[00:38] <len> astraljava: How do I download the new mudita24? I have to add a repo? Which one? Am I downloading a binary or src?
[00:55] <astraljava> len: The link is in the agenda, but it should http://packages.debian.org/sid/mudita24
[00:55] <astraljava> len: Scroll down the page, there are the download links to your arch.
[00:56] <len> astraljava: Thanks
[00:58] <astraljava> len: I have no idea whether the deps have changed much, so it might be a little hard if you need a long chain of those.
[00:58] <astraljava> len: I intend to install real debian sid on the machine where I have that card.
[00:59] <astraljava> But also precise, so I can catch any differences in the behaviour of the app that might exist between the distros.
[01:15] <len> astraljava: downloaded and installed in 12.04 US jan 21. No problems with depends.
[01:17] <len> It runs long enough to say "No ICE1712 cards found"... which is true enough. Gotta try it down stairs.
[01:20] <len> It installs a file in /usr/share/menu/ but we need a mudita24.desktop file to go in /usr/share/applications/ for it to show on our menu.
[01:21] <len> This is a problem with the current version in ubuntu too.
[01:45] <ScottL> len, we could file a bug against it and perhaps even in debian since we have synced from there
[02:39] <len_> astraljava: ScottL: Installed mudita24 1.0.4 and tried it out.
[02:40] <len_> I tried it side by side with envy24control.
[02:40] <len_> !st note: envy24control has the same problem a gcdmaster
[02:41] <len_>  It's old and I got this...
[02:41] <len_> Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated
[02:42] <len_> mudita24 1.0.4 has less bugs than 1.0.3 (slider sizes for example)
[02:43] <len_> Any control I move in mudita24 moves the same control in envy24control
[02:43] <len_> So they seem to point at the same stuff.
[02:45] <len_> The big difference I see is that mudita24 only uses -48db to 0db in the monitor section
[02:46] <len_> but envy24control uses more (60 db?) I don't know how much more as envy24 doesn't give db.
[02:47] <len_> So when the monitor control is moved from off to -48 on mudita24 (one step) envy24 shows a huge jump.
[02:47] <len_> this is true of both 1.* versions and I don't think it is a bug
[02:48] <len_> I think it was done on purpose (may have read that somewhere) to make the best use of the control length.
[02:49] <len_> Remember this is monitoring only. The adc and dac control go full scale.
[02:50] <len_> I will file a bug against mudita24 in ubuntu for the missing desktop file.
[02:52] <len_> I copied the above to the list.
[10:35]  * abogani waves all
[10:35] <abogani> I have just updated -lowlatency and -realtime kernels.
[13:48] <scott-work> i would like to get the LTS proposal resolved, does anyone object to me shooting an email to the mailing list later today so we can start discussion and get as broad of spectrum of feedback as possible?
[13:53] <scott-work> oh, and good morning everyone
[14:45] <ailo_> Good morning scott-work 
[14:46] <ailo_> I'm a popular guy in Debian Multimedia mail lists
[14:46] <ailo_> I sort of cross posted to three different mail lists about the same stuff
[14:46] <ailo_> I just find it hard to know where to post sometimes
[14:46] <ailo_> And it doesn't make things easy when people keep multiple mail lists for the same team
[14:47] <ailo_> I understand separating bugs from other posts, but it can get a little crazy too
[14:47] <ailo_> There's a discussion going on about audio group, and whether it should be renamed
[14:49] <ailo_> After thinking about it, I feel like it's time to push for having all normal users being members of that group by default
[14:49] <ailo_> If it would be done in Debian, then sooner or later I would hope most popular Debian/Ubuntu based distros would have it
[14:50] <ailo_> And that would be the end of realtime privilege configuration issues
[14:50] <ailo_> First I want to see where the discussion about whether or not audio is a proper name for the group ends up
[14:55] <scott-work> ailo_: i'm relieved to know that you are involved and pursuing this :)
[14:56] <scott-work> i remember there had been discussion about renaming this group as well, perhaps to "realtime" or something similar
[14:56] <scott-work> i think if all users were part of the "audio" group that it would design the problem away
[14:56] <scott-work> but i will defer those who know more about security, etc (which i expect to be the debian people)
[14:57] <scott-work> however, we still may need to make an ad hoc fix for this release (at least) WRT to new, additional users and the live users
[15:04] <ailo_> scott-work: Yeah, whatever changes are made in Debian will likely not end up in this release of Ubuntu
[17:46] <astraljava> ailo: Just a heads-up, alessio is pushing yet another version of mudita24 into sid. I'll poke you guys when it's landed. This time he's trying to fix the meters.
[17:46] <astraljava> I'd hilight len as well, but he doesn't seem to be online ATM.
[18:26] <ailo> astraljava: What about the meters?
[18:30] <ailo> astraljava: Are you reffering to this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=655708?
[21:29] <scott-work> astraljava: did you see my pm earlier?
[23:53] <astraljava> scott-work: Most likely not. The server had rebooted, so I've lost all that. Except, it could be logged. I'll look into that soon.