levels
[15:48] <bigcalm> Ah
[15:59] <ahayzen> *** ahayzen changes theme and Pidgin crashes =-O
[16:08] <d3ngar> Hey
[16:08] <d3ngar> I seem to have a major problem with my laptop monitor: it doesn't show anything. It is connected and recognised though. Once Ubuntu boots, I can see stuff on the second screen
[16:08] <d3ngar> Any ideas?
[16:09] <directhex> d3ngar, at all? not even whilst booting?
[16:09] <d3ngar> The BIOS boot sequence is displayed fine
[16:09] <d3ngar> Everything thereafter is rubbish
[16:10] <d3ngar> Also, my system keep crashing because of a Kernel Module
[16:10] <d3ngar> dell_wmi
[16:10] <d3ngar> I don't know what it does, but I keep getting an error in dmesg
[16:10] <d3ngar> Can I somehow disable the module?
[16:13] <kvarley> "No caching mode page present" <--- I get that message on my netbook while doing an install from my SD card prepared by unetbootin. Any ideas?
[16:36] <christel> the ocado man looked exactly like AlanBell today!
[16:36] <christel> only he had a scottish accent
[16:36] <DJones> That could have been AlanMacBell
[16:38] <christel> hahaha
[16:39] <AlanBell> did he deliver some eggs?
[16:41] <czajkowski> christel: did you order 24 eggs
[16:42] <christel> haha
[16:42] <christel> he did deliver eggs!
[16:42] <christel> czajkowski: only 18!
[16:42] <christel> i didn't order ANY flour :p
[16:43] <popey> 18 eggs!
[16:43] <popey> blimey
[16:44] <bigcalm> o.O
[16:45] <czajkowski> ohh we're having pie tonight
[16:46] <d3ngar> How can I change the default kernel to load?
[16:50] <gord> eh, its not pie night
[16:51] <gord> its chinese night
[16:54] <popey> +1
[16:56] <christel> nooo it's ovenbaked rainbow trout night!
[16:56] <christel> with lots of yummy veg and herbs and creamy saucy goodness
[16:59] <gord> noo, its chinese night
[16:59]  * gord looks at the day
[16:59] <gord> chinese new year for those that don't know ;)
[16:59]  * popey points to the /topic
[17:01] <christel> oh fine, i'll give you that one! :P
[17:01] <christel> i will pretend that my trout is a dragon
[17:07] <Pendulum> christel: fish is apparently one of the favoured foods for Chinese New Year so I think you're fine not pretending it's a dragon ;)
[17:09] <christel> woop!
[17:09] <christel> :D
[17:12] <davmor2> christel: a fire breathing trout don't eat it become a T'interweb phenomenon
[17:13] <christel> haha
[17:14] <d3ngar> Is there a way of booting into an older version of the kernel?
[17:15] <Pendulum> christel: you could always teach David that trout is what a dragon is. Then he'll always believe dragons are real :)
[17:15] <christel> hahaha
[17:16] <davmor2> Pendulum: They are real don't tell me they're not I won't believe you :P
[17:27] <daubers> d3ngar: If your after an older kernal you've installed, you can just select if from the grub menu
[17:55] <gord> its absolutely fantastic that google chrome barfs out a bunch of annoying stuff on stdout, i love that, its not like i wanted to see anything in my terminal
[18:00] <popey> you run chrome from a terminal?
[18:00] <popey> don't you have some kind of launcher on your computer? :p
[18:01] <gord> yeah, but when you launch unity from a terminal, programs associate that terminal as their STDOUT
[18:01] <gord> so i get everything... very annoying
[18:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Looks fun, and it's a British company behind it. http://www.evi.com/
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[18:34] <gordonjcp> well now I have a new reason to dislike CM7
[18:37] <Hornet-> waiting for CM9 tbh
[18:37] <Hornet-> or rather my touchpad is
[18:37] <gordonjcp> Hornet-: doubt it'll run on an HTC Desire ;-)
[18:37] <gordonjcp> but failing silently if you decide you don't like doing TLS any more isn't really acceptable behaviour
[18:38]  * czajkowski hugs aquarius 
[18:40] <smittix> gah
[18:40] <smittix> bad day today.
[18:40] <smittix> Evening all
[18:40]  * aquarius is hugged
[18:44] <czajkowski> aquarius: well you get a hug and a wallop, hug cause I'f found a way to entertain myself  and a wallop as there is a bug only you seem to know why it does such a thing!
[18:46] <bigcalm> aquarius: work place day this Thursday at the Light House :)
[18:47] <aquarius> bigcalm, ah, thursday's out. day of meetings
[18:47] <aquarius> what bug?
[18:47] <aquarius> czajkowski, ^
[18:47] <bigcalm> aquarius: poop
[18:48] <czajkowski> aquarius: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-music-store/+bug/910921
[18:49] <AlanBell> haggis day on wednesday
[18:49] <aquarius> czajkowski, right, yeah. Sorry. That one's my fault, but fixing it is hard-ish.
[18:50] <czajkowski> aquarius: *wallop*
[18:50] <czajkowski> do you have any idea how flipping annoying that is
[18:50] <czajkowski> I'd 10 pages to do of 10 songs, from page 2 onwards it gets irksome!
[18:51] <AlanBell> czajkowski: middle click the links
[18:52] <czajkowski> aquarius: the other irritation which nobody seems to understand why is when you click download a song you cant click all 10 on a page to start to redownload it doesnt recognise
[18:52] <czajkowski> aquarius: on a track pad
[18:53] <gordonjcp> http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/corruptfont.jpg
[18:53] <AlanBell> left and right click together should do a middle click
[18:53] <gordonjcp> ^^ hmmm
[18:53] <czajkowski> gordonjcp: what kernel are you running ?
[18:54] <gordonjcp> Linux saito 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 7 14:50:42 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[18:54] <gordonjcp> I can't actually read that now so hopefully it'll make sense to you
[18:54] <AlanBell> 13:03 < Laney> http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/errrr.png
[18:54] <czajkowski> Linux sheldon 3.2.0-9-generic #16-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 13 20:46:38 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:55] <czajkowski> gordonjcp: so upgrading to that kernel removes that issue
[18:57] <gordonjcp> czajkowski: I'm going to have to bounce X to read that ;-)
[18:57] <aquarius> czajkowski, mainly because I never implemented that; having to redownload is meant to be very rare, so I didn't think about it needing to poke lots all at once
[18:58] <aquarius> czajkowski, do not middle click the links. Ignore AlanBell on this.
[18:58] <czajkowski> I'm unique :)
[19:00] <AlanBell> aquarius: I have every confidence I will be ignored ;)
[19:01] <AlanBell> seems to work for me though, I get lots of file downloads starting. I don't have two pages of music though
[19:02] <AlanBell> actually I am probably not understanding the problem
[19:03] <czajkowski> AlanBell: when I go past page 1 I get thrown bac to page 1 each time after I hit the download button
[19:03] <czajkowski> aquarius: can you at leas tack the bug exists :)
[19:03] <czajkowski> so I know I'm not going insane
[19:04] <AlanBell> yeah, I don't see how you have pages of music, I have to drill down by artist and cd title
[19:06] <czajkowski> AlanBell: music I've bought
[19:06] <AlanBell> under the files tab?
[19:07] <czajkowski> AlanBell: under bought/purchased music
[19:07] <popey> why are you visiting that page czajkowski ?
[19:07] <AlanBell> https://one.ubuntu.com/files/ I have a "Purchased Music" link there, but I think you are talking about something else
[19:08] <czajkowski> via banshee I am
[19:08] <popey> the bug isnt clear
[19:08] <AlanBell> aaaahhhhh
[19:08] <czajkowski> popey: I may ahve delete all my purchased music so trying to redownload them
[19:08] <popey> you dont mention banshee at all
[19:08] <czajkowski> true I had been discussing it hte last day in u1 channel so did leave that bit out in the bug my bad
[19:09] <AlanBell> that will be why I am giving you crap advice about middle clicking things
[19:11] <czajkowski> AlanBell: tis ok my fault for not being clearer to you
[19:12] <daubers> Evening
[19:19] <gordonjcp> czajkowski: are you on 12.04?
[19:19]  * AlanBell hugs czajkowski, not your fault at all!
[19:19] <Azelphur> Dam, Orange are really good at pulling out budget android phones
[19:19] <Azelphur> San francisco 2 looks pretty decent :o
[19:20] <Azelphur> the first version was always my recommended budget one, but the new one is the same price and just seems all round better :D
[19:21] <czajkowski> gordonjcp: yes
[19:22] <gordonjcp> czajkowski: ah, I'm using 11.10
[19:23] <gordonjcp> czajkowski: I tried 12.04 but it was worse, and my machine hasn't really got a high enough spec for 12.04
[19:24]  * daubers tries the DVD writing thing again
[19:26] <czajkowski> gordonjcp: bummer
[19:28] <gordonjcp> I stuck two gig in it and it ran at somewhat less than 100% memory usage and about 50% swap usage
[19:29] <gordonjcp> but the graphics corruption was worse than even in the link I posted
[19:31] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: looks more like the font corruption Laney had than graphics corruption
[19:31] <AlanBell> except for the black blocks on the far right border
[19:51] <kvarley> I formatted my sd card to ext4 via gparted. Now it won't let me write/delete files/folders unless I am root. How can I change it so that anybody can change the stuff on there?
[20:01] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: it's a bit of both
[20:19] <AlanBell> kvarley: if you create a folder as root you can then chown it to your regular user
[20:20] <kvarley> AlanBell: I did chmod -R 777 and it seems to have worked
[20:21] <kvarley> AlanBell: Thanks though, I shall bear that in mind for future cards =]
[20:21] <AlanBell> 777 is probably not a good thing
[20:21]  * AlanBell frowns at octal permissions
[20:23] <hamitron> AlanBell, what would you use?
[20:26] <AlanBell> hamitron: well maybe chmod ug+rw or something
[20:27] <hamitron> would that be the same as 660?
[20:27] <AlanBell> point being I don't like people talking about 777 or 644 or whatever because lots of people see that withough having the first clue what it means in terms of user group other / read write execute
[20:28] <hamitron> I only know the octal form, is why i asked
[20:28] <hamitron> :)
[20:28] <hamitron> I think the way you say is probably clearer and better to explain
[20:30] <AlanBell> 110 in binary is 6 in octal, but a heap of people don't know that and don't know that it is turning on r and w and off x
[20:41] <Azelphur> yea, I tend to always use the letters it makes more sense / is human readable
[20:42] <AlanBell> you get people saying "I just set everything to 777 and all my permissions problems went away"
[20:42] <Azelphur> haha
[20:42] <hamitron> I tend to use 644 or 755
[20:43] <hamitron> but I remember reading a chapter on permissions in my first book on linux
[20:43] <hamitron> :)
[20:43] <Azelphur> On my desktop I don't really care too much as I'm the only user
[20:43] <AlanBell> sure, and by all means use octal yourself
[20:43] <Azelphur> On my server, I give it a seconds thought as to who should have access
[20:43] <AlanBell> just when explaining to other people I would always use the letters
[20:44] <hamitron> AlanBell, I will, just never thought about how it looks to someone else
[20:44] <Azelphur> when someone asks me about permissions I usually just explain how to read the output from ls -l
[20:44] <Azelphur> and then it becomes pretty obvious what's going on
[20:44] <AlanBell> yes
[20:45] <AlanBell> and then chmod ug=rwx or whatever actually ties up with that
[20:45] <hamitron> isn't there a way to do it in the GUI?
[20:46] <AlanBell> yes, if you have permissions to do it
[20:46] <AlanBell> then we get into running nautilus as root ;)
[20:46] <hamitron> :/
[20:46] <AlanBell> now what should I get from the Chinese for dinner?
[20:47] <hamitron> chips!
[20:47] <AlanBell> philistine
[20:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> curry :-D
[20:47] <hamitron> hehe
[20:48] <hamitron> I got chicken and chips once.... well, it was called that
[20:48] <hamitron> chicken was really balls of rubber
[20:48] <AlanBell> ribs with salt and chilli and plain noodles are a given, but what main dish I wonder
[20:48] <AlanBell> beef in chilli oyster sauce perhaps
[20:49] <hamitron> isn't chinky food expensive for what you get where you are?
[20:50] <hamitron> the helpings look so small
[20:50] <hamitron> :/
[20:50] <AlanBell> chinky isn't a nice word hamitron
[20:51] <hamitron> hmmm, sorry
[20:51] <AlanBell> just ordered it, £21.15 for two people
[20:51] <hamitron> that is my point
[20:51] <hamitron> ;/
[20:51] <AlanBell> but it is yummy
[20:51] <hamitron> fish chips and mushy peas for £2.20
[20:53] <monsterwizard> Do you think video and image editing should be done in media or art class
[20:53] <monsterwizard> and NOT ICT
[20:53] <hamitron> media I'd say
[20:53] <AlanBell> that was the problem with sticking that C in the middle of IT
[20:53] <hamitron> but I'd say it is nearer to ICT than something like Art
[20:54] <monsterwizard> Screw it
[20:54] <monsterwizard> Just teach Computer Science
[20:54] <hamitron> I'd just not teach it tbh
[20:55] <hamitron> well, only to those that choose it
[20:55] <monsterwizard> And perhaps teach spreedsheets in maths or accounting
[20:56] <hamitron> I actually used spreadsheets most in science
[20:56] <hamitron> if you start adding computers into Maths, you end up with people who can't add up :/
[20:57] <monsterwizard> If I were in charge, I'd teach python or something similar. Get students used to other operating systems. And I'd teach Basic csa.
[20:57] <monsterwizard> Computer Science concepts are perhaps best left for the maths classroom
[20:57] <hamitron> why not C?
[20:57] <hamitron> ;/
[20:57] <hamitron> a proper language
[20:58] <hamitron> or pascal maybe for the kids
[20:58] <monsterwizard> C maybe too complicated for people who don't want to in School
[20:59] <monsterwizard> pascal?
[20:59] <monsterwizard> mmmmm Python is more relevant.
[20:59] <monsterwizard> And good at teaching the basics. Perhaps getting to algorithms sooner
[20:59] <hamitron> I've never used Python for anything worthwhile
[20:59] <hamitron> ;)
[21:00] <monsterwizard> C maybe for A-level students
[21:00] <hamitron> tbh, do we really need all these programmers?
[21:00] <monsterwizard> No but we need more of them :P
[21:00] <monsterwizard> Surely people should know the basics
[21:00] <monsterwizard> Considering computers are so important.
[21:01] <hamitron> most people I know don't know how to word process
[21:01] <hamitron> ;)
[21:01] <monsterwizard> It's not the intention to make people into programmers.
[21:01] <hamitron> I'd say they need to learn to type a letter, before program
[21:01] <hamitron> and the younger generation who write letters to me for work, don't know how to spell
[21:02] <hamitron> heck, most can't even talk English without some misuse of some word that totally throws me
[21:03] <hamitron> "sick init?" ;/
[21:03] <monsterwizard> Haha.
[21:03] <monsterwizard> Slang.
[21:03] <monsterwizard> Language evolves :P
[21:03] <hamitron> sick = bad
[21:03] <hamitron> or now it = good?
[21:03] <monsterwizard> Depends on he context.
[21:03]  * hamitron facedesk
[21:03] <monsterwizard> Sick can mean good.
[21:03] <hamitron> how?
[21:03] <monsterwizard> For example, "Aww that football mathc was sick"
[21:04] <monsterwizard> Sick could mean, awesome, good, cool.
[21:04] <hamitron> that is just wrong
[21:04] <monsterwizard> Slang?
[21:04] <monsterwizard> Come onnnn.
[21:04] <hamitron> it sounds wrong, is wrong and always will be wrong
[21:04] <hamitron> ;)
[21:04] <monsterwizard> Nope.
[21:05] <monsterwizard> The English spoken 500 years ago, is that wrong too?
[21:05] <monsterwizard> Or is the English we'e using now 'more wrong'.
[21:05] <monsterwizard> we're*
[21:05] <hamitron> I am always right, whenever asked.... so yes ;D
[21:05] <monsterwizard> :/
[21:05] <monsterwizard> Well I'm very sorry to hear that.
[21:06] <hamitron> but seriously, I have actually misunderstood people using "sick" wrongly
[21:06] <hamitron> "that was sick" ..... just confusing
[21:07] <hamitron> someone crapping their pants is sick, not good
[21:07] <hamitron> ;/
[21:07] <monsterwizard> Sick can mean bad also
[21:07] <hamitron> so it means nothing now
[21:07] <monsterwizard> "That was just sick"
[21:07] <hamitron> :/
[21:07] <monsterwizard> You should speak to different types of people I think.
[21:08] <hamitron> well, anyone who speaks stupid won't work with me for long
[21:08] <hamitron> communication is a key part to things working smoothly
[21:09] <monsterwizard> Haha.
[21:10] <shauno> I don't have a problem with slang so much; language does change.  I just find it very difficult to work with people who can't tone it down when it's not the time/place for it
[21:11] <monsterwizard> I'd recommend adapting to peoples use of speech
[21:11] <monsterwizard> I don't mind doing tha
[21:11] <hamitron> I get told off weekly in here, for language I use
[21:11] <hamitron> :/
[21:12] <hamitron> but people are weird here ;)
[21:12] <monsterwizard> I don't get it. Why don't you adapt to slang?
[21:12] <hamitron> I don't hear it
[21:12] <hamitron> or at least very rarely
[21:13] <monsterwizard> :(
[21:13] <monsterwizard> Where are you from?
[21:13] <hamitron> East Yorkshire
[21:13] <hamitron> but my clients are all older
[21:13] <monsterwizard> Oh come on.
[21:13] <monsterwizard> Yorkshire people are the worst for this :P
[21:13] <monsterwizard> How about local slang.
[21:14] <hamitron> local slang is normal and makes sense
[21:14] <popey> trolololololol
[21:14] <hamitron> all this black rapper stuff is just, weird :/
[21:14] <monsterwizard> lmao
[21:14] <hamitron> I give up with it \o/
[21:15] <monsterwizard> So you own a business?
[21:15] <monsterwizard> or at least in managment
[21:15] <hamitron> yep, and work for another also
[21:46] <ali1234> does the guest session thing automatically clear all the cached stuff when you log out?
[21:47] <Laney> did holmes go down?
[21:49] <popey> ali1234: yes, it has a home directory in /tmp which gets deleted
[21:49] <ali1234> cool
[21:51] <Laney> holmes[.freenode.net]
[22:04] <jacobw> quit
[22:04] <jacobw> :p
[22:13]  * popey hugs directhex for http://rosskempfolds.tumblr.com/
[22:14] <czajkowski> lol
[22:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Nicholas Skaggs QA Blog - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/23/nicholas-skaggs-qa-blog/
[22:15] <czajkowski> http://abstract.desktopnexus.com/cat/other/
[22:21] <bigcalm> There's a lot of poop in there
[22:22] <czajkowski> http://animals.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/769931/  massive selection
[22:22] <gordonjcp> anyone got contact details for Andy Stanford-Clark?
[22:22] <gordonjcp> he's apparently in search of food in Glasgow
[22:23] <czajkowski> tweet him ?
[22:23] <czajkowski> ah you did
[22:23] <bigcalm> Cow Bride?!
[22:23] <czajkowski> blame jon
[23:38] <ali1234> i don't understand this benefits cap thing
[23:38] <ali1234> specifically i don't understand the table at the bottom of this page:
[23:38] <ali1234> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16675314
[23:39] <ali1234> i don't understand how two people can get £133.91 a week JSA
[23:40] <ali1234> and i also don't understand how you could get tax credit when you are unemployed and therefore don't pay any tax
[23:42] <Azelphur> ali1234: thats very high, are you sure that's right?
[23:42] <ali1234> no i'm not sure
[23:42] <ali1234> like i said, i don't understand it
[23:42] <Azelphur> I'm on ESA which is the disabled equiv and I get like £55?
[23:43] <ali1234> basically i don't understand how any household can get £500 a week in benefits unless they have 20 kids are both parents have absolutely crippling disabilities eg they are both deaf and blind and quadraplegic
[23:43] <jimmie> Possibly a bit of an odd question but does anyone here play Minecraft? Im having trouble with something on 11.10
[23:44] <ali1234> and i don't mean  i don't understand it in a daily mail sort of way
[23:44] <Azelphur> yea that's crazy
[23:44] <ali1234> i mean i don't understand how it is possible under the existing benefits system, after careful study of it
[23:44] <ali1234> jimmie: yeah loads of us do
[23:44] <Azelphur> jimmie: I play minecraft and run a big server all on Ubuntu
[23:44] <jimmie> Perfect
[23:44] <Azelphur> XUbuntu 11.10 desktop, Ubuntu 11.10 Server :)
[23:45] <jimmie> Well, I installed it using a Minecraft installer script, and I dont believe I have a minecraft folder.
[23:45] <ali1234> bleeeeeeh
[23:45] <jimmie> Not sure if that happens as a result of the script or im insane
[23:45] <ali1234> dont use that script, it is silly and messes up your java
[23:45] <Azelphur> and pointless lol
[23:46] <Azelphur> ali1234: what does it do, install sun? :/
[23:46] <jimmie> I had ho. Since thewebsite was down the other day so I couldnt get the jar
[23:46] <ali1234> yeah and set it as default
[23:46] <jimmie> But the script managed to get it.
[23:46] <Azelphur> ugh
[23:46] <ali1234> what i do is this
[23:46] <jimmie> Ill try it again
[23:46] <jimmie> Ho-hum
[23:46] <ali1234> get the jar, and then run it java -jar minecraft.jar
[23:47] <ali1234> then quit minecraft
[23:47] <ali1234> then i put the jar file into ~/.minecraft/
[23:47] <Azelphur> ali1234: great minds, did exactly the same thing
[23:47] <ali1234> whenever i play i just run it from the terminal
[23:47] <Azelphur> I have a launcher
[23:47] <ali1234> also, install optifine
[23:47] <jimmie> optifine
[23:47] <ali1234> it makes it run much faster
[23:47] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:47] <jimmie> ?
[23:47] <ali1234> it's a mod
[23:49] <ali1234> Azelphur: does your launcher work properly?
[23:49] <ali1234> cos mine doesn't
[23:49] <Azelphur> yep
[23:49] <ali1234> unity cannot differentiate java programs
[23:49] <ali1234> wait you don't use unity
[23:50] <Azelphur> :D
[23:50] <Azelphur> hmm there was some router from buffalo everyone recommended as a nice dd-wrt box
[23:51] <ali1234> i have a DGND3700 now
[23:52] <ali1234> expensive but amazing
[23:52] <ali1234> the gbit ports actually work at full speed
[23:52] <Azelphur> yea, I have a WRT610N which is much the same, my friend wants a cheapo one
[23:52] <ali1234> and it does both ADSL and external modem
[23:52] <ali1234> WRT610N is i think the same thing but without ADSL
[23:53] <Azelphur> yea :)