[06:49] <YoBoY> good morning
[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[09:55] <czajkowski> hmmm how is spam getting to loco contacts list 
[09:55] <czajkowski> I'm a modertor and not approving it 
[11:25] <head_victim> czajkowski: are they subbed?
[11:28] <czajkowski> not sure trying to find out 
[18:42] <h00k> so, we have a really sweet logo that a marketing/PR department made for a talk we're going to have at a library.
[18:43] <h00k> http://i.imgur.com/oupPj.jpg
[20:09] <Rafig> Hi all!
[20:10] <Rafig> how to complain to Canonical?
[20:10] <Rafig> help plz
[20:11] <LjL> Rafig: state your issue instead of asking such a generic question (and a wrong one since you most likely *don't* want to complain to *Canonical*)
[20:13] <Rafig> I want to complain about the moderators in my community.
[20:14] <paultag> yeah, that's not canonical
[20:14] <paultag> !loco-council
[20:14] <ubot4`> Factoid 'loco-council' not found
[20:14] <paultag> !lococouncil
[20:14] <ubot4`> lococouncil is The Loco Council is itnet7, czajkowski, paultag, huats, leogg, popey - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at loco-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[20:14] <paultag> oh ffs
[20:15] <paultag> czajkowski: fix that willya!? :)
[20:15] <huats> :)
[20:15] <paultag> Rafig: email loco-council@lists.ubuntu.com with your complaint
[20:15] <huats> paultag: I was about to say it
[20:15] <paultag> Rafig: for file a bug against http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-locoteams
[20:15]  * paultag hugs huats 
[20:15] <paultag> Rafig: not canonical, since canonical's not involved with this
[20:16]  * huats hugs paultag back !
[20:16] <paultag> huats: what's new?
[20:16] <huats> I am moving on friday
[20:16] <Rafig> and who is involved with this?
[20:16] <huats> and noone to help me :)
[20:17] <huats> what about you ?
[20:17] <paultag> 20:15 < paultag> Rafig: email loco-council@lists.ubuntu.com with your complaint
[20:17] <huats> I have seen about your new job :)
[20:17] <paultag> Rafig: the ubuntu loco council
[20:17] <paultag> huats: I'm stoked!! It's so great
[20:17] <paultag> huats: I'm about to move too :)
[20:17] <huats> Rafig which community is this ?
[20:17] <huats> paultag: hehe :)
[20:17] <paultag> huats: Where are you moving to?
[20:17] <huats> paultag: same place but in another part of the town
[20:18] <huats> still Toulouse :)
[20:18] <paultag> huats: oh, awesome
[20:18] <huats> the greatest rugby team (ask czajkowski :))
[20:18] <huats> what about you ?
[20:18] <paultag> hehehe :)
[20:18] <mhall119> paultag: they'll never let you out
[20:18] <Pici> Rafig: who is involved with what?
[20:18] <paultag> huats: same place (boston), but downtown
[20:18] <paultag> mhall119: totally
[20:18] <paultag> mhall119: I'm working on making a revamped API for our little lens project here
[20:19] <huats> ok
[20:19] <huats> great
[20:19] <Rafig> me was told that Canonical have address for complaints
[20:19] <paultag> totally :)
[20:19] <mhall119> paultag: cool
[20:19] <paultag> Rafig: you don't want canonical if you have a locoteam complaint
[20:19] <huats> Rafig: which community is this ?
[20:19] <paultag> it's not canonical's place to govern that set of the community
[20:20] <Rafig> confedicial information
[20:20] <huats> ok
[20:20] <paultag> Rafig: email loco-council
[20:20] <paultag> 20:17 < paultag> 20:15 < paultag> Rafig: email loco-council@lists.ubuntu.com with your complaint
[20:20] <huats> then I think I can't helpyou to find out who to ask for help
[20:30] <Rafig> i Sorry confidential information
[20:30] <Rafig> I would like to speak with the boss
[20:36] <mhall119> the boss of what?
[20:36] <mhall119> canonical does not run the community
[20:37] <mhall119> if it's a local community, 'the boss' is the loco-council
[20:37] <mhall119> if it's any other community, 'the boss' is the community council
[20:43] <Rafig> and adress of bosses of Canonical please
[20:44] <mhall119> Rafig: is this about the company itself or an employee of the company?
[20:44] <Rafig> and adress of bosses of Canonical please
[20:44] <mhall119> I'm sorry, I can't give you that
[20:44] <Rafig> about company
[20:44] <Rafig> please
[20:44] <mhall119> but I am an employee and I would be more than happy to help you in any way I can
[20:45] <Rafig> u can what?
[20:45] <mhall119> in any way that I can help
[20:45] <Rafig> u know adress plz?
[20:46] <mhall119> I know lots of addresses, if you can tell me a bit about the problem I will know which one to give you
[20:46] <mhall119> feel free to PM me if you want
[20:47] <Rafig> I just wanted them to put things in order in my community.
[20:48] <mhall119> can you tell me which community that is?
[20:48] <Rafig> Moderators delete comments and punish us for nothing. :(
[20:48] <Rafig> russian
[20:48] <mhall119> on forums?
[20:49] <Rafig> yes
[20:49] <mhall119> ok, I'm going to tell you what other have already told you, Canonical the company has no authority over the local community teams
[20:49] <mhall119> the loco-council has the authority to put things in order for your community
[20:50] <mhall119> an email to loco-council@lists.ubuntu.com will be kept private between you and them, and they will be able to help you
[20:50] <Rafig> they say you broke the number of N nad punish , but we did not break.
[20:50] <mhall119> unfortunately I'm not on the loco-council, so I can't directly help you
[20:51] <mhall119> but once again, if you send an email to that address, they will contact the  moderators and correct the situation
[20:52] <Rafig> A friend said, they can do nothing. And he said to write in a special address to Canonical.
[20:53] <mhall119> your friend was mistaken, they will be able to help
[20:54] <huats> Rafig: I am sorry but there is no special address in canonical in that case
[20:54] <Pici> (fyi: we've been through all this in #ubuntu-ops)
[20:54] <Rafig> Russian community uses copyright of Canonical. Canonical will be able to put pressure on them and fix it.
[20:54] <huats> you should write to the loco council
[20:54] <czajkowski> paultag: 'we've asked nobody seems able to fix it 
[20:55] <Rafig> A friend has passed through it. He all know.
[20:55] <huats> the loco council has the delegation to approuved or no a team (like the russian one)
[20:55] <czajkowski> whats up folks
[20:55]  * czajkowski is on the loco council 
[20:55] <huats> czajkowski: how are you ?
[20:55] <czajkowski> huats: MUNSTER is the onlly rugby team! 
[20:55] <huats> we'll see that in semifinal may be :)
[20:57] <czajkowski> Rafig: Can I be of any help?
[20:58] <Rafig> You do not know. This arrogant bad people.
[20:58] <czajkowski> Rafig: eh I'm on the loco council so if its a locoteam issue I am the person to talk to 
[20:59] <mhall119> Rafig: Canonical doesn't use its trademark against local teams, they give that authority to the loco-council
[20:59] <Rafig> They spit on loco-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[20:59] <Rafig> undestand?
[21:00] <czajkowski> Rafig: how about you start from the top and explain and I'll see what i can do 
[21:00] <czajkowski> hows that 
[21:02] <Rafig> You could not help sorry
[21:02] <Rafig> Canonical can only
[21:02] <mhall119> Rafig: I don't know who told you that, but it's simply not true
[21:03] <Rafig> and only because of copyright
[21:03] <czajkowski> Rafig: if its regarding locoteams them I'm afraid you're wrong, it;s the loco council who deal with any issues there and if we cannot then it gets escalated to the CC 
[21:03] <czajkowski> Rafig: but unless you actually tell me the issues we're going around in circles 
[21:03] <czajkowski> so either tell me here or email me please 
[21:04] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil
[21:04] <mhall119> Rafig: please let czajkowski and the loco-council help you
[21:06] <Rafig> What they can do to Russian community? Russian Community no subject, no one, controlled now it. Do you understand?
[21:06] <Rafig> there anarchy. they are themselves.
[21:07] <paultag> czajkowski: wtf :)
[21:08] <czajkowski> paultag: eh?
[21:08] <czajkowski> Rafig: look unless you email us there really is nothing more we can do 
[21:09] <Rafig> I will write to Canonical. Let them take away these scoundrels logos and copyrights.
[21:09] <czajkowski> *sigh(
[21:09] <LjL> Rafig: and you will receive a reply that says "It's not our business, write to the LoCo Council".
[21:09] <LjL> and you will have wasted your time and their time.
[21:10] <Rafig> you can not do anything, you are not holders  of copirights
[21:10] <czajkowski> Rafig: what exactly needs explaining re copyright ?
[21:10] <czajkowski> do you need permission to use something 
[21:10] <czajkowski> or has someone used it and you want to see if its ok?
[21:11] <Rafig> You are not lawyers and do not understand what I mean
[21:11] <czajkowski> Rafig: you wont explain what you are talking about
[21:11] <czajkowski> we're trying to help you
[21:12] <Rafig> Canonical may prohibit the use of their copyrights
[21:12] <czajkowski> Rafig: for example this could be of some use to you http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[21:12] <Rafig> to prohibit any community
[21:12] <popey> Rafig: Canonical are quite relaxed about the way people use the Ubuntu logo.
[21:13] <popey> Rafig: if you have a community issue then I'd strongly recommend you talk to the loco council or the community council
[21:13] <popey> Rafig: I suspect there is a language barrier here, some misunderstanding perhaps?
[21:14] <czajkowski> Rafig: also http://www.canonical.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy  could be of some use 
[21:14] <czajkowski> again if you could explain what the issues is I will try to help
[21:14] <Rafig> can only affect so to they 
[21:15] <Rafig> i unddestand u
[21:15] <Rafig> np
[21:16] <paultag> 20:54 < czajkowski> paultag: 'we've asked nobody seems able to fix it 
[21:16] <paultag> czajkowski: also, we've got complaints about .ru before
[21:16] <Rafig> you simply do not understand why Russian community must obey?
[21:16] <paultag> czajkowski: remember the whole racism/sexism fourms thing?
[21:16] <popey> Rafig: obey what?
[21:16] <paultag> popey: the law, duh
[21:17] <czajkowski> paultag: aye and factoid is now fixed :D 
[21:17] <popey> Rafig: what rules do you think have been broken?
[21:17] <paultag> popey: also, hi! :)
[21:17] <popey> paultag: not helpful
[21:17] <Rafig> they do not obey anyone, and do not listen
[21:17] <paultag> czajkowski: wooo, thanks :)
[21:17] <paultag> popey: I'm joking, no need to get snippy
[21:17] <czajkowski> paultag: Pici and myrtti worked their voodo
[21:17] <paultag> czajkowski: rockn'
[21:18] <Rafig> thanks u friends!
[21:18] <Rafig> I will fight on for freedom!
[21:18] <paultag> :P
[21:19] <czajkowski> ok
[21:19] <Rafig> and write to Canonical
[21:19] <czajkowski> well Rafig if we can help please do contact the loco council as they look after loco teams
[21:20] <Rafig> autotranslate is bad translate :(
[21:20] <Rafig> but i un
[21:20] <popey> +1
[21:20] <czajkowski> indeed
[21:20] <Rafig> d
[21:20] <Rafig> thanks
[21:20] <Rafig> bb all!
[21:29] <JanC> I'm sure we can fine some "trusted people" who know Russian if that's needed...
[21:33] <mhall119> never should have let paultag off the council
[21:33] <mhall119> he's enjoying it being not his responsibility a little too much
[21:33] <pleia2> hehe
[21:41] <paultag> mhall119: :D
[21:41] <paultag> mhall119: I sure am
[21:41] <paultag> it's great
[21:43] <czajkowski> *mutters*
[21:43]  * czajkowski waves her wodden stick 
[21:43] <paultag> the Shillelagh of death
[21:44] <czajkowski> indeed
[22:14] <h00k> I just read the backlog after sending Rafig here
[23:14] <paultag> h00k: why did you tell him he should go to canonical?
[23:15] <h00k> paultag: :p I didn't, silly.
[23:15] <paultag> good :)
[23:15] <h00k> I thought I'd mitigate that misnomer he had by sending him here
[23:15] <paultag> h00k: czajkowski gave him the trademarks line, so perhaps he went off that way
[23:16] <paultag> so I think he just bailed on the idea of loco-council
[23:16] <h00k> paultag: perahps, yeah.
[23:16] <pleia2> paultag: have a moment for a PM?
[23:17] <paultag> pleia2: sure thing