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| toabctl | is there a command line tool to compare package versions in debian and ubuntu? | 07:21 |
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| tumbleweed | rmadison can tell you the versions in both | 07:25 |
| tumbleweed | what sort of differences are you looking for? | 07:25 |
| toabctl | tumbleweed, i want to compare package versions. | 07:26 |
| tumbleweed | toabctl: across the entire archive? | 07:26 |
| toabctl | tumbleweed, no. just for a given source package | 07:43 |
| tumbleweed | rmadison is probably sufficient then | 07:43 |
| toabctl | tumbleweed, maybe i should use requestsync | 07:43 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:52 |
| ajmitch | hi | 07:56 |
| toabctl | hi dholbach | 08:08 |
| dholbach | hey toabctl | 08:09 |
| * philipballew highfives dholbach | 08:13 | |
| dholbach | hey philipballew :) | 08:13 |
| philipballew | hey dholbach how goes the morning? | 08:13 |
| dholbach | good good - how about you? :) | 08:14 |
| philipballew | not bad. just got back from scale, gave a talk there. lots of canonical people there and a good ubuntu presence | 08:15 |
| philipballew | but now its late and college work takes my time. its overrated :) | 08:18 |
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| Adri2000 | hi | 09:04 |
| dholbach | hey Adri2000 | 09:05 |
| Adri2000 | how long are we going to support universe/multiverse in precise? 3 years? | 09:05 |
| tumbleweed | it's best-effort | 09:06 |
| tumbleweed | the community supports whatever it wants to, really | 09:06 |
| Adri2000 | right | 09:10 |
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| dholbach | hey Laney - do you know if there was some discussion about format of the -changes mails after the addition of the sponsored attribute? | 09:22 |
| Laney | dholbach: no, but it comes up in Signed-By — is that not right? | 09:55 |
| dholbach | so if A does a change in Debian, B asks for a sync and C sponsors it, what will be in Changed-By and Signed-By? | 09:59 |
| Laney | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2012-January/007904.html | 10:02 |
| Laney | From: is the person being sponsored | 10:02 |
| Laney | Signed-By: is the sponsor | 10:02 |
| dholbach | and for an auto-sync from Debian? | 10:02 |
| Laney | Changed-By: is the person who did the original change | 10:02 |
| Laney | they don't get mailed | 10:03 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 10:03 |
| dholbach | great, thanks | 10:03 |
| Laney | but you should be using our cool UDD table instead of the mailing lists :P | 10:03 |
| dholbach | how can I use it? :) | 10:05 |
| Laney | it's imported into ubuntuwire | 10:11 |
| Laney | so you can query it there to do whatever you need, or get an official mirror setup | 10:12 |
| dholbach | ok, let me have a look :) | 10:14 |
| Laney | we don't keep the Debian creator though | 10:19 |
| * dholbach nods | 10:20 | |
| dholbach | Laney, I guess I would need access to the machine to toy around with the database and try to write my own script? | 10:26 |
| Laney | it's pretty easy to set up a local UDD instance | 10:26 |
| Laney | but ajmitch can get you access to the ubuntuwire machine if you ask nicely :-) | 10:27 |
| dholbach | ah I guess it's http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase/CreateLocalReplica | 10:28 |
| Laney | yep | 10:29 |
| dholbach | alright, I'll let you know what I find in the next days :) | 10:29 |
| dholbach | Laney, so the fix is in LP and everything's nice and dandy now? | 10:29 |
| Laney | or if you have an alioth account then you can access it from wagner | 10:29 |
| Laney | seems to work afaics | 10:29 |
| dholbach | sweet | 10:30 |
| dholbach | great work | 10:30 |
| ajmitch | Laney: what's up? | 10:33 |
| Laney | ajmitch: dholbach might be looking for an account on skylone to do some udd stuff | 10:34 |
| dholbach | let me toy around with the local dump first and see how far I get :) | 10:34 |
| Laney | ack | 10:34 |
| ajmitch | ok | 10:34 |
| dholbach | if I can put up some nice stuff on ubuntuwire I'll ping you again | 10:34 |
| dholbach | thanks again :) | 10:34 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: ping me when you have something to play with | 10:34 |
| dholbach | will do :) | 10:35 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: actually just try & log in to syklone.ubuntuwire.org, I added an account with your ssh key from LP | 10:38 |
| dholbach | WOW | 10:38 |
| Laney | customer service! | 10:39 |
| ajmitch | easier than waiting ~12 hours for me to be awake again :) | 10:39 |
| dholbach | I can't guarantee that I will have some ready to play with in ~12 hours though ;-) | 10:39 |
| ajmitch | doesn't matter, you can do what you need when you're ready now | 10:40 |
| dholbach | thanks muchly | 10:40 |
| ajmitch | 'psql service=udd' should get you the udd data, if the cron job has been working properly it should only be a couple of days old | 10:41 |
| dholbach | sweet | 10:41 |
| dholbach | ajmitch, do you know how often it is updated? | 10:42 |
| ajmitch | weekly | 10:42 |
| ajmitch | last update was sunday | 10:43 |
| dholbach | fantastico | 10:43 |
| ajmitch | thank tumbleweed for poking me about it :) | 10:43 |
| Laney | the UDD import? | 10:44 |
| ajmitch | at least the cron job to resync it | 10:44 |
| ajmitch | I know you asked a few times about it as well :P | 10:44 |
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| Laney | just didn't know how often you were running it | 10:46 |
| ajmitch | afaik the source data is only dumped every few days | 10:46 |
| dholbach | ajmitch, for udd.sql.gz, I get this: | 10:51 |
| dholbach | In [14]: conn.headers.dict["last-modified"] | 10:51 |
| dholbach | Out[14]: 'Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:09:33 GMT' | 10:51 |
| Laney | http://udd.debian.org/crontabs.txt | 10:52 |
| Laney | 0 8 */2 * * /org/udd.debian.org/udd/scripts/dump-db.sh | 10:52 |
| dholbach | maybe that'd be a good way to update it more regularly? save last-updated and check last-modified | 10:52 |
| dholbach | ok, ignore me :) | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | it's a possibility, do you need more frequent updates? | 10:53 |
| dholbach | no, I just thought that it'd be good to automate it if it was done manually up until now and nobody knew when it was updated on udd.d.o | 10:54 |
| dholbach | but Laney answered that question :) | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | it's a weekly cron job on syklone, I can adjust that | 10:54 |
| * dholbach nods | 10:55 | |
| dholbach | great :) | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | not a manual reload, that'd be annoying | 10:55 |
| dholbach | yeah :) | 10:56 |
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| MTecknology | This is interesting... Apparently the binary and debug packages built, but the common files and docs package didn't build... http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=nginx&searchon=names&suite=precise§ion=all | 16:58 |
| MTecknology | Any ideas what's going on there? | 16:58 |
| MTecknology | Someone filed it as bug 920110 - not sure what I can do about it | 16:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 920110 in nginx (Ubuntu) "nginx-common precise needs packaging or -depends on nginx-*" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/920110 | 16:59 |
| Ampelbein | MTecknology: bug 915257, but I'm not sure why that happened. | 17:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 915257 in nginx (Ubuntu) "FTBFS nginx 1.1.12-1 in ubuntu precise except amd64" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/915257 | 17:03 |
| Ampelbein | MTecknology: The arch-all packages are built on i386 only so 920110 is fallout from this failure. | 17:04 |
| MTecknology | Ampelbein: so when that's fixed, both of those bugs should be resolved? | 17:05 |
| Ampelbein | MTecknology: Yeah. | 17:06 |
| MTecknology | Ampelbein: thanks! Any bug link for that issue? | 17:06 |
| Ampelbein | See above, the 915257, but like I said I don't know WHY that happened. | 17:06 |
| MTecknology | ooh- i thought you meant there was some general known error | 17:07 |
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| Rhonda | great, wesnoth-1.10 is in debian unstable :) | 18:10 |
| Zhenech | Rhonda, hint hint, while syncing wesnoth, please also sync pokerth 0.9.1-1 :) | 18:13 |
| Rhonda | nope | 18:13 |
| Rhonda | Will sync pokerth right now. Can't sync wesnoth-1.10 yet (read: am too lazy to write the text myself and requestsync doesn't like to pick it up yet) | 18:14 |
| Rhonda | Zhenech: Sync request filed as bug #921118: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/921118 | 18:15 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 921118 in pokerth (Ubuntu) "Sync pokerth 0.9.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 18:15 |
| Zhenech | *hug* thanks | 18:15 |
| Rhonda | hmmm | 18:15 |
| Rhonda | requestsync tells me to use syncpackage instead … | 18:15 |
| Rhonda | where does requestsync/syncpackage check for the package? rmadison? | 18:51 |
| tumbleweed | Rhonda: launchpad and rmadison | 19:08 |
| Rhonda | then I need to wait for udd to pick up the upload … | 19:09 |
| tumbleweed | Rhonda: which pkg? | 19:11 |
| Rhonda | wesnoth-1.10. Like said, I am lazy to write the bugreport myself if there is a tool doing all the boring job for me :) | 19:16 |
| tumbleweed | Rhonda: when you see it here, you can sync: https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/wesnoth-1.10 | 19:16 |
| Rhonda | ah, good to know | 19:17 |
| tumbleweed | no need for bugs any more: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2012-January/000923.html | 19:17 |
| Rhonda | oh, nice. Guess I should grab that new ubuntu-dev-tools then | 19:19 |
| tumbleweed | if requestsync is telling you to use syncpackage, it's already new enough | 19:20 |
| tumbleweed | (but a newer version can sponsor syncs) | 19:20 |
| Rhonda | ah, don't need that part, thanks for the clearification | 19:24 |
| * Rhonda . o O ( and I really should read more mails … ) | 19:25 | |
| tumbleweed | oh right, there's also the blacklisting bug that laney mentioned | 19:25 |
| tumbleweed | that hits some packages | 19:25 |
| Rhonda | shall I request blacklist for wesnoth-1.11 right ahead? | 19:27 |
| Rhonda | … speaking of ;) | 19:28 |
| technomancy | does the build environment for PPAs allow you to pull in dependencies through systems other than apt? say using bundler for ruby gems? | 19:28 |
| technomancy | I know this is not allowed for official Debian packages, but it's not clear whether the same rules apply for PPAs | 19:28 |
| tumbleweed | heh, no the bug here is that lp decides to blacklist some versions of some packages by itself. So we now ignore those | 19:28 |
| ajmitch | technomancy: no, it's not possible, the ppa buildds also have no network access | 19:29 |
| technomancy | ajmitch: ok, thanks. | 19:29 |
| technomancy | so basically you can't use a PPA for something that doesn't already have all its dependencies in apt? | 19:29 |
| ajmitch | if you need it at build time, it needs to be in a package, or in the source you upload | 19:30 |
| ScottK | Yes. This is a feature, not a bug. | 19:30 |
| technomancy | sure, it just means PPAs are not intended for what I have in mind. that's fine. | 19:31 |
| alkisg | Hi, I'm confused by this: $ apt-cache show mahara | grep ^Section | 20:26 |
| alkisg | Section: universe/web | 20:26 |
| alkisg | If I do put "universe/web" in my package's debian/control though, lintian complains about it being an unknown section. | 20:26 |
| alkisg | What's the correct section to use in debian/control? Just "web", without "universe", right? | 20:26 |
| tumbleweed | just web | 20:26 |
| alkisg | Thank you | 20:27 |
| tumbleweed | all new packages go into universe | 20:27 |
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