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technovikingcan someone send me a PM00:25
cjohnstonno00:31
dholbachgood morning07:52
dpmmorning all08:22
head_victimAnyone know a good point of reference I can point someone to that are asking about the ethical nature of "selling" ubuntu on ebay?08:59
head_victimNo matter, I just reread http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/licensing and saw it did actually cover that09:07
* popey spies someone trying to change the password on the ubuntudevelopers channel on youtube11:24
* popey wonders if it's jcastro or jono11:24
dholbachpopey, it was me, nevermind - I was too stupid to read the instructions properly11:29
popeyhaha11:29
czajkowskiq11:29
dholbachfor a moment it seemed to me like Google had moved off of "old youtube accounts" to google-accounts only and I felt like my Google account was not connected to the channel11:29
dholbachthen I found the "or youtube username" bit :)11:30
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cprofittdholbach: ping14:57
dholbachcprofitt, pong14:57
cjohnstoncprofitt: !14:57
cprofitthey cjohnston14:57
cjohnstono/14:57
cprofittdholbach: I added myself to the schedule for the lifecycle presentation... balloons is away right now14:57
cprofittlet me know if that needs to be moved14:58
dholbachNICE :-D14:58
* dholbach hugs cprofitt14:58
dholbachyou're a hero14:58
dholbachthanks14:58
cprofittthanks for thinking of me14:58
* cprofitt hugs dholbach back14:58
dpmhi mhall119, good morning, do you know someone who'd be able to answer http://askubuntu.com/questions/95956/creating-a-unity-lens-the-name-activation-does-not-exist-in-the-context-of-u15:17
mhall119dpm: it just so happens I had to find that answer this morning, I'll answer it15:37
dpmmhall119, excellent :)15:37
mhall119dpm: developer.u.c has C and Python api docs, why not vala?15:37
dpmmhall119, we've only got the main languages there, and giraffe, the tool that creates the docs from the gobject-introspection .gir files only supports C and Python for now.15:40
mhall119vala isn't a main language?15:47
mhall119It's one the files and application lenses are written in isn't it?15:47
dpmYes, but that's for the shell -e.g. we don't have C++ docs, either-. For app developers, we currently recommend Python.15:48
dpmI agree that it would make sense, but at the time of setting up the docs infrastructure, the priorities were Python and C for Unity API documentation15:49
dpmand since there hasn't been any update to giraffe since then, there haven't been any new languages to support as an output15:50
mhall119dpm: answered15:52
dpmmhall119, thanks!15:53
jcastrohello16:00
s-foxPing dholbach16:01
dholbachs-fox, heya16:01
dholbachI got your mail16:01
dholbachthanks a bunch16:01
s-foxNo worries. I don't know what info you want though dholbach .16:01
jcastros-fox: hey so someone volunteered16:02
jcastroI will send a mail today16:02
s-foxjcastro, good show. who?16:02
dholbachs-fox, let me look it up real quick and mail you back16:02
s-foxOkay, brilliant. Thank you.16:02
dholbachs-fox, thank YOU16:02
jcastroChris Kempson16:03
mhall119jcastro: where's my bounty money?16:06
s-foxEmail received dholbach . I'll work with the rest of the forum council and hopefully get this to you as soon as possible. When do you need it by?16:07
jcastrowaiting for him to accept the answer16:07
jcastromhall119: and it always makes me wait 24 hours anyway16:07
* mhall119 is like dog the bounty hunter16:07
dholbachs-fox, don't kill yourself doing it, but sometime soon would be nice - maybe Mike still can let you know which buttons to press to get it :)16:08
cjohnstonmhall119: just point everyone to askjorge.info16:08
mhall119cjohnston: it's not longer his job though, where's my askmichael.info ?16:08
cjohnstonaccording to Jane, it is16:08
s-foxdholbach,  I can probably start on it tomorrow evening. I'd start today but I have to prep for a php dev job I am going for tomorrow.16:08
cjohnstonThe way I understood it was thats the job of all the community team ;-)16:09
dholbachs-fox, cool, maybe somebody else can help with it as well16:09
dholbachs-fox, thanks a lot16:09
dholbachmhall119, jcastro, dpm, balloons: awake? team meeting time :)16:09
cjohnstonmhall119: buy your own domain16:09
mhall119dholbach: awake and caffinated16:09
mhall119cjohnston: I see how it is16:09
dholbach#ubuntu-meeting is taken by the server team16:09
* cjohnston has the sudden urge to pop a balloon16:09
dholbachso let's just do it in here16:09
dholbach#startmeeting16:09
cjohnstonmhall119: i already got him. its not fun to do it again16:09
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Jan 24 16:09:58 2012 UTC.  The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.16:09
meetingologyAvailable commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired16:09
dholbach#topic roundtables16:10
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mhall119dholbach: do we have any kind of agenda?16:10
dholbachI think we'll just do the roundtables to get everybody on the same page, then see what kind of other business it generates16:10
dholbachand if you have questions, just ask16:10
dholbachI have my notes in front of me, so I can go first :)16:11
dholbach#topic update daniel16:11
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: update daniel
dholbachit's been a while since the last meeting, so here goes:16:11
dholbach - Patch pilots: added Herton, piloted myself, set up schedule for next month, reminded everyone of getting back to it.16:11
dholbach - UDW: call for sessions, almost done with the schedule.16:11
dholbach - Dev Advisory Team: team call, organisation of notes, reached out to both new contributors and folks who might be ready for upload rights, wiki docs up to date, moved some parts to trello.16:11
dholbach - ARB: discussion with dpm and mvo about further plans, review of ARB queue, catch-up call, call with Michael Nelson about PPA submissions, casted some new ARB members.16:12
dholbach - Development docs: submitted an article to Linux Magazine, merged Packaging Guide fixes.16:12
dholbach - Dev News Team: split up responsibilities, wrote dev updates, started interviews with software-center team, Edubuntu team and others.16:12
dholbach - Harvest: finally got access to the logs, fixed two bugs, asked IS to deploy, hopefully soon up and running again, together with Andrew Starr-Bocchichio deployed Fedora patches data feed. Now just need pgbouncer installed to hopefully resolve the problems we had a while ago.16:12
dholbach - Talked with Michael Hall about patch piloting in other teams, provided Michael with a couple of scripts to help.16:13
dholbach - CC: organised IRC Council restaffing, dealt RMB Asia/Oceania quorum issues - mailed general thoughts to RMBs/CC. CC meeting + private call, assisted with German team IRC channels.16:13
dholbach - Stats: got access to ubuntuwire, investigating Ultimate Debian Database data.16:13
dholbach - Took remaining holidays + swap days. Platform team rally. Catch up with email. Almost there.16:13
dholbach - Misc: had a look at a2png+metapixel for generating some graphics.16:13
dholbachAny questions?16:13
* mhall119 feels like he should have written all this out already, to copy/paste16:14
jcastrohey about the ARB queue16:14
jcastroany new apps?16:14
jcastrothat made it through I mean16:14
mhall119jcastro: looks like we had some additiona lenses16:14
mhall119davidcalle's utility lens I think16:14
dholbachAFAIK there's 2 lenses which came in, and lots of clean up in the queue16:14
dpmjcastro, yes, the utilities lens16:14
dpmand the sshsearch lens16:14
jcastroNICE!16:14
dpm\o/16:15
dholbachsshsearch looks like a typo :)16:15
dpm;)16:15
dholbachok, who wants to go next? jcastro?16:15
dholbach#topic update jorge16:15
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: update jorge
jcastrohi everyone16:15
jcastroI just came back from all-weekend long SCaLE16:16
jcastroand got a bit sick but I'm powering through it.16:16
snap-ljcastro: Con-crud?16:16
mhall119scale flu16:16
dholbach:-(16:16
jcastro- Did 3 events, first was my talk on Unity16:16
balloonsfeel better jcastro -- that was alot of travel16:16
snap-lHope you feel better16:16
dholbachjcastro, hope you get well soon again!16:16
jcastrowhich I was surprised at how positive it was, I was expecting to be flamed, but it was awesome16:16
jcastrothen we ran a 3 hour long charm school16:16
jcastrowhich Clint mostly ran, I gave away shirts, etc.16:16
snap-ljcastro: I think people are over the "Unity sucks" phase16:16
snap-lNow we're gearing up for HUD sucks. ;)16:17
jcastroMike Basinger started a phpbb charm16:17
jcastroand finished /and submitted/ a charm for salt16:17
dholbachnice16:17
jcastrowhich is nice, not bad for a guy who learned what a charm was the same weekend16:17
snap-lsweetness16:17
jcastrolast talk was my general juju talk, which was packed!16:17
jcastrostanding room only in the back16:17
jcastroClint really did a great job with the demo16:17
jcastroand we were swamped with questions16:17
snap-ljcastro: We're planning a charm school at CHC for the long-edition16:18
jcastroFound out disney uses ubuntu! and we saw the rasberry pi running XBMC at 1080p.16:18
balloonsjcastro, that's awesome news16:18
jcastroMet the guy who started jenkins16:18
mhall119the disney news was pretty cool, I wan't to find out more about that16:18
jcastrohe was happy to hear how we use it, and asked if we could tell the world about (hint hint balloons)16:18
jcastroother than that16:18
jcastrothis week will be finalizing the plans for charm school at Strata16:18
jcastroand the million things on my trello board16:19
jcastroother than that, good to be back!16:19
snap-ljcastro: Recommend a heavy dose of Iron Maiden's "The Trooper"16:19
dholbachany more questions for Jorge?16:19
mhall119so does Ubuntu run on rasberry pi?16:19
mhall119I didn't think we supported teh ARMv6 it had16:19
dholbachjcastro, thanks a bunch16:20
balloonsjcastro, hmm.. let me know his details, we'll sync up16:20
dholbachballoons, do you want to go next?16:20
jcastromhall119: I don't know, but it was awesome16:20
dholbach#topic update nicholas16:20
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balloonsalright, I liked dholbach's bullet style so we'll do that a fire away16:21
balloons-setup blog and wrote introduction post to everyone, saying hello world16:22
balloons-reached out and met lots of cool folks working on "QA" stuff for ubuntu. ubuntu friendly. u+1, ubuntu bugsquad, platform qa, canonical qa team16:22
balloons-worked with mhall119, jcastro and stefano on caseconductor charm. hoping to get charm running as soon as mozilla folks finish coding case conductor16:23
mhall119nigelb: ^^16:23
* nigelb looks around innocently.16:24
balloons-met and setup meeting with mozilla folks (thanks nigelb for pointing me to irc.mozilla.org) to discuss requirements and needs for case conductor16:24
balloons-learned a bit about meetingbot and successfully managed to host a meeting :-)16:24
dpmgood work!16:25
dholbachwow, congratulations! :)16:25
balloonsI think that's about it..16:25
dholbachI'm still wondering if the command I just typed was the right one ;-)16:25
dholbachgreat work balloons, good to see you're getting to know everyone :)16:25
dholbachany more questions for balloons?16:25
dholbachmhall119, want to go next?16:26
mhall119sure16:26
dholbach#topic update michael16:26
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: update michael
mhall119- updated dholbach's bug_stats to include MP stats for unity, nux and compiz16:26
mhall119- worked with dpm and aquarius to remove couchdb recommendations from the developer portal and ubuntu one developer pages16:27
mhall119- cleanup/update Unity API documentation on the wiki16:28
mhall119- met up with the Ubuntu TV team, started the process of providing community contributors an easy way of getting started hacking on UbuntuTV16:28
dholbachnice :-)16:29
mhall119dholbach: I'd like to do the intro for Saviq at UDW, btw, to try and prevent his entire session from devolving into a "Why did you make it in secret" flamewar16:29
dholbachsure16:30
mhall119- worked with cjohnston and linaro members on planning enhancements for summit16:30
cjohnstonyay16:30
dholbach(I'll add your name to the schedule, so I remember to add you as a helper/speaker/host/whateveritis)16:30
mhall119- started lens creation guinelines with johnlea and davidcalle to prevent the proliferation of per-source lenses16:30
mhall119dholbach: thanks,also I'll take a full hour for my tech overview, that'll make me run up against saviq's session anyway16:31
dholbach:-)16:31
dholbachawesome16:31
mhall119- Got SUMO running on a test instance, began the process of evaluating it for our needs16:31
cjohnstonmhall119 is trying to become a sumo wrestler16:32
mhall119- Spoke with thumper about implementing a patch pilot and other ways to improve community collaboration and involvement with the DX team16:32
mhall119- Started the process of moving everybody out of #ayatana and into #ubuntu-unity channels16:33
dholbach+1 for more patch pilot coverage :)16:33
mhall119- misc work with the dx team to cleanup and improve the documentation and examples out there for unity16:33
mhall119that's it for me16:34
dholbachthanks a bunch mhall11916:34
dholbachquestions for mhall119?16:34
dholbachdpm, ready?16:35
dholbach#topic update david16:35
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: update david
dpmyes!16:35
dpm- Post Budapest rally catch up16:35
dpm- Worked with dholbach, the ARB and others to review and clean up the ARB queue16:35
dpm- Contacted Kazam developers to ask them if they want to submit their app to developer.ubuntu.com - any other suggestions for apps to add to the Software Center are welcome! ;)16:35
dpm- Re-enabled automatic language pack generation for Precise16:36
dpm- Translations team meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Meetings/2012-01-1916:36
dpm- Worked with ant from the web design team to provide an internationalization infrastructure to the Ubuntu Online Tour. See it now in Simplified Chinese ;) http://www.ubuntu.com/16:36
dpm- Postponed a bunch of developer.ubuntu.com work items - there are no web design team resources available for phase 2 this cycle, so we'll be going on maintenance mode this cycle and start phase II on the next16:36
dholbachI can't read it, but it looks just great :)16:37
dpm新春快乐16:37
dpmso happy new year! :-)16:37
dholbachdpm, so you picked up a new hobby? :)16:37
dpm:-)16:38
dpmenough languages16:38
dpmI'm still considering learning a new one16:38
dpmbut Chinese would be too hard for me16:38
dpmperhaps Arabic...16:38
dpmanyway :)16:38
dpm- Revived a conversation with the im-config (a package to switch input methods) upstream developer to migrate to im-config in Ubuntu16:38
dpm- Refined the documentation on how to create localized images: http://askubuntu.com/questions/95190/what-is-an-ubuntu-localized-image-and-how-do-i-create-one16:38
dpm- Worked on a proposal to help localizing ubuntu-docs images16:39
dholbachyeah, anything but French - it would get seb128 closer to his plan of making it the official language of Ubuntu :-P16:39
dpmyeah, he even got as far as getting rickspencer3 to talk French!16:39
dpm- Started working on a new tutorial with Quickly for developer.ubuntu.com (still WIP, getting back in touch with development and getting to know PyGI)16:40
dpmand I think these were the main things16:40
dpmany questions?16:40
dholbachnice, good work dpm - it was great to work with you on the ARB bits16:40
dpmsame here :)16:41
* dpm hugs dholbach16:41
* dholbach hugs dpm back16:41
dholbachwith Jono partly on holidays and partly in a meeting with some web team, I guess we can conclude the roundtables section16:41
jonosorry folks16:41
jonothanks dholbach for coordinating this16:41
mhall119he's on holiday-meetings16:41
jonomy call has finished and I am waiting for my next one now16:42
dholbachok, let's conclude the roundtables then16:42
dholbach#topic other business16:42
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: other business
mhall119jono: your definition of 'holiday' needs some work16:42
nigelbhaha16:42
dholbachis there anything you want to bring up? discuss? good news? stuck somewhere? anything else?16:43
jonomhall119, LOL16:43
nigelbmhall119: Its the day in which he has only 8 hours of meetings.16:43
jonodholbach, I am pretty good, no topics to raise right now16:43
jonoanyone else?16:43
balloonsnothing here16:44
dholbachif anyone has some spare speaker for UDW up their sleeve, let me know - if not, I'll go and recruit some for my 4 empty slots now :)16:44
dpmI'm good too16:44
jonoI have one thing16:44
jonoso what does everything think of the HUD?16:44
cjohnstonlooks cool16:44
dholbachyeah, same here, I can't wait to play around with it16:44
ahayzenlooks very good :)16:44
jonoawesome16:45
jonoI have been playing with it16:45
jonoit is pretty cool16:45
jonoI think it might be in the PPA now16:45
mhall119HUD looks cool16:45
jonoindicator-appmenu16:45
jononot sure though16:45
jonofolks can ask tedg in #ubuntu-unity16:45
dholbachhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/how-to-install-unitys-hud-feature-in-ubuntu-12-04/16:46
mhall119I'll be sure to talk about it during UDW16:46
dholbachnice16:46
balloonsmake that 3 slots open.. lol16:46
* dholbach hugs mhall11916:46
koolhead17hi all16:46
dholbachballoons, mhall119 is already sufficiently involved in UDW ;-)16:46
dholbachok, I think that's a wrap :)16:46
dholbach#endmeeting16:46
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: "Work Items: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-community.html || Community Trello: http://goo.gl/n4or5 (experiment) || Things to work on (in order): work items || dpm's channel: http://goo.gl/o2IR5"
meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Jan 24 16:46:56 2012 UTC.16:46
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-01-24-16.09.moin.txt16:46
mhall119balloons: yeah, I'm adding to one of my existing 2 sessions16:47
balloonsmhall119, I figured as much.. I had to poke anyway16:47
jcastromhall119: we need to chat soonish today16:47
mhall119balloons: you should hang out in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat next week, so you'll know how to run a session for the next time16:47
mhall119jcastro: sure thing, let me finish installing HUD ;)16:48
balloonshud is invoked merely by pressing 'alt', n'est pas?16:49
mhall119oui16:49
snap-lDoes HUD intercept alt-commands intended for terminals (for things like IRSSI / Weechat?)16:52
dpmballoons, would you have a few minutes to talk about the "test cases for localized images" work item?16:54
mhall119snap-l: I think only in the way that the global menu did16:54
mhall119but i'm still installing it16:54
balloonsdpm, sure..16:55
balloonslet me pull up the blueprint16:55
dpmcool. balloons, if you've got some time now, we could do a hangout, which I think will be much quicker.16:56
balloonsyes, lets16:56
dpmok, let me set it up...16:57
mhall119snap-l: HUD seems to ignore Alt+<key>16:58
dpmballoons, ok, invite sent16:58
mhall119only tapping alt will bring it up16:58
jonois planet ubuntu having some problems?17:03
s-foxjono,  bit slow but does load17:04
jonothanks s-fox17:04
s-foxOf course down for me says it is down. lol http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://planet.ubuntu.com/17:05
jcastroyeah it's twitchy today17:05
jcastroah guys17:08
jcastrojohn oxton is the cause of our WI problems17:08
jcastrohe had a bunch and wasnt' aware how to use that17:08
jcastroso I should have that fixed soon17:08
snap-lmhall119: Ah, interesting17:12
mhall119wi problems?17:21
jcastrohttp://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-community.html17:22
jcastrowe are close17:22
mhall119jcastro: should any of those be assigned to me?17:25
jcastroI don't think so, I am not sure though17:28
jcastroanyway, aha, looks like he figured it out, that's probably how we got back under17:29
balloonsjcastro, mhall119 caseconductor guys say we can do a test deploy of our charm at this point. The app should be able to come up (although it's not usable). I'd like to get something on the calendar this week to do a test deploy to canonistack17:33
jcastroballoons: ok, can you liaise with stefano?17:33
balloonsi can -- when is he usually around?17:34
jcastrohe's on central europe time17:35
jcastrobut I am unsure how around he is on irc17:35
jcastroI will mail you his email17:35
balloonsthanks17:35
mhall119wow, that's an old card/w 3617:37
mhall119bah17:37
jcastroI keep getting a call error17:42
dpmok, calling it a day, but staying on irc for a while...17:50
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mhall119jcastro: when do you want to get together with balloons?17:55
jcastrowhenever17:56
mhall119right now?17:56
jcastroI am slammed with a bunch of time sensitive things right now, can we discuss this tomorrow?17:56
jcastrooh, I thought you meant physicially?17:56
mhall119I did17:56
mhall119:)17:56
mhall119tomorrow is fine17:57
mhall119oh, and in the second between your list of tasks, can you give some thought to charming summit?17:57
jcastroSure17:58
jcastro"Do it!"17:58
jcastro:)17:58
dholbachdinner time - see you all tomorrow18:02
s-foxGoodbye.18:03
balloonsmarkshuttleworth.com down? weird19:07
mhall119overloaded perhaps19:10
jcastroI think he needs to move to the cloud21:22
mhall119not enough dragons in the cloud21:27
pleia2why not? dragons have wings!21:27
scott-work_cjohnston: i thought that work items were to be tied to launchpad account names?21:27
mhall119pleia2: yeah, but only charming ones get to the clouds21:28
scott-work_cjohnston: re: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-misc-improvements21:28
pleia2mhall119: oh, I see21:28
cjohnstonthey do21:28
jcastrowe have a mediawiki charm21:28
mhall119jcastro: where's the summit charm?21:29
cjohnstonwhat you put in wasn't a lp name21:29
jcastromhall119: make one?21:29
mhall119not my job21:29
cjohnstonlol21:29
mhall119you're the cloud guy, cjohnston is the summit guy21:29
jcastroso you're saying cjohnston isn't doing his job?21:30
* jcastro snickers21:30
mhall119yeah, he's spending all his time doing nigelb's job21:30
pleia2cjohnston: btw: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2012-January/001878.html21:30
cjohnstonjcastro: get me a few paychecks21:30
pleia2cjohnston: so people know it exists now, I'll wait until word from Arwen about a dinner plan21:30
cjohnstonpleia2: email me the link please21:31
pleia2k21:31
scott-work_cjohnston: hmmm, i thought it was, sorry for the confusion21:31
mhall119cjohnston: I'll give you all the paychecks you want, just tell me how many zeros to put in front of the decimal21:31
* scott-work_ wonders if something changed or he just made a dumb mistake21:31
cjohnstonmhall119: a 1 and then 17 0s21:34
cjohnstonbbl21:34
mhall119I only said zeros21:37
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